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Crisis Averted - Big Ten Gets Division Splits Right

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The headlines may say "Big Ten splits Ohio State/Michigan," but the Commissioner and the Athletic Directors preserved what really matters.  That, of course, is the maintenance of The Game in its rightful place on the last day of the regular season.  When talk of an alternative October date surfaced several weeks ago, the fan and alumni response was predictably distraught.  Although Jim Delaney said tonight that the conference never actually studied an October date for The Game -- it looked instead at a mid-November home for its most famous showdown -- it's clear that the fan consensus weighed into the decision-making process.

I think it's a positive signal that the front office is truly interested in doing what's best for the students, fans, and alumni that drive revenues.  Rather than walking the plank of public opinion, the Commissioner and the Athletic Directors introduced a rational, orderly, and intelligent divisional scheme that -- if not perfect -- at least reflects an attempt to juggle competitive balance, rivalries, and geography -- in the stated order.

As ESPN leaked earlier here are the official divisions:

Division 1: Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern, Minnesota

Division 2: Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois

Inevitably, there will be some who continue to be miffed by the league's decision to separate the Buckeyes and Wolverines.  I think that splitting the baby was a necessary evil to avoid a greater faux pas: banishing our easternmost fixture (Penn State) to a division largely comprised of western programs.  As an ancillary benefit, separating Ohio State and Michigan ensures that the programs can continue to battle for the Rose Bowl, as they did in the 1970s in the period affectionately known at the 10 Year War.  As Bama pointed out last week, the risk of back-to-back matchups is a once in a decade proposition at most.

Sure the nostalgic may continue to bemoan the loss of the "tradition," but many of these fans are the same people who carried the torch for expansion when the conference announced last December its intention to study bringing new teams on board. 

If you're one of the few traditionalists who opposed expansion, then I have no problem with the argument that the league has violated its most sacred covenant. But if, more likely, you applauded the addition of Nebraska, only to now appeal to some rigid adherence to the status quo, you're guilty of failing to see the forest for the trees.

With expansion, change is inevitable.  Don't blame the Commissioner for your own nearsightedness.

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I think the Big Ten could have switched either Illinois and Wisconsin with Michigan, but that’s just a small nitpick. From what I heard, Ohio State and Michigan will still play each other each year.

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by KSJ49 on Sep 1, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

No, that would have put 3 of the 4 “brand name” schools in the same division. This was a huge part of what they meant by “competitive balance”.

by GoAUpher on Sep 1, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah

They don’t want to go down the ACC path with the unbalanced divisions.

"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

by KSJ49 on Sep 1, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Balance takes care of itself, long term

The SEC East pounded the hell out of the West early on. Now it’s pretty well balanced.

by SpartanDan on Sep 2, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

of course the intent was to separate the teams that had been dominating the conference… Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, and Auburn. Don’t really believe some magical influence of the division setup was responsible as much as the west teams making some awful hires while Tennessee/Florida had stability and met expectations.

by Caban on Sep 2, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, they didn't get it right

They didn’t even get in the same time zone of “right”.

Eleven protected rivalries already existed. At best, nine could be preserved in-division. This didn’t even keep nine of them with a cross-over game (three break entirely, and three are cross-division rivalries). Geographically, the divisions are nonsense. Competitively, they’re decent short term … but so are half a dozen other arrangements which preserve rivalries and geography better. (And don’t talk about long term competitiveness – nobody has a clue who’ll be good two years from now, let alone 20.)

by SpartanDan on Sep 1, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Your premise is flawed.

Penn St. did not have to go west if you kept Mich. & Ohio St. together. An east/west split would have kept Penn St. in the east. As for competitive balance; the west would be stronger than the east this year. (based upon preseason rankings)

But the Big Ten chose otherwise; so time to move on.

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by Odin on Sep 1, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Completely agreed.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there such a thing as being in a futile mood?

Because I am right now. The hell with it. Let’s just wing it next year and see what happens. This opinion of course has nothing to do with the fact that Iowa benefits slightly from these alignments. In reality, it doesn’t, but it’s a halfway decent compromise. And by compromise, I mean they kinda-sorta went with Hodgepodge O. Ass.

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by hkobb7 on Sep 1, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is based on...what? League standing from the 70s?

Michigan hasn’t been the same since 2006. Ohio State HAS shared the league with Penn State since 2005.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I would have preferred PSU, OSU, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, IU.

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by PurdueMatt on Sep 1, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I note above, this ignores the conference’s focus on splitting up the most marketable programs. I think its dumb and would have preferred a straight East/West split. But this honestly looks like the next best thing to the E/W breakdown. Well, unless you’re Wisconsin. Then you got hosed.

by GoAUpher on Sep 1, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

They would have had to go west to preserve balance

You don’t put 3 of your 4 strongest brands in the same division Mr. Beebe.

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by Jonathan Franz on Sep 1, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't divisions have a way of balancing themselves out?

The SSEECC is able to do it, after all… Isn’t it?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brands?! These are teams.

But I will go with your flow with this reply.

1. The Michigan “brand”, it can be argued, is not to be a premium “brand” anymore. The problem is; unlike new coke/classic coke, they can’t be 100% sure they will ever get back to where they were.

