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Is Ohio State the Most Consistent Program in College Football?

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The Big Show on 97.1 The Fan Sports Radio in Columbus did an interesting feature this afternoon on the number of elite programs in college football that have been inexplicable victims of a competitive recession.  Although Michigan remains the all time winningest program in the history of the game, they're currently the poster boy for the sleeping giant syndrome.  Notre Dame remains on life support after slipping into a coma of mediocrity sometime around 1996.  It wasn't too long ago that Alabama was a 3-8 football team.  Almighty Florida was pretty much irrelevant prior to 1984, and was a model of inconsistency under Ron Zook.  After back-to-back championships in 1994 and 1995, Nebraska went into hibernation for over a decade.  Miami was a blip on the radar before 1979, and has only began to restore its "swagger" after an ugly 2006 on-field brawl. USC went 37-35 from 1996 to 2001, barely filling the Colosseum half full during that time.  Texas posted losing seasons in 1988, 1989, 1991, and 1997 -- where an embarrassing 4-7 finish ushered in the Mack Brown era.

When it comes to the NCAA ruling class it appears that the bigger you are, the harder you fall.  Yet if there's any exception to the rule it seems to be at Ohio State, where the Buckeyes have gone eight decades without a major slump.  The Buckeyes have racked up 34 Big Ten titles in 98 years.  That's one title every 2.88 years on average. 

It's a nice stat, but pure averages don't tell us much when it comes to consistency.  After all, Alabama's 22 SEC wins in 78 years give it a slightly lower average than the Buckeyes (2.82 years), but the Crimson Tide were MIA for the better part of the Aughts.

Let's take a fresh approach to the question of what program is the most consistent in college football, one that starts and ends with losing seasons.  In this article, I compare and contrast seven elite programs (Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, USC, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Ohio State) based on the number of times they've finished with more losses than wins.

Why is this a good measure of consistency? 

It's simple.  Elite programs should never lose more than they win.  Ever.  That's because the major players have the deck stacked in their favor.  They have the largest fanbases so they pull in the most revenue.  They also get the most exposure.  The spoils translate to better facilities which bring the best recruits.  The best athletes give the programs a competitive advantage, which translates to more money, exposure and influence.  It's a positive feedback loop that allows the rich to get richer.

Anytime a team with these innate advantages fails to hit .500, they are the definition of inconsistency.

You left out Florida, Miami, Florida State, and Penn State.  What gives?

Don't get me wrong.  All of those programs are modern elites.  Each boasts a contemporary dynasty which delivered multiple titles and scores of exposure.  Each is chalk full of history, tradition, and passion.

The problem is that college football has been played for 120 years, and a consistency evaulation demands teams that have reached the pinnacle of the sport in more than one or two decades.  Each of the seven teams I picked has won national championships in at least three different decades, and also appears in the Top 10 for all time wins in college football.

Let's get to the analysis.

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First let's look at the number of losing seasons each program has:

Program Losing Seasons
Ohio State 12
Texas 12
Notre Dame 13
Oklahoma 13
Alabama 13
Michigan 17
USC 18


Although five of the seven programs have a relatively similar number of losing seasons Michigan and USC are outliers.  Michigan suffered losing seasons in 1881, 1883, 1889, 1891, 1919, 1928, 1934, 1936, 1951, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1967, 2008, and 2009.  USC finished with a losing record in 1891, 1895, 1896, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1915, 1934, 1935, 1940, 1941, 1950, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1983, 1991, and 2000.

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Because these two programs have disproportionately put up losing efforts, neither can be the most consistent program in college football.

Next, let's look at the average period between losing seasons for the remaining five programs:

Program Average Number of Years Between Losing Seasons
Texas 5.82
Oklahoma 8.58
Ohio State 8.9
Alabama 9.25
Notre Dame 9.91


The higher the number the more consistent a program has been.  After all, if you're not losing you're winning.  Although Texas and Ohio State both have the same number of losing seasons, the fact that Texas has a smaller average number of years in between means that the Longhorns are more likely to lose in batches.  This "cluster" effect (e.g. more than one losing season in a row) is bad for consistency.

Accordingly, Texas is out.

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They clean up nice though.

Turning to the remaining four programs, each has a relatively similar average number of years between failures.  To distinguish them from one another let's look at the data a little more closely.  

