Big Ten Expansion - Coming TODAY?!?
The headline is a bit of a tease, but the Chicago Tribune is reporting that the Big Ten may well be notifying some conferences TODAY of its intention to begin expansion negotiations with 3-5 schools.
It sounds like the Big Ten expansion will be a much more public event than the back room dealings that we saw in the ACC/Big East changes of 2003.
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The BE/ACC moves were such a cluster.
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Considering that the conference
(most likely) wants nothing to do with being rejected, this would imply that they have interest from these schools. This seems to be moving faster than expected.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Apr 18, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions
The big east just hired former nfl commish paul tagliabue to make sure the big east is not raided again.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 22, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Makes you wonder...
with the accelerated timetable, if they’ve gotten some indication from the “home run” schools (ND & TX) that the door is open. I would tend to think if those schools were spurning our advances we’d probably wait a year.
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I agree with Chitown and you. It certainly seems like the Big Ten is poised to hit a home run or two here. I really think this would be a good thing for college football as a whole.
by NickFantana on Apr 18, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
And
it would be awesome to screw over the Big 12, Big East or whatever conference we take these teams from.
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by White Lightning on Apr 18, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Three more teams is a bad idea for football
And five more is a bad idea for basketball as well. At that point it’s not so much a conference as two divisions with a weird scheduling agreement and a shared playoff.
It’s not even that I dislike the teams that are being discussed (although there are a couple where I don’t really see what we gain) – it’s just the scheduling realities of a 14-team football conference or a 16-team basketball conference. (14 is okay in basketball, you can do 2×6 in your division and 1×7 in the other – 19 games in all.)
by SpartanDan on Apr 18, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't Agree More
besides the scheduling, if they add too many teams and it’s just not the Big Ten anymore.
One team is enough.
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I think that is the point.
Flakbait, I think the B10 has too do this. Just being the B10 isn’t good enough in the current college athletics world today. I think if they do it, do it Big. add 5 schools if they can. I’d be all for it if they add Notre Dame, Texas, Missouri, Nebraska and Syracuse.
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It's Not?
Please explain why. Or at least how 14 or 16 is so much better, because I just don’t see it.
Conference Members ACC 12 Big East 16 Big Ten 11 Big 12 12 C-USA 12 Independents 3 MAC 12 Mountain West 9 Pac-10 10 SEC 12 Sun Belt 13 WAC 9
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The scheduling difficulties have to take a backseat to the strengthening of the conference by adding front-line schools.
I think you’re right that it ends up being two affiliated conferences, but I like that. Right now, most of the teams the Big Ten is contemplating adding want nothing to do with the Big Ten in non-conference play. Obviously, they won’t have a choice if they join the Big Ten. It’ll make all of the teams stronger because it’ll be the toughest conference in both football and basketball.
Nick just hit a home run.
I agree 100% with that. The expansion of the B10 is a calculated effort to flip the bird to the SEC, B12, Pac 10, Big East and ACC. The Big East basketball tournament was incredible this year. Just imagine the B10 basketball tournament and the B10 championship game for football. These events will be larger than life, if the right schools are added.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
In Basketball, the conference champ will be in the NCAA, so that’s all good.
In football, there will always be a biased toward undefeated teams so the Big 10 can knock each other out and then wonder why they always get left out of the championship game. Why do you think the trend is toward NOT scheduling tough non-conference games? Because strength of schedule is too small a part of the equation.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
Well the SEC rarely has an undefeated conference champ, yet;.
They always seem to be in the nation title game(football). The tough competition has forged the SEC champ into a legit favorite for any bowl game or bcs championship game. I dont think the non conference schedule will be changing anytime soon. The superconference will negate any reason to schedule tough non-conference opponents. The SEC rarely travel outside the south to play football games. This hasn’t hurt their credibility or weakened the SEC. The ultra tough SEC is the model the B10 should be looking at I think. I would like to see the B10 become a 14 team conference. This should be enough to almost guarantee the B10 a BCS title game birth every year. much like SEC enjoys currently.
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"Ultra tough SEC"
You have got to be kidding. As far as a guarantee that the Big 10 would get in the title game, that is also laughable, if the Big 10 expands to 14 or 16 teams there is a very small chance that any team would go through conference with one loss, let alone go undefeated. The reason the SEC gets a team into the NCG every year, is because behind Florida and Alabama, most of the rest of the conference is mediocre at best. and don’t even get me started on SEC’s OOC scheduling. I really don’t like the idea of expansion anyway, but if they are deadset on expanding, make it one team.
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by White Lightning on Apr 18, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
And do you want to know if a Big 10 team doesn't go at least 11-1
and by some miracle a SEC team achieves anything less then 11-1, Boise State would walk their way into the NCG, and nobody wants to see that.
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by White Lightning on Apr 18, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The reason a 1-loss
or even 2-loss SEC team can find itself in the championship has nothing to do with the conference’s actual strength, merely the media’s love of the SEC’s perceived strength. If anyone else loses a game (except maybe USC), then they are out, but if a SEC team loses, that doesn’t matter because “it’s just so hard to win all your games in such a loaded conference”. That argument is crap, of course, but that doesn’t mean that the media isn’t wedded to it all facts on the ground be damned.
