Hoke is a good hire for Meech. There, I said it.
Michigan fans are freaking out. My favorite response is a tweet from a friend that goes "You don't fire Rich Rodriguez to hire Brady f-ing Hoke!" Who is this guy anyway? Did Michigan really hire a guy with a 47-50 career record to be their next head coach?
Dave Brandon now looks like he has led the biggest botched coaching search in America. However, I don't really think so.
"Well it looks like Michigan settled for their fifth choice," you hear a lot of fans say. Well, that's not entirely true, actually. You'd probably be surprised to know that Hoke is the only man to whom Brandon offered the Michigan job. Not Les Miles. In Brandon's address to the team, per MGoBlog:
He did interview Harbaugh and Miles. Harbaugh told him straight up that he was NFL bound and gave him advice. Didn't offer the job to Les Miles.
He said he interviewed big names from every conference and found that some "big names" clearly have themselves as their first priority, not their players or the program. This made his search a little easier. [ed note: by my powers of deduction, that must be Les Miles]
Only offered the job to one man -- Brady Hoke. Called Brady yesterday morning and offered, Brady accepted immediately.
It is also worth noting that Les Miles also wasn't offered the job in 2007 either, according to John U. Bacon's recent article in the Wall Street Journal. In fact, he was never even contacted about it.
This gives us a little insight into Dave Brandon's criteria for picking the next head coach at Michigan, and I think it's pretty sound.
From Rich Rodriguez's three years at Michigan, it's clear that the Michigan fanbase holds the tenets of Bo Schembechler's "Michigan Man" in very high regard, to say the least. As Dave Brandon put it in his press conference:
We’ve been divided to a large extent. We continue to be divided based on all the various inputs and opinions that I get. And, clearly if we want to be successful, if we want to be successful as a football program, as an athletic department, and we want our university to really represent what we’re all about... what clearly is important is that whoever it has a clear understanding of what Michigan is all about. And, this is a unique place. It creates unique challenges, it also provides unique opportunities, and what I know and believe is that whoever comes into this job has to understand that clearly and be well suited for it.
Clearly.
From a fan's perspective, Rich Rodriguez didn't attempt to "get" what Michigan is all about, a dangerous move with such a demanding, (occasionally unreasonable), self-entitled and tradition-obsessed fanbase that are Michigan fans. Rich Rodriguez was very focused on coming into Michigan and "doing what [he's] always done." And it's what ultimately led to his undoing.
There were early signs of this reticence to cater to the Michigan fanbase, starting with his stubborn unwillingness to adapt his offense to the personnel available, or promising the #1 jersey to JT Floyd (that number has a scholarship attached and it must be earned). He was a hired gun, an offensive wizard. Unfortunately, that gun misfired terribly.
It's an epic understatement to say that Rodriguez did not have unanimous fan support.
Thus, priority #1 for Dave Brandon was to reunite the fractured fanbase, to bring Michigan football back to what made it so good in the first place. A large part of his criteria was a coach who would put Michigan first, one who knows Michigan inside and out and what makes it a unique place. The only way to do that was to go with somebody from inside the program, from which the available talent pool is fairly limited.
This is a safe move by Dave Brandon. A very safe move. And though fans are harping on Brandon for waiting so long to conduct his coaching search, I don't think the outcome would have been any different if he cad conducted this search in early December. Maybe a few more gains in the recruiting class, but for the most part it appears that the current players are satisfied and the recruits aren't really going anywhere.
When all is said and done, Brady Hoke may very well simply be our transition coach. From his track record it doesn't appear that Hoke is exceptional, but the truth is that nobody can really tell. His revitalizations of San Diego State University and Ball State are admirable, and the turnarounds, albeit in mediocre conferences, are impressive. However, I withhold judgement until I'm able to see what he can do on the field. But, truth be told, I'm hoping for a goddamn miracle.
What I can say is THANK F-ING GOD WE HAVE A COACH WHO CARES ABOUT DEFENSE AGAIN. Watching Michigan teams without defenses are like summer days without sunshine. That is enough for me, for now at least.
