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MSU 28, Michigan 14: Little Brother Has Become Big Brother

I went to elementary school at Leonard Elementary in Ovid, Michigan, a little village of 1200 north of Lansing. We were comprised of 4th through 6th graders. The recess game of choice was a vicious game of tackle football, where monstrous 6th graders dominated every contest. Occasionally, I would sprint my scrawny ass into the end zone and celebrate like crazy. The response of our 6th graders was telling. Multiple over-sized 6th graders would pile on me, yelling "yayy yayyyy" as if to say, yeah, you scored, but don't forget that we're going to be smashing you the rest of the game.

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With that, we ponder Michigan-Michigan State. Because really, what is the ultimate mark of an unequal relationship between two siblings or individuals? When the bigger, more confident one realizes that, no matter the score, no matter the momentum, no matter the situation...they're going to prevail both physically and mentally at the end of the day. And that's where Sparty is at right now in relation to Michigan. MSU didn't fear Denard Robinson. The MSU defense didn't even blink when their offensive teammates were playing hot potato with the football. MSU was bigger, faster, and unafraid of any aggressive Michigan actions. Even if Michigan had won, MSU could have shrugged it off, saying they blew the game and Michigan needed a lucky and vicious late game comeback to win.

And that's a mentality straight out of How To Be An Older Sibling 101.

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That's four in a row. It was a physical beating, with MSU running for 240 yards and picking up six sacks. Michigan State took shots at the heads and throats of Wolverines, reminding me of that "we will fight on the beaches, we will fight in the fields" Winston Churchill speech.

We will hit you out of bounds.

We will punch you in the throat.

We will smack you in the face.

We will rub your face in the ground.

We will run over your ass and pick up 124 yards of penalties, most of them for being over-aggressive.

Sounds like some of the older brothers I knew back in elementary school.

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Michigan is improving, there's no doubt. The secondary is 20 times better than last year...or the year before. Missed tackles are not plaguing the linebackers and cornerbacks. The special teams are 20 times better than last year. We don't fumble punt returns, we don't miss extra points, we kick the ball off with few issues. The Wolverine coaching staff should be lauded for bringing back some of the "basics" that may have been lost during the Rich Rodriguez years.

But Michigan is still the 2nd best team in the state and it's not that close. In 2008-2010, I never held a pregame belief that Michigan would win. This year, I considered Michigan's chances to be decent leading up to the game, mostly on the strength of the improved defense and the explosive Robinson. Big Brother was not having it though, confidently wearing Pro Combat Futuristic-Baylor-on-Cocaine jerseys on the way to punishing Michigan.

Some of you might call me self-hating (Ted, TED I'm waiting for it). Some of you might claim I'm exaggerating the extent of difference between two teams who were only two touchdowns apart this Saturday. But the State of Michigan is split in two, loyalty wise, and so any matchup between the two needs to be looked at in that light. And on this day, MSU pushed and pummeled Michigan into submission. Like a big brother would.

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I'll be the first State fan to say it
We will hit you out of bounds.
We will punch you in the throat.
We will smack you in the face.
We will rub your face in the ground.

I don’t like this kind of attitude in football. When State plays UM, I want to crush them of course, especially with emotion. But I want to do it in a way that no matter how it’s looked at, UM has no grounds for rebuttal. These cheap shots are not what I like to see from my team. However, UM was no angel either. Lots of cheap shots by UM (one example: UM player smashing Gholston’s face in the ground after a play, after which he retaliated — smack in the face — and was flagged for it). I was happy to see Dantonio get into players’ faces after personal fouls. He even sat Gholston for a series after his second personal foul. Hopefully this game was just an instance of emotions getting out of hand (big rival, new jerseys, etc) and will be shored up for the rest of the season.

As far as actual gameplay, I loved how MSU did. On defense, they were opportunistic and aggressive. Pushed UM’s offensive line all day. Good coverage on receivers. Made Denard try to use his feet to get yards, and contained him well. Oh, and if a ball is literally floating in the air waiting to be picked off, please pick it off. I just about dropped my jaw when MSU biffed on that easy pick. On offense, we came out strong but started to peter out. Cousins played very well (only one bad decision to throw to Cunningham in double coverage, tripped over his own feet on a scramble play). The O-line seems to be coming together. The running game was alive and thriving!! Also, no sacks allowed!! Too many dropped passes though. Also, the two biggest running plays of the game both resulted in fumbles (grumble grumble). Hopefully that’s just an aberration (how the heck is UM’s defense so lucky on fumble bounces?).

