Why No Big Ten Player Will Win the Heisman in 2010...And Why That Doesn't Matter
Remember when Juice Williams had a website hyping his Heisman chances?
Whoops.
Big Ten players haven't been close to the Heisman radar since big Shonn Greene ran roughshod over everyone a couple years ago, But let's be honest - No Big Ten star is going to win the prestigious award in 2010. And frankly, who cares? It's a formulaic award picked by half-awake columnists. The final voting always reflects regional bias, which is charming, but incredibly annoying when voters admit they didn't watch the West Coast games of Toby Gerhart last year and thus couldn't vote for him. You're a Heisman voter; find a DVR, drink some coffee, make it work. And that formulaic nature I mentioned? Here are the teams of the past 20 Heisman winners:
Alabama, Oklahoma (2), Florida (2), Ohio State (2), USC (3), Nebraska, Florida State (2), Wisconsin, Texas, Michigan (2), Colorado, Miami (FL), BYU
Save for Colorado, BYU, and Wisconsin, these are are blue-blood, "Top 10 of All Time" programs...or the most successful programs of the last 20 years. You win the Heisman via hype and being the best offensive player on a top team. LawBuck calls it the "most predictable award in sports."
But that's a time worn discussion, so instead let's talk about the Big Ten players most likely to insert themselves in the Heisman race in 2010. This short list starts with Terrelle Pryor and ends with John Clay...I want to talk about Adrian Clayborne as much as the next guy, but he plays defensive line. And no D-Linemen has ever won the award. Which again makes no sense (from the Heisman website - "Most Outstanding College Football Player in the United States").Evan Royster is going to see stacked lines and isn't a home run hitter. Kirk Cousins will put up some stats, but the defense has to help out this year, plus he's got no hype surrounding him. Greg Jones...defense.
Why Pryor? His team is the most likely to win 11 or more games and he's the most recognizable player in the conference. Why Clay? His stat-stuffing potential is pretty good, while Wisconsin has a ton of returning starters and could easily win 10 games.
Why won't they win? Pryor and his passing yips, plus the incredibly talented Buckeye defense, have made OSU a pretty conservative team offensively. During the 2009 game in Ann Arbor, Tressel called off the dogs offensively because he knew that Michigan couldn't score on his D...and he also didn't want Pryor giving the game away with turnovers. You've got to have stats to win the Heisman ON TOP of a few memorable moments. Look at Vince Young though - He had some yips early on, but after the offense was simplified, he put up Playstation-worthy stats. Although Young's success could give TP some Heisman hope, a) he played in the Big 12, where the defenses are probably not as solid and b) he was farther along passing wise than TP.
John Clay will be a victim of the "Death of the Workhorse Back" Phenomenon. Mark Ingram won the Heisman while only getting 19 carries per game. Even the heavily worked Clay only got to 22 carries per game in 2010. Running backs used to be able to pick up 30 carries a game and pad those stats. No longer; third down backs and spread offenses decry constantly pounding one man into the line. Plus Scott Tolzien is good enough to save Clay from those body destroying 35 carry games. Running backs at the highest competitive college level now have to do something special (i.e. return punts, catch the ball out of the backfield a lot) now to win the Heisman...unless your team is undefeated and there aren't any other intriguing candidates, then the award might default to you.
But hell, in 2009, where no Big Ten player cracked the Top 10 of Heisman voting or even registered a blip on the national scale, the conference picked up huge bowl wins and ended with four top 20 teams and three top 10 teams. So individuality be damned, we've got some big-time teams making noise.
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I think you're dead on in asking the "who cares" question
While it would be nice, it’s not what most fans care about. Champions get remembered regardless of pre or post-season awards.
My only Heisman wish for 2010 is that Ingram doesn’t win, which he probably won’t if you’re a true believer in the Hesimandments.
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions
He won't win again because of Trent Richardson.
@EpicTripod
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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 4, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Another reason that Gerhart should have won last year...
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
that the Big Ten will be in as good of a position to win it as it has been in years.
