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Why MSU Will Beat Michigan (Oh Ya, You Betcha)

[BamaHawkeye: For whatever reason, Ted's writing always brings out these well-reasoned counter points. Maybe it's because Ted's easy-to-follow logic leads to fruitful discussion.  Maybe it's because Ted is always wrong. Regardless, it gets bumped.]

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[After the spectacular critical acclaim of Ted Glover’s post "Why Michigan Will Beat MSU", I decided to bribe someone with a case of Leinenkugel to write a counterpoint.  Ted confided to me that he was indeed "for sale" and agreed to write the counterpoint.  But then real life – as real as a trade involving your favorite team and a wildly talented but aging prima donna wide receiver returning to the team where he saw his best years can be – intruded, so Ted bribed me back with the original bribe.

As I was drinking the three bottles of the Leinenkugel that I designated as an advance on the article, I decided that I shouldn’t write this article as a Spartan fan, but that I should try to write it from the perspective of a third party.  So I decided to channel my inner Minnesooh’t’n Buckeye fan, and write this FanPost from a point of alleged neutrality. It is suggested that one read it out loud with a Minnesooooohta / Ohio accent, just for kicks.]

This Saturday, the Big Ten Game of the Season of the Week will take place in Ann Arbor.  Two insufferable teams – The University of Michigan Arrogance and the Michigan State University Inferiority Complexes, will match neurosis against neurosis in a winner-take-all battle for bragging rights, recruiting, and ownership of "the now abandoned property formerly known as the State of Michigan".  All will be settled, at least until basketball season starts, and the rest of us can all get some peace and quiet.

Star-divide

Michigan has demonstrated amazing aptitude offense this year, led by their best player, sophmore quarterback Denard Robinson.  Denard is a run-first magician; he has the vision and acceleration to find the holes opened for him by the underappreciated Michigan offensive line, and the breakaway speed to make big plays happen.  80-yard touchdown runs are nothing to Denard.  He also has shown this year that he has learned to throw and throw well; this was an ability (actually, lack thereof) that previously prevented him from passing Tate Forcier on the depth chart.  As a sophomore, Denard is a dual-threat quarterback that has demonstrated both the running and passing abilities that make him the key part of the Rich Rodriguez "Spread ‘n Shred" system.

Michigan has been struggling to implement this system the last two years; churning players and bringing in more Free Agents than the Detroit Lions, trying to find some guys that stick and can play the system.  It truly appears that Michigan has made "the Rodriguez Leap", and is now a wildly creative and highly skilled offensive juggernaut.

Michigan State has already given some hints about adjustments they are making in preparation to face Denard.  The depth chart eliminates the RUSH end designation, and shows that two lighter, quicker ends (Tyler Hoover, and Colin Neely OR converted linebacker Denzel Drone, all sub-260 pounds) are playing at the defense end positions.  In addition, lanky linebacker Jon Misch (6-3, 207) is now listed as starting at STAR, the tweener linebacker position. 

Realistically, Michigan State’s defense has no hope of actually stopping Denard.  Denard will get his yards, both rushing and passing, against a Michigan State defense that is definitely improved but still unable to be considered "elite".  All that Michigan State can hope to do is play a "run prevent" defense; that is, to keep Denard to the inside of the field, and his runs to 10-15 yards or less.  If Denard gets to the outside, or breaks through to the secondary, he is gone.  Michigan State’s defensive goal is to keep Michigan’s offensive efficiency to 50% Drive Success Rate or less.

As spectacular as Michigan’s offense is, the Michigan defense is equally spectacular – spectacularly bad.  Right now Michigan fans hold their breath when Michigan is both on offense and on defense – on offense in anticipation of Denard making an amazing play, and on defense in anticipation that the ground is about to open up and swallow the last good defensive players.  Thus allowing non-fleet-footed Michigan State quarterback Kirk Cousins to make an 80-yard run that looks amazingly similar to one of Denard’s, meanwhile throwing for 470 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Michigan State’s offense is widely known as run-first, power-I, smashmouth, old school Big Ten Football.  However, this is far from the truth.  Michigan State has a very balanced offense, capable of the power run game as well as the spread passing game.  Don Treadwell, MSU’s offensive coordinator and future head coach elsewhere, can adjust the run-pass balance in accordance with the game situation and the opponent’s strength. 

Treadwell has a whole suite of options to use.  MSU’s offense has no less than three very capable running backs: Edwin Baker and Le’veon Bell are the two primaries, with Larry Caper as a receiving option and blitz pickup specialist.  MSU’s offensive line is, as is typical for MSU, a straight-ahead, power running team.  They use their size and strength well in the power run game, and this year, Bell in particular has demonstrated, dare I say it, a Denard-like ability to see the hole and bounce to the outside for big plays, unlike the "crash into the pile" runs that trademarked MSU’s run game in the past. 

