Big Ten 2010 // Keeping the Enemy Close - Where We Learn the Difference Between Minnesota and Wisconsin Fans
It's that time again. Your cubicle reeks of the onion rings you forgot to throw away from Thursday's lunch, your to-do list is stretching into the weekend, and Tom from one desk over has already left for his beach house...and you hate Tom. Never fear, our own Minnesota writer Jeremy has come to your rescue with some extensive remarks on the Minnesota-Wisconsin football rivalry. I must say - Jeremy's description of "typical" fans is frankly sublime and worth the read.
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The rest of the Midwest groups Minnesota and Wisconsin together nicely: Beer, freezing weather, cheese, weird Canadian accents, etc. What is the biggest difference between your typical Wisconsin fan and your typical Minnesota fan?
Let's get one thing strait: the cheese thing? That is ALL about Wisconsin. I love cheese as much as the next guy, and maybe even a little bit more, but when someone says Cheesehead... they just aren't talking about someone from Minnesota... it's just a fact.

Now the beer, freezing weather, weird accents, okay, I'll give you that. So when it comes to football what makes us different?
Let's define typical. College kids are mostly the same: drunk, stumbling, loud, and overly excited when they hear a mind-numbing techno beat come over the stadium speakers (ed note: Cascada?!! I LOVE Cascada!!), so we can't compare them. It would be redundant. Let's say, for the sake of the argument, the "typical fan" that we're talking about here is in their late 40's, a lifelong resident of said state, a lifelong fan of the school, middle class, and a season ticket holder.
The "typical" Wisconsin fan pounds Old Milwaukee's before the game, take pulls off of a bottle of Windsor in the tailgating lot, stumbles to the stadium, hurls obscenities at the opposing fans before the game and during the first quarter, begins to sober up in the second quarter, by the end of the halftime they are befriending the people they were slurring obscenities at, and by the end of the game their telling you that even though your team sucks, you played a good game.
The "typical" Minnesota fan sips on a few Summit Extra Pale Ale's before the game, possibly passes around a glass of Knob Creek in the tailgating lot, walks quietly to the stadium, stews silently when seeing opposing fans, during the second quarter wishes he had gotten more drunk before the game, by the end of halftime they are still stewing silently at the sight of opposing fans, and by the end of the game are thinking about the cooler in the tailgating lot that still has plenty of booze in it.
So, what it really boils down to is this... the difference between the typical Badger fan and the typical Gopher fan is that the Badger fan tailgates and watches their games in a college town, and they act accordingly. The Gopher fan tailgates and watches their games in a metropolitan area... and they act accordingly.
How in God's name can Minnesota beat the stacked and hungry Badgers this year?
"It's a rivalry game... anything can happen."
Next.
Just kidding. The fact is that Tim Brewster hasn't been able to figure Bielema out yet, and the answer to how the Gophers can beat Wisky this year is really in his hands. If the team begins to do the small things better, doesn't turn over the ball, plays physical, and can neutralize the battle at the line of scrimmage, they can beat Wisconsin. Unfortunately, the formula that I just described isn't something that Wisconsin needs to learn to do... they've been doing it since the Alvarez days, and nobody does it better year in and year out. In order to beat Wisconsin you have to find a way to beat them at their own game. The alternative is swinging for the fences early and often, which almost never works.

What is your level of dislike towards Wisconsin fans, the state of Wisconsin, the football program of Wisconsin, etc?
Many Gopher fans are probably going to disown me for this, and vehemently disagree with me, but I don't hate, or even really dislike Wisconsin fans. The truth is that the typical Wisconsin fan is my favorite type of football fan. They love their team. They get blitzed before the game. They want to hate you, but they just don't have it in them. They'd rather have you join their tailgate and enjoy some good-natured back and forth ribbing, then honestly crush your will to live. (When you ask me this question in a couple of weeks about a team that resides to our south, you will get a VERY different answer.)