Brady Hoke, to me, signifies character, integrity and hard work, and I believe these are the attributes upon which Michigan was built. Coach Hoke understands and respects the proud tradition of Michigan and will galvanize the Michigan family. I know that Coach Hoke believes that a renewed emphasis on the development of "Michigan Men" is what will ultimately lead to a more competitive team at Michigan Stadium.
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2 Things.
1) Expectations have been dropped to all-time lows thanks to the talent level coming in, the recruiting class, and the inability to land a big time coach. This should take some pressure off Hoke.
2) This is all a PR nightmare, something people thought Dave Brandon would be better at. Can’t deny that. It seems like, if Hoke was your guy all along, hire him in December, end of story. Only saying he is your guy now sounds disingenuous. But maybe Dave Brandon really did think that everyone he interviewed would be humble and excited to lead Mich and when this wasn’t true, Hoke was an obvious choice? Mmm I dunno.
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Dave Brandon is no dummy . . .
but we all know that Jim Harbaugh or Les Miles would be the Michigan coach if they wanted the job. It is fairly common to contact a potential replacement, and say “Hypothetically what would you think of coaching at ____________?” When they decline or show very little interest, you move on until you find the guy who says “I WANT THE JOB!!!” Then you offer the job to him, and you have now hired your “first choice”. This ain’t rocket science, people.
I don’t see how anyone can think for a moment that Dave Brandon would rather have Hoke than Harbaugh or Miles.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Jan 13, 2011 10:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
According to Teddy Greenstein....
….Brandon and Michigan at least discussed salary parameters with Pat Fitzgerald, as noted in this article.
Still, I think Brady Hoke is a good/solid/potentially great choice for Michigan. He fits the culture, has a track record of turning around programs, understands the importance of UM-OSU….these are all good things. Michigan fans should relax — while Harbaugh clearly was choice #1, Hoke is hardly chopped liver as a consolation prize….
agreed
Thinking that there’s ONLY one coach out there who is good for the program is certainly a short sighted attitude. Bo wasn’t a big name before coming to AA. Tressel wasn’t a big name when he went to Columbus. But they understood their programs, they knew how to coach, and they knew how to hire a good staff. Al Borges has a solid resume, folks. Although Hoke is defensive minded, he is smart enough to get a good OC. Borges handled Auburn’s offense…a place where I’m sure he learned how to coach speedy skill players (read as Denard Robinson)
Agreed . . .
that Hoke is not chopped liver. He may be the right guy at the right time and everyone lives happily everafter, but he was not Brandon’s first choice, as the article seems to say.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Jan 13, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions
Sure he was . . .
Dave Brandon just interviewed a bunch of other guys first to throw everyone off the scent. Makes perfect sence.
(Is my sarcasm coming through, because I’m trying to lay it on pretty thick?)
by Disinterested Par-tay on Jan 14, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
it is good!
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The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
by Graham Filler on Jan 13, 2011 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Spin...
Brandon didn’t officially offer Milese because he would have turned him down. Fitzgerald and Pinkel wouldn’t even talk to Brandon. Hoke was, at best, the fifth choice.
Sherman ran an option play right through the south.
What does it matter at this point?
Seriously, I’m not trying to be flippant. He’s the coach, and the other guys are not. Harbaugh was going to the NFL, and Brandon subtly said Miles was all about Miles, and not UM.
Had Brandon hired either the Wizard or Pinkel, the ‘Michigan Man’ faction of the fan base would have broken off and started a University in Absentia, like a Zombie Michigan.
I watched most of Hoke’s presser, and the guy fired ME up, and I’m a damn OSU fan. I want UM to have a coach that pounds the podium when he talks about The Game, gets choked up about being at UM, and hates OSU so much he won’t wear red or refer to the school by name.
I think he’s a good hire, if the fans will give him the chance RRod never got.
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Tressel isn't going 2-10-1 against Michigan, though.
