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Big Ten Power Poll - Post Week 5

Let's be honest. Two of the easiest columns to write (and get feedback from your readers) are 1) the power rankings column and 2) the pop culture comparison column. Much like that magical day when somebody got their peanut butter on my chocolate (or did I get my chocolate in her peanut butter?), it was predestined that one day these two great columns would be brought together...

We don't necessarily know what we know what we have in the middle of the Big Ten. While we did see separation between Iowa and Penn State, and a bit of space between Michigan State and Wisconsin, there still feels like there is a big clump of teams that between Ohio State and the Bottom Four that could be sorted out in any kind of order. Who'll come out on top? It might come down to leadership.

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As the current President waits for a visit from a Big Ten team (it was February of 2003 the last time we sent a football team to DC for a photo op), let's look at the leaders of our football teams and the past-Presidents that they match. And yes, you History majors, these summaries of the Presidents are very oversimplified.

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1. Ohio State - 96 Points (8 1st Place Votes) - Last Week: 1 - Thomas Jefferson

No, I can not confirm that TJ wore a sweater vest. However, he took over a country that was struggling under ineffective leadership, and boldly increased its size and power. He took advantage of France's weakness and internal difficulties to benefit the US, much in the same way that Tressel has taken advantage of Michigan's internal problems to assert Ohio State as the dominant power in the league.

2. Nebraska - 87 Points - Last Week: 2 - Andrew Jackson

It was feared that Jackson would lead the Western rabble into the dignified world of Washington DC. When he eventually took over, he was fiery and brash. He also made a big impact and changed perceptions. 

3. Michigan State - 76 Points - Last Week: 5 - Woodrow Wilson

Had grand plans for America becoming a dominant force on the international stage. Was leading the country as it impressed other powers on the battlefield. Any successes that he had at the end of his time in office was due to his staff (and wife), as health issues prevented him from actively leading the country.

4. Iowa - 72 Points - Last Week: 9 - Dwight Eisenhower

Solid, dependable and strong, he led the country through a time of relative prosperity. For that, he is remembered very fondly. Never very progressive, he was willing to adapt to changing values throughout the country. He also dominated Pennsylvania in both elections.

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5. Michigan - 60 Points - Last Week: 6 - William Taft

More than any President between Lincoln and FDR, he fundamentally changed the role of the government. His use of progressive legislation to break up national trusts was a dynamic shift from the playbook of the men who preceded him in office. While he did not remain in office very long, history has shown just how successful and necessary his term was.

6. Wisconsin - 58 Points - Last Week: 3 - George H.W. Bush

Successful at the outset of his term, Bush saw his administration rack up success in liberating Iraq. After a short while, his followers began to acknowledge that he would never be as successful (in their minds) as his predecessor. His inability to fix the problems of the time and move forward would be his undoing.

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7. Northwestern - 51 Points - Last Week: 7 - John Kennedy

Young and short tenured, Kennedy is thought of very favorably. However, a quick analysis of his accomplishments shows that he did very little in office compared to other Presidents. Followed through on a crazy Bay of Pigs plan, despite all good judgment indicating it was bound for failure. It's similar to running a fake kick to end a bowl game.

8. Penn State - 43 Points - Last Week: 8 - Ronald Reagan

Yes, he was old when he took office, but he still was able to command a room of those far younger. Generally thought of as a conservative, he was deft at reading the options at his disposal and moving in a much more liberal manner than many gave him credit for. His last year included consistent rumors that he was no longer in control, despite the outward appearance that he ran the show.

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9.  Indiana - 29 Points - Last Week: 9 - Chester A. Arthur

Came to power after the unfortunate death of his predecessor, a man who was expected to lead the country in an aggressive and successful new direction. While his successes were few, it can be said that he maintained the course of the country and managed to keep a slow trickle of progress going.

10. Illinois - 26 Points - Last Week: 10 - George W. Bush

Despite the low expectations of many when he came to power (some thought he fell ass-backwards into the job), he showed himself to be a strong leader who led the nation past difficult attacks and to successes in battle - at first. The successes were few and far between as time went on.  By the end of his time in office, his own party tried to distance itself from him. Not considered to be the brightest of Presidents.

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11. Purdue - 16 Points - Last Week: 11 - Andrew Johnson

President during a very difficult time, it was necessary for him to have healing powers to make his term successful. Always falling short in comparison to his predecessor, he did the best that he could considering the circumstances.