And a special shout-out to offensive coordinator Dan Roushar. Here is a man you can literally see growing as he gets more experience. Against ND, when something started working he would switch it up to keep the defense on their toes. We see how that turned out. Today, when he found something that worked, he basically told UM “try and stop it. When you figure it out, I’ll find something else that works”.

For some UM love, they did very well. Their defense is significantly better, and prevented MSU from making the big plays. The offense had spurts of effectiveness, but MSU showed UM what happens when Robinson can’t make plays. The scheme is simple: Stop Denard, and their offense stalls. But after Robinson was out, Gardner did play pretty well (aside from his random 30-yard loss scramble). Speaking of that loss, MSU got terribly lucky. When the scramble-rooskie began, MSU broke coverage completely. Jeremy Gallon was wide open on the 10 yard line with no defenders within 20 yards. MSU got very lucky Gardner didn’t look further downfield and just heave it. I also don’t understand this Robinson-Gardner swap, since neither QB can get in a rhythm. Hats off the UM’s receivers, they played very well. A few better placed passes and I might be writing a hate piece.

Good game regardless. Obviously, I’m happy how the score turned out. UM earned my respect today, more-so than when they played ND, NW, and especially Minnesota. They will do well in the conference, and are darn lucky they’re not playing Wisconsin this season (especially since Illinois was trounced by OSU today).

by SpartyFever on Oct 15, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

After which they are embarrassed.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 15, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's easier to admit now that we've won

But I think Michigan is still a threat to win the Legends. Their schedule is as soft as I’ve ever seen. OSU still looks lousy, Nebraska is worse than advertised (their vaunted pre-season defense never made it to the real world apparently) and Illinois is not the challenge I had hoped they would prove to Michigan.

I won’t be shocked if Michigan only loses one or two from here on.

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by Seer on Oct 15, 2011 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I can see that

But MSU definitely can make it there too. With a single loss to Wisconsin, MSU will still be ahead of UM (assuming same conference record) because of the tie-breaker rule. But, that’s also assuming MSU wins the games they are supposed to.

by SpartyFever on Oct 15, 2011 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one likes to have their team known as dirty, but that was also a flat-out ass kicking.

It was dirty, but it was also Sparty saying “We’re going to kick the shit out of you and you are going to sit there and take it.” And take it, Michigan did.

Also, Ohio State? Woody Hayes had a boner visible from space during that game. One single completion for a touchdown to a tight end? Cloud of dust, indeed.

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by Jon Ross on Oct 15, 2011 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

This really isn't any different than the last 2 years

UM probably has at least 2 more conference losses, but 9-3 would be another baby step up. The bottom line is that Hoke is still operating with personnel who are not ideal for B1G 10 football. Give him a few years and they will be back to the relative glory days of Lloyd-ball.

by PCS on Oct 15, 2011 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to post once, since I really don't feel like arguing with the trolls here:

The better team won today. I don’t think that this is debatable, and heading into this game I had a feeling that this would be our toughest test for the rest of the season. I don’t know if that will be the case, but regardless, Michigan lost to a hell of a football team. Michigan State is better than the 23rd best team in the country, and I’m hoping that Wisconsin kicks their teeth in next weekend.

Still, for how bad it looked today — and it looked really bad — the game basically boiled down to two plays; the play-action fake on fourth-and-inches in the redzone that got blown up, and the Denard pick six that really wasn’t all on him (with no backs in to protect, there should have been a hot-route by Smith in the slot. Denard thought he’d run a slant against zero coverage and he didn’t.) Michigan played better than they did last year on the road, and even though they looked dead in the water, they fought hard and gave MSU a game until those two plays. I’m excited to see these next few weeks, because with Purdue, Iowa, and Illinois coming up, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a 9-1 start (although I’m thinking 8-2 is much more likely).