That’s safely out of the realm of possibility.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jan 13, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
You are correct.
It doesn’t matter at all. These comments are just a response to the article, which implies Hoke was UM’s first choice.
Give us a break; its the off season. If we don’t comment on things like these, we’d have nothing to comment on.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Jan 13, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Sure he was . . . Dave Brandon just interviewed a bunch of other guys first to throw everyone off the scent. Makes perfect sence.
(Is my sarcasm coming through, because I’m trying to lay it on pretty thick?)
by Disinterested Par-tay on Jan 14, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
No no...
Your sarcasm is duly noted. But you can choose to believe me or not…the fact remains he was their first choice and I have that on very good authority. Question all you want about the timing and the extensive time it took, but Harbaugh was never offered the job and Miles effectively wasn’t either. Heck, even I have a problem with the fact that they waited, but I am comfortable with the decision because several, if not all, former players support the choice as well as a former, well respected coach.
I think you're apply a rather tortured definition of "he was their first choice"
If by “first choice” you mean “the first guy to be formally offered the job,” well, you’re right. He was.
That is absolutely not the same thing as saying “he was the guy that Dave Brandon most wanted to be the next Michigan coach.” If at any point Brandon’s thought process was “I could offer it to Jim Harbaugh or I could offer it to Brady Hoke. I think I’ll go with Hoke,” then he’s a lot dumber than I think he is.
If Harbaugh had expressed interest in the job, it would’ve been his. When Harbaugh told Brandon that he was going to take an NFL job, then Brandon apparently turned to Hoke. Hoke was the first person to be formally offered the job. That is not the same thing as being Michigan’s first choice.
by Findlay Buckeye on Jan 14, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Hold on...
"he was the guy that Dave Brandon most wanted to be the next Michigan coach."
That could have been said about a lot of guys. There could have been plenty of guys that could have been good for Michigan, but were unattainable. So, why want a guy that you know you can’t or won’t get? Harbaugh said from the beginning “I’m want the NFL.” So, why hire him if MIchigan was just a stepping stone? Sure, great coach. But the ONLY coach that would do well at Michigan? Hoke was the guy in November. NO-VEM-BER. Harbaugh wasn’t going to get approached, at least publically, until after his bowl game. Same with Miles. And same deal…why want a coach that could do well at Michigan that you know in your gut won’t be available? You’re predicating the fact that Harbaugh and Miles would be in front of Hoke on some list because of their past successes in big time football. Did Tressel have big time football success before coming to Columbus? No, he didn’t. He did have success, just not on the big stage. I’m in no way comparing Hoke’s record to Tressel’s prior to OSU…but it is evident that Hoke knows how to coach. That is what Brandon wanted to hire. A guy that stresses defense, has Michigan ties, WANTS to be at Michigan for a long time, and has passion for the school. Harbaugh was lacking in one of those areas, so he wasn’t as ideal of a candidate as Hoke. If I knew Harbaugh would only be at Michigan long enough to get the team to a respectable level and then leave, I’d wouldn’t have offered him the job either, whether he’d won three NCs or not. That’s not what Michigan wanted to hire.
by GoWings2008 on Jan 14, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
This sounds a lot like...
what disillusioned Michigan fans were saying in 2008. “Oh we’ll probably have one bad transition year with RR. Then next year conference champs baby! In 2010 we’ll be in the NC talk! RR is famous for year 2 turnarounds!”
Then it turned into “The cupboard was bare!”
Then “RR doesn’t have the fan support he deserves. Carr is sabotaging this whole program!”
Then "OMG Denard! We’re going to win it all! Who needs defense lolz!
Then “Ok maybe a little D would help. BUT LOOK AT THIS IMPROVEMENT!! Who cares if we can’t tackle or kick? A 67-65 triple OT thriller gets RR AT LEAST one more year to work on that defense.”
Then “It sucks losing to Ohio State. If we can get Harbaugh (and we probably will because we’re MICHIGAN and who wouldn’t want to coach here?) then we can dump RR. But ONLY for Harbaugh!”