MSU’s offense also features a very talented receiving corps that includes Mark Dell and B.J. Cunningham as the tall possession receivers, and Keyshawn Martin as the speed option.  Dell, Cunningham, and Cousins work very well together; a favored technique is hammering the sideline stop route for first downs.  Martin is displaying better hands than in the past, and is always a threat to run the reverse.  Besides the wide receivers, MSU features two very capable tight ends, Charlie Gantt and Brian Linthicum.  Both are very capable at blocking and even better at receiving, if the primary options are covered.  About the only weakness in the receiving corps is converted quarterback Keith Nichol, who is still learning the position.  MSU hasn’t found a way to get Nichol involved in the offense yet; he certainly is no Blair White.  However, I’m not convinced that they won’t find a way to use Nichol in a trick play or two on Saturday; maybe a double pass.

Heading all this is Kirk Cousins, the junior quarterback and team leader.  Cousins is an understated kind of awesome:  watching the game, you think he performed poorly because of drops or interceptions; but then you look at the box score and realize he was 20-29 for 269 yards and 3 TDs.  The only knock on Cousins is his desire to make a play on every play; usually it works, but occasionally, he ends up forcing the ball into triple coverage or winging it across his body off his back foot, resulting in disaster.  Overall, though, Cousins is quietly becoming one of the best quarterbacks in the country; he is currently #13 nationally for passer rating (164.82), and T-#10 for yards per attempt (9.4).  He doesn’t have near the passing yardage of a Bryant Moniz (Hawaii) or Sean Renfree (Duke), but that’s only because MSU’s balanced attack is not asking Cousins to throw the ball 40+ times a game.

One of the ways to prevent Denard from scoring is to limit the number of total possessions in the game.  Michigan is averaging 11.2 possessions per game and scoring on 52.5% of those possessions.  Michigan State wants to keep the total number of possessions in the game to 18 or less (9 each) and preferably less than 16; and hold Michigan to less than 50% Drive Success Rate.  Given that Michigan generally has two outcomes offensively – touchdown or punt – 4 successful drives out of 8 or 9 total drives would give Michigan 28 points. 

To achieve that, Michigan State’s strategy will be one of "run the clock", both offensively and defensively.  Offensively, Michigan State will run the ball to the middle of the field and off-tackle, with the occasional pass  -- to keep Michigan off balance and to keep drives going as needed.  I look for MSU to run the ball on 65+% of plays from scrimmage.  Michigan State will also seek to keep the pace of play as slow as molasses, with plays (both running and passing) terminating on the inside of the field, using all of the play clock, and generally keeping the clock running.  A desired goal would be to average 45 seconds on each play.  With that average, then, an 8-play drive would last 6 minutes.  Five drives that met that standard would last 30 minutes; four additional drives averaging half that duration (3 minutes) bring the total to 42 minutes.  (Even a "three-and-out" drive could be stretched out to last over two minutes.)   The ability to kick field goals makes MSU more likely to come away with points if in Michigan territory, albeit at a lower points per drive rate.  MSU will seek to be successful on more than 50% of drives, scoring on 5 of 9 drives for 31 points.

Then, defensively, MSU plays the "run prevent" – letting Denard have his 15 yards per play but keeping him to the inside of the field where the clock continues to run.  This only allows 18 minutes total for Denard to work his magic; at two minutes per drive, that gives Michigan only nine drives.  By not giving up the big play, and forcing Michigan drives to use the clock (one of the downsides of the run spread), the limited time of the game becomes the 12th defender against Michigan’s potent offense.  Michigan will score touchdowns on 4 of 9 drives, for 28 points.

You will note that I haven’t included turnovers in this calculation.  Besides being relatively infrequent, turnovers are relatively random; a team can’t count on turnovers as part of a winning game strategy.  In addition, Michigan State has been good enough to win despite being a net minus on turnovers against FBS opponents.  Even if MSU turns the ball over on a drive, as long as they have met the 3-minute drive duration minimum threshold, and still are successful on 50% of the total drives, that turnover-ended drive is actually a positive outcome for Michigan State’s strategy.

Special teams are a push.  I don’t feel like getting into them here because they are overemphasized, in my mind.  A special teams touchdown is lightning in a bottle; it may have a dramatic effect on the outcome of the game, but is extremely rare and definitely cannot be counted on. 

Penalties are also immaterial in my analysis.  Michigan State, despite being relatively heavily penalized this year, has shown an ability to render those penalties meaningless by subsequent actions in the game (for example, a holding penalty moves MSU back 10 yards from the opponent’s 25 to the 35, but then on the very next play Cousins throws a 35-yard touchdown pass.  The penalty is effectively wiped away.)