If Ohio State runs the table, Pryor will get too much credit.
John Clay should be in the Top 3 in rushing.
And keep your eyes open for that good-American quarterback in Iowa. If the team has a magical season (and he throws to the right colored shirts), Stanzi could sneak into contention, too.
"Bama Hawkeye, you know, the Iowa blogger who actually uses reason and analysis." - Hawkeye State
And by contention
You mean the Top Ten, but no way in hell will he get a trip to New York, unless Iowa goes to the NCG, which at this point looks….questionable.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
Plus Stanziballs, aka INT's
are a negative stat
Out of Hound since 2008
by BuckeyeSki on Aug 4, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
INT's returned for TD are a double negative.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
What if Stanzi throws 25 TDs and 6 INTs?
I don’t see how LAST SEASON’s stats could hurt him in a good year. Because I know for a fact that if pryor has a good year, no matter last years stats, he will be in the running,
"There is nothing better than being American. If you don't love it, leave it. U.S.A. #1"- Ricky Stanzi, America's Quarterback
But look at the history
The author makes a good point: Pryor (or Stanzi) doesn’t even have to have a jaw-dropping year, so long as OSU is very good. Look at Troy Smith’s numbers:
ATT CMP % Yards YPA INT TD RATING YPG
311 203 65.3 2542 8.2 6 30 161.90 195.5
Good numbers, no doubt, but hardly mind blowing. Could he have padded those out? Sure – Tressel virtually never runs up the score (save Northwestern and Michigan). But it’s all about being the best, most high profile player on a great team. That’s the criteria for winning.
So yeah, Stanzi and Pryor and Clay can all be in the running if their teams play well. As you say, last year’s stats have nothing to do with it at all.
by The Iron Colonel on Aug 5, 2010 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions
In the sense
That they are a negative times two, not a negative times a negative.
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Math sucks.
Me gustan los estados unidos.
THAT is exactly what I meant to say.
And Stanzi’s patented TD to the defense is something we’ve all come to know and love.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
hell
last year it should have been either Toby or Suh to win the heisman. They were both dominant at times throughout the year.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 4, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions
Toby should have won
I watched a lot of Stanford games on FSPrime Ticket last season and that dude is a beast.
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
looking forward to him on the vikes
That way if Adrian gets fumble happy they can plug him in. But I watched that Nebraska-Texas game and Suh was just manhandling the offensive line. Truly impressive.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 4, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Toby is going to steel Peterson's 5 yard line on in TD runs this year
And if ol gray beard retires they should also stick him in at QB.
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget the ad campaigns
Jake Locker, who has been OK, but nothing outstanding is already being called a front runner….. by UW. And the east coast media who don’t know much about him have happliy bought into it.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
I blame Mel Kiper for the Jake Locker hype machine
and that thing that lives on top of Kiper’s head….
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
His hair?
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 4, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And by that I was stating that Kiper's hair is the reason for the Locker Hype.
"You don't become a Hawkeye fan, You're born with Black and Gold in your veins." - Me
by BStylin Hawkye on Aug 4, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
The Locker hype has been strange. To hear ESPN tell it, this is most dominant QB in college football; if you look at his stats, you realize he’s good, but not that special. But ESPN says it, so it MUST be true.
Personally, I think Case Keenum out of Houston ought to get more hype, but he has two strikes against him: (1) he plays for Houston, a mid-major; and (2) he’s perceived to be a “system” QB (as if Tebow wasn’t). He’ll probably be in contention until Houston’s first loss, then never mentioned again.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Jesse Palmer would never lead me astray
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
ha, it's all the hair gel. it mesmorizes me
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't discount performance.
A big night by Pryor against Miami, or a big night by Royster in an upset win over Alabama and they will generate their own early press.
Royster dark horse
Let me preface this by saying I believe this is literally impossible. BUT if Royster carried Penn State even to an 11-1 record and a bowl win, I’d say he hands down deserves the Heisman Trophy. (He still would not win it – because as said earlier the Heisman voting process is BS) The reason is that if Royster can put up both stats and wins on a run-first one dimensional (or zero dimensional if the offensive line doesn’t gel) team, he will have done it all by himself.
by Charlie Yordy on Aug 4, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Why limit yourself?
