Graham's Week 8 Notes: Is Michigan State's Dream Season Ending Soon?
by Graham Filler on Oct 25, 2010 6:00 AM CDT
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Hey Ma, top of the world...Whoops, nevermind again. Oklahoma's toppling sends further shockwaves through anyone who doesn't want to see Boise State or TCU in the MNC.The Spartans of East Lansing got their ass saved by a rocket armed QB, but it's going to take a more complete effort than that to survive a pissed off Iowa team/crowd/state. The other Big Ten games followed predictable scripts, but I will save time for special discussion of Bob Stoops and what I consider *some of the worst end-game coaching I've seen this year.
*Les Miles, king of curious late coaching calls, doesn't have a challenger to this ignominious throne, but Stoops did a couple of ridiculous things nonetheless.
- Just a thought: MSU's #5 ranking and undefeated season has been courtesy of two deep passes on fakes. The reason that Dantonio isn't being called a calmer version of Les Miles? A) The fakes are working and b) the plays are obviously practiced numerous times in practice and executed calmly.
- The Spartan O-Line is having a tough go of it with running up the middle lately. Both Illinois and Northwestern got enough penetration to force the Spartans to rely on Cousins. 105 yards rushing won't get it done against a better opponent.
- But you know what will get it done? Kirk Cousins laser rocketing passes into perfect spots. Here are his 2nd half stats: 16-23, 199 yards, two TD's. He was putting the ball on the money and his receivers were making great clutch catches.
- Here's an interesting parallel: Remember a Big Ten team last year that was surviving by the skin of its teeth, winning games they shouldn't have, propelling themselves to a Top 5 national ranking and making people talk about "dream seasons" and the like? Is 2010 Michigan State actually just a green and white version of 2009 Iowa?
- The big question for ANOTHER huge Iowa home game next week: Will the Hawkeyes fold, knowing their BCS dreams are dashed...or will they angrily take out their frustrations on the Spartans? I think Iowa will be favored against MSU, damn the records and MSU's lofty ranking.
- And how about Iowa v. Wisky? Was that the Big Ten game of the year so far? Iowa had some problems with pass protection late, which should cause flashbacks to the Arizona loss.
- PSU did stop the Internets from falling apart. Hell, PSU losing to this Minnesota team would be about as damaging to a fanbase as say, Texas losing to Iowa State. My favorite "text from last night" from Burnt Orange Nation's brilliant post-loss piece: (512) I should have gone to baylor, better senior season.
- I watched Illinois smash Indiana today via my DVR and learned a couple of things. 1) Remember all those 4/5 star recruits that Zook pulled from everywhere and then seemingly squandered? They're all playing and playing well. Terry Hawthorne, 4 star athlete? Playing solidly at CB, lit up an Indiana WR on a heads up play. Martez Wilson, 5 star super LB? Going to make the All-Big Ten team easily. Nathan Scheelhaase, 4 star QB? Fitting nicely into the offense, scrambling effectively. Corey Liuget, 4 star Florida DE? Also playing at an All-Big Ten team level, dominating inside and demanding double teams.
- Random thoughts....Cam Newton is a monsta, but Alabama is going to be favored against Auburn in the Iron Bowl...The MSU-NW announcers mentioned that the strong Evanston wind wasn't affecting Cousins throws; that's impressive...Big shout out to Spartan WR Keith Nichol, the Lowell (MI) product whose move to WR is finally showing results in the form of a couple huge catches in traffic...Dan Persa ran the ball 22 times, but actually was sacked 8 times, skewing the statistics a bit...Oregon's high powered offense is music to my DVR's words; I don't even have to hit fast-forward to get to the next play because they're already lined up...
- And finally, my riff on the horrendous coaching by Bob Stoops. Oklahoma was in a fight for their lives against Mizzou, but finally battled to within a score with 6 minutes left...or so I thought. You see the score was 36-21 and Oklahoma scored to make it 36-27. With six minutes to go and Mizzou's offense running at a good clip, the assumption is that you'll get one more drive to tie the game. Kick the extra point and make it a one possession game. ABSOLUTELY INEXPLICABLY, Stoops decided to go for two, which of course the Sooner failed to convert. The margin remained 9 points, a two possession game, and my mind was blown. Although I do understand that eventually Oklahoma would have to go for two, putting your team in position to tie the game is paramount. Stoops failed to do that. Les Miles was watching this game somewhere, grinning like a proud father.