Back-to-Back Losing Seasons

The only thing worse than one losing effort is two losing seasons in a row.  Three losing seasons in a row is an outright abomination.  Here's how the programs compare year by year.

Ohio State
Losing Seasons: 1890, 1893, 1897, 1898, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1943, 1947, 1959, 1966, 1988

The good news is that four of the Buckeyes' losing seasons came in the nineteenth century in the first decade of the program's existence.  The bad news is a back-to-back-to-back slide from 1922 to 1924.  Still, only 3 of Ohio State's 12 seasons to forget occurred after 1950.  It's been 22 years since the scarlet slid below .500.

Notre Dame
Losing Seasons: 1887, 1888, 1933, 1956, 1960, 1963, 1981, 1985, 1986, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2007

Unlike the Buckeyes, the Irish have done most of their damage in modern times.  Six of Notre Dame's 13 losing seasons came after 1980 although the Irish ran a pretty clean ship for the first half of the twentieth century.  The Irish were most recently hit with a losing season in 2007.

Alabama
Losing Seasons: 1893, 1895, 1900, 1903, 1951, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1984, 1997, 2000, 2003

Alabama fans would like to forget the 1950s, a decade in which the Crimson Tide registered 5 losing seasons.  Bama was bitten by the bug again at the turn of the millennium, suffering three losing seasons from 1997 to 2003.

Oklahoma
Losing Seasons: 1895, 1897, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1960, 1965, 1996, 1997, 1998

But for inexplicable back-to-back-to-back losing seasons from 1996 to 1998 Oklahoma would look a lot like Ohio State.  Still, the fact that the Sooner's record has two black holes can't be ignored.

So what do you think?  Is Ohio State the most consistent program in college football?

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by PurdueMatt on Aug 11, 2010 7:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting article.
Each is chalk full of history, tradition, and passion.

The word you are looking for sir, is chock.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 13, 2010 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

It just be that my memory is bad but

 it sure seemed like ‘we’ (small we meaning grew up in a small town east of Columbus, was….shall we say too unathletic to play football, but loved watching the Buckeyes ) were “The Very model of a modern Major General” for a few years prior to Tressel.

by sdysart on Aug 11, 2010 7:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh where oh where has my editor gone

Please insert the word ‘may’ or ‘only’ between ‘it’ and ‘just’ in the subject line.

by sdysart on Aug 11, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’d throw out some of the really old seasons for this analysis. In 1890, Ohio St was 1-3, in 1889, Michigan was 1-2, these probably shouldn’t count. I’d only count seasons where the team played at least 6-7 games.

Also, it’d be interesting to look at seasons where the teams are even .500 or only a game or two over. For these programs 6-5 or 6-6 is still considered a terrible season.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Sigh.

I really want to rehash my “college football debates should begin with 1950” argument, but I don’t have the time/energy today. Needless to say I agree with your first paragraph.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 11, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Then what wil Michigan talk about?!?!

What happens to all those club team championships?

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Northwestern objects!

Because everyone knows that college football only began in 1995. Any memory of football played before that is simply an example of collective delusion.

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by HoyaGoon on Aug 11, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

….there was really no football between about 1973 and 1995. I think we’re fine with other periods of time, overall.

by Chadnudj on Aug 11, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course...

….there also have been no Iowa-Northwestern games played at Kinnick in the last, 5 years, right? Just wanted to make sure…

by Chadnudj on Aug 11, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

no bowl games since 1949?

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Flip that burger

because it’s burnt on that side!

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Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with this take, in the fact that you would have to consider within 2 games of .500 would be considered a poor season. This would be a very interesting to see how this would change the look of the list if you do take it into consideration. Also, should bowl game wins and what bowl game you go to be considered as well?

by GopherPuck29 on Aug 11, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and No

Taking bowl game victories into consideration would be fair, but not the “what bowl game” part. How “good” a bowl game is is too subjective and the Big 10 didn’t allow any but the Rose Bowl for a long time. The last 15 years or so have seen an explosion in the number of bowls and how many contracts the conferences have. Also, there is the matter of teams getting jumped by lower ranked teams because of better TV ratings and ticket sales.

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by Flakbait on Aug 11, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Penn State

is a modern elite? I’ll tell that to Rip Engle and Lenny Moore. Or the 1968 and 1969 Undefeated teams. Good analysis, overall, but PSU is an historical elite. The Dark Ages 2000-2004 were bad, but they’re also Paterno’s only losing seasons, ever.

