Recap of the Forcier Situation and Thoughts: Can the Run Spread Work in the Big Ten?
by Graham Filler on Aug 8, 2010 9:57 AM CDT
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PrintBecause this website isn't focused on one single school, I wanted to go over last weeks news about Tate Forcier in case you a) cared or b) missed it. In a story that pretty much just supported what I'd been hearing all summer, Michigan's veteran cornerback Troy Woolfolk claimed that Tate Forcier wasn't working very hard this summer and wasn't being the leader this Wolverine team needed. Woolfolk apologized, claimed the comments were out of context and that he supports Forcier totally. From the original post:
According to Woolfolk, what was once a neck-and-neck race between Forcier and Robinson for the starting quarterback job has begun to tip in Robinson's favor. And a big reason for that, Woolfolk said, is the team's perception of players who don't show up to voluntary workouts.
I've been calling for Denard to start since Michigan lost its last game in 2010. The only way the run spread truly takes off is with a fast quarterback, otherwise the defenses don't respect the zone-read fakes. So I've been pretty happy hearing reports during the summer that not only was Denard's throwing accuracy (MIA last year) improving, but he was surpassing Forcier to be the starter. This latest piece of "my quotes about Tate were taken out of context" discussion only supports the idea that Denard will be the guy in 2010.
But that's week old news. The follow up discussion, one we've never really had on TRE, has to do with the Run Spread, Rich Rodriguez style. Can an offense that allows a quarterback to get hit this much succeed in the Big Ten? Can 180 pound quarterbacks that look like slot receivers survive 12 games of being punished by 240 lb linebackers? The Big Ten has been a damn good place for LB play recently. Greg Jones, Pat Angerer, basically anyone from PSU and OSU in the last 4 years...These are typically big boys, but they're also sure tacklers and quick enough to play in the NFL. Unless you have a behemoth like Terrelle Pryor who can stiff arm and avoid straight on contact, we've never seen if someone in the mold of Robinson can succeed against some of the nations top defenses.
My thoughts? Good players can make good things happen. A cohesive offensive line plus a lightning fast quarterback plus one more year of experience in the Rodriguez system? That sounds like a recipe for marked improvement. But Michigan's schedule (ND, PSU, OSU, Wisky, Iowa) won't make this offensive experiment any easier. We'll make a list of talking points, so you and the spouse can have some good pillow talk tonight:
Signs That The Rodriguez Spread Won't Work
- I can't remember a similar offense recently succeeding/existing in the Big Ten.
- Small quarterbacks take a pounding in this offense. Michigan has two small quarterbacks and unless Devin Garner makes huge strides, it'll be Robinson, then Forcier.
- Big Ten defenses are huge and quick, even with somewhat simple 4-3 schemes. 4-3's with mature linebackers are bad news for any team looking for running room. Last years Top 10 defenses against the run included three Big Ten teams.
Signs That The Rodriguez Spread Will Work
- Speedy Denard Robinson has the potential to be the next Pat White and White, an NFLer now, could have succeeded in any conference. Robinson throws a nice spiral, something this offense doesn't even demand.
- Even with injuries and Forcier's struggles, Michigan scored 20+ versus Wisky and Iowa, a couple of top 20 defenses nationally.
- Rich Rodriguez, in the past, has struggled wherever he started, only to watch players learn his offense and succeed.
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Never posted here before. I admire that you guys can rag on each other all the time and not get really mad at each other. I don’t know if I could do that, but I did want to post this:
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/busting-myth-option-qb-fragility
I would love to see some data a supporting spread quarterback’s tendency to get hurt, but I have never seen it. Thoughts?
A Blue Fan
I think the idea is this. Everyone remembers Pat White getting hurt against Pitt and WVU blowing its chance to make a nat’l championship game. Everyone saw Forcier get nicked up last year and the failures that came after that. And no one’s really seen a tiny quarterback have success in the Big Ten recently…Which may lead to the perception that smaller quarterbacks, injuries, and failure go together decently.
by Graham Filler on Aug 8, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, it definitely seems to be true that the spread offense places a lot of emphasis on good quarterback play, and injuries to the quarterback derail it quickly. But an injury to a quarterback in any offense is going to be a big deal and fortunately for Michigan, they have 2 players who could run the spread well.