And because of the people, I cannot hate the state of Wisconsin either. The state of Wisconsin has many things that I envy... The Harley Davidson Museum, Miller Brewery, Leinenkugel's Brewery, Miller Park, Alpine Valley Music Theatre, and most importantly, their liquor stores are open on Sunday
In regards to the Wisconsin football program... that's easy. I hate them because they are exactly what I want the Minnesota football program to be. They are competitive every year. They recruit their state very well... they recruit tough, physical kids who do all of the little things right. I hate them because they are so damned conservative, and therefore don't make very many mistakes. I hate them because they never seem to play particularly well against us, and we never seem to play particularly poorly against them, but we just can't get over that hump.
How does it feel to lose 6 in a row to your rivals, not to mention the last three in heart breaking fashion?
How does it feel to lose 6 in a row to your rivals? Well Graham, I could ask you the same question... you're a Michigan fan aren't you? (ed note: thanks.ass.)

Honestly, it sucks, I hate it, and it literally has sometimes kept me up at night. I honestly don't understand why Minnesota can't become the kind of program that Wisconsin is, and so, on a yearly basis for the past 6 years, I have to be reminded of this.
The thing about the Minnesota/Wisconsin rivalry is that it just has so much history. We're talking about 12 decades of border battles that started with two teams playing for a Slab of Bacon... I mean what's more romantic than THAT! It's BACON for F sake!!! It's the oldest rivalry in major college football and as a fan of either team you can't help but get caught up in the history and the meaning behind it all.
And that's why losing that game is such a stomach punch.
Look, when it comes right down to it, I have to defer to Russ Mantooth when it comes to Wisconsin football: "From deep down in my stomach, with every inch of me, I pure, strait, HATE you. But damnit do I respect you."

This week...
MONDAY: Spring Field Guide
TUESDAY: Wisconsin's Achilles Heel
WEDNESDAY: Wisconsin's Greatest Strength
THURSDAY: MVP Profile - J.J. Watt
FRIDAY: Keeping the Enemy Close
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More Big Ten 2010...
Indiana | Michigan | Illinois | Minnesota | Purdue | Michigan State | Northwestern
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They can get married in ours, though.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I love the editors note.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on May 7, 2010 7:00 AM CDT reply actions
The Wisconsin fans are not as bad as Iowa fans
but I can’t say “the typical Wisconsin fan is my favorite type of football fan”
WHO HATES IOWA!!!
"they're calling insane hogs???"
hate all you want
we’re still gonna hang 55 on you and defile your bathrooms
Keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either, Dude.
by AcrimoniousAngerererer on May 7, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Careful.
We don’t want to upset the Gophers and give them the motivation needed to score some points on the Hawkeyes this year.
by The Mexican't on May 7, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Motivation, schmotivation.
If 55-0 didn’t do it, nothing will. And despite having a fair number of chances last year (which they did not have in the 55-0 demolition), they still got nothin’.
Clayborn and Klug are just giddy that they have one more chance to kill Weber.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Weber's still ALIVE?
Angerer screwed THAT one up…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I love this
It’s a post about wisonsin, but the goopher fans just have to bring up how much they hate Iowa. That’s OK, you keep hatin’, we’ll keep winning.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
couldn't find one smaller, but still...

Keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either, Dude.
by AcrimoniousAngerererer on May 7, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
But remember
They don’t consider Iowa a true rival. They just bring us up all the time because they really don’t care about us at all. Yeah, that’s it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
No
to me anyway, I wan’t to beat the hawkeyes more than anyone else.
But I will root for them in whatever bowl game they are playing in, like any other Big Ten team.
"they're calling insane hogs???"
I enjoyed this bit
sips on a few Summit Extra Pale Ale’s before the game, possibly passes around a glass of Knob Creek in the tailgating lot
which implies that urban = urbane. Seriously, Jeremy, get with the program. Summit is so 2000; it’s all about Surly Brewing these days. I guess the high-end booze is more practical for Minnesota fans, though…with far fewer fans around them than at Wisconsin what are the odds they’ll have to share?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
as a Hawkeye in badger country all I can say is
PBR me ASAP!
Keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either, Dude.
by AcrimoniousAngerererer on May 7, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Surly...yum
They are also very cruel; I nearly got divorced over the fact that I spent close to $200 on Smoke, Abrasive and Four in the past two months.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on May 7, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Coffee Bender
is one of the most delicious things I’ve ever imbibed. Destroys the “canned beer” myth.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 7, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Coffee Bender is great indeed
I wish I would have paid attention to Twitter; one of the great beer bars in downtown Minneapolis had either a keg or a firkin of Vanilla Chocolate Coffee Bender late last week. I would have drove my car on sidewalks full of old people and school children to have me a taste of that.
"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."
by Twin Cities Hawk on May 10, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Is there a font
that implies drooling?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I guess we’ve found one thing Gopher and Hawkeye fans can agree upon: Coffee Bender is incredible.
www.gopherfootball.blogspot.com
If you have taste buds
then it’s hard not to love that beer.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 16, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
How Minnesota fans feel about.....
Wisconsin= Hate and Respect
Iowa= Hate and Disgust (sex in the filthy Metrodome speaks more about you, than us)
Nobody is claiming the sex couple as great Hawkeye representatives.
It’s just fun to say that the fans did more scoring than the Gophers during that Saturday afternoon.
by The Mexican't on May 7, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, there's the historical record that we all knew was coming.
How about the record in the last, oh, 20 years (14-6 Iowa)? Or even, 40 years (22-17-1 Iowa)? You still want to claim that Minnesota is anything but a program that was great before most of us were born?
by The Mexican't on May 7, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
How about the gratuitous pre-Rose Bowl National Championship?
Minnesota LOST the Rose Bowl, by the way.
Minnesota hasn’t won a Big Ten title since the late 60s. That’s a ridiculous streak of futility that only Indiana could possibly eclipse. That’s…pretty sad. And since I am a Wisconsin fan, it’s totally acceptable.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
I think Indiana has a more recent (barely) Big Ten championship than Minnesota. Or, at the very least, they’ve been to the Rose Bowl more recently than our beloved rodents from the North Country.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
THAT is just sad.
Minnesota’s most recent Rose Bowl appearance was the 1962 Rose Bowl. (!)
Indiana’s most recent Rose Bowl appearance was the 1968 Rose Bowl.
Minnesota “won” a National Championship BEFORE the 1962 Rose Bowl. They lost to Washington 17-7. So, the Huskies SHOULD have gotten a championship, and by today’s standards, they would have.
Someone needs to go back and determine who REALLY won all these National Championships. You win a title and lose your bowl game? I’m sorry, but the only time that happened recently was the infamous Oklahoma-LSU National Championship game. Oklahoma LOST to K-State in the B12 Championship and still made the National Title. WTF? We’ll never find out who really won that year…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's been done
The retrospective mythical national championships, at least. But it is all speculative, and since it doesn’t carry the weight/impriatur of an established poll, is even more mythical than national championships already are.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You better watch out
You’re starting to sound like a Northwestern fan.
We play Minnesota every single year.
We can use a more recent time span. The 15 year time span used in the jNW thread only had 8 or so actual games played. Iowa’s dominance over Minnesota is a far cry from what jNW has done to Iowa recently.
by The Mexican't on May 7, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That's like a fan of Army or the University of Chicago talking smack.
You’re irrelevant and have been for a looooong time.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 7, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF?
What is 39-34-2? It’s not the Iowa vs Minn record. It’s not the Wisco vs Minn record. Is it your gubenetorial party affiliation (39 Dem, 34 Rep, 2 WWF). What is it?
As long as we’re playing, I’ve got one.
67-0.
Facts sometimes have a strange and bizarre power that makes their inherent truth seem unbelievable. - Werner Herzog
To further the point regarding Minnesota's football relevance
the Big Ten Network has recently come up a series of bobblehead dolls depicting the sports icons for its member schools. Ohio State’s Jesse Owens aside (because it’s Jesse Owens!), Illinois’ and Minnesota’s “icons” perfectly represent the point at which their programs were last relevant.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 8, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
And Indiana has (Name redacted)
I want to punch his bobbly little face.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on May 8, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
When you punch him
he calls you “asshole.”