I was really impressed with Michigan’s defense today. Saying “well duh, they couldn’t be worse” when someone mentions the improvement is unfair — there’s a totally different unit out there from top to bottom. Michigan State’s offensive line played much better than I thought they would, but I’m happy that the defense was able to hold the Spartan offense to 21 points. MSU was still able to move the ball a bit, and yeah, we did get lucky on a couple fumbles (that were in MSU territory), but you’re crazy if you don’t think that this Michigan defense is for real — especially with the lack of offensive firepower in the conference. They aren’t a top-tier unit, but they’re solidly above average for sure.

As for our offense, man, I don’t know. I know that our offensive coaches are not as good as the ones that were here a year ago, but Denard should not be doing this badly. He wasn’t a great passer last year, though he was pretty average — especially for a first year starter — but this is utterly ridiculous now. He’s missing wide open guys, and our offense is suffering. The offensive line was abused, but that’s more of a testament to Michigan State’s front that to our o-line. I was really impressed with Michigan State’s defense, and I think that they’re pretty close to being as good as advertised.

The dirty play by MSU is not that big of a deal to me, and yes, they made some really dirty plays. It wouldn’t have made the difference if Michigan State hadn’t knocked Denard out on a late hit, but regardless, that play and the cheap shots by Gholston were absolutely inexcusable. Michigan didn’t do anything like that, so anybody saying that it was going on for both sides is an absolute moron. I’m not surprised by anything a Dantonio team does anymore, so it’s not going to come as a shock when Gholston’s punishment has to be handed down from the Big Ten. If I were a Michigan State fan, I’d be really disappointed with how Gholston and others conducted themselves on the field. People here will probably point to the Mouton punch two years ago, and I was mad about that then and thought he should be punished. That was one isolated incident, and there were more than a few plays like that by the Green and White Bronze today.

Still, the better team won, and Michigan was outplayed and outcoached. I still think Michigan’s going to make some noise in the conference and that they’re significantly better than they were last year. I also thought that Michigan was nowhere near as good as they were ranked, and that should be corrected on Monday. I was really impressed with MSU though, that’s a good team.

Oh, and they’re not the big brother. Call me if they keep this up for a couple more decades.

by Alex Cook on Oct 15, 2011 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

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I’m hoping that Wisconsin kicks their teeth in next weekend.

Might be difficult. Wisconsin has, historically, struggled in East Lansing.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 15, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last time that happened

was against the 02 Spartans and Bobbie Williams.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 16, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with 99% of what you say
Michigan didn’t do anything like that, so anybody saying that it was going on for both sides is an absolute moron

Rewatching the game, there were some iffy UM actions on the field. The Gholston head twist was unacceptable, and I hope Dantonio reams him out for it. The second one was a bit provoked, as Taylor Lewan grabbed Gholston’s face mask and pulled him to the ground. Still, Gholston should have been the better guy and just kept beating him on the field. Rush’s play was a bit uncalled for too, though. Emotions of the game, I suppose. Hopefully it won’t happen again.

I’m not surprised by anything a Dantonio team does anymore

Not sure what you mean here. After the dorm room fight, he suspended almost 1/4 of the team for the bowl game and kicked off some. For the Chris L Rucker incident, he suspended him until he finished the requirements set by the judge. For Dion Sims, he was immediately suspended from the team and was later found to be uninvolved with the stolen laptop ring and then reinstated.

What else do you want from the guy? At least he took action, unlike your previous coach and their legal troubles.

by SpartyFever on Oct 15, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is such repetitive, predictable crap from another wanna-be football aristocrat from a dying state.

Michigan got outplayed in every aspect of the game, and the OC’s personnel groups, substitutions and playcalling were amateur hour. Anything the overmatched UM team could accomplish was overcome by inexplicable coaching.

Michigan has the best single wing tailback in the Big Ten since … a single wing tailback could lead a Big Ten team to a championship, I guess. I’m not sure what the relevance of having the guy take snaps again this year is, but perhaps this is a question some UM fan might ask themselves, instead of asking why he’s not a good passing QB. He’s never been, and never will be, a good passing QB. Because he’s not a QB?

Obviously Mattis is doing great but other than that (and his baseline was a negative number) if you don’t win a game when the other team has 124 yards of penalties, you’re not ready to compete with the other team.