The most recent tiny QB
was really Troy Smith. He wasn’t that tall (6’1"), but he had a capable O-line and a great WR corps.
Drew Brees was 6’0" at Purdue. Brooks Bollinger was 6’1". The Big Ten has become the home of more Pro-style QBs, like Joey Elliot, Scott Tolzien, Mike Kafka, Ricky Stanzi, and Ben Chappell. They’re all a decent height, they’re more oriented towards passing than throwing, and they have (or had) at least one accomplished receiver. (Tandon Doss @ Indiana. DJK @ Iowa. Multiple targets @ Northwestern. Keith Smith @ Purdue. Nick Toon @ Wisconsin)
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 8, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Troy also didn't really run as much as the UM and WVU QB's are asked to...
counting sacks, OSU had only 121(Smith and Zwick) carries in 2004, 148(Smith and Zwick) in 2005, and 76(Smith and Boeckman) in 2006.
By comparison, WVU had 189(White, Bednarik, and House), 202(White, Brown, and Harrison), 249(White, Brown, and Bednarik) from 2005-2007. UM QB’s have had 129(Sheridan, Threet, and Feagin) in 2008 and 190(Forcier, Robinson, and Sheridan) in 2009.
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I'm so tempted to flag that statement
It’s not even funny.
Most NFL QBs are 6’2 or taller. Drew Brees is an exception; he dropped in the draft because he was considered small for a QB. Antwaan Randle El and Hines Ward were both college QBs who converted to WR in the pros because they had speed but weren’t that tall.
Next time a logic button starts flashing before you post, pay attention to it.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Next time a logic button starts flashing before you post, pay attention to it.
Chances are, this would reduce the number of comments on MANY other sites O_o
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Check Smith's weight. Not the 190 that Tate and Velcro have balooned to.
Troy Smith was far from tiny.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
As an exclusive offense?
No, I don’t think so. You have to be able to run the ball conventionally. With the speed of defenses and the use of the spread over the last 10 years or so, there’s a lot of tape out there and defenses are starting to catch up, especially in the Big 10. Look at the bowl results last year. A lot of the spread is based on deception, and if you have a good, disciplined defense, you’re going to stop it, or at least greatly slow it down.
I’m no doctor (and we may all thank God for that) but a little guy (relatively speaking) getting pounded on by big guys (not relatively speaking) greatly increases the chances said little guy gets hurt. Doesn’t happen in a conventional offense. Or as a minimum, your QB isn’t exposed on almost every play like they are in the spread.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
The spread can have elements of deception (like just about any offense or defense should), but I think the basis of the spread is arithmetic: being able to force D-linemen to commit to one play or the other, allowing the quarterback to choose the direction of play where there is a numbers advantage.
As for the little guy/big guy, sure, that’s what I would think too, but apparently there’s something we’re missing.
Name a small spread QB
Or at least smaller than Forcier. Pat White wasn’t much bigger, but he was bigger. Tebow, Pryor, Troy Smith, Mike Kafka were bigger too. And the Big 10 QB’s have the advantage of having a conventional offense to line up in. Except Northwestern, who counters that by quick strike throws that minimize exposure to their QB’s. Kafka rarely ran with the ball, whereas Forcier/Robinson are a lot more run oriented.
As to deception, very fair point, but with more and more tape out there, I think defenses are playing the spread a lot more fundamentally sound than they were, and are scheming to neutralize or minimize the numerical advantage. Add in the speed of defensive ends/linebackers, I would argue that defenses (well, good defenses) are just about at parity with the spread.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
I don’t think I could name a smaller quarterback than Tate. But, I’m not necessarily talking Tate here. I’m talking spread quarterbacks in general and how the spread will fare against Big 10 play. I thought your comment about smaller players was aimed towards spread quarterbacks (who tend to be smaller), and not specifically towards Tate. I’m not going to defend his ability to play without getting injured, but I think its a little premature to say he will have those issues, seeing as in the Big 10 we only have Michigan 2009 to compare to (as you pointed out above).