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Although the failed two-point conversion was an awful playcall that gave all the momentum back to Mizzou, that wasn’t even the weirdest decision Stoops made that night. Later on in the game, with about two minutes left 0U is down nine, fourth down coming up, no timeouts left.
Stoops punts.
Here I thought 0U only waved the white flag in BCS games.
Slightly off topic...
When you abbreviate Oklahoma as “Zero U” [0U, vice OU]…is that deliberate?
I thought the last minute trickeration play by Oklahoma was stupid and pointless too. Got the ball back, down nine, two seconds left…just take a knee. There’s no way you’re running a play dramatic and exciting enough to have the Big 12 rule that it was worth nine points.
The only other possible outcome was that one of your key players could get hurt trying to block during all the lateraling shenanigans.
Quite deliberate. I consider Oregon OU, because they have an “O” on their helmets. Meanwhile, Oklahoma has a 0 and a U on their helmets. Thus, ZeroU.
by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 25, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it strange too
He was more concerned about how the final score would look rather than having a chance to still win the game.
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yup
I ran out of energy at the end of this article…and that was the last thought that didn’t make it.
Bob Stoops told us about his mentality with that call – “We want to win and we’re willing to give 78% effort”
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by Graham Filler on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
You're all praying for rain on MSU's parade
It’s obvious that the rest of the Big 10 is hoping MSU goes into freefall and a return to the “Sparty, no!” days. JLS is gone, and Dantonio has this team on the right track for continued success. While we may not win out, this team is for real and you’re all just gonna have to deal with it.
As for the 2nd half in Evanston…..the wind was blowing harder than you could tell on TV. On one of MSU’s kickoffs into the wind, a gust hit the ball at it’s apex in air, and the ball came straight down, almost going backwards. Cousins was really rocketing the pill on some of his throws in the 4th Q.
Go Green!
I'm not rooting against you guys.
I want you to validate what happened in the Big Ten opener.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Not directed at you O’Brien- you’re definitely not a hater.
But, you do have reason to root against State, as Bucky could conceivably pass us with a loss.
You know though
at this point, both of my teams have lost to MSU. One in icky fashion and one in heartbreaking fashion. I still don’t hate Sparty. If I want them to lose, it’s because of self-interest on my part for the Badgers. But that doesn’t mean I’m like hating on them. There’s sort of a difference.
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I'd much rather
have Wisconsin earn its way in than MSU lose its way out, if you catch my drift.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I def. AM rooting against Sparty
hope you lose everygame from here on out for the record
More frequently than an alcoholic diabetic, Ohio State pisses excellence, week in and week out
31-18
You deserve it, just like Shugarts deserves to start in front of EPIC FAIL.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would have done the exact same thing as Stoops
You’re down 15 with 6 left. You need 2 TDs, an EP and a 2 for OT. So when you score, you may as well try the 2 first. That way you know whether you need to score twice, and thus need to try an onside kick, or whether it’s a one possession game where you can play defense and try and score on last possession. If you play to be down 8, then you don’t know whether to try and leave time on the clock because you don’t know if the 2 will be good. There’s a good chance you score with seconds left, but then lose because the 2 is no good.
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by Seer on Oct 25, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I still
don’t like the Baker TD run. If not for Eric Gordon, NU would have likely driven the field for the win. You cannot, cannot, CANNOT give the other team a chance to tie it up. Especially not an offense like Northwestern’s.
Then Persa dropped it off to Gordon (who I REALLY think should be on the Clippers) and the game ended shortly thereafter.
But it could have been a heck of a lot less panic-inducing.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
-1
Disagree. Sure, the intention was to run the clock out, but that would have to be about the worst karma ever to take a knee on the 1 yard line with an open endzone in front of you. The next snap would have ricocheted off Cousin’s knee to a NW LB in the endzone, and somehow the ball gets lateraled to a DB for six points, reminding us that you should always score unless you want to be endlessly mocked as a flag football team.
If we can’t win up 8 with less than a minute left..well..I won’t say that meme.
