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Big Ten 2010 // Keeping the Enemy Close - Maize And Brew and MSU

If anyone remembers the classic SEC mocking article from 2009, you'll know why an appropriate tagline for Maize and Brew Dave would be: "Aggravating opposing fans in the offseason since...whenever M and B was created." Not to stray far from his niche, Dave has joined us on TRE for Michigan State week to share his thoughts on the foot-shooting Spartans and Mark Dantonio's sparking personality. Enjoy this offering from Maize and Brew...and don't hold your handguns too close to your lower extremities.

When Graham asked me to do a piece on MSU for his week long series on the Spartans, I wasn't really sure which way I'd go with the piece. Initially, I thought I'd do something neutral and staid, like some a few of his previous guests. You know, something marginally positive in the spirit of giving "perspective" and "sportsmanship," all whilst gritting my teeth and attempting not to say anything inflammatory or funny. But where's the fun in that? In the back of my mind, I also knew I could break out the hatchet and go to town. In the end it wasn't much of a choice.

Always choose the hatchet.

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Michigan State is, and will always be, a team incapable of handling even the slightest amount of success without irreparably harming themselves immediately thereafter. There's a reason MSU doesn't have a skeet shooting team. If they ever won anything, by the next day half the squad would be dead from self inflicted gunshot wounds. I mean look at Plaxico Buress. If you're looking to sum up Spartan football in eleven seconds, here you go:

That's right. Michigan State is a Gus Frerotte touchdown run. A fleeting moment of joy immediately followed by shocking stupidity and season ending pain.

They are the little brother. The kid who tries too hard in a pick up game. The heavy weight boxer with the glass jaw. MSU is a program with grand aspirations that always sees itself on the brink of something big, yet shoots itself in the foot every time the opportunity presents itself. It's a miracle anyone has any feet left in East Lansing.

Sadly, it's a systemic problem at MSU.

How telling is it that their greatest game, the "Game of the Century" ended in a tie. Or, the game after the "Greatest Comeback in College Football History" the Spartans lost by 25 points to Indiana. Yes. That Indiana. In 2005 they led their hated in-state rival Michigan by double digits, yet found a way to lose in Overtime. The next year, in a rain soaked home game they surrendered 19 fourth quarter points to lose to Notre Dame, including a 37 yard interception return for a touch down that was the margin of victory. It was so bad it caused a MSU radio personality to melt the fuck down on the air

Year by year it doesn't change. The Spartans find new and horrifyingly painful ways to loss games they have a chance to win and embarrass their University. 2009 was the Spartan program in a nutshell. MSU started out by losing to Central Michigan in mind blowing, how-in-god's-name-did-that-happen fashion.  Then, despite that, fought back and made a Bowl Game. However, despite being on the cusp of doing something that no Spartan team had done in a decade (win a bowl game), the Frerotte'd themselves. Instead of coming to play at the Alamo Bowl, they came to fight in some crappy dorm room.  At least 14 players stormed a frat house to beat up a bunch of frat boys who "disrespek'd" them. The end result was jail time for some, expulsions for others, suspensions galore, and an Alamo Bowl shellacking at the hands of Texas Tech. Sparty on, indeed.

Opportunities for success are really just opportunities for the Spartans to create new methods of self mutilation. Michigan State is that team. A team that probably should be better than it is, but will always be weighted down by its lengthy history of incompetence, malfeasance and mismanagement. Since Perles left the East Lansing sidelines it's been a cavalcade of idiocy donning the headsets. Excepting Nick Saban, who never won a bowl game or a conference championship at MSU, the Spartan coaching fraternity can only charitably be described as not-quite-drooling-on-itself. Nothing sums up the Spartan coaching tree better than John L. Smith's fateful post Notre Dame press conference:

For all the stock people place in Mark Dantonio, I'm at a loss as to why. Dantonio does come from a respectable coaching tree. He was mildly successful in a low pressure job. He has the personality of an oak tree. We had the same thing once. His name was Tommy Amaker. Dantonio collects mediocre talent and coaches them poorly. But he doesn't slap himself on camera, so hey, he's a step up. Then there are the players that end up in Green and White. A crack addicted quarterback, appropriately named Smoker. A Super Bowl winning wideout who now collects his mail from a New York State Penitentiary P.O. Box. And then you've got all the players from Frat-Gate. Just top-notch.

That's just how it is if you're a Spartan fan. You have a team that you know will ultimately rip your heart out on the field and embarrass you off it. A mediocre coach who's views on discipline are too lenient for Urban Meyer. A veteran team with all the courage and leadership of a French Cavalry division.