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by pricecheck on Aug 11, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree.

Why was PSU left off the list in the article when they are a Top 10 winningest program ever AND are in the conference the blog represents? Aside from the aforementioned Dark Years (which every team but OSU appears to have, according to the argument), we have been historically elite. Oh well.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 11, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

My understanding

Is that the university officially recognizes only two national championships: 1982 and 1986. Even counting the 1968 and 1969 teams, that’s still only two decades.

To limit the field of teams with a legitimate claim, I artificially restricted the field to teams that have reached the pinnacle of the sport in three or more different eras.

Is Penn State one of the most consistently successful teams in the sport? No doubt. But I don’t think you can argue they have been the single most successful team in light of the sport’s 120 history.

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by Jonathan Franz on Aug 11, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to split hairs here...

I understand your reasons, and don’t have a problem with them at all. PSU only recognizes 2 national championships, it’s true, but there have been undefeated teams in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Not saying PSU is the greatest program of all time, it just struck me as odd that PSU would be considered a “modern elite” akin in Miami or Florida State who didn’t exist as national programs before the late 70s/early 80s. Again, good analysis

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by pricecheck on Aug 11, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I shouldn’t have grouped PSU with the other modern elites. You guys are certainly on a different level.

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by Jonathan Franz on Aug 11, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is that sarcasm I read?

Hummm.

Might as well give you a rec ;P

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Aug 11, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there needs to be clarification on the word consistent. Consistently good? Consistently great? Consistently great nationally?

But yes, way to give a true nod to CFB history.

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by Graham Filler on Aug 11, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

We're not looking for the BEST team in college football

We’re looking for the team that has most consistently competed at a high level for the longest amount of time.

Consistently great is probably the best way to label that.

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by Jonathan Franz on Aug 11, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

PSU Losing seasons

Just for kicks:
1888, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900, 1913, 1918, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1932, 1936, 1938, 1988, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004

18 losing seasons. Without the 2000-2004 stretch they might have a pretty good argument, only 1 losing season other than those since 1940.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for putting that together

Even if I had included Penn State they would have been cut after step 1 along with USC and Michigan.

Again, the Nittany Lions are an excellent program. But comparing the above records with the data from Ohio State and Oklahoma I don’t think you can objectively say they are the most consistent. Top 10? Of course. Top 5? Arguably.

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by Jonathan Franz on Aug 11, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

They’re probably between 6-10. The 7 programs you picked are the top 7 in all-time winning pct and the top 7 since 1900. If you do 1950-current, PSU and Nebraska jump in the top 7, ’Bama drops to 8th, and ND falls to 11th.

by et_pitt on Aug 11, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

7 of which....

….were pre-1920.

If Red Grange hadn’t played college football yet, I think you should exclude it from your study….

by Chadnudj on Aug 11, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice column...

…if a bit slanted. I mean, is it really fair to factor in seasons in the 19th Century, when the Ivy League teams dominated? (I would have looked at the teams on your “greats” list and picked the first season all of them were playing football as my starting point). Or to leave off Penn State? (For the reasons stated above….I would have made sure to include all of the Top 10 winningest programs) Not to mention selection bias to a certain degree in your criteria (if you reverse the order of what you used to narrow things down, you might have resulted in different results)…..

Still, a VERY good column (these are just nitpicks). And I’d say there is an argument for Ohio State as the most consistently good program in college football, although I think you shortchanged Michigan (much as it pains me to say it — 5 of their losing seasons happend pre-1920)….

I’m begging you, though, for my sake — please do not do a column on Whether Northwestern is the Most Consistently Terrible Program in College Football…..first, it’s clearly not true (34 game losing streak notwithstanding)….second, it would cause me too much pain when I’m eagerly anticipating/dreaming that Fitz and the Cats find a way to be 8-0 heading into Happy Valley on November 6…..

by Chadnudj on Aug 11, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Simply Put

yes…Ohio State is EASILY the most consistent team in CFB, pre or post 1950

and State Penn fans…stop whining and win an outright B10 title, then you can come sit at the big boys table and puff out your chests

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by BuckeyeSki on Aug 11, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Ah, I thought it felt more douchey in here.

Win an outright B10 title? We did that, in 2005 and 2008.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 11, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

2005 & 2008 were epic fails for State Penn

you WOULD HAVE won, if you could just beat other teams too

thats why tOSU is a few months away from their 6th straight conf. championship

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by BuckeyeSki on Aug 11, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I have a different definition of epic fail than you.