I totally agree about defenses. I don’t think the spread should absolutely shred defenses like they did 5 years ago, but I think there is a fundamental advantage given to the offense when they use the spread that will not be taken away without some similar defensive scheming. As you said above, good defenses are about on parity with the spread. I don’t think average defenses are on parity with average spread attacks, and I am not sure they ever will be, without a similar technical advance in defense.
Zak Kustok?
He wasn’t much bigger….and ran a run-first spread at Northwestern successfully for at least 2 years (2000-01)…..granted, most of the running load was carried by Damien Anderson, but Kustok ran for a lot (and, I think, more than Kafka did last year at Northwestern)….
I actually think
one of the problems Michigan’s spread is having is a combination of defenses getting faster and not having a credible down field passing game. Defenses need to be afraid you’re going to burn them deep in order for the defense to want to give them space to work with near the LoS. If your opponent calls screen passes, slants and runs 80% of the time you’re going to try and stay very close to them.
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good point
Denard has a stronger arm than Tate, so it will be interesting to see if RichRod uses more WR sets with Shoelace this year. Of course, that also depends on how the young, small wide receivers play.
I'd love to see more screens
Michigan has had a lot of offensive success with the screen (florida ’08, minny ’03 come to mind). That may only work for the taller Gardner though.
Michigan ran about 3,102 screens in 2008-09
for a total of 36 yards. I’m not saying they telegraph it, but Helen Keller with earplugs and a blindfold knows when it’s coming.
And the years you reference was pre-RRod.
Just sayin’…
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
I think that the run-spread (however you define it) is becoming less of a threat these days. So many teams use elements (namely, variants of the zone-read) that it’s becoming de rigueur to prepare for it. With good talent and coaching, it could can successful in the Big Ten, or anywhere else. It may not have the unholy scoring ability that RR had in WVU (because teams are more prepared for it), but it can work.
Will it work for Michigan? I have no idea. Right now, they lack the talent to make it work. Denard might be a huge running threat, but they just lost their two best RBs. Until somebody emerges as a legitimate running threat, there is no deception on the zone-read. If someone shows signs of life in the backfield, then things might change.
by The Iron Colonel on Aug 8, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
Although defenses have caught up to the novelty of spread offenses I think the perceived weakness is due more to the ubiquity of it — that is, teams running it for the novelty but not having the effective athletes.
I still think it will have a lot of success when the right personnel is running it. There are very few Pat Whites, or Dennis Dixons but when you find one and put him in the spread it won’t matter how big or well-prepared defenses are, at the college level, no one can stop it consistently.
As long as they have quality lineman in front of them, I agree...
Talent and a quality scheme can beat anyone – look at Nebraska in the 90s, UF recently…
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Seer, you make an excellent point. The fact of the matter is that Michigan is, without a doubt, a run-first spread. We run about 70% of the time. I don’t care how good you are at running the read-option, if you don’t pass the ball, the numerical advantage is eliminated when opposing defenses bring up the safeties and LB’s to crowd the box every play. When Tate hurt his shoulder early on last year, we were virtually dead in the water as the “option” basically became: HE WILL HAND IT OFF. KILL.
This season should be more intriguing since Denard has learned to, you know, be a QB. I think what is most detrimental about Woolfolk’s boneheaded comments is that, as discussed above, Denard is so small that he is likely to get hurt if he gets anywhere from 15-20 carries a game (not to mention his propensity for putting the ball on the ground). No matter how you slice it, at some point this season, Tate will be behind center. What happens then, Troy? RR has closed media access to practice this spring… anybody surprised?