If your scenario is literally impossible then why don’t you just project PSU’s season record at 12-0 with a MNC?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Aug 4, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry, i meant rec'd HERE
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 4, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
rec'd
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
Mark Ingram won Alabama's first Heisman trophy.
They, therefore, have not won two in the past 20 years.
Mark Ingram won Alabama's first Heisman trophy.
They, therefore, have not won two in the past 20 years.
/Let’s self out quietly.
by MSULaxer27 on Aug 4, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quick, name the last Michigan State player to win the Heisman
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not cricket....
It’s bad enough LSU and Alabama won national titles with what could have been our coach…but to win his second national title and give bama it’s first Heisman with a kid whose father played for us…well that burns a little worse.
Sure a lot of could’a, should’a, didn’ts but when Princeton’s got one, Navy’s got two and even,..gulp Minnesota’s got one…our best shot so far Lorenzo White went for 2000 yards (first big ten back to do so) in a season and finished a distant 4th. He was fourth again in ‘87 finishing behind a guy from F’n HOLY CROSS!
We did have Brad Van Pelt as the first D-back to win the Maxwell award but I guess voters in 1972 weren’t as enlightened as they were in 1997.
I have long maintained that in order for a MSU player to win the Heisman, ths Spartans have to go 12-0 and win the BCS championship.
The kid's father has a lot of baggage.
I think MSU might want to disavow itself from Ingram Sr.
But there’d have been no dropoff in the running game if Ingram Jr. had taken over from Javon Ringer.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Lorenzo White . . .
My second-favorite ever non-Hawkeye Big 10 player. Right behind Antwaan Randle-El (who, if he’d played for Ohio State or Michigan, or hell, even a good Penn State, Iowa or Wisconsin team, might have won TWO Heismans).
Randle El's Facebook Status might be:
Cam Cameron has made me hate my life.
OR
I REALLY wish I’d gone to Purdue now…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Marcus Randle El's Facebook Status:
I really wish that Penn State guy hadn’t asked me to punch him…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa WHOA
Ohio State, okay for two Heismans.
But that’s it.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Didn't Archie Griffith exhaust the 2 Heisman potential?
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 5, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
if you follow the heismandments, then yes.
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 5, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think once you win it, you should be removed from the running for it in the future.
Sorry, Mark Ingram. You can only get ONE…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 5, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
McElroy will win it this year
HAHAHAHAHAH JUST KIDDING HOLY SHIT
Close. It only counts in Horseshoes, hand grenades and Penn State football.
http://www.insidetheshoe.com/
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 5, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Mark Ingram
Mark Ingram did win Alabama’s first Heisman trophy… therefore there is no (2) after the word “Alabama”
Agree
Would I rather see Adrian Clayborn win the Heisman, or Iowa win the BCS or even just the Big 10?
Even better question – would Adrian Clayborn rather win the Heisman or see his team win the BCS or even just the Big 10? From what I know about the guy, he’d take home a conference before that trophy if given the choice.
But here’s some intrigue. Imagine a fantasy land in which Iowa runs the table and plays in the BCS championship game. Assume the team looks about like last year’s team, performance-wise (which is mutually exclusive with playing in the BCG, but humor me) … who DO you give the Heisman to? Stanzi? No way. Since you can’t give it to the entire defense and the offense doesn’t deserve it, it either goes to a different team, or a guy on the D. If you have to give it to an Iowa player, who better than Clayborn?
Should the planets align and the stars fall and Iowa get that far, I’m very confident the voters will find somebody in the SEC or Pac-10 to give it to. Or maybe even Pryor as an OSU consolation prize.
Or maybe even Pryor as an OSU consolation prize
OSU will lose whatever bowl game they get into if that happens…
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 4, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Who gives a damn about the Hypesman?
Maybe if it was actually something resembling what it claims to be, it would be worth paying attention to.

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