12. Minnesota - 9 Points - Last Week: 12 - James Buchanan

Generally thought of as the worst of the Presidents. Westward expansion meant that he had brilliant new resources available to him, yet he could not devise a way to take advantage of them. Sat idly by as the worst years in American history began. In retrospect, burying his head in the sand and declaring that everything would be OK may not have been the right strategic move.

 

The Big Ten Power Poll is voted upon by the eight writers of this staff. 96 is a perfect score. 8 is the lowest possible total.

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The lady to the left of Dubya has a look of “Ok, who invited this guy?” on her face.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

In his defense

that’s his daughter. And daughters have made that face about their fathers for centuries.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Oct 7, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan got stuck in a bathrub?

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, did you HAVE to give us H.W.?

Are you kidding?!

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

better than Barack...

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know about THAT...

Sensationalism’d/

Please never bring politics and the power polls together ever again; there’s just WAY too much negativity associated with the former…

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

WHAT YOU DONT WANT A POLITCAL ARGUMENT?!?!?!

DENARD16OMG FOR PRETHIDENTH!!

queue the “my president doesn’t tie his shoes” tshirts.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Brady would be better IMO

He’d carry NE and Mich in a landslide, then make a stunning comeback to win it all…

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Presidents don't wear chain wallets.

i love google so much

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I take it Tate Forcier is prohibited from running for the Oval Office.

I can’t recall seeing something like that outside of high-school.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I WAS BANNED FROM STAMPEDE BLUE? - Clay Matthews III
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're right

there’s a moratorium on spirit fingers.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

Awaiting the fab-u-lus new one-man off Broadway show: “Just Tate”

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

already exists...

its called the vagina monologues.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I thought you didn't HAVE

photoshop??

Visit Inside The Shoe
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wish I could take credit for that masterpiece

google ftw

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shamelessly taken from BSD?

They had an entire thread of Tate photoshops…

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

google.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

It had to be done...

Courtesy of Mr. Rosewater of BSD…

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minnesota = Obama

Both Brewster and Obama come into office with grand promises that everyone loved to hear, but its been a disaster in both instances.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Oct 7, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

See

And that’s why I tried to stay with historical figures.

I guess the response would be that Michigan State = Obama. Inherited a disaster from his joke of a predecessor, and despite some struggles, has made progress – albeit not as fast as many would like.

But, that’s probably a discussion best served for another forum.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Oct 7, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, no, no...

Michigan State = Harry S Truman.

Inherited weighty troubles, forced to make tough decisions, everybody jeered him for his mannerisms, struggled early in his presidency with insubordinate members of his team who got themselves into trouble…

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually debated

Truman, Hays, and Wilson for MSU.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Oct 7, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, but Wilson was an unabashed racist.

MSU (then MAC) had one of the first (if not the first) African-American college football players in Gideon Smith. He played for MAC around the same time Wilson was elected.

I would have been much happier with Harry S or Granny Hayes.

Anyway.

by MSULaxer27 on Oct 7, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the other hand

Wilson inserted American into global concerns more than any President to that date, and MSU does send more students abroad than just about anyone.

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by Seer on Oct 7, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

abu dubai

campus

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by Graham Filler on Oct 7, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone named William McKinley would like to have a word with you.

Invaded Cuba on false pretext (Remember the Maine!).
Fought a War with Spain.
Annexed Hawaii, the Philippines and Puerto Rico.

by MSULaxer27 on Oct 8, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what you mean to say is that William McKinley

Was the first American president to send a letter to every foreign leader he could reading only “Fuck you!”

I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
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by hkobb7 on Oct 13, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t consider nationalizing multiple industries, implementing costly new regulations, and losing jobs progress.

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by PurdueMatt on Oct 7, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure that this kind of discussion isn’t appropriate for this blog, so why even go there.

. . . says the man from Columbus.

by Buckeye Brad on Oct 7, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

we can be friends

i’m sure that makes you happy.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brewster should start the "Blame Glen" defense tactic

ride it in to the ground.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Never do this again, Bama Hawk...

Politics and football do not mix well.

I'm just glad Scott Tolzien didn't go all Drew Tate on Nick Toon and whack him upside the head...
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I WAS BANNED FROM STAMPEDE BLUE? - Clay Matthews III
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 7, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I applaud the effort, but the responses are predictable.