This team has the potential to put up 35-40 points a game, but our D is so bad that they can also let in 40-45. One thing nobody can argue, though, is that whenever Denard has the ball, defensive coordinators anuses constrict; he is an electric runner and a very dangerous home run threat. How will Meech balance Denard’s carries so that he is not eviscerated by corn-fed Big Ten LB’s? Stay tuned, friends.
Robinson
I’ve heard a lot about how he’s progressed, but I need to see him on the field before I can say whether he’ll provide that passing threat that I think Michigan has really lacked the last two years. He wasn’t particularly good last year if you throw out his stats from the game against Delaware State.
On the good side, I remember he led a nice drive against Iowa. On the bad side, I remember against MSU that he got swallowed up time after time because it was obvious that it was a run play when he came in.
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I don’t think you can really justifiably use Robinson’s reps at QB last season as a metric for this season. Last year, he came in during the summer with little to no training at QB, which was evident by the coaches not even trusting him to fake (or give, for that matter) a handoff. His knowledge of the offense was extremely limited, and his technique was as raw as you can get. Most of the time he threw it, it was to the other team.
With a full season, offseason and summer under his belt, I expect much better things from Denard Robinson this year. I still think Devin Gardner is the QB of the future and Robinson moves to slot/RB next year, but this year should be interesting.
Excellent points
I wondered the same think when it was announced RR was going to tSUN. Sure, it worked good in the East, but could it succeed in a conference with much stiffer Ds, geared 1st to stopping the run? Against the B10, RR is facing a lot more speed on the DL and at LB. As most RBs discover when they go to the NFL, against the run the increased speed on D trumps increased speed on O (despite player gains across the board, the yds/carry in the NFL takes a substantial drop from college).
So far, the jury is out – the RR D is so bad we may never get a chance to find out if he could win with his run spread.
However, for tSUN (or any college capable of recruiting top athletes) I believe running a specialty offense is a bad idea. Most coaches can adjust their schemes to favor the run or pass depending on the skill of their players – they can win with a Tebow, a Pryor, or a Mallett. RR narrows his options – he must have a QB to fit his system – he won’t (or can’t} fit his system to his QB.
RR will always be at the mercy of his recruiting, facing broad swings in performance. I do not see him delivering the consistent performance, year after year, of Carr.
His run spread puts him at a recruiting disadvantage. True duel threat QBs (like Smith and Pryor) are looking for programs to develop them into NFL style QBs for the next level – something RR will never be able to do. As a result, he will usually be left with the duel threat leavins of the other college programs.
The good news for the tSUN faithful – if RR does leave, he has kept recruiting fairly high – his replacement will not walk in and find an empty bench.
Is this the team that finally has all the SYSTEM PLAYERS that RFraud NEEDS to win?!?!
Next year’s coach will be doing some more revamping with all these system players he’ll be left with…
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
But what will Les Miles do when he gets to the B10+2...
and can’t oversign players like he does in the ESSS EEEEEE SEEEEEEEE?!
Out of Hound since 2008
Make bad clock management decisions that allow MSU to steal victory from the jaws of defeat?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yes to all of these
Mile’s isn’t leaving LSU though, it’s gonna be Harbaugh.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Dang
Harbaugh might be successful; he does more with less than every other coach in his conference…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The Pac10 is a "meh" league at best
I see a lot of it on FSNWest when most people are asleep(for good reason, the games are boring)
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometiems, it's like watching a basketball game
a 51-42 Stanford win over Oregon, and then a 55-21 pasting of USC in Stanford Stadium
WTF? How’d Stanford annihilate USC when OSU couldn’t? It makes no sense at all…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It boggles the mind.
Standford beats Oregon, who beats USC, and then Stanford beats USC.
Pete Carroll famously asks Harbaugh “What’s your deal?” after Harbaugh refused to take his foot off the gas.
Harbaugh’s reply “what’s YOUR deal?”
Petey doesn’t like it when someone out Pete Carroll’s him.
