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Three Schools of Thought on the Michigan-Michigan State Game

Pretty easy to find yourself a place here that fits your thoughts on UM - MSU...

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The Haters

Although it's the battle of Michigan, that is just about the extent of this games importance. Both teams are like...6's and if Michigan stays undefeated much longer, Jon's going to have to write a "Death of the Big Ten" article. No matter how undefeated Michigan is, even after Saturday, they a) haven't played anyone and b) really really don't deserve that Top 10 ranking. I mean forgodssakes, if they made a low level BCS bowl, they'd play someone like Oklahoma State and uh yeah, I'm taking the Cowboys there. And if the Spartans win? Congratulations, stick around EL to get murdered by Wisconsin and then off to Nebby. "Legends" my ass.

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MSU's "4 game stretch of death" looks more like "one loss and a few cripple fights against overrated programs." And they'll still go 1-3, maybe 2-2.

For Michigan, it's all a waiting game anyways, waiting and waiting for Denard to get hurt. And he will, probably Saturday, just like he does every year. And then we're back to square one.

Michigan is on a tight rope and they're going to slip. It won't be subtle either, all of a sudden one of the linebackers will limp off the field and the Spartans will be getting seven yards per rush like last year. The unbelievable lack of injuries and fortunate bounces (see ND, NW turnovers) will end soon and Michigan will start playing like the 7-5 team they truly are.

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The Realists

MSU may be the best team left on Michigan's schedule, depending on how Ron Zook's squad turns out. Preseason favorites Nebraska and Ohio State are both full of holes caused by suspension, injury, or bad coaching. If Michigan turns out to even be 75% the team that some think they are, we're looking at 9 wins...at the least. Saturday's game then? Humongous, maybe not on a national level, but on a "made a surprising run for the B1G championship game" level.

You sir, are excited about the Michigan defense. Don't be. Remember discussion of all those great halftime adjustments the Michigan defense is making? I'm not sold (and neither is MGo). Maybe the Wolverines just play better in the 2nd half? All in all, it's a vast improvement over the 2010 defensive squad, or at least we think it is so far. But the bubble screen problem against Northwestern was worrying, really worrying, especially because Michigan State short throws and bubbles all day. Point being? Don't get too high on the Michigan defense yet.

The weakness of the Spartan OL is troubling. The weakness of the Michigan LB corps is troubling. Who will suck worse on Saturday? My guess is the Spartan OL, who struggled with ND's simple stunts and will be surprised by the suddenly aggressive Michigan D.

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The Fanboys

WOOOOOOOOOOO Sparty On! Four in a row, four in a row!

Just like Bama Hawkeye predicts, Michigan has the inside track to a BCS game. He will now get raked over the coals as Michigan plays above expectations every week, getting closer and closer to that magical 10th win and a Legends title.

Really, MSU? Really? Kirk Cousins may be Mother Theresa's gift to NCAA football, but his penchant for throwing bad picks for absolutely no reason will inevitably doom Sparty. And since Michigan apparently knows how to cause TO's this year, I see a match made in Ann Arbor heaven. ALSO - Cousins has so much seniority and respect that no one's giving him the business for throwing those horrendous passes. He tossed one v. OSU, walked to the sidelines and...nothing. No one in his face, no stern words from the coaches. That is bad news, because he's not going to learn better if kid glove coaching is being used.

No one is talking about the most obvious thing here - MSU knows how to handle Denard (see, 2010) and doesn't fear his legs at all. Combine that fearlessness with Denard's amazing inaccurate passing, and you've got yourself a full blown Spartan advantage when #16 is dropping back to pass.

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Let's be clear on something

10-2 Michigan goes to a BCS bowl. 10-3 Michigan does not. If Michigan goes 10-2 and then loses to Wisconsin, they’ll fall far enough down the polls that they won’t get a BCS slot. It’s in Michigan’s best interest to see the Huskers or Spartans finish tied with Michigan for the Legends title, but win the tiebreaker (and then lose to Wisky).

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by Bama Hawkeye on Oct 13, 2011 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think at any point you want an OL that needs time to "jell" but I'd much rather go into the game with a strong defense and a struggling offense than the opposite.