2. What happens to the Penn St. “brand” when Joe Pa retires? I can not predict the future of the Penn St. “brand” after this event. Neither can you, Jim Delaney or Nostradamus. Yet this is a basis for your argument.

I could come up with many what ifs here but that would get redundant. Your logic of preserving “brand” balance is your attempt to preserve the status quo. Instead, an east/west split would recognizes the new Big 10 “brand” and split the conference logically.

By the way; your reference to me as Mr. Beebe stung…. for a second. ;-P

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by Odin on Sep 2, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one can predict what will happen when JoePa retires.

It might be akin to the Kennedy Assassination.

There is no one who has had more of an impact on Penn State football, and possibly the entire Big Ten, like Joe Paterno.

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

While you're correct that no one can perfectly predict what will happen in the future

The law of averages can tell us what is statistically likely to occur. Seventeen seasons of direct data, combined with built in marketing and recruiting advantages (brand recognition, facilities, fan following) suggests that Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Nebraska will continue to compete at high levels.

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by Jonathan Franz on Sep 2, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I was agreeing with you until you said the Michigan cr@p part.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no one who has had more of an impact on Penn State football, and possibly the entire Big Ten, like Joe Paterno.

While JoePa is a college football icon, he is not necessarily THE Big Ten icon. I believe both Woody and Bo just might have had more of an impact on the Big Ten as JoePa/Penn St have only been members since 1993.

by talonk on Sep 3, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Woody's personality issues aren't exactly selling values...

Hard@$$ coaches just aren’t that popular nowadays.

Oh no, don't tell me Matt Barkley ALSO doesn't tie his shoes...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 3, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can live with this

I still think OSU-UM in the same division was the best, but I thought that because any other setup might affect the placement of The Game.

My kneejerk reaction is that Wisconsin got the short end of the stick, as they are in separate divisions from Minnesota and Iowa.

Minnesota also got the shaft, as they have a tough road to hoe every year, at least on a competitive basis.

Overall, on a scale of 1-10, I’ll give this an 8. It was about as good as could be expected.

Oh, keep this in mind. On the Division Alignment Show on the BTN, Commissioner Delany said they will re-look the alignments in two years, and if something needs to be addressed, it will. I like that Delany can allow the conference to evolve and still look to improve if they don’t get something correct right out of the gate.

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by Ted Glover on Sep 1, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I give it a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't blame you

I don’t think Wisky got screwed with a “hard” division, but when it comes to things that really matter to fans (i.e. rivalry games and road trips) you certainly got coal in your stocking.

by GoAUpher on Sep 1, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin and Iowa both got shafted from a current rivalries standpoint

And Iowa got an I-480 rivalry with Nebraska, so really, Wisconsin is the one left playing only Minnesota. However, they do get Ohio State, Penn State, etc every year, so there are opportunities to create a new rivalry. Poor Wisky…no more Heartland Trophy.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Sep 1, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

As an MN fan...

I’m willing to take the potential tough road in exchange for getting to see all 3 major trophy games each season plus a resumption of the series with Nebraska. That and no OSU in Minnesota’s division.

by GoAUpher on Sep 1, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

They screwed it up, bot not as much as they could have...

OSU and UM still play the last game every year, but they should be doing it in the same division. I’m still not sure what exactly is wrong with OSU, Mich, PSU, MSU, Illi, Ind as one division and Neb, Iowa, Wisc, N’western, Pur, Minn as the other

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by MikeLew on Sep 1, 2010 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

*but*

"I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the bacon flavoring into the pencils?"

by MikeLew on Sep 1, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

A game

Congratulations. You have protected a game, which was obviously the most important thing in the entire conference. My sincere hope is that we never see a rematch in the CCG.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 1, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

And you don't get that "free win" over Wisconsin every year.

Good thing this doesn’t happen in basketball…wait, you still get killed every year. Never mind.

For all the crap we give Wil Wheaton, he can still tackle better than Asante Samuel...
The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The premise of having back to back Ohio State-Michigan games is flawed.

Northwestern likely wins the Big Ten X in 2011. Then Iowa, then Nebraska, then Iowa again. Then Michigan State goes on an unthinkable run ala 93 Wisconsin and 94 Penn State and takes it all. Michigan is completely forgotten, except for the typical curse in East Lansing and State College bars…

The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
I give the new Big Ten divisions a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crazy runs to the title happen.

Remember the fabled 2002 Iowa team? (well, it didn’t go all the way, but it should have)

The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
I give the new Big Ten divisions a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, it's not completely unprecedented.

For that matter, we have twice as many national titles as Michigan since WWII.

by SpartanDan on Sep 1, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two questions

(1) Does your hatred of Michigan have any bounds?

(2) are you a Sparty in disguise?

by anothergooner on Sep 1, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You just asked for it.

The answer to both your questions is NO!

That was my reaction once I saw Andy Katz’s BREAKING NEWS on ESPN.

The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
I give the new Big Ten divisions a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

They could have protected The Game AND not had a rematch...

but they wanted to split Ohio State and Michigan up, which is something that NEITHER fan base wanted.