2005 – lose to UM on a last second play, beat OSU, win BCS bowl. Clear epic fail.
2008 – lose to Iowa on last second FG, beat OSU, lose Rose Bowl to roided up, cheating Trojans that would have beaten 17 NFL teams. EPIC fail.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 11, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

i think his point is that since psu lost those conference games

psu was not a stand alone conf champ.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have any trophies from those years

As I was not on the team.

OSU can claim them if PSU can, that’s for sure.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that's not for sure.

Penn State beat Ohio State. I understand your argument – the B10 recognizes it as a co-championship, so why can’t we? But as a fan, really? Your team lost to the other team that finished with one loss…is that really a conference championship?

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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 11, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

2005, OSU beats MichAGAIN who beat OSU

rules are rules anyway

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan lost to Minnesota that year, so

EPIC FAIL!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

the LOLverines!!!

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

They also lost to ND

which OSU happily destroyed in the BCS.

Wisconsin defeated Michigan, and OSU defeated Michigan. But Ohio State and Wisconsin didn’t face each other at all.

CURSE YOU BIG TEN LAYOFF!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

champ game is coming

congrats penn state, you can now lose outright conf championships in an outright manner!

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, that season ended badly for Wisconsin

You do not close out the season well by LOSING to Iowa. Minnesota hasn’t learned this lesson.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Losing to Iowa?

You mean that actually happens?

Wow.

by buckyor on Aug 11, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

2004 for us.

that was ugly.

2005 was revenge against mr hellicopter arms though

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two words to describe 2004: Justin. Zwackiness.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 16, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

see my tag line in response to your "last second" losses.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

apprently you did
2005 – lose to UM on a last second play, beat OSU, win BCS bowl. Clear epic fail.
2008 – lose to Iowa on last second FG, beat OSU, lose Rose Bowl to roided up, cheating Trojans that would have beaten 17 NFL teams. EPIC fail.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

apparently*, FML

don’t need PSU fans jumping on my typing skills or lack there of as a logical argument of theirs starts to crumble.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said the losses counted as wins.

I said that a one loss season and a one loss regular season do not equal epic fail.

Apparently.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 11, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Epic Fail is a bit much

I let my State Penn hatred blind me. But, either way, its a shared championship cuz your team couldnt get it done on the field. I wasnt in the board room when the rules were made, I can only abide by them

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by BuckeyeSki on Aug 11, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

PSUJunny05 furiously typing away

Dear Commissioner Delaney….

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

+100

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by BuckeyeSki on Aug 11, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Junny, you don't get to claim less-impactful losses to roided up, cheating USC

unless ’02 Iowa, ’03 & ’06 Michigan, ’07 Illinois and ’08 & ’09 tOSU do, too.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's a PSU fan, logic like that does not exist

much like outright championships

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

And where Thad Matta nurtures one-and-dones into NBA Draft selections...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a dumb rule

hate the one and done rule with the NBA

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Without it, you would NEVER have made the NCAA Tournament Final

nor LOST it!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

very true.

although, i think oden never comes to OSU conley might and cook would have been there.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

To hell with UNLV

And Florida and UCLA…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the same could be said of Iowa

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

wish i could find a pic of iowa fans holding up their shoes inthe stands

google has, for once in my life, failed me.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can find ISU players on sandbag duty...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If our team ever wins a national title

I’m sure our fans won’t be asking for the coach’s head if he loses another two MNC games.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should hope not.

That’s something that drives me absolutely nuts.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is kind of where I was going with the post that you responded to.

tOSU has no idea how good they have it, Iowa (or just about any other Big Ten program) is not so spoiled…Except Michigan. Lloyd Carr sounds pretty good about now, no?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with 100% on the spoiledness

I’ll have a post up on ITS within the next couple of weeks that talks about just that.

LLLoyd is better than RFraud any day. He was at least an opponent that you could respect.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Tressel is welcome on tOSU sidelines as long as he wants to be there as far as Im concerned

Plus, I havent sweat a mich game since Lllloyd was dismissed

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by BuckeyeSki on Aug 11, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

IU is the most consistent program...

consistently awful, that is.

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by PurdueMatt on Aug 11, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

HA rec'd

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I demand 100% more Nebraska

That is all

So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!

by Amonra on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

100% of zero is.....

wish granted!

