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Yet Another Divisional Splitting Idea

There have been many on this board arguing that splitting up Michigan and Ohio State is the "most sensible way" to maintain competitive balance in the conference.  I disagree, and I'll point out exactly why here.

Now, Delany and the conference have said multiple times that the criteria for creating the divisions are, in order of importance, (1) Competitive Balance, (2) Maintaining Rivalries, and far off in the background, (3) Geography.  They've also indicated that they are only looking at data since 1993, calling that the "Modern Era" of the Big Ten.

So, onto my divisional splits:

East - Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Illinois, Indiana

West - Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota

Star-divide

Included in this split is one permanent "cross divisional rivalry".  Those games are, in order of maintaining importance, Indiana-Purdue, Michigan-Minnesota, Illinois-Northwestern, Iowa-Penn State, Michigan State-Wisconsin, and Ohio State-Nebraska.

 

Now, to deal first with competitive balance.  In this discussion, I'm counting Nebraska's old Big 8/XII wins as their "conference wins".  While they were in a different conference, the Big Ten and the Big 8/XII have been pretty similar in strength since '93, so that isn't a huge leap.  Also, I'm counting Nebraska's conference championships and CCG losses as "conference championships", to make up for the fact that the Big Ten allowed split titles for the entire 1993-2009 time period.

In terms of conference wins, the East has 427 from 1993-2009, while the West is slightly behind that, with 414.  Likewise, the East has 17 conference championships to the West's 15(again, counting Nebraska's 5 championships and 3 CCG losses).  So, it is clear to me that the two divisions are very evenly matched in this scenario, including splitting Barry Alvarez's "Big 6" teams evenly, 3 and 3.

 

Next, looking at maintaining rivalries, please notice that EVERY currently protected rivalry game is still played yearly.  In addition, three trophy games return to yearly rivalries - the Illibuck(Illinois/OSU),  the Little Brown Jug(Michigan/Minnesota), and the Old Brass Spittoon(Indiana/MSU).  The Purdue Cannon(Illinois/Purdue) and the Governor's Victory Bell(Minnesota/PSU) do not become yearly battles, but they have not been yearly battles since PSU joined the conference anyways.

 

Finally, considering geography - in this situation, 5 of the 6 teams in the East are in the Eastern Time Zone, and 5 of the 6 teams in the West are in the Central Time Zone.  The teams that are "misplaced" are Illinois and Purdue, which are separated only by some 90 miles, and both are centrally located in the conference footprint, so this is not a huge issue.

 

Looking at this, we as a conference could have the following games on the last week of the season: OSU-Michigan, Iowa-Nebraska, Wisconsin-Minnesota, PSU-MSU, Illinois-Northwestern, and Purdue-Indiana.  It does create the possibility of Illinois and Northwestern or Purdue and Indiana playing in a repeat game for the Big Ten title.  However, Purdue and Indiana were last co-champions in 1967, and only Purdue's 2000 team has been conference champions since then, and Illinois and Northwestern have never shared the conference crown, with Illinois having 1 in 2001 and Northwestern in having 3 in the time period(1993-2009), 1995, 1996, and 2000.  In the event that those were replayed as conference championship games, there would be enough of a story line and enough of a "newness" factor to outweigh the downside of the repeat game.

 

As always, if you see a downside to my logic, please point it out to me, so that I can either argue against it or tweak my position to accommodate it.

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Would this work for you as a fan? What about for your school in particular?
It works both for the conference as a whole and my school in particular
37 votes
It works for my school, but not the conference at large
5 votes
It works for the conference at large, but not my school
3 votes
It doesn't work for either my school or the conference at large
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I think NU and PSU should play every year

for the “new comer’s trophy”

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Hybrid Trophy

They need a hybrid trophy that’s a mix between the 1982 and 1994 trophies and call it “the national championship” trophy. Be a pretty good trophy to sell to recruits.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Aug 25, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

would that be uglier than the land grant trophy?

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 25, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless it's designed

by a 5 yr old, I’m not sure that’s possible

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 25, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

How dare you!

--
@scrappled
Slow States - Lacking SEC speed since, like, a month ago.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 26, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

the land grant just looks they threw a bunch of stuff in a concrete mixer and that's what came out

WA-LA! TROPHY!