I’m mystified that you’re irked with OSU and UM fans for this – we wanted to be in the same division, where playing the last week of the season was easy to accomodate. They screwed that up, so we fought for what was left, keeping The Game as the last week of the regular season.

Or do you think that the OSU/Michigan game, inarguably the biggest rivalry in the Big Ten, should have been completely shafted? If so, why?

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by MikeLew on Sep 1, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jon's Right

Big Ten did very well. I found the rotating games to be odd choices, but it seems that everyone got one team with a ‘93-’09 winning record and one team with a losing record.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Sep 1, 2010 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Not excited about protected rivalry with Iowa

Would have prefered NU.

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by PurdueMatt on Sep 1, 2010 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know what you're talking about

We…umm…hate you guys?

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 1, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by PurdueMatt on Sep 2, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a RIVALRY with Iowa?

May I say WTF?

The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
I give the new Big Ten divisions a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Purdue/Iowa was clearly the “well, these teams are left over” pairing.

tOSU/UM obvious
PSU/Neb newest members, big powers (good game for TV)
Wisc/Minn longest series in 1-A, an obvious choice
Illinois/NW in-state teams
MSU/Indiana okay, not a big rivalry, but at least a trophy matchup

That leaves Purdue/Iowa.

by Laaaaazzz on Sep 1, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can't play Notre Dame and Iowa State on the final week?

Well, I guess they had to preserve the integrity of the Cy-Hawk Trophy…

The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
I give the new Big Ten divisions a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

11 on 22 football always sounded fun.

You see what I did there? Yeeeaaaaaahhhh.

by hkobb7 on Sep 1, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

meant to say Purdue-ND and Iowa-ISU...

The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
I give the new Big Ten divisions a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The idea of a Big Ten doubleheader is kinda cool, though.

Iowa plays Michigan State at 11:00 AM, followed by an Iowa game versus Minnesota at 9:00 PM.

That could be awesome.

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
September 1st, 2010. A day that shall live in infamy.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Division 2 is noticeable stronger in hoops

I know hoops is a distant second in this conversation, but the difference is significant.

Final KenPom rankings…..
Division 1: Michigan, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State #23, Northwestern, Minnesota #32

Division 2: Ohio State #5, Penn State , Wisconsin #9, Purdue #16, Indiana, Illinois #53

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by PurdueMatt on Sep 1, 2010 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Delaney explicitly said

these are football only divisons. My question is this: Did they ever say if interdivisional games will count in the divisional standings? I hope so.

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by Odin on Sep 1, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Tiebreaker for divisional wins goes

1. Conference record (both intra- and inter-divisional)

2. Head-to-head

3. Division record (most likely in case of 3-way split)

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by HoyaGoon on Sep 1, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow guys...

It was not going to be perfect. We all knew that going in.

Basketball is a non-factor, these are football-only divisions.

Inter-divisional games count in divisional standings. Much like they do in the SEC, BigXII, and ACC.

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by Screwface on Sep 1, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

This is your analysis?

What’s good for the game is good for the rest of the conference?

What about Wisconsin getting thrown out like yesterday’s newspaper? What about the OSU division being incredibly top heavy? How about the fact that Iowa get’s to renew the long lost rivalry with Purdue? Is replacing Flyod with Herbie in the last game of the season good or bad for the Hawkeyes? How should Penn State feel about losing more appropriate geographic rivals from the state of Michigan?

Come on guys.

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by KC_HAWKEYE on Sep 1, 2010 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Look, it came from a guy who attacked Hodgepodge O. @$$

I’m amazed this is the final result (/sarcasm)

The various schools of the Big Ten should let Ohio State and Michigan know in no uncertain terms that dissent will NOT be tolerated.
"Because one of the great minds of the 21st century is raising glow-in-the-dark fish and weaving serapes..." -Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory
I give the new Big Ten divisions a 0 and a huge EPIC FAIL sticker.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 1, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like we get Nebraska the last weekend

at least the first 2 years.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Sep 1, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it does well, which it should, I bet they keep it at the end.

I wouldn’t be surprised if its the Friday after Thanksgiving. At least half the time, it will decide who wins the division.

by HawkeyeRecon on Sep 2, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

On top of Wisconsin getting the absolute shaft ...

They screwed up Rivalry Week. MSU-PSU was always kind of the odd man out, but Mich-OSU, Indy-Purdue, Ill-NW, MSU-PSU, and some combination of Iowa-Minn-Wisc was always the final week (with the other one of that triumvirate having a bye and playing one of the other two the week before). They kept Mich-OSU and Indy-Purdue, switched Iowa over to Nebraska (which is fine) … but the rest are a Hodgepodge of Ass. Minn and Wisc aren’t playing the final week. Ill and NW aren’t. MSU and PSU aren’t playing, period.

FAIL.

by SpartanDan on Sep 1, 2010 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, we get your rivalry game...

Now its time for Penn State to avenge that 20 game win streak getting snapped in 95! Wait a second…

There’s some history (Penn State losing on its first try before rolling through everyone on its way to a National Championship*)

My hatred of Michigan knows no bounds. Even more so after this travesty.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Sep 2, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

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