Another questions UM fans might ask, if they have any memory of the past few years, is what is going to happen when they play three or four teams that aspire to play the physical, suffocating game that Dantonio has established. But they won’t.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 16, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great call ChosenOne30

RE: saying the game came down to two plays.

I’ve always had an issue with losing teams doing that (and believe me, after plenty of losses it’s my school’s fans making that complaint & it irks me the same).

In this game, there were at least 150 plays – MSU ran 63 on offense, M ran 67, there were 8 total kickoffs & 12 total punts (I say at least 150 bc I’m not sure if the stat page I used includes M’s 7 times sacked in rushing plays).

To say that this game turned on two plays – plays that MSU’s defense soundly stopped, BTW – is short-sighted, juvenille, and frankly, reveals a low level of comprehension of how the game of football is actually played.

by MSUDersh on Oct 17, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

You got beaten up and shut down

If you were being honest with yourself (which you were at the beginning of the season, but I guess 4 creampuff-stomps and a miracle victory changed that viewpoint dramatically), Michigan was the worse team going into the season, and not surprisingly, they were the worse team today.

Michigan did not win because Michigan State is better at football than Michigan is. The concept may be difficult to swallow, I suppose, but it’s true. I dealt with it for years and years and years, because it was true. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, though, it’s because of two plays. Hilarious.

Be a good little brother and take your beating like a man.

by cwel87 on Oct 16, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You might be little brother if....

Your post game rant is about sportsmanship

by Sparticane on Oct 16, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing...

2 of those MSU personal fouls were what I’d call “cheap”:
1) when Gholston twisted Denards helmet in a pile
2) when Rush threw Denard to the ground after he released a pass

The others weren’t dirty, they were just incredibly stupid, and self-defeating for the Spartans. MSU gave UM 6 first downs via penalty. While those extended drives didn’t necessarilly result in Wolverine points, they led to very bad field position for the MSU offense on several drives, and contributed to some of the offensive futility for the Spartans.

MSU thoroughly and physically WHIPPED Michigan today, and without those personal foul calls, I think the point spread would’ve been bigger.

Is UM getting better? Yeah – I guess so. But, there are still very few guys on the Wolverines who would start for the Spartans.

Go Green!

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by Spartan D on Oct 15, 2011 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly
2 of those MSU personal fouls were what I’d call "cheap":
1) when Gholston twisted Denards helmet in a pile
2) when Rush threw Denard to the ground after he released a pass

Agree with you completely here. After rewatching the game, even the announcers are saying “oh if so-and-so had just wrapped him up and didn’t take him to the ground, it would have been fine”. Lots of stupid plays where the players just wanted to be aggressive, and got a little too aggressive.

by SpartyFever on Oct 15, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d say it’s still much more like little brother beating up on big brother right after big brother has only just gotten over a serious case of pneumonia. That said, Sparty looked pretty darn dominant today, despite the cheap plays and attempts to shoot themselves in the foot. I think Denard will have his revenge next year though, and with the turnaround in recruiting it looks like big blue will be back in the big brother business before too long. It’ll be up to Sparty to capitalize on this season and get to the Rose Bowl.

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by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 15, 2011 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

He should have

and he should be suspended for the next game when we’re going to need all the help we can get.

That being said; the punch doesn’t bother me. He was pushed into the ground and reacted stupidly. He’s a true soph – he’ll act stupid. Ejection for that, and he hes good to go.

The twist was malicious, and designed to hurt. That requires action by MD. Will I lose sleep if he plays next week? No, I know the coaches will rectify that. But don’t try and act like MSU was clipping at knees and tripping. Gholston was thuggish today. THe rest of the team was stupid.

by Milesgmsu09 on Oct 15, 2011 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That second one is hypnotic

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Oct 15, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like how on the 2nd gif you omit the part where Gholston got dragged to the ground by his facemask.

And, yes, he should have been ejected for that punch.

Also, that “Piece of Shit” was target #1 on Michigan’s recruiting list 2 years ago.

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by Spartan D on Oct 16, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh… Michigan recruited him. Then I stand corrected. What a fine young man.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 16, 2011 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, take up a petition.

Play volleyball.

