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Closing Arguments - Wisconsin

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  "It is not the mountain we conquer, but ourselves."—Sir Edmund Hilary
"How about you quit talking and carry some of your own shit for once?"—Sir Edmund Hilary’s Sherpa Guide (Allegedly)

I. Case History/Opening Argument

A.  Case History

Wisconsin enters the 2010 season as a not-so-darkhorse favorite.  They have 10 of 11 starters returning on offense, which as a unit finished 2009 first in the Big Ten in both yards and points.  RB John Clay should be considered in the Heisman talk when it’s all said and done, but he won’t, because Big Ten schools have too much self-respect to start a Ministry of Propaganda Department for an over rated award.  We let the Pac-64 do that.  Clay had over 1,500 yards last season, and with all starting linemen coming back to form arguably the country’s best offensive line, there’s no reason to think that they can’t be the Big Ten’s best rushing offense again.  Senior quarterback Scott Tolzien returns as the Big Ten’s most efficient passer, and with a loaded receiving corps, they could transition from an efficient, move the chains type passing game to flat out explosive, especially if teams key on Clay to stop the run, which they most assuredly will.  

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This is John Clay.  He is reee-damn-diculous good

On defense, the biggest loss is 12 sack guy O’Brien Schofield, but DE JJ Watt will fill that void quite nicely, thank you.  Watt is a ferocious pass rushing DE, and if the Heisman were truly about the best college player winning it, Watt would be a serious contender.  They might have the most talented and overlooked linebacking corps in the conference, lead by Culmer St. Jean and Chris Borland.  The secondary is as experienced as it has been under Bret Bielema, so now it’s time to work on consistency.  They seem to prone to give up the big play at the wrong time, so discipline will be a big factor in whether or not the secondary will be a strength or a liability.

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More Closing Arguments:

Ohio State

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Their schedule sets up pretty favorably.  They have one BCS opponent in their non-conference schedule (Arizona State), and for their conference schedule they get Ohio State at home, with Iowa on the road.  Although you couldn’t get them to say it publicly, I bet that if they had to choose which game they wanted to take their chances on away from home, Iowa would be the pick.  Ohio Stadium has been a House of Horrors for Wisconsin under Bielema, but they have played the Hawkeyes tough at Kinnick.

On paper, Wisconsin is as talented as any team in the Big Ten, just like they are almost every year.  They dominated a Miami Hurricane team that was thought to be athletically superior to them in the Champs Sports Bowl, but why were they playing in the Champs Sports Bowl and not the BCS?  We’ll talk about that in a bit.  Is this the year they climb the mountain, conquering themselves along the way?

B.  Opening Statement

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rise in defense of my client, the Wisconsin Badgers.  In her opening statement the prosecution threw out words and phrases like ‘over rated’, ‘choke’, and ‘can’t close’, almost to the point of entertaining.  Kind of like ‘How I Met Your Mother’ is a TV show almost to the point of entertaining, almost.  Man, I hate that show. 

But I digress.  No, ladies and gentlemen, I submit that just like the son is not guilty of the sins of his father, so too are these Wisconsin Badgers not guilty of the sins of Badger teams of recent memory.  I ask you to put aside your pre-conceived notions of what you think you know, and look at what you see.  And what you see is this:  They have the best returning running back and offensive line in the country.  Although they lost some key players on defense, Bucky recruits well and has talent waiting in the wings to replace it.  They have an experienced, seasoned leader at quarterback, a stable coaching staff, and one of the most formidable home field advantages in all of college football.  This is a football team that can not only play for the Big Ten Championship, but for the BCS National championship.  

II. Factual Summation, or Discovery, as the Barristers Might Say

A.  Off Tackle Empire Says

Here's some of what we've written about the Badgers over the off-season:

Evaluating the Mechanics of Big Ten QB's:  Scott Tolzien

Keeping the Enemy Close

Big Ten 2010 MVP Profile:  DE JJ Watt

Wisconsin's Greatest Strength:  Cerberus

Wisconsin's Greatest Weakness:  Pre-Season Expectations

Wisconsin Spring Guide

B.  It’s Not a Music Video, It’s the Gaga!!

Because all blogs are required to compare athletic teams to some random entertainment icon, we're equating Big Ten Teams to famous pop artists.