Gator Bowl
“Ok Harbaugh or Miles. Otherwise stick with RR.”
Hoke is hired
“Hoke was our NUMBER 1 choice way back in NOVEMBER! I can’t wait for September!”
by TheChosenOne30 on Jan 14, 2011 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Every fan base
has one form or another of justification like that. Had OSU gone through similar times, you’d hear the same lines. BUT, Tressel was a real find and didn’t let things like that happen. The progression you said is exactly as you said, though. No denying it. I never liked the spread that RRod was running, Teddy can back me up on that, but I always hoped for the best. If he was insistent on running a spread, he needed to adapt it for the Big Ten…bigger linemen. But he was never a good fit, and the fanbase wanted UM to win and supported him as long as they could before the pain threshold was too great.
But believe it or not, Hoke WAS the #1 choice and I have it on very good authority. I don’t agree with the timing or the wait, but it is what it is. You can choose to believe me or not, I won’t lose sleep over it if you don’t.
AND...
the Dominos stock has continued to rise over the last several days, so apparently Wall Street approves of Dave Brandon’s choices.
"There, I said it." WHY THESE FOUR EXTRA WORDS?
Greg: thanks for the post and, congrats on the new Coach and g’luck (except once a year.)
But I do have to marvel at those four extra words in your title.
My interpretation: usually, the words “There, I said it” connote the expressing of some view that is forbidden or shocking and the speaker is being defiant. Example: for years, you’ve hated turkey, so, at one Thanksgiving, you say: “I hate turkey. There, I said it.” It’s a challenge to those hearing/reading the words. Basically saying: “I don’t care if you disapprove. That’s how I feel.”
Assuming this interpretation, GregGoBlue, why did you use those four words?
What the F is up with the Michigan fan base that it is an act of courage and defiance to express support for the new Michigan Coach?
Who is going to disapprove, Greg? And what is your punishment for this act of independence?
[We all know the answer: Greg is now subject to being majorly negbanged on MGoBlog. Might even get the Banhammer! How F-ed up is that?]
All I can do is quote ERM: Good night and good luck.
Michigan doesn't need a "miracle" to be a good team again.
They just need to start playing tackle football again, display a little class on and off the field so their massive community starts funneling and securing the talent as in the past (that’s already started), and stop making excuses for not putting a defense on the field that knows its assignments and hits and tackles. It’s pathetic to read the miles of comments over the past three years about how Michigan can’t play defense because Lloyd was a meanie and there are just too many injuries. Michigan cannot assemble with recruited scholarship players a top-100 defense that tackles, after three years? Does Iowa really have an innate recruiting advantage over Michigan that explains why they are a top 10 or 20 D every year, and Michigan is 120th? This is funny. Their performance was by design, it was a bad design, what’s Josh Groban got to do with it?
Bill Snyder, perhaps a man who did more with less than any coach in the last 50 years, had a much poorer resume than Hoke. Famously, his second principle is “Be where you are.” Hoke already is, RR never was. Maybe Hoke’s ceiling next year is a top-80 defense, to go with the best running QB in the country. If so, Michigan goes to 8-9 wins; more if they really find a way to support Denard and get other people involved in the offense. I think the BS is finally over, Hoke will do just fine (his resume, I should say has many attributes Tressel’s did not; it has attributes Ferentz’ did not), the Big Ten with Hoke and Kill and Nebraska is about to become a kind of gray, industrial/agro valley of pain.
I do believe the angst about RR (emanating from his supporters) is the angst of people who don’t know very much about football, and know less about leadership and organizational behavior. If there was anything that I learned watching the post-season it was that the good teams have gotten the memo on playing assignment football again on D; and the spread teams have not gotten the memo that they have ceded the field to those defenses that comprehend staying in their lanes, staying home and being more physical. These qualities have the virtue of being verities, but they make for dull blogging, I guess. Dull unless you understand what football is about, and dull unless you know how hard they are to achieve. RR’s cutesy offense degraded to the point that in MissState game they were running QB ISOs as though they couldn’t remember if they had any other plays. Michigan made more stupid mistakes in that game, in all phases, than you would normally see from an average high school team in its first game of the year. Given that, it has always mystified me, all this talk about how fast Denard was, and how sick the offensive statistics became. I thought the objective function of football was to win the statistical battle of “most points.”