Take an LSAT prep course.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Oct 16, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

3. things

1. Gholston most certainly didnt get dragged down by his facemask, he got blocked down and then when he was down the guy was pushing on the back of his helmet so he couldnt get up. As you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ7ve_rn2zU&feature=related

2. Even if he did get supposedly dragged down by the facemask, that’s not a way to retalliate. Did Denard get up and punch Gholston in the face when he twisted Denard’s facemask, I think not.

3. Also if you watch the video he was holding the guy’s helmet while the play was still going on, he was pissed off cuz the other guy made him eat the turf.

by clay-born to party on Oct 17, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would Denard attack a guy who weighs 100 lbs more than him?

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by U-God on Oct 17, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gholston did.

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by Spartan D on Oct 17, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also - "disturbing?"

This ain’t intramurals brother!

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by Spartan D on Oct 16, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It really only takes away from what I thought was a great defensive game by MSU. Against a better team you may be blaming him for the loss.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 16, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

you know what, those were dirty plays by WIll Gholston.

but i am not apologetic to the team being over aggressive. If a team has kicked us for so long like Michigan has, this shows how much this game meant to MSU. MIchigan has dominated MSU for a long long time and now it is our turn.
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by spartynation on Oct 16, 2011 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The two most "disturbing" things

in these shots are Indiana having a touchdown against Wisconsin, and the Brewers in the NLCS…

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by NorthernStar on Oct 16, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank (or blame) Bud Selig on that one

Moving the Brewers to the NL does not automatically create a rivalry with the Cubs, no matter what Selig would like to believe.

It does mean a lot of Brew Crew fans make the drive down to Chicago to catch Cubs games in person, though!

by MSUDersh on Oct 17, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was a bit mad that he wasnt ejected. Bad for the game.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 16, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did no one else notice...

…that Dantonio ripped into Gholston afterwards, and then sat him for the next series? Quit your bitching. It was noticed by the coaches, and they did what they could at the time. I’m sure he’ll get more this week.

by SpartyFever on Oct 16, 2011 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats

The coach did his job. How about coaching his players to not act in that manner. I think Sparty could have won by much more if not for the penalties.

by airfigaro on Oct 16, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are blind, and I'm tired of this "cheap shot" argument

You really think ANY coach can really control the emotions and actions of a full team of 18-22 year olds? The answer: No. But you can punish them afterwards, and that is what happened. UofM had questionable actions in the game as well, if you actually watched the entire game.

If you watched Dantonio rip into Gholston, you would have seen Gholston’s shoulders slink down indicating that he knew better and shouldn’t have done that. After, Gholston rode the pine the rest of the series.

As Graham said, MSU was making a statement. After hearing all last week how much crap spewed out of UofM slappies, I don’t blame MSU for coming out and plastering UofM. Of the personal fouls, only two I was unhappy with (turning of Denard’s helmet, Rush taking down Denard after he threw it). The rest are just a part of the game. Oh, and those penalties kept UofM in the game, so if anything they should be happy for them.

Oh, and don’t dare say anything about the chanting when Denard went down or else I’ll post a video of UofM cheering when Stanton’s shoulder was separated in the 2004 game. At least the crowd was jeering at the entire team, not just the specific injury of one player.

by SpartyFever on Oct 16, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

You, sir, are mistaken
You really think ANY coach can really control the emotions and actions of a full team of 18-22 year olds?

Duh. Brady Hoke can.

by cwel87 on Oct 16, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems to be something that MSU has never been able to do.

For some reason, MSU has one, and possibly more, really horrible, inexplicable, mind-numbingly stupid play per game.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 16, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention storming frat houses and starting brawls, and their customary spot near the top of the Fulmer Cup standings- at least the top of the Big Ten (with Iowa)

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by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 17, 2011 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Duh. Brady Hoke can.

Well then he did a much better job of controlling their emotions, than he did preparing them for & coaching them in this game.

by MSUDersh on Oct 17, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gameday going to be in East Lansing for the Wisconsin game next week

Just announced during the end of the ASU-Oregon game.

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by Seer on Oct 16, 2011 12:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Michigan is better

but you can make an argument that MSU is the second best team in the conference. I only watched the first half, but the MSU o-line looked a lot better than they did at the beginning of the year, and Denard looked terrible.