In summary, I see Michigan State utilizing a slow pace of play to drag the game out as long as possible, minimizing the total number of offensive possessions.  Denard is unstoppable as usual and gets his yards and scores, but not often enough.  Michigan State, 31-28.

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Ohio accent?

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Believe me, it exists.

I didn’t think so, having grown up in Michigan, but after moving to Texas, I can pick it out almost instantly. It’s a cross between Michigan quasi-Canadian and either Pennsylvania watered-down east coast or smoothed-out northeastern Kentucky twang, depending on what part of Ohio one is from.

I used to say the same thing growing up in Michigan: “I don’t have an accent, I have a lack of an accent.”

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 6, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's what my fam in erie say "lack of an accent"

i’m from central ohio, my parents are from W NY and PA respectively so I’m sure I have some sort of mish-mash crap accent mixed in with some California crap from the last 3 years.

so quasi-candian spanish?

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The presence of U$C fans can have a detriment on one's voice, or so I understand...

They’re so delusional that they can lead one astray very easily. Soon one is no longer talking of Buckeyes but of Golden Bears and Ducks and Beavers and how U$C has historically owned them despite a really sucky record against surprise teams in their conference… AUGH! IT’S A NIGHTMARE!

Please ignore that statement in its entirety. At no point did I attempt to make any sense.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I award you no pts, and may God have mercy on your soul

That Washington game made me extremely happy.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It made me happy as well.

Nothing like that sort of thing to bring U$C back to earth.

Any talk from Westwood after the Texas and Houston knockouts, or are all the answers drifting in the wind?

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

UCLA fans are a curious bunch

going 8-4 would be fine with them and they don’t seem to talk to much crap.

i think being mediocre in basketball has really hurt them inside.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope their basketball team continues to be mediocre...

An angel gets its wings every time UCLA loses a men’s basketball game…or something like that.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they don't do well this year Howland is gone

and then they’ll bring in someone willing to play the one-and-done’s game.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Kevin Love's one-and-done enough?

What a downturn they took after he left. I’ll still never forgive him for going to UCLA (Oregon AND OS were practically willing to PAY him out of the gate). He would have been better off going to Thad Matta and pulling a one-and-done there. Now…he’s a T-Wolf! So I can laugh at him without mercy.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Love...

how was that guy ever listed at 6’10"

if he’s 6’10" consider me Miles Davis

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man is there an accent....

It’s especially pronounced in the Cincinnati to West Virginia area. My uncle lived 30 years of his life in Indianapolis and picked it up over the past 10-15 years living in suburban Cincy. Same thing with a girl I know that grew up/went to Michigan and lives in Lexington. It’s very similar to what you’d imagine you’d hear from a stereotypical Kentucky accent.

I tell her to quit lazyjawing it. That’s how I describe it. Imagine a slobby, lazy person, watching tv, eating chips on a couch. Now imagine moving your mouth with the type of attitude.

I mean no offense. I’ve lived in Michigan since I was six, so I’ve got that whole nasally, hard A sound thing going for me. “What kind of paahhp do you have? It’s so hahhht in here.” Yah culture!

by Good Ol' Oakley on Oct 6, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

southern, and especially southeastern ohio are completely dfferent

and then of course there’s the “cleveland A” that sounds like “ahhh”

I don’t recall any accent specific to central ohio though.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want two things for my birthday this weekend

OSU win

MSU win

the other things I cannot mention on a family friendly site.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

beer?

you can want beer

Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.

by Graham Filler on Oct 7, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha, that's already covered

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

only 50 points?

Pretty well said overall but I think you’re going to see between 60-70 points.

MSU’s defense stepped up against Wisconsin and our offense should tear up Michigan’s secondary. Keep in mind this defense is far WORSE than the 2009 team and they are going to be spending a lot of time on the field with very little depth. Michigan’s offense Denard Robinson beating up on UConn, UMass, BG, ND and Indiana doesn’t make them good, it makes them over-hyped. Can’t wait for DR to get hit a few times (not dirty, just hit by Big Ten defenders).

Prediction: Baker right, Bell left, Baker right, Bell left – all day. MSU should win by 3 scores.The only thing that will stop us is turnovers. At some point in the ABC broadcast they’ll show a drive summary for MSU because of how consistently we’ve scored.

Check out our full Big Ten preview for the weekend at Tailgate & Cover.

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by tailgateandcover on Oct 6, 2010 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

MSU beating a mediocre Wisconsin and 3 other cupcakes isn’t exactly putting any fear in me or anyone else. DR has been hit hard plenty of times… UConn’s LB and DL are every bit as big and fast as MSU’s… not concerned. Neither team has really played anyone that great. Beating Wisconsin does not make MSU good.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well then you'll have to excuse the rest of us

if we’re not trembling in fear at Michigan’s resume to this point. MSU’s resume may not be impressive, and Wisconsin is vastly over-rated, but Wisconsin is also a far sight better than any of the competition Michigan has gone up against so far.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

that tight game with FCS powerhouse UMass really tells us something.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

About as equally impressive as OSU vs Ill.