I wouldn’t have fired RR once Harbaugh declined the job, I guess, but perhaps Brandon concluded RR lacked the interest or ability to restructure his staff, schemes, and culture sufficient to make more progress next year. Each of those changes were required, in order to make progress.
I’m excited to watch Michigan football again and excited as well to see if Hoke brings in a young assistant or two with ideas of his own, to add to the conservative mix of his existing loyalists. I think he has the organizational mentality to do that (i.e., the humility) but we will see. I will only make one prediction, and that is that Michigan will tackle people again while brutalizing opponents at the line of scrimmage. That alone gets them two more wins next year.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
by Bellanca on Jan 14, 2011 8:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent post
Agree with everything you said…but I think the reason why DB fired RR was more basic than his ability to restructure his staff, it was that he came to the realization that right now the spread wasn’t going to be successful in the Big Ten. Or at least, the form of the spread he was running. Fast linemen are okay, but if they don’t have the size to withstand the hitting that goes on in the conferene for an entire four quarters, they wouldn’t end up winning too many big football games. Iowa, MSU and OSU exposed that offensive scheme for what it is…a gimmick. It worked in the Big East, but not the Big Ten.
First of all...
I’m glad that UM has a new coach. But in all respect, I don’t agree with your reasoning.
It seemed to me that UM was on the cusp on something big before RR was fired. They had a high powered, if not young, offense. Their only downside was the defense. Bring in a decent DC and you’d possibly be the talk of the town. In hindsight, keeping RR for another year might have finally produced fruit.
Yet what happened (in chronological order): Undefeated non-conference and great start to conference, loss to MSU, another two game downward slide, a very close game against Illinois, a win against Purdue, loss to Wiscy, speculation of RR firing, loss to OSU, request for RR firing or new DC, Josh Groban incident, slaughter in bowl game (MSU can sympathize), firing of RR, and finally a week-long national coaching search while recruits and players drop faster than your chip count in a Las Vegas casino.
Does this make sense? I know DB was trying to save $1.5m, but this is UM we’re talking about here. I’m sure if DB told the boosters “I fired RR in December so we can get a jump start on finding a new coach”, that extra money would be found. Meanwhile, Hoke said since the beginning of Dec that he wanted the job. If Harbaugh said right off the bat he was going to the NFL, and Les said no right off the bat (as well as the other coaches, including Paterson and Fitz), why entertain the idea that DB wanted Hoke all along? It seems pretty clear to me that he was trying to find someone better.
Why would you let the fanbase tear their hair out, recruits and players jump ship, go on a national coaching in which you didn’t offer anyone, only to go with the person who wanted it from the beginning? It doesn’t make sense!
Perhaps Hoke will be good for the program and reunite the fanbase. I hope he makes UM a competitor again (just not at the level they were before…sorry that’s my MSU homerism kicking in) and strengthens the Big Ten. I’m just surprised that you’re all supporting DB when it seems pretty clear to me that you should be calling for his head.
This kid down the street, I think his name is Denard, keeps throwing footballs at me when I wear my Michigan State jersey...I just don't get it!
In my case, the reason I wouldn't call for his head is I don't know what his criteria were for firing RR, and how his environment changed between Dec. 1 and Jan. 11.
Was he shocked at the collapse in the bowl game? Was he losing control of the booster community? Was he shocked at the maudlin performance at the banquet? Did Harbaugh and/or Miles mislead him? Did Harbaugh see the late season collapse and tell him that he would have to clean house and impose another j-curve restructuring? Did he go into the Tuesday meeting with a set of ultimatums for RR that, if accepted, would have led to RR’s retention — but RR told him to buzz off? (I think this is plausible, incidentally.)