If the score hangs around 14-10 or 17-13 I feel confident that we can pull one out. I’m less confident that we can hang around in a 45-41 shoot out.

That being said, I am hopeful that five games into the season and after an off-week that our offense can play up to it’s capabilities.

by MSULaxer27 on Oct 13, 2011 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm worried about this game.

I think MSU is the better team, but UM seems to have some serious juju working this year, where their opponents’ derpitude overwhelms their own. And we all know that MSU can have some ridiculous moments at times.
I want this win more than any MSU game ever. If we lose, I’m punching the nearest person wearing blue, and probably going to jail.

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by Spartan D on Oct 13, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha

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by Graham Filler on Oct 13, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pulling for Michigan

Only because UW already gets to curbstomp Sparty, and it doesn’t look like Iowa is going to get to Indy. Laying half a hundred on the Wolverines will be at least some consolation for the new schedule.

That chick was, like, the Pele of anal.

by Bob Genghiskhan on Oct 13, 2011 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

I had forgotten how much I hate Michigan in the past two years that we've missed them.

It’ll never be Iowa-hate, but there’s definitely a secondary tier reserved for Michigan

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Oct 13, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Turnover margin: -3

Final score: 24-14

I think it’s cute that the game’s over a week from being played and you’re referencing a rather brutal form of murder, though.

by cwel87 on Oct 14, 2011 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we beat Michigan

I think we’ll make life difficult for Denard and pull out a 24-17 win. The one legit defense they’ve played (ND) really shut them down for 3 quarters before that one DB forgot how to locate the ball. Through 3 quarters Michigan only had 130 total yards and 7 points. Our defense is very comparable (probably a bit better) than ND’s.

While their defense is definitely improved they’ve also been lucky. Their yards given up per point allowed isn’t sustainable and they’ve also recovered 12 fumbles already! Northwestern really took advantage of Michigans defense with bubble screens and quick throws which is something we also utilize.

But anything can happen in a rivalry game and I wouldn’t be surprised by any outcome.

by Stones1981 on Oct 13, 2011 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

I think a high scoring game favors Michigan and a low scoring game favors MSU. I don’t buy the luck thing though, i didn’t buy it when everyone called MSU lucky last year and Iowa lucky the year before. There is a difference in the defense, because more guys are around the ball, and guys are punching and striping the ball out…you know, how a real defense is supposed to do. After 6 games, it isn’t all luck though. I do believe too much is made of Denard and Kirk, it will come down to who’s offensive line is better vs the opposing defensive line..but there is really a storyline at every position battle. Michgian wr jumpballs, msu wr quickness and ability, worthy vs molk, lewan vs gholston…this might be one of the better games of the year

by Canzior on Oct 13, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely

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by Graham Filler on Oct 13, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan's defense is absolutely better than they have been the last 3 years

and I didn’t say all the improvement was luck, but they aren’t as good as their current ppg total. If their defense continues to give up yards at their current pace they’ll start to allow more points. They deserve credit for forcing fumbles, but fumble recoveries are random. They’ve forced 15 fumbles and recovered 12. Right now they are giving up 1 point per about 27 yards allowed. Phil Steele tracks this stat and no team in the last 7 years has had a ratio like that at the end of the year.

I agree with you this could be a great game. Lots of interesting things to look at when trying to predict how this game will play out.

by Stones1981 on Oct 13, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the angriest post...

…I’ve ever seen Graham write. I got the impression that you hate both teams equally. Kudos to unbiased writing?

by SpartyFever on Oct 13, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks

I got my money’s worth, equal opportunity drubbing/realism

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by Graham Filler on Oct 13, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully this will be the week Michigan is humbled.

Living on the Michigan/Ohio border you get to deal with both the Michigan and Ohio State fan boys with many, many more coming out for Michigan now that they’re 6-0, all acting like they’re the second coming of jesus and going actually do something of relevance.

Ohio State’s already dead in the water for all the fair weather fans, now hopefully the Michigan bandwagoners will hop off once they lose to Michigan State again. Will make dealing with sports fans around here easier because they might act a bit more logical when talking about their teams

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by Bryan Steedman on Oct 13, 2011 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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