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're really stretching there.

another big win against an FCS opponent. I guess it’s better than a loss against one, right? I mean, you know how both feel.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Far be it for me to defend Michigan,

but it sounds like you’re trying to imply that Ohio State has been impressive to this point in the season.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

compare a win against UMass to one aganst Illinois

seriously…

I didn’t even know that UMass played football until recently.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Illinois might win two games the rest of the year,

but they were able to hang with OSU for the entire game? How OSU has held onto their #2 ranking is baffling.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry about rankings because the ones that count aren't out yet.

an ugly win over a FBS opponent looks better than one against a FCS opponent.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I were a Buckeye fan, I would

If Oregon and OSU continue their current levels of play, your boys will find themselves on the outside looking in.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

we'll see what happens.

bad games are only a problem if you lose or if the bad play continues.

but the hawkeyes know all about that one, so it doesn’t need further explanation.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I will have you know that UMass IS 5-1.

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

they have a tough slate

william and mary
towson
holy cross..

brutal

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Richmond is coming up.

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

the spiders are tough

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be glad

you don’t play Dixie State.

Visit Inside The Shoe
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Oct 6, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The most incongruously named school ever.

The Dixie State Rebels are located in UTAH. Teh Fuck?

They also scored their first win of the season over the Clansman of Simon Fraser University (a canadian squad).

This is like the team version of the Reggie Cleveland All-Stars.

by MSULaxer27 on Oct 10, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excused.

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

mediocre Wisconsin

Exhibit A: Why I hate/spurn/ignore/brush off UM fans… Save your trash talk about Wisconsin till November, Gary Moeller 2.0

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

win 5 games to start the season for the 2nd year in a row

and suddenly your nose turns upward. weird.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year, though...

They only won four games to start the season. Then Iowa knocked them off, then they got a free slaughtering of Delaware State. Then they went 0-6 the rest of the way. Ah, good times, huh?

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

woops, how could i have forgotten that.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Otherwise known as how OSU fans have carried themselves for the last 50 years?

A Buckeye fan calling out a Michigan fan for being arrogant is the height of irony.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're starting to sound like a PSU fan...

next you’ll say something about someone’s team losing games yours can’t get to. sounds familiar.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Calling Buckeye fans arrogant makes me a PSU fan?

Probably not; that’s a pretty common opinion. You guys should try posting on BHGP again, it went well for you last time.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

BHGP is BSD lite

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I don't read BSD very often

if you can imagine that, but I do know that when you two posted your Iowa season preview on BHGP that you got taken to the woodshed.

And you complained about it.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

It got me taken to the woodshed for not buying the hype

basically saying the offensive line was suspect.

Arizona proved me right.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

One series (albeit a disaster) against

Arizona proved you right? Tell me Buckeye fan, how much responsibiliy does the o-line have for allowing a kickoff return for a touchdown, a blocked punt, and a deflected pick 6?

That’s like me saying that Pryor arm-punting for 76 yards against Illinois proves that he can’t throw the football.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was the 4 sacks in a row to end the game...

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

Iowa’s special teams gaffes had nothing to do with the outcome.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

didn't say that

but when iowa had a chance to win/tie the offensive line collapsed. Zona got pressure on Stanzi pretty easily.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The most damaging part of that game was the incidental Rick-6.

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad the

Capt Comeback thing died.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

the "always comes back int he 4th quarter to win" thing.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, even you would have to admit

that Rick’s record in the 4th quarter is pretty good.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

PINBALL MASTER TYLER SASH

struck repeatedly. Marvin McNutt then went the distance, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos (what a mouthful) then used his amazing ability to find the endzone, and before you knew it, the Hoosiers were down for the count.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking more of the MSU game,

the Michigan game, the Wisconsin Game, and the PSU game, but if you want to bring up Indiana that’s cool too.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Wisconsin game was more Amari Spievery

being awesome than Ricky…I mean, the throws to Moeaki were devastating, but Tolzien was really Iowa’s MVP that day.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

How'd I screw THAT up?

Spievery → Spievey

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll admit it's good

if you admit that the law of averages has to worry an Iowa fan.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would I?

Iowa wins games with defense; Stanzi merely has to mange the game and not make the big mistake. He made that big mistake a lot last year, but it never came back to bite in the form of a loss.

This year, the defense is better, and Stanzi isn’t trying to force things like he did at times last year.

But I’ll admit I’m worried about the law of averages if you admit that Pryor having to win a game with his arm gives you the cold sweats at night.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he can do it. Honest answer.

BUT

will the defense let his team get in that position?