Plus I had money on the game and we covered the spread, so, my true reason comes out…
No.
no no no. You run the victory formation because at that point, isn’t NU out of timeouts?
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
you are exactly right
NU was out of timeouts. You find a nice piece of grass and lay down. Game over.
If you’re playing to beat the spread, and not win the game, there are probably some gentlemen in suits from Washington DC who would like to talk to you.
Right now I’m hearing Herm Edwards.. “You play to win the game!”
I guess I’m just being irrational. What you are all saying makes total sense, it is strategically the correct thing to do. But, I’ll be disappointed if any team I root for ever takes a knee on the one. Minus style points. I play for style points, and the spread, not to win the game.
(joking)
PS I also hope that my team isn’t playing for the spread…
You don't play to just play it!
It had to be done…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 27, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree somewhat on Baker....
….although it’s hard to tell a RB to take a knee when he’s been battling for tough yards all year and there’s an endzone in front of him.
When Gordon picked off that pass, I wanted to hit him with a tranq dart to get him on the ground before he fumbled.
You're probably right.
But this is college football, not the pros. Emotion plays much more of a factor.
NU couldn’t have driven the field for the win. Down 8, the best they could have done was tied and sent the game to overtime, and that would have required a successful 65-yard drive and a successful 2-point conversion.
MSU’s defense had just stopped NU on a (as it turns out, penultimate) desperation drive, so the MSU D was getting it done at that point.
I hated the TD run at the time, but as it turns out, it didn’t make any difference. And I agree with Spartan D, it’d be near impossible to tell Baker to fall on the ground when he’s clear to the end zone.
Consider the alternative — what if Baker had run up to the one yard line, stopped, and taken a knee? Wouldn’t it be considered a douchey, rub-it-in, slap-in-the-face move by that smug jerk Dantonio?
I think the alternative
might be better. At least there’s no chance for NU to get their offense back on the field.
Brian Westbrook needs to take Baker aside and tell him WHY he can’t do that again. If that sort of thing had ended up costing MSU, you’d be crucifying him.
Let’s look at it this way. Baker scores. NU hypothetically drives the field, somehow gets the TD and the 2. MSU somehow loses the game in overtime.
Suddenly, things are looking much, much dimmer this year.
Bottom line: the game’s over, Baker might not have made the right decision, and MSU won that one.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No question about that.
Get down, and the only way you can lose is if you botch the victory formation. Score, and you can give up a TD+2 to tie.
I've got to ask about the headline for this article.
…Would 11-1 / 7-1 not be a still-dreamy season for MSU? Seems that most people picked MSU to go 8-4. Unless you think MSU will lose out…
Also, I take “MSU [is] a Green and White version of 2009 Iowa” as a very high compliment.
one reason for the headline
1) Thanks to the Iowa loss, MSU is the only undefeated anything in the Big Ten, so dreams of MNC’s, outright Big Ten titles, etc…are dancing in everyone’s heads. I wasn’t, nor have I been, insulting toward State….but just like everyone else, I am realistic and can feel the Spartans struggling in numerous situations.
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by Graham Filler on Oct 25, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
oh
and I picked the Spartans to go 9-3, which was the most wins of any of our commentators…and I still might end up shortselling them, win-wise
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by Graham Filler on Oct 25, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
2004 Wisconsin and 1999 Penn State loom large.
Both of those teams had possible undefeated seasons on the line and lost their final Big Ten games to close out the year.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I know you weren't, and haven't been, insulting toward MSU.
It just seems…premature?…to say that a loss to Iowa would end MSU’s dream season, that’s all. I didn’t know if you were suggesting that there was something else.
Same thought here
Even if the don’t go undefeated, in terms of where the Spartans have come from over the past decade going 10-2 or 11-1 isn’t bad in terms of making progress. Of course everyone wants to go undefeated, but that isn’t the real goal: Going to the Rose Bowl or a BCS game would mark a huge improvement for the Spartans compared to where they have been. It’s a dream season in either case.
by St8rBoiInMN on Oct 25, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand the criticism of going for 2 earlier
I much prefer to go for 2 on the first TD. If you wait until the second touchdown, the whole game rides on making it. If you fail on the first touchdown like Stoops did, you can adjust your gameplan to go for 2 more scores, instead of only going for 1 and then losing because you didn’t plan to need 2 more scores.
wrong wrong wrong
Either way, you’re going to have to go for two. The problem with not making it the first time is that you’re entire game depends on getting it.