 

 
Like the Gaga says:

I want you drama
The touch of your hand
I want your leather studded kiss in the sand
I want your love
Love love love
I want your love

You know that I want you
And you know that I need you
I want it bad
A bad romance
I want your love and
I want your revenge
You and me could write a bad romance
I want your love and
All your lover’s revenge
You and me could write a bad romance


Wisonsin tends to build you up, gets you thinking that this is it, and then crushes your heart in their hands while you watch for all the public to see.  Kind of like this guy:


 

III. Emotional Plea

A.  The Wisconsin Challenge

I challenge you to look at the Wisconsin roster, top to bottom, and then tell me who in the Big Ten is better.  I would take Scott Tolzien’s resume over Terrelle Pryor’s right now if this were a job interview.  Tolzien is better than Ricki Stanzi in every category except patriotism.  Is there any other running back or offensive line in the Big Ten that is better than Clay and his Wall of Humanity?  No, there isn’t.  Their receivers are relatively unknown, but they have as much talent as anybody. 

On defense, they are an athletic and swarming group.  Watching them pursue to the ball against Miami was like watching a ketchup pack explode—there was red everywhere, it covered everything, and then you cursed, either in admiration or disgust, depending on who you were cheering for.  I’ll take their linebackers over anyone’s, and if their secondary can play well, they will be able to dominate an opponent.  The loss of Schofield hurts, but to say the cupboard is bare on the defensive line would be like saying the French military is feared and respected.  In either case, it just isn’t so. 

Let’s talk coaching.  Bret Bielema is one of the youngest coaches in the Big Ten, but he has been able to carry on the legacy started by Barry Alvarez.  He has a 2-2 bowl record, recruits well, and consistently has Wisconsin in the top 20.

Save for a road tilt with Iowa, they have the rest of the top competition at home, and they play as well on their home turf as the Army of Northern Virginia did, circa 1862.  They have the most overall experienced team in the conference coming back, with the foundation of a senior quarterback and a running game that will make you cry ‘Uncle’ quicker than being forced to watch a Ben Affleck movie. 

B. Why You Should Not Get Emotionally Invested

When I was a helicopter pilot in the Army (oh Jesus, here we go) we deployed December 23, 1995 for a Peace Enforcement Mission (oxymoron, no?) in the former Yugoslavian Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina.  There were two CH-47D Chinook companies in Europe, so the conventional wisdom was that we would be down there for 90 or 120 days, then the other unit would rotate in and we would go home.  We talked ourselves into that every day, wanting to believe it until it became fact, at least in our minds.  In early February our Brigade commander came for a visit and a ‘pep talk’.  He called us all into our makeshift hangar and said "boys, your deployment orders were for one year, and you’ll be here one year minimum.  The other guys are gainfully employed elsewhere, there is a significant vertical heavy lift requirement here, and you’re the only game in town.  As a matter of fact, don’t hang your hats on coming home in December."

Had hari kari been an acceptable practice in the United States Army, there would have been no heavy lift vertical presence in and around Bosnia the next day, as we would have eviscerated ourselves right in our tents, drunk on sake.  And that’s Wisconsin football, in a nutshell.  Every year we talk ourselves into great things about this team, and then there’s something so out of the blue that happens you want to gut yourself like a fish for ever cheering for this team.  And then you drink yourself blind on Leinenkugel's Sunset Wheat.