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think he can, Iowa fans know Stanzi

can, because he’s done it before. Pryor has never been in that situation, so nobody knows how he’ll react.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

No it wasn't.

Iowa went right back down the field and scored after that. The most damaging part was giving up a kickoff return for a touchdown immediately afterward.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but if that int never happens, the kick return never happens. It’s like the chaos theory or something.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chaos Theory...

Now I’m picturing Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park. Thanks for that.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm picturing John Cooper on the sidelines in 1997

and Ohio State losing that game to Michigan or something. Am I so far off?

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've blocked that from memory

this is what i’m seeing

seriously though, john cooper ruined my childhood and is the reason my language is so coarse.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He also

gave MSU a free win over a top 5 OSU team that sent Wisconsin to face UCLA. The 98 Badgers were allegedly the worst team to ever play in a Rose Bowl.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That OSU team was so F-ing loaded too

ugggghh!!!!!!

We had ribs for dinner that night. F my memory.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you in South Bay CA?

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, manhattan beach.

home of all user homers/tards.

know the area?

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m in Torrance.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

very close.

The existence of that BDubs has made my life amazing.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the Del Amo mall?

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's all good

people knew just how terrible a commentator Craig James was.

I mean, watching the OS-USC highlights from 2008, you realize that he was NOT on his game from the get go.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weird.

Neither was Ohio State.

/rimshot

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

we were facing a pro team that day

no seriously. those guys made a lo of money.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually referring to the epic upset

of U$C by Oregon State…

Sorry…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at that game

FML

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about The Ohio State game that year

rather, the epic upset in Corvallis as top-ranked USC took a hard fall to Oregon State.

In my book, tOSU = Ohio State, OS = Oregon State. Sorry.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a great game

Craig James was busy formulating excuses of why his son wasn’t getting any PT at TT

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've tortured you about

that horrible loss to U$C enough lol. Rey Maualuga was in the right place at the right time, Boeckman found him in stride, and one posterization later, history was made…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but if the blocked punt

doesn’t happen, the pick six probably doesn’t happen either.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and if the bay of pigs isn't a distaster

i could smoke cuban cigars.

as could you, i think.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And THAT is why they call it the Chaos Theory, my friend.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goldblum taught me well

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's been some settling down there of late.

BSD (members, not the site admin himself) really took two losses harder than expected. I think its just the fair-weather fans drifting to the bottom. Same thing happened at B5Q,
I never knew there were so many Wisconsin fans until we lost to MSU.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

They've already written this season off

It’s a shame to not be able to watch OSU poop on their hearts this season while they wear all white and ABC beats off to it.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

Considering TNT could have broadcast that game (basketball-esque scoring), ABC went out of its way to advocate a slaughter…

Then again, Evan Turner probably was on the sidelines simmering with rage after he broke his back against the Owls.

I still find it amazing he was able to come back from that and turn in a great season.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

just watching that injury makes me cringe.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw something eerily similar

when I went to Milwaukee for the Bucks-Suns game.

The game where Bogut broke his hand, dislocated his elbow, and broke his wrist.

I can never forget that image…Ever. No matter how hard I try.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was bad too

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, that was beyond surprising

I was already geared up to watch that at the bar since i didn’t have BTN. I was willing to bet money it would be on BTN….

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Instead you probably got a Bo Ryan basketball game...

Each of Wisconsin’s offensive possessions (football) took about the same time as an average men’s basketball possession in the Kohl Center…

Unless Jason Bohannon lobs it out of bounds, that is…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

if TBS carried OSU football I would shoot myself

forced to watch George Lopez commercials and commercials for shows I’ve never heard of and would never watch. At least “Frank TV” got canceled so it’s promos won’t ruin the MLB playoffs.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bias Rears It's Ugly Head...

Sound familiar? Not trash talk. I just was not impressed.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

leave Len Bias out of this

his family has suffered enough.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed completely.

And rec’d for taking it in an opposite direction.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umm..yeah...

So I’m afraid to broach this subject at all, but here goes:

Michigan State isn’t the first or the only team to have division-I caliber athletes. You can crack on the schedule, your’s isn’t much better. UConn, ND, and Indiana all have division one athletes. Would they start at Florida or Bama (well maybe Florida this year)? Or OSU or Texas? No. But they are Division-I caliber athletes.

I know you’ve probably never heard of him (I was going to sound way more sarcastic in this part but it was sounded contrived), but there’s this Hawaiian guy that plays LB for Notre Dame. I’ll give you the rundown: He’s a true sophomore that started 10 of 12 and played in all the games his true freshman season. He was ranked anywhere between the #12 and #2 overall prospect in 2008. He finished that season with 63 tackles and 5.5 for a loss with a sack. He has 64 tackles through 5 games, 4 of them for a loss. He was described by one non-NBC announcer as ‘the most dominant and instinctive linebacker he has seen since LaVar Arrington. That would be Manti Te’o. Watch our game, your game, any ND game. He’s stellar and it will suck to have to play him in the upcoming years.