Talking about politics is kinda like jerking off with a cheese grater – slightly amusing, but mostly just painful

by Spartan D on Oct 7, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Cliche

But so, so, soooooo appropriate.

I'm gonna give her my "D" face. Deeeee, deeee, deeee!
---Norm Parker

by hkobb7 on Oct 13, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Putting politics aside....

….the characterizations are dead on, as usual.

Anyway: MSU ahead of Iowa!?!?!?! Notta chance. That Iowa defense scares the heck outta me. They remind me of the Oakland Raiders of the ’70’s. Hard hitting, nasty, fast, tough, swagger to burn.

Ricky Stanzi IS Kenny Stabler. Just in a mirror, so he’s, ya know, not left handed.

by CPT Hoolie on Oct 7, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I love that analogy

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by Bama Hawkeye on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since nuftw is curious (just joshing) … here are my unbiased rankings for the Big10 this week:

1. Ohio St 5-0, 4.61, +2 spots from last week
2. Michigan 5-0, 4.54, -1
3. Mich St 5-0, 4.15, +2
4. Iowa 4-1, 3.51, +3
5. Northwestern 5-0, 3.50, -3
6. Penn St 3-2, 3.12, -2
7. Wisconsin 4-1, 2.76, -1
8. Illinois 2-2, 2.75, even
9. Indiana 3-1, 2.37, even
10. Purdue 2-2, 2.07, even
11. Minnesota 1-4, 1.04, even

Nebraska would be right behind Northwestern at 4-0, 3.48

by talonk on Oct 7, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Transitive win/loss rankings back at you

3 Iowa 48-1 (3-1)
5 Michigan 44-0 (4-0)
10 Penn State 40-3 (2-2)
10 Northwestern 37-0 (4-0)
20 Nebraska 28-0 (3-0)
31 Michigan State 21-0 (4-0)
33 Ohio State 20-0 (5-0)
42 Illinois 15-2 (1-2)
59 Wisconsin 4-1 (3-1)
64 Indiana 2-1 (2-1)
85 Purdue 3-14 (1-2)
95 Minnesota 12-28 (1-3)

These rankings all seem to be getting closer and should all be about the same in a week or two. The major discrepancy for strictly transitive-based is still OSU, which is a little tricky to justify but here’s a shot:
1-3 of the 5 teams OSU played might just be 3 of the 5 worst teams in FBS. Those wins are worthless
2-Illinois’ and Miami have only played 4 other games against FBS teams. This hurts building transitive chains.

Beating Indiana won’t do much for the Buckeyes, but having two of Illinois-Penn State, Miami-FSU, and EMU-Vanderbilt games go their way would bump them up a bit next week.

I think we can all agree that if Northwestern were 3-1 against FBS competition with the wins coming against teams who were 1-11 in FBS, the Wildcats would not be receiving votes in any national polls.

Transitive Rankings: It's not who you beat, it's who they beat. Post Week 5: Big Ten and all FBS

Reality has a little-known Northwestern bias

NU prez knows how to get PUMPED

by nuftw on Oct 7, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

This post is lamer than FDR's legs.

What? Too soon?

(i don’t think it’s lame, it’s just my fav family guy joke ever and I desperately wanted to use it)

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions  

The Kennedy as Northwestern is particularly fitting

given his “Why does Rice play Texas?” speech. Since Northwestern beat Rice by the same margin as Texas, it really should be “Why does Rice play Northwestern?” :P

Transitive Rankings: It's not who you beat, it's who they beat. Post Week 5: Big Ten and all FBS

Reality has a little-known Northwestern bias

NU prez knows how to get PUMPED

by nuftw on Oct 7, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not one to defend OSU

but I think it’s a bit unfair to compare them to Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson’s Presidency, outside of the Louisiana Purchase, is widely seen as a failure and a disaster. No one can question the contributions Jefferson made in shaping this country both before and after independence, but his Presidency is, largely, a black mark on his lagacy that is overshadowed by his many accomplishments.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 7, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

C'mon!

How many other presidents have had their vice-presidents murder a rival and then later attempt to invade New Spain & create a monarchy in the midwest?

by MSULaxer27 on Oct 7, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I was confining my discussion to Jefferson himself, I forgot all about the exploits of Aaron Burr

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Oct 7, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

This is not too shabby from someone who has a background in history Regan is spot on for PSU

There will be no battle fatigue in my command

by psu in the w-b on Oct 7, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

“Congratulations on the Championship… now go share it with whoever came in 2nd place.”

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