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To be fair ...
… the reason a 2-loss SEC team found itself in the championship game is because there wasn’t really another viable option. Hawaii played a 1-AA schedule (and that’s not really even an exaggeration – 30 1-AA teams ranked ahead of them in SOS according to Sagarin!), Kansas wasn’t much better aside from one game against Missouri (which they lost; they missed all of the top 3 from the South that year), and everybody else had two losses too (even the Utah-BYU-Boise types). Of the two-loss teams, LSU had the best argument.
The flaws in the BCS lie more in the premise – that exactly two teams deserve a chance to play for the title each year – than in the execution; given that you’re going to pick two, it usually gets the “right” two (at least when there’s enough separation to make a judgment at all; as far back as I remember I’ve either agreed with the top two it chose or had no clear opinion as to who it should be). Don’t get me wrong, the execution has problems too (coaches’ conflict of interest, Billingsley) but it usually produces a reasonable result in spite of those inanities.
I didn't really have a problem
with LSU playing in the championship game. My problem has been the media adoration of all things SEC whereby it is decided before the season begins that the SEC champion is almost guaranteed a spot in the national title game because the conference is deemed the best in the land. The past two seasons, however, have largely exposed that contention as a lie: the SEC has been very good at the top with Alabama and Florida, but has been incredibly weak through the middle and abysmal at the bottom. Despite this, the meme continues that the SEC is the toughest/best conference in the land. It may be, but it is a much, much closer quesiton than ESPN would have you believe.
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No disagreement there
The SEC hype is disgusting (I sometimes get the impression that certain media members would take Vanderbilt over the Detroit Lions). It’s a self-perpetuating myth, though: they start the season highly ranked, don’t play anyone early (that’s true of most BCS schools, though), then get credit for impressive wins by beating each other despite the fact that all we know about them is they can slaughter patsies.
Well we all agree the SEC is over hyped.
The SEC champ is battle tested, Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Tennesee are storied college football programs. The B10 can clain Ostate, P State and Michigan as truly storied programs. ESPN may have a love affair with the SEC, but, the B10 hasn’t done anything to earn national recognition since Ostate beat Miami. The B10 usually gets 2 teams to play in a BCS game not because they are tougher then the rest of the field. The B10 gets 2 BCS games because, all the schools and their fans travel well. What else is there to do in Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois? I will go out on a limb and say if, the B10 teams didnt bring such a loyal fanbase, we would have a hard time placing 1 team in a BCS game.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Vandy vs. Detroit
Who wouldn’t pick Vandy?
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Are we talking football teams or places?
I mean, Nashville is a much nicer place than Detroit, but the 0-16 Lions team from a few years back would stomp all over 2001 Miami.
This is exactly what I was getting at.
the SEC schedules are all garbage.
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by White Lightning on Apr 19, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
this upcoming season will be different. their are no dominant teams in the sec or big 12 this year.
alabama is already whining about that they have to face five oppossing teams coming off bye’s this year. that is a tough journey to travel to another bcs ncg. the big 12 has no dominant team and i could see all the good teams in both conferences having 2 losses. that opens the door for osu and iowa. i also find it interesting that the meetings are taking place in washington d.c.? i think we will see a more fair playing field for all of college football come 2011. only time will tell. it should be interesting.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 19, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no doubt the landscape will be changed in 2011
But I also have no doubt that the playing will NOT be more “fair”, whatever that means. Simple fact is, the power conferences will always use their clout to look out for themselves first, second and foremost.
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This is how i think it might break down. I'm sure Jim Delaney and John Swofford.....
are tired of hearing bcs buster just like most of the nation including myself.My favorite conference (mwc)happens to be in that category. Now that boise state has a legit chance to make a bcs ncg if they beat Virginia Tech by say 10 – 14 points which i think they are capable of doing. They do bring back 21 of 22 starters and kellen moore their qb is the real deal. 36 td’s and only 3 int’s last year. He was sacked only six times all year. He knows when to throw the ball away. I could see espn once they beat a depleted defense of V.T(they do not have many returning starters on defense and lost another starter about a month ago). Their next toughest two games after that are oregon state(no starting qb with any ncaa experience) and wyoming.
I will say the big ten will add just one team, not sure which team but to make an even 12 so they can have a cg. Then they could tell the non aq bcs conferences we will make you aq bcs conferences if you play 4 teams from aq bcs conferences in your ooc schedule.That means the mwc and wac plus the other 3 conferences. i personally would accept that offer if i was the other commisssioners and teams like utah who already play three aq bcs teams just would have to play one more bcs team. Alot of teams just play two teams. So they would have to add two more teams. Houston beat all their aq bcs teams last year and east carolina once scheduled four in a year and played kentucky in a bowl game so it’s not like it has no been done before. The big conferences will still get thier money b/c it’s mostly a state population thing that creates more viewership with the college football fans. Both side’s give a little and their could be a compromise. I hope that is the way it ends up.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood". Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales".
by wolfmanshowlforever on Apr 20, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
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