Greg Jones is great. But Michigan hasn’t been playing peewee teams. They beat a strong UConn team (I stand by it), Notre Dame (OK I’ll get this out of the way: Crist was gone for a quarter. But ours was in regulation, not OT, after our kickers proved they actually haven’t ever kicked a football before and missed 6 easy points. I’ll count it as a tie among mutual opponents. Plus we injured him for you so you’re welcome…still waiting on the thank you note), and Indiana.

Indiana doesn’t scare people, but they don’t just recruit people like you and I. They average 6-2, 270 pounds on the D line. They have 6-2, 225 pound linebackers. They are on a BCS-level strength and conditioning program. They are big boys. While they may not have the talent of the OSU, PSU, Iowa defense or MSU linebacking core, it’s not like our QB that I’m not going to name has a pile of pillows falling on him each play.

Now that i’ve said that, something awful and terrible is going to happen to that person I’m not gonna name and I’m going to be depressed for a while. But let’s look at it from a different angle. CPT Hoolie gave a much more convincing argument by giving a plan and strategy (all while making fun of Ohio and Minnesoooota accents, double score). Your response, which I hope is a post to draw emotion into reading your blog, basically states the following transitive property: “Weaklings that cannot hit and inflict pain = bad defenses. Indiana, ND, UConn = Bad Defenses. Therefore, Indiana, ND, and UConn = Weaklings that cannot hit and inflict pain.”

BUT I do agree with one point: I would bet on over 60 points being scored. Made $100 last week on the over…why did I not bet more?!?!

by Good Ol' Oakley on Oct 6, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

we've heard of the "hawaiian guy"

but seriously, when can we start counting a win against ND as a big win? shoulda been like 1996 when we stopped that BS.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because it's Notre Dame...

They are NOT a bad team…They’ve lost to teams #18, #17 and #16 while beating a Big Ten and ACC team. I never said it was a big win, but a big rivalry is a big rivalry and it was a victory over a decent team in their house. You should know as well as anyone as a Buckeye what can happen in a rivalry game.

You canned your last coach because every time you came in with a chance to finish a NC season, we would mess it up, or vice versa (minus Charles the f’in man Woodson in 1997), even if one of us was 7-4.

I also remember OSU fans crowing at their win over ND a few years ago. They aren’t 1993 ND or even 1987, but it’s Notre Dame man!

by Good Ol' Oakley on Oct 6, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

2005 was more of a victory over the ND Hype Machine fueled by ESPN

and the rule that says if they win 9 games they get a BCS berth.

What I will say about ND is that their defense is bad. It’s bad for multiple reasons, but mostly because of academic standards. They don’t let JC players in like they did when Ol Shpittle was the coach.

It’s been long enough since they were good that we shouldn’t count it as a big win anymore. At least one that vaults a team in to contention of anything, we should just wait it out and see.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can agree on that sentiment...

But as I state below, I’m not debating the quality of defense for these teams. I’m refuting the point that tailgateandcover thinks we haven’t played any teams with athletes or players that can hit.

I’d also like to point out I never said it was a ‘big win’. A big rivalry, yes. But you put those words in my mouth.

by Good Ol' Oakley on Oct 6, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The big win thing was a separate point by me really.

See above for my reply to your intended point.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

see below*

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

2005?

I still hold that Michigan has no excuses whatsoever for losing that game to ND that year. Unacceptable. COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

EXTERMINATE.

EXTERMINATE!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummm
"Weaklings that cannot hit and inflict pain = bad defenses. Indiana, ND, UConn = Bad Defenses. Therefore, Indiana, ND, and UConn = Weaklings that cannot hit and inflict pain."

we call them bad defenses bc they are. see all the points and yards they give up.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You missed the point entirely...

The point I was refuting from that tailgate and cover is this quote: “Can’t wait for DR to get hit a few times (not dirty, just hit by Big Ten defenders).”

The teams we have played may be considered bad defenses because of all the reasons you state above. Points and yards. But they weren’t powder puff, 2-hand touching he who I’m not going to name through the first five games.

I’m just stating these guys are grown men on each and every BCS football program. They all hit hard or they wouldn’t be playing. Some harder than others, yes, but we arguing the physicality of the hits he will receive, not whether Indiana sucks at defense.

by Good Ol' Oakley on Oct 6, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I realize that they hit.

I think that it may be a cumulative effect.

Let’s just say this, he’ll be facing better defenses the rest of the season that he did in the first 5 games. Meaning that he’ll get tackled more where the other teams let him slip away.(HOW DO YOU MISS A TACKLE BY THE SIDELINE!!!!!) The more he plays, the more he gets hit the greater chance he has to get dinged up and become another Pay White type of story. The blueprint is there, it’s not like I’m making stuff up here.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is true...