We play tackle football, most of the time.
Is Hoke really a good defensive coach?
There’s no question he cares about defense, and he was the D-line coach at Michigan, but what about his track record as head coach suggests he can consistently build a good defense?
In his 8 years of coaching his average scoring defense has been 78th in the country and it’s not like he’s played tough schedules. During that same time frame his average strength of schedule has been 76th in the country. In two of his eight years he’s fielded a defense that ranked better then 68th in scoring. Only once has he fielded a top 30 scoring defense (they were ranked 29th) and that was his last year at Ball State when they played the 109th toughest schedule. Considering his track record and the current level of defensive talent at Michigan, he really needs to hit a home run with whoever he hires as his DC.
He’s actually had more success with his teams offenses, especially these last 2 years with Al Borges as his OC. I’m really interested to see how he utilizes Denard Robinson since Borges has always ran a pass first pro style offense.
RichRod would still be coaching Meech if his defense had been 78th in the country this year.
No?
I think it’s extremely foolish to use multi-year averages (mgoblog loves averages and all this phony historical and breathless current performance data) to discuss something like this. What possible relevance is the performance of the BSU defense the first couple of years he was there? (Unless the resources and relative talent of the two schools are comparable.)
Kirk Ferentz had no “8 years of coaching his average scoring defense” blah blah blah when he was hired by Iowa. Do you suggest that Michigan would have been ill-served hiring in 2007? Wow. That’s a deal. That’s a weird deal there. Just, I guess, wow.
This fantasy football ‘here are the numbers’ so-you’re-wrong-thing is becoming annoying, and it appears to be uniquely Michiganian. Perhaps its an outgrowth of the idea that people who have never played or coached the game see things that others, who did, don’t. It was certainly true of Bill James, who lacked any hands-on familiarity with baseball. But even Bill James understood that the objective function of the optimization problem was … win the fucking game, not outhit the other team or pitch more strikeouts or have the fastest center fielder.
I predict that Hoke’s defenses will play the LOS tough and tackle properly. Whatever the quality of the db’s, they won’t be running away from the ball. These things are more important than the performance of Hoke’s defense in year one of his arrival at Ball State University.
We play tackle football, most of the time.
How else am I going to form an opinon
on Hokes ability to build a quality defense at UofM besides using his track record as a head coach for 8 years? By no means does it guarantee he can’t build successful defenses, but you can’t tell me Michigan fans wouldn’t be more confident in his ability if his resume consisted of 6 top 50 defenses in 8 years right?
IMO, if Hoke was a highschool recruit coming into college he would be a 2 or 3 star player. His track record as a head coach to date = 2/3 stars. Some one like Harbaugh would be 4/5 stars. Those 4/5 star recruits are more likely to be successful than the 2/3 star recruits, but it doesn’t always play out like that.
you can’t tell me Michigan fans wouldn’t be more confident in his ability if his resume consisted of 6 top 50 defenses in 8 years right?
At this stage, Michigan is not remotely able to hire a coach with that kind of resume. You don’t think the AD called around to the big boys? Of course he did, and they either did not take his call or took it and respectfully declined.
This is the best Michigan could do, and Hoke fits many of the criteria that needed to be filled for your next hire. Overevaluating the early Ball State years is ludicrous. I do hope people here realize what coaching at Ball State is like? The recruiting limitations and the budgetary limits are a greater challenge there than at Villanova…yes, Villanova football. I mean, please.
"I wish you luck with a capital 'F'" - The Real Elvis.
SDSU this year
…35th in total scoring defense with a 67th ranked SOS. His first couple years at BS and SDSU were bad, bringing down the average, but honestly I’m more concerned with what he built up to. If he continues to improve, that means he knows how to coach. And depite how bad UM is right now as a team defense, there is talent there. Dare I say, probably more raw talent than he had at SDSU…but then again, the competition is tougher now, so he will need every body he gets.

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