Under Bret Bielema Wisconsin is one of those teams that, for whatever reason, loses a game they shouldn’t, or just doesn’t show up for a BIG game…EVERY YEAR.  And then they either can’t get past that game and lose one or two more, or they completely implode.  Earlier I asked why Wisconsin was playing in the Champs Sports Bowl, and not the BCS.  Well, this is why.  Last year, they walked into Ohio Stadium and just gave them the game to Ohio State with three return TD’s (2 interceptions and one kickoff).  They looked to be suffering the after affects of that game when they lost at home to Iowa the next week, and then spit the bit against Northwestern a few weeks later.  In 2008, they lost to the worst Michigan team in 40 years, and then went home and let Ohio State freshman quarterback Terrelle Pryor lead a fourth quarter drive to beat them in the final minutes.  They lost four straight before they righted the ship, and then got blasted 42-13 by an average Florida State team in their bowl game.  In 2007, a #5 ranked Wisconsin team lost at home to an unranked Illinois team, and then seemed disinterested while getting blasted at Penn State the following week.

But if it’s ever going to be different, this is the year, and this is the team.  Climb the mountain, boys.

IV. Verdict

A.  The Staff Calls the Games

Ted Glover:

10-2 (6-2) with losses to Ohio State and Iowa

Jonathan Franz:

11-1 (7-1) with loss to Iowa

Graham Filler:

11-1 (7-1) with loss to Michigan State

Bama Hawkeye:

10-2 (6-2) with losses to Iowa and Ohio State

Paterno Ave:

10-2 (6-2) with losses to OSU and Michigan

Hilary Lee: 

11-1 (7-1) with loss to Iowa

Jerdogg1: 

11-1 (7-1) with loss to Ohio State

GregGoBlue: 

11-1 (7-1) with loss to Ohio State

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Excellent. A few comments:

The AZ State game is at Camp Randall.

I generally prefer to drown my sorrows in Spotted Cow.

Ketchup pack analogy: pure brilliance.

That is all.

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by texwestern on Aug 25, 2010 6:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Fixed the Az State blurb

Thanks!

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by Ted Glover on Aug 25, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really

anything New Glarus will do.

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by Hilary Lee on Aug 25, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Football season is the time. . . .

. . . for Capital Autumnal Fire.

That is all.

by buckyor on Aug 26, 2010 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

275 pounds of

rompin’ stompin’ dynamite

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by Ted Glover on Aug 25, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Badger badger badger

I love you so much right now for equating Wisconsin and Lady Gaga. Yessssss.

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by Hilary Lee on Aug 25, 2010 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Please

the program is NOT that disgusting.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

…everyone likes Wisconsin for 11-1 or 10-2?

Recipe. For. Disaster.

(By the way, saying that Tolzien has Stanzi beat in every category save patriotism? Made of win….)

by Chadnudj on Aug 25, 2010 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Haha, Indeed

I suppose we here at OTE are acting in our own self-interest… as Jon wrote three months ago

Wiscon’s Greatest Weakness: Pre Season Expectations

by GregGoBlue on Aug 25, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Full of win . . . like Stanzi's 18-4 record as a starter?

Maybe it’s because the Iowa game was the only Badger game I saw in person, but I didn’t think Tolzien looked any better than Stanzi at all.

If I needed a clutch quarterback to make big throws in the 4th quarter, I know which one I’d pick, and I honestly don’t think that’s a homer statement.

by Torbee on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

but for quarters 1-3.......

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

my only point on this is that eventually the pendulum of luck swings the other way

craig krenzel/osu in 2002 all good
krenzel/osu in 2003 some bad some good.

it balances out.

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't OSU lose a ton of starters from that 2002 team,

and if so, do you think that maybe that had something to do with it?

by TarHeelHawk on Aug 26, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It also had a bit to do with the idiocy of M*ur*ce Cl*r*tt

leaving OSU in a tiny bit of a hole at RB. They lost to Wisconsin and Michigan that year because they didn’t have a real feature back.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally...

….love Stanzi’s 18-4 record as a starter.

Mainly because I root for the team that caused 2 of those losses.

by Chadnudj on Aug 25, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's an unfortunate aspect for winning QBs

which is that not too many of them make it in the pros.