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Without question

I hate OSU, more than anything. But without question they are the most consistent program.
And will continue to be. They have the best built-in advantage; they have talent-rich Ohio all to themselves. Michigan may grab a couple of recruits every once in a while, and some recruits may go to the trendy school of the moment, but for the most part OSU has that state wrapped.
And with Jim Tressel on board for good I don’t think that will change for a long time.

by uvadula on Aug 11, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Tennessee...

Certainly fits the criteria… 9th winningest program of all time, titles in 1938, 1950, 1951, and 1998… with claims in 10 other seasons if we’re counting like Alabama(heyoh).

19 total losing seasons, 10 before 1912… last consecutive losing seasons in 1910/1911…
Other losing records = 1935, 1954, 1958, 1962, 1977, 1980, 1988, 2005, and 2008.

Most losses in a season = 7

by Caban on Aug 11, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

problem with that is their last couple of seasons

not saying it’s a legit argument, but it certainly taints peoples view of the Vols.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Certainly...

understand that, and if we manage to escape this cycle without another losing season it will be an accomplishment.

by Caban on Aug 11, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be rooting along side of you for Kiffin to fail

then my smug USC neighbors will promptly disappear/stfu

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

F car flags

gaawwwdddd

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

USC will also be unable to hand out Land Rovers/BMWs/Lexuses

to undeserving football players who are punished after the fact…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

i loved the end of last season

watching USC host Arizona at that S hole they call the Coliseum, stands half empty, sad pandas all around. glorious.

USC players are going to have to settle for Buick’s now….

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That game was glorious

as was the 09 USC/Washington game.

They weren’t clutch after THAT…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

everyone i talk to that's been to UDubb says that stadium is awesome

looks out in to the bay, tailgating on boats, etc.

As you can imagine, i can’t wait for USC to come crashing down even further

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is awesome

It’s so awesome that Cal has been destroyed by the sheer power of Husky Stadium…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cal, HA!

Jeff Tedford is a GENIUS!!!

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

2007 - Washington loses to USC, but the Trojans don't impress anyone in a 28-21 victory

2007 – Washington pastes Cal 37-23, knocking Cal to 3-5 in Pac 10 play.
2009 – Washington avenges the travesty of the previous season by knocking off USC as time expires.
2009 – Washington finishes 5-7 season by flattening Cal 42-10.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cal is the top in the country for being overhyped

and continuously underwhelming. Most consistent team in the USA for being not living up to the hype.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um

Clemson would like a word with you.

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by HoyaGoon on Aug 12, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i completely forgot about them

OK< so Cal is number 2…

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 12, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If 3 losing seasons in a row is an abomination

What is 23? Cthulu? The Overmind? Mecha-Streisand?

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by nuftw on Aug 11, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Manbearpig

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by Ted Glover on Aug 11, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like you joking around with me

especially when I’m being super cereal.

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by nuftw on Aug 11, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Nick Saban an evil genius?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/saban_voted_ohio_state_no_1_ch.html

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Intersting way to look at things

And I respect the time and effort you put into this. You mentioned above how maybe starting from 1950 on might be a better measuring stick, but I don’t know. I really have a respect for programs that have had a tradition of winning that goes back over 100 years; as young of a country as we are relative to the rest of the world, that’s pretty amazing.

It’s easy to say that you can’t count 1894, or whenever, because you played 5 games and went 3-2, or 4-1. But I say those are just as legitimate, because the foundation for excellence was established, and an expectation developed that Program X is about winning. And there were what, maybe 30 or 40 football programs in the country then, with travel limited to train. I would say those teams maxed out their schedules to play everyone that they could, based on the limitations of the times. Now if they were playing 5 games, and other schools were playing 9 or 10, then maybe you have an argument.

That’s why I love college football. When Bo Schembechler got to Michigan, it was a run down facility with second rate equipment, and the assistans he brought with him werte bitching that they had better facilities at Miami (OH). According to legend, he looked at his coaches and said

‘Gentlemen, do you see that rusty nail? Fielding Yost hung his hat on that rusty nail. Do you see those old bleachers? Fielding Yost sat on those bleachers. Gentlemen, Michigan has tradition, and you can’t say that about any other school.’

No sir, 21st century excellence was established in the 19th century.

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by Ted Glover on Aug 11, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, please!

No sir, 21st century excellence was established in the 19th century.