But… This year I’m thinking the Pac10 champ will have something like 2 conference losses, and then the year after that, 2012, Utah wins the conference in it’s first year there. Hilarious.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering how many gruesome blowouts USC handed out
Pete Carroll had no business expecting someone to show him mercy. None whatsoever.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly.
shoulda seen him, running out to midfield, PO’d look on his face. It made me so happy.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
He didn’t punch a Stanford player and ensure an instant firing, endangering any future NFL coaching position…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
kinda like when Barry Alvarez did that thing that people remember him for
you know, other than winning all those football games. That thing.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, what did he do?
He didn’t do nothing, that’s for certain. There’s just a lot of anti-Alvarez junk floating about the internet. Kind of like all those mythical Pitt National Championships…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea what he did besides hire Mr Bulemia
or however you spell his name
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Bielema
certainly doesn’t look like he has bulemia, I can assure you…
Tressel – fittest coach in the Big Ten? He certainly doesn’t have health issues like Urban Meyer…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to tell with the Vest
I’m sure he reps out 225 at least 300 times
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And he recruits well
He has a top 5 class for 2011 so far, at least according to scout.com.
That’s impressive for anyone, much less Stanford.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
The only thing I can see holding Harbagh to UM up
is how butt hurt he seemed to be with the hiring of RFraud, annd shos were fired back at him something something “michigan man” bla bla bla.
Pride is a huge obstacle in this scenario.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
At least if he ever faces USC in postseason matchup, he can own the Trojans...
What’s his record against them, 2-1?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
he;ll only be better against Kiffykins
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
True, but if UM comes to him hat in hand
with the ‘we were wrong and we want you to fix it’ approach, he’ll go. Hell, most people would.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
ummm unless you've been to the future, I don't know how long you've been calling for Velcro to start
I’ve been calling for Denard to start since Michigan lost its last game in 2010
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Does that mean Michigan goes 0-12 this year?
Cool. Care to say what the final score against Ohio State will be?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
eleventy billion to negative 2
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
24-0
And Ohio State gets five safeties and two offensive touchdowns. The only reason there’s just two is because the offense is so exhausted from being on the field for so long. They still score, but it just takes a long, long time.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
24 is kind of low against the vaunted meat chicken 3-3-5
troy woolfork and who???
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, there ARE 5 safeties in there...
I didn’t take other Michigan turnovers into account. Whoops…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the first 3 in 3-3-5 were safeties....
hmmmmmm
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Five safeties, 5 fumble recoveries, 5 INTs...
It gets worse if Ohio State can wring out five offensive touchdowns.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
this reminds me of the arby's 5 for 5 deal
“i’m so hungry i could eat arby’s”
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 9, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
They call him Tate Fivecier for a reason, you know...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 9, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Tate's bicep is about the size of my wrist
2 games in to the season he’s dinged up enough to look like the Fivecier we all love.
Also, Velcro doesn’t tie his shoes, and he loves to throw to the turf. In his defense, the turf is wide open.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
This was a good article...
…but the comments were damn good.
The comments were more of a win than the article?
When was the last time THAT happened?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 10, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
umm you're welcome
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
*slaps self*
AllThingsTen, you are VERY welcome.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 11, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The SEC has never heard of the goal-line defense.
Because there is no excuse for giving up that many rushing TDs to a QB. There’s just none whatsoever.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 14, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
what if God came to you in a dream
and said that said running QB should come to your school? Then is there an excuse?
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 16, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no excuse for other teams failing to plan defensively...
SEC Defenses aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. Penn State proved it. Northwestern proved it (to an extent, the INTs were absolutely hideous, Brett Farve-esque throws with predictable results). Florida’s offense feasted on a horrific Cincy defense (2009 Cincy = 2007 Hawaii?) and made the game a laugher, meaning the D didn’t have to do as much.
My kingdom for a spellchecker. Or Devin Harris. Hopefully both.
Fire KP! He forgot to turn off injuries in dynasty mode. - by Norsktroll on BlazersEdge
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 16, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
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