If you fail like Oklahoma did, it’s a 2 score game, and in this situation, they were not going to get two chances to score.
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by Graham Filler on Oct 25, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
This situation has actually been studied in a rigorous game theoretic manner...
and that says, statistically, that you should go for two first.
If you’re down 14, it also suggests going for two both times, which increases your win percentage.
"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"
So, Graham, you are saying
that your entire game doesn’t depend on getting it the second time? At least if you know you need two more scores you can adjust your game plan for it. Otherwise, you think you only need 1 score, and plan for it, then definitely run out of time when it turns out you really needed 2.
With all due respect, this is crap.
If you assume you won’t get two chances here, the same is true after failing the second time.
If you go for two the first time, you know whether you need one possession or two. If you kick it, you don’t know. Because of that, you might try to drain the clock and then the two-point try really is do-or-die. Or you might try to leave time in case you need to onside kick, make the two, and now you’ve left time for your opponent to go for a game-winning FG. If you go for it the first time, you can onside kick if you failed and scramble to make sure there’s plenty of time for a third drive or kick away if you made it and try to score the tying TD with as little time left as possible.
Oklahoma got it right. The punt with 2:30 left was a surrender flag (and pure idiocy), but with six minutes left your strategy for the remainder of the game depends very heavily on whether you’re down one score or two. Find out which it is before you pick a strategy.
Texas got this right too. Down 28-6, they took the two right away. (It’s even more critical if you’re down 22; go for it the first time and you can still make up for a miss by getting a TD+2 twice over, but if you wait even until the second score there is no second chance.)
Although I do understand that eventually Oklahoma would have to go for two, putting your team in position to tie the game is paramount.
You said it yourself. Better to get it over with now rather than later. If you wait it will probably be a more intense moment with more nerves.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
More nerves for the defense tho too....
….and Mizzou would have that whole 5th down / Nebraska kicked ball hanging over them.
I think you have to take the 1, and get yourself to within a score. Save the 2-pt conversion to actually tie the game. Crazy shit can happen on those plays
Concur.
At that point, you’ve got momentum on your side, and fear of failure working against the defense. The probabilistic answer may be to go for two once you’ve gotten the margin to 9 late, but I believe that answer ignores one of Clausewitz’s truisms: War is fought by human beings.
by Albino Tornado on Oct 25, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Whatever happened
to Nebraska’s vaunted defense? Did it wind up in Columbus or something?
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, most of it's in Detroit
Losing an all-universe DT was bad, but Nebraska also lost their best (oftimes only) linebacker and both starting safeties. As good as Levonte David’s been, he’s a JuCo who didn’t hit campus until August, and the top two linebackers going into camp suffered a broken leg and broken foot. As for the safety play, I’ve been cursing Rickey “The Human Missile” Thenarse’s play for years. It’s not often you’re sad when one of your own players is granted an medical redshirt season. He’s usually good for six to ten whiffed tackles, attempted jacked-up tackles where the ball carrier gains additional yards, or 15-yarders per game. The only reason he’s playing is because the good safeties are generally playing nickle and dime backs, and the other safeties are downright green.
To some degree, one has to look at the Moat State game as an aberration. Oklahoma State’s team is just like their best teams have always been – dangerously multiple, with a good QB, a good WR, and a good RB – but absolutely absent any inkling of defense. Basically, they’re the Butterbean of the Big 12, and have been since forever.
by Albino Tornado on Oct 25, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I can see both sides of this argument. One on hand you “know what you need” earlier if you go for 2 early. On the other, you keep the pressure on the other team by waiting. Of course you keep the pressure on yourself as well to make that 2 at the end. I don’t think this is really a big deal.
Stoops punting at the end, now that was sad and indefensible.
Oklahoma lost.
Can we close the chapter on that?
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize that the refs
absolutely handed that game to Penn State right?
Minnesota drastically outplayed PSU in the first half, but were aided by the worst PI call I’ve ever seen on an uncatchable ball that landed somewhere in the stands. Minnesota had a WR tackled in the end zone on a play that ended in an INT (followed the next play by a PSU TD).
