(Ir)Rational Analysis: Wisconsin, Northwestern, and the Media
Imagine this scenario. Your favorite team (Team A) is facing the Northwestern Wildcats. They're ranked in the Top 15 in the country. Suddenly, NU turns up big play after big play, and at the end of the day...
Your team is DONE. They lost to Northwestern, and while both teams finish with identical conference records, your team will get a worse bowl bid despite a better overall record.
Okay, maybe Northwestern beat your 4th ranked, undefeated team (Team B) and basically knocked them flying out of the title hopes and ended the regular season for your INT-happy QB. But still, what happened to Team A (Wisconsin) was an utterly insane result on Ryan Field, which should be expected 90% of the time when Northwestern and Wisconsin face off. What happened to Team B (Iowa) was a knockout blow (Ricky Stanzi clutches his Orange Bowl Trophy protectively).
After the jump: Bitter feelings and recollections.
The day is November 21st. The place is Ryan Field. Wisconsin, ranked 14th in the nation after handing Michigan its worst ever loss in school history (gulp), heads out to Evanston. What happens next? Craziness.
Northwestern jumps off to a speedy start, scoring 10 points in the first quarter. Not bad, right? This is a manageable deficit.
Wisconsin answers early in the second, scoring two TDs (courtesy of John Clay and Garrett Graham) before Andrew Brewer's insane TD reception puts NU on top once again. Northwestern easily wins the first half by scoring 10 more points, going into the 2nd half with a 27-10 advantage.
At this point, i was sick to my stomach. There was no way on earth Wisconsin was going to win this game. Ryan Field has been the deathbed of multiple Wisconsin teams (03 and 05 readily come to mind) and this game looks no different. Wisconsin ALWAYS struggles in Evanston. Always.
Suddenly, things change. Wisconsin drives the field for an easy layup field goal. Then the defense forces a three and out, and Northwestern allows David Gilreath to make the play of his career. 68 yards, weaving, cutting, and racing, punt return, touchdown. Things are looking up.
But not for long, because Tolzien decides to throw to a defensive back after Northwestern tacks on a pair of field goals. Garrett Graham turns in a great game (6 receptions, 98 yards, 1 TD), but it isn't enough. Tolzien tosses the game away, and Wisconsin is headed to Hawai'i, not for a bowl game, but for a 51-10 pasting.
After the game, Wisconsin drops entirely out of the poll. For a two point loss. What. the. hell.
First of all, Wisconsin didn't lose to Appalachian State. There's no reason they should drop all the way out of the poll when USC hasn't after FOUR losses. There's just none. Second, Northwestern historically has Wisconsin's number at home. (sort of like how they treat Kinnick Stadium, oddly enough). Is it because this is, more or less, the same Northwestern team that lost to Syracuse?
Well, after this nightmare, the Badgers are out of the poll. Smushing Hawaii was fun, but it wasn't enough to get the Outback Bowl bid (which Northwestern lost to a team Wisconsin destroyed not too long ago). It was enough to send Wisconsin to Orlando, where they faced a (highly overrated) Miami team coming off three wins over top 15 teams, but had managed to lose 3 ACC games.
The media hates Wisconsin. Why? Well...no reason. They're just not Ohio State. Coming off a 7-6 campaign, Wisconsin came up with 10 wins. Yet Barry Alvarez had a 7-6 Wisconsin team in 2003 that was ranked the next season. WTF?
-This highly subjective (and somewhat flawed) analysis of one of the flukiest Wisconsin losses is presented by OBrienSchofieldismyHero.
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I know the games have been a little crazy, but the results have been rather predictable: home team wins. The last time a visiting team won in the series was in 2000.
I remember that 05 game. The term “track meet” is thrown around too often, but that game was literally Tyrell Sutton running one direction untouched followed by the Wisconsin guy going the other.
The bowl picks actually worked out well for both sides. Wisconsin got more credit for beating Miami than they would have for Auburn.
Reality has a little-known Northwestern bias
NU prez knows how to get PUMPED
I just wish
you guys could have won that game. You could have wrapped it up, minus 4 interceptions.