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Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
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by Kyle McCann't on Aug 11, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

With all due respect...

Rutgers was never good…
Army and Navy were only good because you could attend either school for 4 years AFTER playing somewhere else.
Chicago might still be good if they hadn’t quit trying in the early 1930s, and Minnesota apparently pissed off the football gods.

I submit Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Southern Cal as teams that didn’t commit program suicide or have advantages that were taken away as examples of winning breeding more winning.

by Caban on Aug 12, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rutgers was never good?

Well that’s simply not true. Were they NC good? No, but they were competitive in the late 40’s, 20’s and 10’s.

Also, it was a joke.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Aug 12, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

After Schiano leaves they'll be back in the basement

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 12, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The basement? It's New Jersey;

they’ll sleep with the fishes.

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by Kyle McCann't on Aug 12, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Aug 12, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also Co-signed,

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by HoyaGoon on Aug 12, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeas I did, but I had heard that before

It’s not like it’s not an oft-repeated story

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by Ted Glover on Aug 12, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That rusty nail line is so lame

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 12, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding Nebraska

To say that Nebraska “went into hibernation” after 1995 seems to omit not only the 1997 title they won/shared/stole, depending on your perspective, but the 1999 season in which they finished #2 and the 2001 season in which they played (got smoked, but played, dadgummit) for the national title. It wasn’t until late in the 2001 season when the wheels fell clean off the wagon, but the next two seasons after that were still bowl eligible.

And as to the question of “consistently great”:
Nebraska won 9 games for 33 consecutive seasons, from 1969 – 2001.

Next on the list: Florida State at 14 (1987-2000), and Texas at 13 (1998 – current).

by Albino Tornado on Aug 12, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Let’s also remember that Nebraska never fell below 5 wins, which is something many power programs that have had downturns can’t say. 5-6 in ‘04 and 5-7 in ’07— bad, but could’ve been worse. The other seasons this decade after had win totals of 7, 10, 8, 9, 9, and 10 for ’02, ’03, ’05, ’06, ’08 and ’09, respectively. Not too shabby when you put things in perspective.

by FDLink on Aug 12, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good points all around

My emphasis on losing seasons certainly isn’t the only way to compare sustained consistency. It’s just one of many factors that should be examined.

As I explained above, the only reason why Nebraska isn’t on this list is because they’ve only won championships in two decades.

To keep the data manageable I made a tough decision and focused only on teams that have reached the pinnacle of the sport in three or more different eras.

Still, you can’t deny that post-1950 Nebraska more than has a claim…

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by Jonathan Franz on Aug 12, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ever taken a good look at football in the 1890s?

I have.

Touchdowns were worth four points. Where you tried an extra point (then called a “goal” and worth two points) depended on where a player was downed in the end zone. Field goals (again, just “goals”) were worth five points, but in the opinion of Amos Alonzo Stagg, they were to be used as “a last resort.” Wedge formations were legal and the most common form of attack on offense. You only had three downs per set, not four; five yards got you a new set of downs and 20 yards of losses was an automatic loss of possession.

In other words, it looked about as much like rugby as it did to the game we know of today. To include records from back then with those of today is absurd, even more so than equating stats from baseball’s live and dead ball eras given how different the football rules were back then.

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by Year2 on Aug 12, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think including results from that era is absurd

but I certainly think they should be looked at contextually. It was called football. It happened. Let’s accept that as part of the rich tradition and heritage of the sport.

However, for articles such as this I do continue to support the idea of starting in the mid-1950’s when integration and television (the two most dramatic changes to the landscape) became widely accepted.

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by Kyle McCann't on Aug 12, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s what I mean; it’s absurd to group results from that era and today in articles like this. I’m not saying wipe them from the record books or anything, but calling a 1-3 record in 1898 as a 5-6 record in 1989 the same thing (like this piece effectively does) makes no sense at all. There weren’t even standardized rules across the country for most of the time football was around in the 1800s, and the forward pass wasn’t legalized until 1906.

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by Year2 on Aug 12, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

the forward pass wasn’t legalized until 1906.

You can pass the ball forward?!?

/Big Ten stereotype’d

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by Kyle McCann't on Aug 12, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

only if you have 3 or less WRs

and insist on playing a full back that only blocks/never touches the ball outside of goal line scenarios. Also, The TE isn’t allowed to touch a ball, unless he’s recovering a fumble.

other than that, knock yourself out!

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