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Too much Green Drank (or, Why this time might really be different for Michigan State Football) Part I*

[Bama Hawk - Promoted because it fits my theory of the moment: This could be a special season for Sparty.]

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Let's look back in time. Way back, keep coming with me. Here we are: November 29, 1999.

A little more than a week prior, MSU had defeated PSU to finish the regular season 9-2 (6-2 Big Ten). There's talk that MSU might be selected for one of the BCS bowls. For the first time since the land grant trophy was created in 1993, MSU is in possession of all four of its rivalry trophies. Coach Saban is 2-3 against UM, 2-3 against PSU, 3-0 against ND and 2-1 against OSU during his tenure. If you give a coach 5 years to get his players and put his system in place good things can happen. Sure it's been 9 years since MSU's last Big Ten title, but finishing second shows some promise for the future. MSU is poised to make some noise in the conference and on the national stage as the new century dawns.

On November 30, 1999, Nick Saban announces that he is leaving Michigan State University for the head coaching position at LSU.

Star-divide

Lets start with some facts for some perspective and to establish what MSU has been, is now, and can be.

On November 29, 1999  MSU has:

A winning record against every other Big Ten team except for Michigan, OSU and (inexplicably) Iowa. MSU's record against Iowa is 15-16-2.

Only finished in last place in the Big Ten once, in 1958. They have finished in 9th place twice and never lost every game in a Big Ten season (1958: 0-5-1)

6 Big Ten titles in their 46 seasons of conference play. This is more than Wisconsin, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana have won over the same time frame. Iowa also has 6 Big Ten titles over this period (They didn't call it "the Big 2 and Little 8" for nothing).

I don't point this out to rehash old history or to show how much "better" MSU is than the other schools in the Big Ten not named UM or OSU. I include these facts to show that MSU was rarely the best nor rarely the worst team in the conference. Most years MSU would plug along achieving respectability, finishing anywhere from 3rd to 6th or 7th. MSU won at least one Big ten title in every decade it was in the conference. MSU was what Iowa, Wisconsin and PSU are now.

On December 6, 1999 (after Glen Mason, Tyrone Willingham and Steve Mariucci allegedly turn down the job) Michigan State University announces that it has promoted Bobby Williams from Running Backs Coach to Head Coach. Bobby Williams has never served as a Head Coach for any team at any level of football.

I'm sure I don't need to review the decade of 2000-09 because The Rivalry, Esq. did it for me here: MSU in the Aughts. What this excellent review fails to note is that 2000-09 is the first decade since 1920-29 (?!) that MSU has had more losing seasons than winning seasons. (2 winning seasons 8 losing 1920-29/4-6 2000-09). What this means basically, is that when the internets blew up, along with the rise of the 24-7 sports news cycle, the proliferation of bowls (how else to explain MSU making a bowl in 5 seasons in the decade) and more importantly blogs, MSU had its worst decade of football in 80 years. Sparty, No! meme anyone?

It's now 1:30 in the morning and I am flying to NYC in a few hours for a wedding, then on to Maryland on Monday for an interview next week, so I will stop here.

Part II will provide a short history of MSU coaches, how we got here and where Mark Dantonio fits in with them.

In Part III I'll (finally) explain why this time may be different.

I am thankful to the College Football Data Warehouse for augmenting my memory. In addition, "The Spartan Sports Encyclopedia "  by Jack Siebold is one of the best presents I've ever received and invaluable toward learning about MSU sports history. I highly recommend it.

* Of course MSU could lose at home to Illinois by 20 this weekend in a come from ahead loss, thereby destroying the entire premise of this and any related posts.

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So....

What have you done for me lately?

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by mikjones24 on Oct 15, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The point is

MSU is not historically bad, they’re just recently bad.

Es gibt keine Freude wie Schadenfreude

by Seer on Oct 15, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh you tease.

Waiting to see parts II and III.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 15, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately for Michigan State

AFTER the upset of 3rd ranked UM, the Spartans then suffered a 52-28 blowout at the hands of the Boilermakers.

Fake Adam Weber after a 41-23 loss to Wisconsin made him 0-4 against the Badgers in his career: "I don't even want to play football anymore."
No longer using Yahoo! Sports for anything besides stat checking since 9/29/2010...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 15, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I like the team

But I hate the uniforms. Trrbl, just trrbl…

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by Ted Glover on Oct 15, 2010 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Join the club

The road ones are particularly awful.

Little-known secret: Mike Martin was able to be successfully blocked by the MSU offensive line because he was trying to figure out why the heck MSU added a little gold notch in the upper right corner of the number on the front. I mean, what the eff? Why is that little notch there, on the number, it looks like it’s color is…is it? Really? Is it…gold? Why gold? That doesn’t make any sense. What are they, Notre Dame?….oops, Baker just scored a touchdown."

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 15, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s Spartan Bronze :)

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by tailgateandcover on Oct 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yet while nobody has attributed the ascension of Sparty to the ugly new digs

it could be that change that has allowed them to be reborn as a competent squad…yes, highly scientific analysis there.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Oct 15, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm buying it.

Let me call the doctors at UIHC to confirm.

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by mikjones24 on Oct 15, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's just as scientific ...

….as saying “MSU has learned how to win”.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 15, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The home ones have grown on me

but the road ones are not good and there’s apparently some issue with sunlight or cameras that makes them look grey/brown. (In fairness, Michigan’s uniforms looked a little purplish as well, so I wonder if it was the cameras)

Es gibt keine Freude wie Schadenfreude

by Seer on Oct 15, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or your TV?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Oct 15, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

Go watch any youtube video of the Michigan game, and you can see that the jerseys appear off color on ESPN, but normal in the pictures that were taken.

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by Seer on Oct 15, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, they aren't black

Hmmm, okay. They still suck, though.

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by Ted Glover on Oct 15, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually like

the new Uni’s. Especially the Helmets.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Oct 15, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That could be an arguably cogent response

to any issue plaguing contemporary America.

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by SubLime on Oct 15, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan, Louisiana and Flordia probably

Not sure how much they care about the Dolphins, but maybe his beatings he put on UF would be enough to make that a winning platform.

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by Seer on Oct 15, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only for certain counties

of course that would make it a sure way to become a senator or congressman.

by Pariahwulfen on Oct 15, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

52-28 says it all...

Fake Adam Weber after a 41-23 loss to Wisconsin made him 0-4 against the Badgers in his career: "I don't even want to play football anymore."
I was fined $15,000 by David Stern for complaining about the officiating...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 15, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

My first bump.

My parents will be soooo proud!

by MSULaxer27 on Oct 15, 2010 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

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