Which is why I am so happy to have some solid reserves to give him a break later on in the season, starting with the bye week after our gauntlet (MSU, Iowa, PSU) and Illinois and Purdue following the bye. I’m crossing my fingers that the schedule works out OK for his health…

by Good Ol' Oakley on Oct 6, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would think by now, guys know to wrap him up

and that arm tackles don’t work. But then again, TP manages to escape the same type of play and this is his 3rd year, plenty of tape out there on him. Cept for that Oregon game, don’t watch that if you want to know how to stop him.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

50 points?

Are you talking about the total points? 31-28 is 59 points.

Or what am I missing?

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 6, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your theory is flawed

When a player goes out of bounds, the clock only stops until the ball is set in college football:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2008-09-24-clockrules_n.htm

Therefore, Denard picking up 15 yards and Denard going out of bounds stop the game clock for basically an equal amount of time. Michigan State can do nothing to control the tempo of the game when they are on defense, that’s just the nature of the game.

Plus, people obviously did not watch the UConn game if they assume Michigan only scores on 2 minute drives. Michigan had two 8 minute drives and a 6 minute drive in that game. The length of their drives depends on two things:

1) How well the opponent tackles (usually in the secondary)
2) The tempo that Michigan chooses

UConn’s defense limited explosive plays, thus lengthening Michigan’s drives. Michigan will gladly take two minute drives because, in all likelyhood, that means that MSU is allowing big plays. MSU should actually hope that time of possession is relatively even, because that means that Denard is being held to 8 yard gains instead of 40 or more.

In short, I think Michigan State can win, but not for the reasons you state.

by crankthatdonovan on Oct 6, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Jeez, and I thought people would have a problem with...

…me suggesting that a turnover lost could be a positive outcome.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 6, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Standing. Ovation.

Excellent write up. And uff da, I don’t have me no accent dere enymoor, ya goofy youuper. Sheesh.

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by Ted Glover on Oct 6, 2010 6:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

If there are any Canadians on here....

Now’s your time to speak up! Yoopers are the only group of people you can make fun of for the way they talk. NOW IS THE TIME TO STRIKE!

by Good Ol' Oakley on Oct 6, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not true!

We still reference New Yawker “Cawfee Tawk” aboot my hoose. “Mooohty! Git me sum cawfee!”

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 6, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go Sparty!

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Oct 6, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll settle for MSU

knocking DROB16OMG out of the game, and for him to be ineffective/unavailable against Iowa.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd settle for Clayborn

knocking DROB16OMG the **** out for the season, and for him to be a reminder of what could have been against all the other teams in the Big Ten.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll settle for Greg Jones and

the rest of the MSU defense taking care of that this weekend while Adrian watches on TV and smiles.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fear. It’s all fear. Why not beat him healthy? Because you probably can’t.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't go that far.

Merely speculation of when Velcro not wearing a tailback’s pads will come back to bite RR in the rear.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

What makes you think I give a damn about

how healthy Michigan is when Iowa comes to town? If DROB16OMG gets knocked out, is Michigan going to cancel the rest of the season?

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

they mght as well...

I mean, if we’re being honest.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will be looking forward to some Rick-6s!

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you replying to something in particular?

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

His reply button is on the fritz.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said that you'd like some Rick 6's

and I replied that with Michigans defense, that isn’t likely. I’m implying that Michigans defense sucks.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 6, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

The walk-on, Kovacs won't be running them back????

What if they give Woolfork a rascal to ride in?

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woolfolk transferred to WvU

where he can be a valuable part of the Bill Stewart Coaching Experience.

Pat White is the only reason it lasted so long IMO…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

very accurate.

Was it Jarret that was White’s replacement?

Whoever it was, he was underwhelming at best.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geno Smith...

He’s a rolling disaster this year. They really shouldn’t have beaten Maryland. They really shouldn’t have beaten Maryland and NOT a terrible LSU team. Ugh.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep, that's him

WVU friends curse his and Bill Stewart’s existence.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

A Rascal and one of these…

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe some mighty putty too.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha! May as well throw in a SlapChop.

The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of 'Fake Heart Attack' hands down...

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 6, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

and a sham wow to top it off

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about the Shamwow?

Aw, SBB beat me to it!

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

All right guys, I'm outta here. I have packing to do for the move tomorrow.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 6, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

TarHeelHawk

Why the hate for us? You brought up the BHGP thing like we offended you..

It doesn’t change the fact that one of the games that will make or break us is the Iowa game. I have tremendous respect for Stanzi AND the Hawkeyes.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Oct 6, 2010 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

No hate for you

I was merely pointing out that when you posted your Iowa season preview on BHGP, you were unappreciative of the criticism you got, as if you didn’t expect it.