Yet Spartan fans continue to cling to the belief that this year will somehow be different than every other year. And they forcefully assert that belief to anyone within ear shot. They'll tell you how things have changed. How MSU is dominating in-state recruiting. How great a coach Dantonio is. How this is the year they get national respect. How scUM will finally get what's coming to them. And above all, Michigan will respect them this year. That's what it's all about.

Respect.

Having someone ask "Do you mean 'State' or University of'" when you tell someone you went to school in Michigan, rather than having them tell you how cool the winged helmets are. [State Grads] want people outside Michigan to be impressed when they say they went to State, and go "Wow, good school" rather than say "Oh... Great party school, eh?" They want to prove they were smart enough, fast enough, good enough, etc...

That's what makes [the Michigan Michigan State Rivalry] so interesting. It's a constant battle for respect by one side and a constant face of feigned indifference on the other.

Don't let anyone tell you differently, Michigan fans love to beat Michigan State. They love to remind them that even with easier admissions requirements they still can't field a competitive football team. Michigan fans love to remind State fans that they haven't been to the Rose Bowl since 1988 and have a better chance of seeing Jesus in a jar of peanut butter than a BCS bowl game. Michigan fans love to tell State fans that they would've gone to Michigan if they could've, but they didn't get in. They love to thumb their noses and fart in the general direction of a school they consider inferior.

And no matter how successful Michigan State ultimately becomes, it still won't matter to Michigan fans or for that matter the rest of the conference. When you realize that Michigan State was the last team added to the Big Ten before Penn State, you start to get the sense of where the Spartans fall in the grand scheme of the Big Ten. They're there. They exist. Occasionally they'll make some noise in the conference.

Then they'll shoot themselves in the foot. 

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This week...


MONDAY:
MSU Spring Field Guide

TUESDAY:
Michigan State's Achilles Heel

WEDNESDAY:
Michigan State's Greatest Strength

THURSDAY:
MVP Profile - Jerel Worthy

FRIDAY:
Keeping the Enemy Close - Maize and Brew and MSU

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I'm sorry, I like MSU a HELL of a lot more than I like Michigan.

Which is to say, I don’t like Michigan at all and when MSU beats Michigan its a sweet treat. Because it just doesn’t happen that often. We’ll see, RR is 0-2 against the Spartans…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 22, 2010 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Apr 23, 2010 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

RR is 0-2 against Purdue too

Which is also pretty sad.

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by BoilerTMill on Apr 23, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention 0-2 against Illinois

Which is even more pathetic considering how Illinois DIDN’T beat Michigan in the year they got a Rose Bowl they didn’t deserve 2007.

Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, and Wisconsin have slumped since 2007…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 23, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin slumped badly in 2008

but last year was solid.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Apr 24, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

You like MSU a HELL of a lot more than you like Michigan

because MSU’s been a HELL of a lot less successful in football.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 23, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was my point.

Typically, fans dislike the teams that cause their squad the greatest amount of disappointment. Which is largely why the Michigans, Yankees, Dukes, etc. are so hated; they’ve caused everyone a lot of pain because they’re typically really good.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 24, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

MSU beat Fresno St. in the Silicon Valley Bowl in 2001

Yeah I know nothing really to brag about but it shoots down this statement:

“despite being on the cusp of doing something that no Spartan team had done in a decade (win a bowl game), "

I also have a problem with “Dantonio collects mediocre talent and coaches them poorly” the Caper/Baker class was the best we have had in a long time and we somehow found hidden gems like Greg Jones and Worthy.

by RickTheBloggerMartel on Apr 23, 2010 6:49 AM CDT reply actions  

and we realize

That some of Dave’s hit job is hyperbole and good ol’ fashioned shit talking. But it should also be mentioned that Dave knows a ton about MSU football, because in CFB, you really care how your rival is doing, unlike pro football, where you’ll throw basically anything under the bus for the sake of your fantasy team.

This is also a tough, tough time for Michigan fans to write this kind of article. 0-2 v. State/OSU/PSU in the last two years, etc. So it’s commendable that in 2010, Dave took a position more tenable a couple years ago…in the sake of stirring up his never ending disgust for Sparty. Thank you Dave.

by Graham Filler on Apr 23, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh I agree

I don’t have a problem with any and all JLS/ND/VALENTI/MAKE PLAYS type statments or the fact that somehow Plax shot himself….

by RickTheBloggerMartel on Apr 23, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hate to say this

but 2001 was basically a decade ago.

by Aphilfan on Apr 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hear the trend this year, due to the fact that the line might be Pick ‘Em, is massive gambling between friends. Basically both sides think they should/will be the favorite, leading to overconfidence on both sides in making wagers. And yes, it’s April.

by Graham Filler on Apr 23, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not surprising

I’m sure that the mentality of each fanbase is something like:

MSU fan: Our defense must have improved and their offense sucks, we should win.
Michigan fan: Our offense must have improved and their defense sucks, we should win

That said I think the MSU offense vs the Michigan defense will be the real story. Can MSU keep up their aerial blitz of the Big Ten and is the GERG over his head now that he doesn’t have Super Bowl level talent?