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I like your plan … Delaney etal want the possibility of OSU-Mich in the CCG. I think that is the major hurdle to your proposal.

by talonk on Aug 25, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

exactly

it just doesn’t. When will Mich be good again?

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seven years, seven head coaches, and seven ten loss seasons from now.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a thousand times better than what they're actually going to do

I don’t know that we really need permanent rivalries with the other division. A sensible split keeps almost all of them (and all of the most important ones) together without it. But if we’re going to have them, this is the way to go. Cross-division rivalries are secondary, not primary rivals.

by SpartanDan on Aug 26, 2010 1:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Really

If you’re going to do this, you might as well swap Purdue and Illinois and make it pure East-West.

by drothgery on Aug 26, 2010 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Straight East/West is a bit more unbalanced....

 If you switch Purdue and Illinois, the win numbers change to East 445, West 396.

Also, if you switch Illinois and Purdue, then the protected cross-divisional games would have to be OSU-Illinois, Michigan-Minnesota, Purdue-Northwestern, Iowa/Wisconsin/Nebraska against MSU/PSU/Indiana. That means that one of the West’s "Big Three" are going to get a perennially much easier cross divisional slate, which I’m not sure the other two would like.

That said, straight East-West works for me, as long as they return the bigger trophy games back to yearly contests.

All in all, it looks like a moot point, since Barry Alvarez said that Iowa would be separated from Wisconsin and Minnesota. The Big Ten is being very VERY stupid with all of this splitting up going on.

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Aug 26, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

it will likely be this

Division 1
Michigan
Michigan State
Iowa
Nebraska
Illinois
Northwestern

Division 2
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Purdue
Indiana

According to ESPN’s Big Ten blogger.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

the rivalries will be an effing mess

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

thought is that Delaney

meant brand competetiveness instead of actual on the field competetiveness.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he will destroy about half of the best rivalries in an attempt

to force the fans to find new ones for the long term. But I can’t help but feel like this will be bad for business. If I work 80 hours a week and need to sell myself to at least watch a game, I would gladly do it for the MN-WI and MN-IA games. used to be the MN-MI game as well, but it’s been too long since it was relavent to us. It runs a distant 3rd right now.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

that draw is huge TV dollars even if it isn't always

a national draw. He is completely gearing up for new contracts down the road when all four “super powers” are running full strength to the exclusion of all else. Very small odds in my opinion.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

will there be a tv contract though?

what’s the point of BTN?

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe

I think Delaney wants there to be so much interest in the BTN because of exclusive games that all cable providers will bring it in to basic cable. But I believe that currently out network partners get to pick and choose certain ranked games to air and the BTN airs the leftovers.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

seems about right

all the “usuals” are on ABC/ESPN

others are on BTN

there’s prob more money in splitting the subscriber fees for BTN though

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will be uber-p!ssed

if UT-Nebraska goes on ABC, some SEC matchup goes on CBS, and Ohio State-Wisconsin goes on ESPN2. UW-OSU never ever EVER goes on ESPN2 in any sport.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

SEC is always on Can't Broadcast Sports

I’ve heard about this UT-Nebraska game on ABS/ESPN though…

espn2 would be weak, big ten would be weakER

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN also televises SEC games, usually at nite, after the CBS game is done.

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

CBS loves the crap out of those crack of dawn SEC games

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha …. where I live, the CBS SEC games are on in the late afternoon.

I typically get the Big10 on ESPN and ESPN2 at 9AM, another batch of games at 12:30/1 PM on ESPN, ESPN2, ABC (Pac10). Then another round at 2-3PM of CBS (SEC) and NBC (ND). With the night games starting at 5PM (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, FSN) – this is where I see the SEC games on ESPN the most.

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also get a couple more late games at 8PM as well sometimes.

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN2, home to the infamous Auburn MSU game in 2008

Final score: 3-2, Tigers.

My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
"What's your formula for the corner?" -Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory
"Ah gravity, thou art a heartless b*tch." --Doctor Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 26, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

where i live

im at the bar by 9am to watch most OSU games

When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 26, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

which are the protected rivals besides the OSU-Mich?

by talonk on Aug 26, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

no clue

The feeling over at Corn Nation is that Nebraska and MN would get paired up and WI-IA would continue to play. Other than that it’s a crapshoot.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 26, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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