Evaluating the Mechanics of Big Ten Quarterbacks - Adam Weber
I'm not the biggest Adam Weber fan in the land of 10,000 lakes. I want the guy to be successful, but he has made me want to poke my eyeballs out more than I care to remember.
But the fact with Adam Weber is that he has the potential to be a very good quarterback if he's put in the right situation. The unfortunate thing for him, and Gopher fans, is that he hasn't been put into that situation yet.
I tend toward an emotional response on these types of matters when it comes to my favorite squad, but today I intend to look at Weber with a more objective view as we continue our series looking at the mechanics of the signal callers in the Big Ten.
Big Ten Report Card:
4. Ricky Stanzi (B+)
5. Dan Persa (B+/A-)
Snap (B-):
· Security/Ball Placement (A-): Prior to ’09 Weber worked almost exclusively out of the shotgun, and while he was under center more in ’09, he still was more comfortable standing up. He takes the snap well and protects the ball well, holding it to the numbers prepared for a quick release.
· Retreat Speed (A-): Pretty quick pulling away from center and gets to his drop point quickly. Does a good job of keeping the field in front of him when he isn’t faking play-action.
· Footwork (B): Very sure footed on the snap, but tends to look jumpy, especially when pressure is coming, which mostly manifests itself in the feet.
· The Fake (C): Mechanics of his fake are a bit dramatic, but generally good. Unfortunately the fake is not very effective for the Gophers, which can’t necessarily be blamed on Weber. (see How the Offense Affects Mechanics)
· Adaptation (C): Seems to be a bit more comfortable, and often more accurate, moving outside of the pocket. Has more of a tendency to check down his throwing options when he’s on the move. If the pocket remains he tends to key on his primary receiver and gets into trouble when the primary isn’t open.
Release (B-):
· Survey (D): Again, does not check down his options well and tends to key on one receiver. This is easily my biggest gripe with Weber and has been for 3 years. He just doesn’t give himself enough options on throws to be successful. He has a huge tendency to key on his primary target and force the ball into a tight spot which often leads to high, inaccurate throws, that can get his receivers in trouble, get the balls batted into the air, or intercepted.
· Stance (A): Very upright and tall. Has a good command of the pocket and can sense when things are breaking down. Holds the ball in good position for a quick release.
· Step (A): A good strong step to go with his relatively strong arm. No issues here.
· Wrist/Throw (B+): Has a bit of a ¾ delivery, not quite a sidearm. Has quick and powerful throws in short distance and can really get some "stank" on the ball from a good snap of the wrist.
How the Offense Affects Mechanics (C):
The offense that Jedd Fisch had Adam Weber running just wasn’t suited to Weber. It was too complicated, gave him too many options, and many times forced him to make throws that he just wasn’t comfortable with. Nothing about Fisch’s offense lent itself to making Adam Weber a success.
Because the Gopher running game was nothing short of abysmal in 2009, the play-action fake was completely ineffective, and I would argue that even perfect mechanics on the fake wouldn’t have made this a top rated area for Weber.
Weber is a good athlete with very good tools when they are used correctly, but he does a better job leading the offense when he gets to lead with his athleticism, and not his head. This really isn’t a knock on Weber, but the truth is that when he’s been the most successful has been when he has been given the freedom to move around and the freedom to tuck-and-run if needed.
Graham wanted me to mention a few things that his slightly more technical eye has noticed...
PROMISE ME you will mention his inability to make a simple out throw because he doesn't trust his arm and body. Promise me.
Promise me you will mention his inability to be effective under pressure and the times he blindly heaves balls when HIS ENTIRE HEAD TURNS AWAY FROM WHERE HE'S THROWING IT TOO.
Overall: B-
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I just don't get Brewster
I thought Minnesota’s offense with the spread was effective, and Weber seemed to do well in it. Their coversion to a pro set offense with a couple of spread looks, after recruiting spread guys for a couple of years, was baffling to me.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
by Ted Glover on Jul 1, 2010 8:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'd like to believe...
that he realized he just didn’t have the horses to run a true spread, but that’s probably just wishful thinking.
"We're talking about unchecked aggression here, Dude."
The Rivalry, Esq.
I've always wondered...
if it was more a clash between Brew and Dunbar that resulted in the change rather than a desire to change the scheme based on personnel.
I think I agree with you there...
The biggest issue with Dunbar was that Brew wanted Dunbar to put in a pro package for short yardage situations. Dunbar is a true disciple of the spread and refused to make this change as it ran counter to his personal philosophy.
I think Horton was a great hire (guy who runs a simplified offense and has a history of getting the most out of his QBs) and am happy where the offense is headed (Davis and Watson are really solid coaches as well). I also wonder had Brewster hired Horton a year ago instead of Fisch, maybe Horton would have felt like he had time to install the Pistol (which he helped pioneer). THAT is currently my favorite offense and is the only thing that makes Indiana football fun to watch.
But when I look at the skillsets of Weber and MQ Gray, I do sometimes wish we had kept the spread.
If he didn't have the horses
I would think that he would’ve embraced the spread even more. It’s a great partial equalizer, in that it can give a team a chance to compete, as long as they have relatively athletic players at skill positions. Teams like Minnesota can’t compete week in and week out with the top of the conference, and need mismatches that the spread can produce to be able to win consistently in the Big Ten.
As far as having the horses, Minnesota has consistently produced decent offensive players—Maroney, Barber, Weber, Eric Decker, Matt Spaeth, etc. I think Weber can play, but he has regressed. Marquise Gray looks like he can be an exciting player…and a prototypical spread guy.
So I disagree that the Gophers don’t have the horses, but completely switching gears offensively was foolish.
I thought with a couple more recruiting classes, Brewster was on his way to making Minnesota a serious player for a New Year’s Day Bowl.
And then he completely switched gears.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
And then he completely switched gears.
Are we sure, and I mean COMPLETELY sure, that Minnesota fired Glen Mason?
<looks up Brewster’s record vs. Wisconsin> Yeah…
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Ehh
Out of all the Big Ten quarterbacks, Weber and the QB from Indiana, are the ones I didn’t watch too much, if at all.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Jul 1, 2010 9:34 AM CDT reply actions
QB from Indiana... Chappell?
I unfortunately got to watch Chappell slice and dice Wisconsin’s defense on national TV. He was a big reason that game was so close, and why Indiana lost.
Chappell infamously blew the game against Iowa by throwing a pass which, in pinball like fashion, found a racing Iowa DB for a touchdown. It was sickening.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 1, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
thats the name!!
Was on the tip of my tongue..I only watched him when he played the Buckeyes.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Jul 1, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Chappell may be the best IU QB since the days of Antwaan Randle El...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 1, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a pretty bold statement.
Have you forgotten the glory of Kellen Lewis? I think the University of Indiana hopes you have.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Jul 2, 2010 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Indiana University.
Careful, they’re a touchy (if invisible) bunch. Honestly, I think Chappell is a better pure quarterback than Randle El and I’ve seen both in person and on TV plenty of times.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Jul 2, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Iowa fans don't want to remember the Legend of Kellen Lewis
Given how well he and James Hardy worked against the Hawkeyes.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 2, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Shada covering Hardy
Was the worst idea ever. And made Lewis looked like an all-pro.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
It's no problem to remember Lewis...
Hardy on the other hand. Yes, I definitely want to forget.
Where’s Shada’s Revenge when we need him?
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