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 8, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I would so buy that Chuck Long one.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
I wonder if the Fitz bobblehead
comes with breaking-leg action.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 11, 2010 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Only when it plays with the Iowa bobbleheads, I think.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Also: it's a shame they didn't choose Juice for Illinois' bobblehead.
It would have been realistically-sized and everything.
"I want to be a cowboy. I don't want to be a panda. Pandas are boring, stupid and boring. Bad panda!"
Thought about it some more
The truth is that the typical Wisconsin fan is my favorite type of football fan
you must never have gone to a Penn State home game.
"they're calling insane hogs???"
Not as much Miley Cyrus played in Madison.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 7, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, maybe not as many large drunk guys dancing and singing along to Miley Cyrus.
by The Mexican't on May 7, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
party in the PLEASE GOD STOP PLAYING THAT SONG
by Graham Filler on May 7, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
which is better
than when the Britney song was on.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 7, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on May 7, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Penn State fans typically ditch the game by the time Iowa scores the game clinching TD...
Not really. Beaver Stadium typically goes crazy around the opponent’s first offensive possession (what a mouthful). PSU fans are pretty good, though, and they’ve got a great team to cheer for (football, I won’t subject people like rambler to reminiscing about the bball team).
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Our basketball team is horsecrap and we don't care about them.
I just wanted to get that out of the way.
"I want your money, but I don't want your two cents." - JVP
by ReadingRambler on May 7, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Michigan fans may be in the same boat...
They swept Minnesota (HA!) but they got swept by Wisconsin (neither time was especially close) and MSU so crushed them I don’t know whether Michigan wants to play the Spartan bball team again. Ever.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I saw on the Journey
MSU crushed them so bad that DeShawn Sims didn’t “even want to play basketball no more.” That is what beating your rival should be about.
Light a man a fire, he'll stay warm for a day.
Light a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Michigan's rival is Minnesota in basketball...
Those two games were the only ones the Wolverines really showed up to play in O_o. (Of course, they let Evan Turner hit a game winner in the Big Ten Tournament)
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy did graham ever take a shot from Jeremy...
Should we mention that Michigan ALSO handed Minnesota a humiliating loss in 2008? Worse than humiliating, actually, it burst the Gopher bubble that came after a 7-1 start…followed by the folly of 6 consecutive losses, one of which I personally saw in Camp Randall. 35-32. Minnesota led 21-7 at one point, and then they lost to the perhaps the most inconsistent team in the Big Ten, the 2009 Wisconsin Badgers.
Ultimately, both Wisconsin and Minnesota finished with identical records, followed by one of the worst Big Ten postseasons in recent memory: 7-6. And as a Wisconsin fan, when you have to look to IOWA for postseason hopes, you are in desperate straights.
We still beat Minnesota, though. We can say THAT…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 7, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
congratulations, Minnesota
you met defeat at the hands of Nick Sheridan. NICK SHERIDAN. That guy couldn’t start at quarterback for most D-III schools….
That alone is reason to roll in the dust of futility, but it's nothing new for Minnesota...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Old Milwaukee? You've got to be kidding!
I don’t object to most of what you stated about Wisconsin fans, but Old Mil? Give me a break! The Wisconsin fans of your 40 year+ vintage are some of the biggest beer snobs around. As one said “The great thing about micro/craft beers is you can have a beer and still appear pretentious.”
I think the biggest difference between Minnesota fans and Wisconsin fans (and I have lived in both states) is that UW fans aren’t afraid to laugh at themselves and generally even enjoy it.
I base most of my fashion taste on what doesn't itch.
Gilda Radner
You may have nailed it.
UW fans aren’t afraid to laugh at themselves and generally even enjoy it.
At the risk of sounding racist (although as Frank on ‘30 Rock’ recently observed, “if it’s racism against white people it can’t be offensive because we’re successful”), the largely Polish/German stock of Wisconsin tends to be a bit more jovial in nature than the largely austere, Scandinavian masses of Minnesota.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 8, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Uffda!
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 9, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions

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