Mark Greene? Nope, he didn’t make it.
Colt McCoy could very well be cut by the Browns (the BROWNS, people. Not the Patriots.)
Jason White was the worst Heisman winner ever and didn’t hack it.
Andre Ware and David Klingler won a ton of games with the pinball offense at Houston and were drafted by the Bengals (which could explain why they didn’t make it)
For some reason, John Stocco wasn’t drafted after his senior season…
And Joe Germaine, last member of an Ohio State team that WON a title, didn’t make it in the NFL. He is putting up stats that put other QBs to shame in the Arena League, though (290 TDs and first QB in AFL history to throw for over 5,000 yards in a single season).

Bottom line: winning QBs do not always equal success at the NFL level. For some reason, Troy Smith wasn’t drafted until the 5th round in 2007…

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here, let me fix this for you
Jason White Gino Torretta was the worst Heisman winner ever and didn’t hack it.

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by Ted Glover on Aug 25, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jason White stole the Heisman

from Larry Fitzgerald.

LARRY FITZGERALD.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jason white was also told by the Chiefs to not even show up for a try out

“that’s great, but who are the chefs?”

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

some

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

True enough, OBS . . .

But I could give a rat’s fart whether Ricky even gets drafted.

Just keep winning in college, baby.

And at this point, he’s done that better than Tolzien. I do think Tolzien is a good young quarterback. But to say he is better than Stanzi in ALL categories? I just don’t buy it.

by Torbee on Aug 25, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's better

from the standpoint that he has thrown TWO interceptions returned for touchdowns.

Stanzi’s threw FOUR last season. He gets away with it because the Hawkeyes won those games.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he's worse

from the standpoint that he played his worst games against the best defenses he faced and was intercepted multiple times by OSU and Iowa.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 26, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

But when it comes down to draft day

that’s what’s going to kill Ricky Stanzi. NFL teams HATE pick sixes (a lot more now than they did in the days of Brett Farve).

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's undoubtedly true

If the Manzi doesn’t dramatically cut down on his INTs this year, I don’t see him being drafted (if at all) until the 6-7th rounds.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 26, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

it is the same NFL that drafted Drew Tate, after all…

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lady gaga has nothing to do with Wisconsin, you just love that song…as do I. OhHh oohhh ohhhhhh

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The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.

by Graham Filler on Aug 25, 2010 9:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

caught in a baaaad romanaaace

oooooooh ohhhh ohh

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by Hilary Lee on Aug 25, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

La la oo la la...

And cheering for Wisconsin can be like being in a Bad Romance…caught in a bad romance.

But yeah, who DOESN’T love that song?

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by Ted Glover on Aug 25, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I certainly

don’t want to be friends with Wisconsin. No, I want their love and I want their revenge.

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by Hilary Lee on Aug 25, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell yes! Am I crazy or does it taste like Fruity Pebbles?

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 25, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are crazy.

It tastes like delicious.

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by Hilary Lee on Aug 25, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what I was getting at. Thanks though, I guess.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 25, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like

fruity pebbles. So I had to make a better analogy.

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by Hilary Lee on Aug 25, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell?!?!?!

Terrorists don’t like Fruity Pebbles either. Hmmmm……

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by Ted Glover on Aug 25, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Coincidence? I think not!

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 25, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course it tastes like Fruity Pebbles!

They use a blueberry extract in the brew. I used to recommend that stuff to the non-beer-drinking ladies that would come into my bar.

by Spartan D on Aug 25, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great to know. I think I’ll go have a couple after work…

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 25, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's like drinking

a hug from Grandma.

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by Ted Glover on Aug 25, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

smells like Granny’s kisses.

by GregGoBlue on Aug 25, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

vodka?

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

and bingo.

Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
"Turner, at midcourt...inside it, at the buzzer, GOT IT!!!!"
We're the Big Ten, who the F@*# are YOU??!?!?!

by Andrew Tolliver on Aug 25, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

with a splash of fromeldehide

More frequently than an alcoholic diabetic, Ohio State pisses excellence, week in and week out

by BuckeyeSki on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you mean formaldehyde....

unless you’ve had a few vidkas and are trying to say ‘formaldehyde’…

by St8rBoiInMN on Aug 25, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

weve successfully exposed the poster in the funeral business...