It wasn’t that you “offended” me – far from it. But think about it – you’re (presumably) an OSU fan, and the first time you ever posted on BHGP it was a season preview for the Hawks that had Iowa going 11-1 with a loss to Ohio State. If I had a blog called “Inside Fort Kinnick” and my first ever post on your site was a season preview of the pot leaves Buckeyes going 11-1 with a loss to Iowa, how do you think I would be received?

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 7, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

CPT Hoolie

you made it look so easy. 130+ comments, and I can’t even get a person to read my stuff…

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 6, 2010 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

If I had a penny for every comment to my posts...

…I’d have about two dollars and thirty-seven cents.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 6, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course after the 200 or so posts about our game in the last thread...

It was probably to much to expect another post involving MSU wouldn’t be hijacked by other Big Ten fans. At least it was Wisconsin and Iowa and not Northwestern.

by MSULaxer27 on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Northwestern fan

and having grown up in Michigan… I can’t bring myself to care. I’ve got plenty of Michigan hatred (as everyone should), but Spartan fans have always rubbed me the wrong way. As far as I’m concerned, you’re both mediocre teams who’ve only beaten more mediocre teams.

My fearless prediction: at the end of the season, a close win over Notre Dame will look about as bad as our win over Minnesota does now.

Unrelatedly, I was at the Northwestern-Michigan State game last year in East Lansing, and had three different MSU fans ask me where Northwestern was. I told one we were in Chicago, and she asked if we drove down through the UP.

You guys should work on that.

by TDozer on Oct 7, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not our fault that the name "Northwestern" is false advertising.

It’s not northwest of anything, except maybe the bulbous end of Lake Michigan. It should be called “Nearnorthsuburban University”.

At least they could have built it at the intersection of North Avenue and Western.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, I'm not sure what you have against MSU fans.

I don’t have anything against Northwestern fans…at least I don’t think I do, because I’ve never met anybody that actually admits to being a Northwestern fan. I swear, NU must have the stealthiest fanbase ever. Either that or the fans are living in dispersed exclaves for their own safety.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have to escape from their men's basketball team every time November rolls around...

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

We exist...

…but are admittedly outnumbered in our own home stadium, er town. A large percentage of the students come from New York, D.C., and California, and usually go back home.

There have actually been some fairly nasty games between MSU and Northwestern over the years. I remember a game in 1993 at East Lansing where a fight at the end of the game went up into the crowd and an NU player started swinging folding chairs at Spartan players. I also remember State students doing the world’s largest periodic table at halftime (and you call us nerds).

That being said, for the most part, I think we like State fans. They’re certainly better than their condescending, over-bearing brethren from Ann Arbor.

by GTom on Oct 7, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh lordy...

…I had forgotten aboot that fight in 1993. [facepalm]

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

We were singing Kumbaya for about 20 minutes in the stands

The NU-MSU games were chippy for about a decade, but things seem to have cleaned up with the Dantonio and Fitz regimes. Maybe the Spartans just aren’t getting enough frustration out on the playing field as they used to, which is why things erupt in a dorm fight come December.

by GTom on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have the exact same situation here in Central Texas...

…Baylor University.

Private school, teams overachieve to have winning seasons, nobody that lives around here actually went there.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at that game!

If I remember correctly, my flask got confiscated, and as my tailgating buzz wore off, I realized it was cold as fnck, and I was without proper winter weather gear.
I’ve been to a couple MSU/NU games in Evanston, and always had a good experience with the NU fans I came across. I even sat in the student section one time wearing my green & white, and the fans were mostly respectful.

by Spartan D on Oct 7, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're all washing and waxing their

Ferrari’s before they head out to the Armani store to find a new suit.

by TarHeelHawk on Oct 7, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I decided to bribe someone with a case of Leinenkugel to write a counterpoint."

Ya’know, if you were REALLY getting into the whole Michigan/MSU rivalry thing, you’d at least have tried bribing him for a Bell’s Oberon to better get yourself in the mood…

by jackhitts on Oct 7, 2010 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

If I could get any Oberon, I would have already drinked it myself.

Remember, I was trying to bribe a third party, someone from Minnesoooota or maybe Wiscaaaahnsin, using the currency of their native land.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't you hear?

Minnesota has deflated their currency, and now use pickled herring as legal tender.

by Spartan D on Oct 7, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And don’t forget, Chairman of the Nation of Minnesota Federal Reserve Garrison Kellior reserves the right to revert the country back to the “Rhubarb pie standard” at all times.

by jackhitts on Oct 8, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

So is this whole "shoelace4hesiman" nonsense over now?

Who will espn slobber on now?!?!

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 9, 2010 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Fivecier

That was too easy.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 9, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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