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Apr 23, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Appalachian State, 1/2 A National Title since 1948. GO GREEN!

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by WMUWestside on Apr 23, 2010 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Hahahahahahaha Sparty

where to even begin on this one… did you not read the article?

by GregGoBlue on Apr 26, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

"and an Alamo Bowl shellacking at the hands of Texas Tech"

I understand the point of these things. But I question if he actually watched the game.

by LVS on Apr 23, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought the same thing

MSU should have had their ass handed to them in that game. Their receivers had like 1 reception total between them going in. Instead, they hung in there until late in the fourth. They kinda gave up in the last few minutes, which was disappointing, but before then they played hard.

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by Flakbait on Apr 23, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

That game was one of 3 Big Ten bowl losses

that could have just as easily been "W"’s. All that kept a depleted Sparty from winning in Tech’s backyard was the inability of MSU’s coaching staff to adjust to TT’s play-calling. They were hardly “shellacked”.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed watching MSU in that game.

I thought they played pretty damned well for the most part. They showed heart.

by HawkeyeRecon on Apr 26, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're not quite as bumbling as he makes out but

MSU football right now is the tarnished jewel in an otherwise sterling crown of athletic achievement. Our basketball and hockey programs are nationally respected. Our womens hoops, field hockey and our golf programs have experienced success recently.

That’s what exasperates Spartan fans. We know we should have more success in football than we do. We know that it shouldn’t be 20 years between Big Ten titles, shouldn’t be 20 years between Rose Bowl appearances. We have the talent, we have the facilities. We have the fan support…we just don’t have the results.

George Perles in his quest for campus godhood, dealt our football program a serious blow (four different AD’s in a 10 year period) that we are finally recovering from.

Nick Saban for his one great season of 1999 was otherwise a middling coach on the field and an insufferable boor off it. His departure left us with a succession of unprepared/overwhelmed head coaches.

Is Mark Dantonio the second coming of Biggie Munn? Probably not. Yet, he understands our history and wants to return us to prominence. He is gregarious man off the field with fans and supporters. He’s knowledgeable and a breath of fresh air after the past 15 years of disappointment.

I believe we have the pieces in place to turn the MSU/UM matchups into a real on field rivalry: a strong president, a competent (if not exceptional) AD and a grounded, experienced head coach.

If Wisconsin and Purdue can escape from the basement of the conference, creating winning traditions from thin air, there is no reason that MSU with our history and resources can not do the same.

by MSULaxer27 on Apr 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Mac Level Hatcheting

I expect a Michigan fan to be able to do more then bring up Slappy, Plax, and the “brawl”. Any big ten fan could tell me about those.

"You think our war drill is something now. Next year is going to be fist fighting."- Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing...

But hey, maybe writing this article let out some frustration about Maize and Brew’s current situation with their own football program.

by mmwhitman on Apr 27, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad Maize and Brew did this article.

It’s nice that the UM crowd deigned to consider us “rivals” even for one small article. I suppose it would have been the ultimate insult if you had to look outside to the conference to find a rival (um…How you doing Purdue?).

by MSULaxer27 on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I realized

that for this feature they had 2 routes: ask Notre Dame again or ask Michigan or ask a Penn State blogger to talk about how terribly stupid the fake rivalry is.

So either a piece from a team that would talk down to us despite having no business doing so given the last few years or ask PSU why they don’t really fit into the conference.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Apr 23, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

PSU would have been a treat:

“here’s why we love winning a bowling trophy…”

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Apr 23, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't argue with much of the hatchet job........

…….except for one thing:
We don’t care if UM respects us, scoreboard is all the respect we need.
And I fully enjoy taking out decades of football frustration during hoops season.

by Spartan D on Apr 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

The shellackings keep coming in Ann Arbor...

Considering how MSU fans call Michigan’s home arena “Breslin East”…

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 23, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

This year was excellent

We blew them out and home and ripped their heart out on the road.

“I don’t even want to play basketball no more” – DeShawn Sims. That is rivalry, making your opponent feel that badly.

Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

by Seer on Apr 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

More evidence of misery

1997 and 1998. Nick Saban and the Spartans have a two touchdown lead on Purdue with two minutes to go each time, only to lose. 1997 was great as it was the textbook “Blocked Field goal for a TD recovered onside kick, then go score” comeback. This is why I can’t take Saban seriously even now.

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by BoilerTMill on Apr 23, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

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