MSU took away his ability to run (except that first TD run, which was sweet) and Michigan’s offense was non-existent.

And the uniforms for both teams were horrid.

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by Ted Glover on Oct 16, 2011 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

The Michigan State Ducks vs. the Michigan Bumblebees...

Absolutely hideous.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 16, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Michigan is better...at what?

Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.

by CarolinaHawk on Oct 16, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

your right, Michigan was so much better than MSU that they only lost to them by two TDs

???

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 16, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, Michigan State won 28-14.

So how is Michigan better???

Agree with you on those uniforms.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 16, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan is better this year than last year

is what I inferred, not that they were better than MSU. I can see how that could’ve been misinterpreted.

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by Ted Glover on Oct 17, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan is a better team than recent michigan squads

is how I interpreted TG’s post

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by BentNotBroken on Oct 16, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

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by jdhusker on Oct 17, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

so many lawyers in this website.

none did their due diligence and drank the Brady Hoke kool aid. His defense is still shit and Denard Robinson can’t throw.
Wisconsin is No1 in the conference and there is a steep fall to second place.
Nebraska, MSU, PSU,OSU, Illinois, Iowa-this is a mess. It can be anyone or are they all flawed?

by spartynation on Oct 16, 2011 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

His defense is still shit

His defensive personnel is shitty, his defense is not. His defense puts his shitty personnel in a position to suceed, the are just too shitty to succeed.

Denard Robinson can’t throw

Yep

by rogerja on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have read MSUs reaction to this in this thread

and MSU fans, you have forfeited your right to complain on any cheap shot for the rest of the season. if you do, all fans of the 11 other teams just need to post a gif of your boy pulling facemasks and punching lineman and say “oh, so you must have hated this then”.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 16, 2011 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

We reserve the right to complain if the penalties are not called

All of our “cheap shots” were penalized.

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by Seer on Oct 16, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quotations?

do you somehow find a punch to the face not a cheap shot?

i get the feeling if a MSU guy brought a knife out to the field and shanked a guy, MSU fans would be like “well…..he was holding quite a bit, so i wouldnt be mad if he got suspended but i wouldnt be mad if he didnt either”

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 16, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I demand video or picture evidence

of this alleged facemask-dragging by a 300+ lb man.

According to the youtube video earlier in this thread, he was thrown to the ground by his shoulder and then held there by the back of his helmet.

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by rockyh on Oct 18, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the record

I did hate it.

Most of the penalties were just idiotic (MSU players ought to know better and avoid ’em). A couple of ’em were examples of seriously poor sportsmanship.

Regardless, giving up 124 yards in penalties is not a good tactic.

If the league hands a suspension to Gholston, I would not object. I won’t be upset if they don’t, either.

The sideline is always greener at MSU.

by Green 96 on Oct 16, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Drew Stanton, separated shoulder

UM fans: cheering the injury.

Fuck Ann Arbor.

by cwel87 on Oct 16, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We can quit apologizing now. This is a big boys game and it gets a little rough sometimes, nothing about those actions helped us win the game. Denard Robinson should apologize to the UM fans that he’s actually a runningback and can’t throw a pass. We HANDED you 6 first downs and 124 yards and what did you do with them? Just admit that you’re the weaker team and be done with it. You’re embarrassing yourselves even more than usual.

by StickyGreen on Oct 17, 2011 8:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Michigan > Notre Dame > Michigan State > Michigan

College football math is fun

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 16, 2011 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Where are Bama's Bowl Predicitons

I missed them last week, and I’m wondering if he still has michigan in the orange bowl?

by Milesgmsu09 on Oct 16, 2011 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

No delayed knee jerk reactions either.

The week Iowa beat jNWU, no less

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by BentNotBroken on Oct 16, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sodom-on-the-Huron

My personal slang for the home of the evil empire….

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by pmeisel on Oct 16, 2011 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Michigan fans are absolutely ridiculous

One dirty play by Gholston and the Mgoblog mouth-breathers are unbearable.

I’ve made it through a few minutes of the DVR. Go back to the replay of Denard’s TD run. Watch Gholston get blocked by two or three guys. Michigan OL #77 then clearly grabs his facemask and yanks it down.