The Gophers were then driving down the field when, on 4th and 2, Eric Lair was tackled in space, all alone with the ball headed to him. Again, an inexplicable no call.
There were a handful of other first half calls that absolutely hosed the Gophers as well.
Look, the Gophers are historically bad. I acknowledge that. However, Saturday’s game was a travesty of favoritism by a Big Ten officiating crew desperately trying to get Joe Pa closer to 400 wins. The line judge should be fired, immediately.
It’s a shame that on a day when Adam Weber played really well, and became only the 5th QB in Big Ten history to go over 10,000 yards, the officials decided the game instead of the players.
Yeah
We really appreciate his rationality and reason.
We really do.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 25, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
no way is that really a normal blog reading 30 something dude
That’s Tim Brewster! Welcome to OTE!
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by Graham Filler on Oct 25, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think...
…someone is holding up their smartphone to Sports Talk Radio in Minneapolis* and using the Voice to Text, then copy n’ pasting it into the comment window.
[* I am making the wild and hugely unfounded speculation that there is a sports talk radio station in Minneapolis that actually gives a crap about the Gophers.]
you are the biggest
overposter/annoying hater on this site. You are a quarter step from PantherHawk levels of hating on other teams instead of acting like a fan and just cheering for yours.
PSU literally was handed calls the entire first half. I conceded that the Gophers are historically bad. That doesn’t discount the fact that they badly outplayed PSU in the first half and were punished by a slew of horrific calls.
Get a life por favor.
You see?
I do miss you. Maybe if you’d paid any attention to my profile whatsoever, you’d realize that I’ve given my hatred of Minnesota the boot. It’s been replaced with a mixture of haughty derision and ever-so-slight contempt.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
All neutral Big Ten fans
should be cheering for MSU from here on out. The best thing that could happen to the Big Ten would be for the Spartans to win this year’s national title, and then for another Big Ten team (Ohio State in all likelihood), to win the National Title next year.
That would restore the Big Ten to its rightful place at the top of the Big Ten pecking order. Well, that and let’s be honest, no one wants to see Bielema’s obese smug mug in a BCS game.
There seems to be an epidemic of smugness amongst coaches in the Big Ten.
Either that or “smugness” is the new Godwin’s Law. [Smugwin’s Law, perhaps?]
True
I know more than a few Buckeye fans who were out-and-out pissed that Hope was contempt as ever after Purdue Harbor last season.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
what a hater
nothing more hilarious than a bitter Michigan fan hoping for the Spartans to lose so that he feels better about himself. You can claim that you’re talking up Michigan State and not bringing them down, which is pretty easy now, but to post an article saying is MSU’s “dream season” (hinting we’d have to be sleeping for this happen) is coming to end or merely questioning are abilities against an albeit tough iowa team just oozes your desperation for your rival to lose. saying we’re number 5 just because of two fake kicks and a couple last minute touchdowns is purely ridiculous. its not a fluke to get in the top 5 unless youre boise st or tcu.its not all cousins. if you might remember, all three of our backs ran all over your wolverines. i respect your knowledge and opinion just saying don’t get too carried away in your allegiences. GO STATE
Are you talking about Graham's OP?
I don’t think he was hating on MSU, especially with lines like:
But you know what will get it done? Kirk Cousins laser rocketing passes into perfect spots. Here are his 2nd half stats: 16-23, 199 yards, two TD’s. He was putting the ball on the money and his receivers were making great clutch catches.
Hey Ma, top of the world
The end of Cody Jarrett would have been a fitting metaphor for the end of John L. Smith.
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The Les Miles and Dantonio comparison
Both know their game theory (either that or the random number generator under the hat spits out results which match rather impressively). There are plenty of reasons to fault Miles, but the one trait Dantonio shares with him (the willingness to take risks when the payoff is worthwhile) isn’t one of them.
Sightly Irrelevant yet Interesting Thing about Michigan
Ya know, Michigan is 5-2 with 3 winnable games coming up (Illinois being the toughest). Anyone think they could get to 8-2 before Wisc and OSU?
Agreed.
But I’m extremely interested to see what happens in Happy Vally next week during their night game. UM vs Purdue will be interesting as well.
Purdue
is down to their 4th string QB.
When is Hope going to pull in one of those, I wonder?
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
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