More frequently than an alcoholic diabetic, Ohio State pisses excellence, week in and week out

by BuckeyeSki on Aug 25, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice work, holmes.

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

John clay is a good running back but

in the game against OSU and Iowa last year didn’t do so well. Part of that may be due to the tree return TD’s @OSU but still…. he’ gotta show up when it counts.

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree... On Iowa and OSU

Btu he had a pretty good game against Miami with about 122 yds and over 5 yds per carry. Ceratainly we expect leaders to step up in big games, and he did. Also, the whole country seems to look the the Rose Bowl as a barometer for Pryor, which he was outstanding.

Regarding Wisconsin QBs. Ritt over at ESPN rates the Wisky QB crew at T-5th in the big Ten w/ Michigan. Individually, he rates Tolzien 3rd best.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/14882/big-ten-position-rankings-quarterbacks-2

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/14496/ranking-the-big-ten-quarterbacks

I don't want to, but if I had to burn down an oprhanage, I would look for one in Ames.

by Thanks, Oops I Crapped My Pants on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um, what?

That sort of rating is a fail. Tolzien is a better QB than Terrelle Pryor (definitely not a better athlete, but a better pure QB). And if there was any confidence in Joe Bauserman whatsoever, don’t you think he’d have seen SOME playing time last year?

I can’t remember seeing Bauserman play a regular season game. I just can’t. Maybe if Ian or SBB wants to check that, they can, but I don’t remember him seeing the field at all.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

In retrospect, I suppose Bauserman might have seen the field

from the bench, that is…

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bauserman got some PT late in games

and none of us want to see him on the field ever again. Kenny Guitton is our number 2 if you’re asking me.

Why should Bauserman see the field? Pryor is the better weapon.

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hence my bench comment

So, in theory, could Bauserman have eclipsed Justin Zwackiness as the wildest OSU QB in recent memory?

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, except he's a few years old

former baseball prospect/flameout. throwing baseballs does not = throwing footballs i guess.

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although kicking soccer balls

might give you the chance to defeat Iowa someday, somehow.

May I present Devin Barclay?

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, yes you may

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was hurt

in the game against Iowa

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by Hilary Lee on Aug 25, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

well maybe he shouldn't be hurt!!!

ha

ok, he still didn’t show up against OSU.

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clay vs. Iowa

Saying he was hurt makes it sound as though he was hurt coming into the game. He got hit so hard running up the middle towards the end of the first half (bent over backwards so far his own cleat marked up his helmet) that I was surprised that it wasn’t a career ending injury.

by tcamp on Aug 25, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep, until that play he was having a fine day. I never need to see a replay though – I can’t believe he walked off the field.

by txhawkeye on Aug 25, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

For once

I’d have loved it if people had picked Wisconsin to fly under the radar (We do it enough in basketball, after all…), maybe stun OSU but drop the game against MSU (which REALLY has our number in East Lansing). Maybe Tolzien will throw a game-winning TD to Nick Toon as time expires, giving Wisconsin a 15-13 win.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

We've split the last 5.....

We win in EL you win in Madison.

Going back to 2000, the UW is 2-2 in games played in EL.

Much like Minnesota math (someone posted that Minny’s 6-9 record against MSU since 1989 showed that Minny owned MSU in that time span) – I’m not quite sure that record demonstrates having someones number.

Also, that Gaga video is kind of like Tool and Fine Young Cannibals made the sex and had Madonna’s Slim Jim baby. How much weed does she smoke?

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The answer to your last question: Too much.

And since a top five Wisconsin team was murdered in Spartan Stadium in 2004, that game has not been kind to the Badgers.

Of course, it always helps the other team when you call an idiotic timeout and hand them the game with a horrific unsportsmanlike conduct penalty…

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Travis Frederick was moved to left guard

and prospective All-Big Ten guard John Moffitt is now the starting center.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2010 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Wisky at 10-2 (6-2), losses at Mich St and at Purdue

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Great article, but small correction

The 2007 loss to Illinois was on the road. One of the most depressing games I ever attended.

by Badger_in_Utah on Sep 1, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

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