Someone make a gif and whine about it.

by Stuka on Oct 16, 2011 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Two dirty plays, the grab of the helmet and twist was by far the more egregious of the two (though a sucker punch like that got LeGarrette Blount suspended for the year by Oregon’s Chip Kelly. Just sayin’.

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by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 17, 2011 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't compare that to Blount's

It was during the game. UM player was looking right at him. His helmet was on.

Blount’s was after the game when the Boise player had his helmet off. He came at him outside his field of vision. And they didn’t even suspend him for the whole year.

The two punches were about as different as two punches can be.

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by babaoreally on Oct 17, 2011 7:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Yea, a punch with the helmet on...

…is not the same thing as clocking a guy without one. Sorry.

by GoAUpher on Oct 17, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

After the game?

Yeah. EXACT same thing.

Lay off the meth, bro.

by cwel87 on Oct 17, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

forever and always rec’d

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Oct 17, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care who it's from

You tell Michigan the business, you get a rec

by SpartyFever on Oct 17, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

He said MGoBlog.

I know MSU fans can’t read. I expect better of Hawkeyes.

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by jeepnut on Oct 17, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Grow a Pair

Hi Michigan, fuck you. Let’s get some things straight: 1) We don’t like you, so crying about how we beat up your players during the game is pointless. People who actually played football know that this stuff happens all the time. There are several ways to deal with it, and apparently you chose crying after the game instead of handling it on the field. Poor choice, but not surprising. 2) We are better than you in football. Not an opinion – a fact. 3)When UM gets their butt hurt they’ll bitch about anything and everything except how their team blows. We gave you half of your offense in penalty yards! We tried to help you out but you’re just that awful I guess.

I’d say ‘better luck next year’ but you obviously need more than luck. Go to your room little brother and don’t come out till you’ve grown a pair. You’re reactions to this game are an embarrassment to the state.

by StickyGreen on Oct 17, 2011 9:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

This stuff does happen all the time

Especially with interior lineman – the fact that something like Gholston’s punch was seen by a ref was only due to it being in the wide open. There are a lot of posts all over the interwebz citing how whiny ALL the Michigan fans at MGoBlog and everywhere else are, but the vast majority of Michigan fans agree with your first two points above. For every “We should write a letter to Jim Delany” crybaby, there are threeve “We lost, quit being a bitch” responders. As for your third point – every fanbase does this. Losing sucks, and everyone points to “this play could have changed it” or “the coach cheats.” Michigan lost – got beat in every aspect of the game. It’s a physical game, and I’m glad that’s the response that all of Michigan’s players made to the press.

In previous years, I would at this point root for State to win out. Of course now with divisional play I hope they lose every game with Gopher-esque play.

I'm not NOT licking toads...

by Idubbz on Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

GHOLSTON IS SUCH A THUG

LOOK AT HIM! I’VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A DESPICABLE PLAYER! HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED AND THROWN IN JAIL! WHAT A MALADJUSTED PERSON, STRAIGHT OUT OF DETROIT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLp3wh3QHi4&feature=youtu.be&hd=1

Sorry, just wanted to post the summary over at MGoBlog. Makes for good reading!

by SpartyFever on Oct 17, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

So I looked up that first play on the play by play, and it appears that the flag was one of the personal fouls (this one, giving M a 1st down on what would have been 4th & 3).

From that angle, I can’t see everything that is going on, but I’m going to assume it was a late hit flag on Gholston.

The only issue I have with this is, how is this a late hit? The whistle wasn’t blown until after Gholston had actually landed on Denard! If this is the facemask twist play, then the flag isn’t for that, either – it came in before that would have happened. And I cannot imagine it was that play, seeing as how Gholston actually helped up Denard, who then gave him a “thanks for the sportsmanship” type pat on the helmet.

Anybody have further insight?

by MSUDersh on Oct 17, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, there was no penalty called on that play.

It was 2nd and 19 on that play so impossible to get to 4th and 3

by clay-born to party on Oct 17, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

But don't forget, when a UM player comes straight out of Detroit

And struggles with those issues, they’re not “thugs”, they’re just “misunderstood”.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110512/COL22/105120545/Michael-Rosenberg-Ex-Michigan-star-Robert-Traylor-s-troubles-don-t-tell-whole-story

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by jhitts08 on Oct 17, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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