Fitz is going to win a bowl game someday, if his players fight the way they did after Kafka almost lost the game with another interception returned for a touchdown.
Can Abbrederis shoot the long three and effectively distribute the ball to his big men?
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 6, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Inexplicable
But was/is balanced out (in the karmic sense) by the hype Wisconsin has gotten out of beating that “overrated” Miami team. Not saying that Miami wasn’t overrated – or that Wisconsin isn’t a scary-good team this season – just that you’ve gotten a lot more mileage out of beating a talented but erratic Miami team than, for example, Iowa did for their Orange Bowl win. You’ve even gotten more hype than Pryor has for the Rose Bowl.
Nah, I’m just kidding. NO ONE has gotten more hype based on all of one game than Pryor has.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
what about abdul hodge and chad greenway?
Phil Steele loved the S out of them in 05 and we know how that season turned out.
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
There were any number of reasons
for why the 2005 season went sideways fast. Greenway and Hodge, however, were not where the blame lies. Besides, I really don’t think an OSU fan wants to open up the overrated LB can of worms *cough*James Lauranitis*cough*
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
i feel like we've been down this road
but JL starts in the NFL, overrated or not. Greenway’s career seemed to come to an end trying to run through a wedge on special teams and hidge is a spec teamer in cincy i think…
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Greenway is a career Vike.
Ask Ted Glover about him.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
Manning drops back to pass, Comedic.Sans and Wilfork come flying in and SACK him for a loss of twelve on 3rd and goal!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 30, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Last I saw of him was that destruction by wedge blocking on spec teams
Does he start for the vikings? only a casual NFL fan….
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
99 tackles in 16 starts, 3 INTs and a Forced Fumble.
He has a pick 6 of Eli Manning from the 2007 pasting of the Giants.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
Manning drops back to pass, Comedic.Sans and Wilfork come flying in and SACK him for a loss of twelve on 3rd and goal!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 30, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops. Posted too fast.
That 99 tackles was last season. He had 115 the year before that, and 105 in 07.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
Manning drops back to pass, Comedic.Sans and Wilfork come flying in and SACK him for a loss of twelve on 3rd and goal!
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 30, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Eli?
is that Peyton’s “special” brother?
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
They have an equal number of Super Bowl rings.
Eli’s just gets his butt handed to him in a more humiliating fashion.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 30, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
all that blood
and then the replays, ouch.
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
So does Greenway...
so that begs the question….what’s your point?
JL was legitimate.
Bobby Carpenter was teh awfulness…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 30, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he hasn't done so well in the Pros
weird, Kiper said he would be the best in the NFL. pfff Kiper’s hair.
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Bobby Carpenter set a standard
Much to the delight of Tom Brady, Vernon Gholston followed it.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 30, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
In the case of Vernon Gholston
the jets/and the rest of the nfl had him pegged as a LB, but he played DE at OSU. They’ve finally moved him back to DE, so we’ll see what happens now.
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
1 sack and then IR?
His athleticism has not translated very well at the linebacker position.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 30, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it's weird
I didn’t think he was going to get picked that high, and as a result he’s been looked at with more scrutiny that others, but that’s the NFL. I hop ehe gets it going this year.
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 30, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
By all appearances, his issues were mental, not physical. Vernon Gholston is not the kind of player you want making decisions on he field; apparently you just want him to put his hand in the dirt, then clobber the poor bastard with the ball. No decisions, just smashing.
As far as Wisconsin goes, they got unfairly dinged for a 2 point loss. On the other hand, their out of conference schedule does make this slightly more justifiable (taking it from “not at all justifiable” to the “justifiable as self defense in Texas” lax standard).
by The Iron Colonel on Aug 31, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, our nonconference schedule this year is pathetic...
Last year, we wound up playing a pair of bowl teams (NIU and Fresno State).
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 31, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Fresno isn't exactly a joke
They’re a fairly consistent program and Pat Hill is a good coach.
When asked why he went for 5, Tate responded "..because I couldn't go for 6...".
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 31, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
They have some hilarious finishes, though.
And Illinois wound up on the receiving end of one of them.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 31, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions

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