MSU 37 - UW 31
by MSULaxer27 on Oct 23, 2011 2:50 AM CDT
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Sorry to go all Simmons-esque with the picture attached to this story but this was the image I had in mind after the conclusion of the game tonight.
Call it a draw, call it a toss up, call it a "hanging chad" if you must. After 59 minutes and 56 seconds MSU and UW were deadlocked. Each team kept taking the other teams best shot and kept getting back up off the mat for another go. If this game would have gone to overtime, it would seem only fair. I am biased to be sure, but I think the wrong call was made on the field and the right one was made in the booth, however I wouldn't have been surprised if they called it the exact opposite way (TD on the field, Short in the booth) and sent us to OT. It seems only fitting that it came down to a body twist, a matter of inches and a judgement call. On UW's previous series a judgement call decided that Wilson was not guilty of intentional grounding while commentators thought and replays appeared to show that he was inside the tackle box when he threw it out of bounds. It seems somewhat unfufilling (not the victory) that it ended the way it did. What did we learn?
MSU did not "steal" this game. Keep in mind that after taking the lead late in the second half, MSU never trailed again. The hail mary was to win the game to be certain, but an unsuccessful result to the play would have not meant a loss. Can we put to rest the notion that this MSU team is undeserving or lucky? UW may be maligned for dropping the inexplicable game when it is highly ranked with national expectations, but this was not 2005 14th ranked 5-0 UW waltzing into Evanston and losing to unranked 2-2 NU. The Spartans were ranked themselves.
While ND's loss to (a 5-1) USC does not help our cause, that is our sole blemish on the season. MSU has consistently held their opponents to below their seasonal averages in their contests. It was no mean feat to hold a UW team that came in averaging 50 points per game to 31. To score 37 against a defense that was allowing an average of 9.7. At some point it should stop being that Team XYZ didn't take advantage of what they were given and move to the fact that this is a very good MSU team. That their defense is something special. Notice I will not say that we are on par with LSU, UA or even OkSt., we still have much to prove. Heck, if we played this game 10 times or in Camp Randall the outcome might be very different. Still many would have predicted that during our October gauntlet we would go 1-3 or 2-2 at best, but here we are with a chance to go 3-1 at worst. In the past month MSU has beaten both of the other co-champs from last season. Maybe it doesn't make up for the slight we feel from being dispatched as canon fodder to an angry Alabama squad, but it certainly feels good to me.
There are a lot of football games left to be played. Hopefully the MSU players have learned their lesson about reading positive press clippings before a big road game. If there is any justice both teams will continue their march to Indy and we can try this again. Tonight's performance has left me more confident that if we play to our potential we have a very good chance to be the Legends representative in the inaugural championship game.
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Sparty whoa!
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by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 23, 2011 3:45 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
good game Wisconsin
We got the W, but it would be very difficult to say that these teams are anything than very evenly matched, and the parity in stats bears that out. Maybe it did take our best game to beat you, hopefully we’ll get to find out in Indy.
Hope the coin flips go your way the rest of the season.
Next week just became a must win for Nebraska
if they’re going to win the division. I don’t see anyone else on MSU’s schedule pulling an upset.
Sparty isn't winning in Kinnick.
Although the bounces that Sparty got last night give me pause when it comes to that. The last 7/8 minutes of that game were eerily similar to the Wisconsin/Iowa game in Iowa City last year.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
This is the exact kind of stupid prediction I referenced
When will people learn.
You have no clue whatsoever if Michigan State will win in Kinnick. Do not act as though you’re some sort of modern day Nostradamus when you probably know less about football than millions of people.
It's as if you didn't read my actual post,
which would seem odd considering it’s right above yours.
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Making a declarative statement like 'Sparty isn't winning in Kinnick' obviously overrules your 'luck' caveat
Of course, you’ve completely ignored the fact that Iowa sucks and Michigan State is very good, but why be burdened with the facts? You have a useless historical statistic on your side!
Iowa sucked last year and still beat your boys by 31 points.
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
That was a talented, underachieving squad
This year is a less talented, achieving-about-what-objective-people-expected team. If they go 2-2 or better in November, good for them.
But it isn’t exactly likely. Did you even watch the Penn State game?
Sure I did.
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Then how in the world do you conjure up a seemingly guaranteed victory against a better defense and much better offense?
Oh, right. Useless historical statistics.
You know
you get incredibly butt-hurt when anyone mentions historical statistics that go against MSU, but I didn’t notice you jumping down the throats of your Spartans fan fellow-travelers last week when they referenced Wisky’s historic difficulties in East Lansing.
You’re absolutely right that prior seasons’ performances have no bearing on how this (or any other) season will play out. It would just be nice if you would apply you admonishments across the board instead of selectively.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
It is always across the board.
Spartans should know better as well. Unfortunately, I do not see every single comment ever posted, and thus, cannot react to each one individually.
Blanket statement: the Spartan Stadium thing to Wisconsin and the Kinnick Stadium thing to Michigan State is a =n E$P-fabricated statistic, and should count for nothing when actually evaluating the games.
Happy?
I can understand not seeing every comment
but you had to be pretty intentionally oblivious last week to miss the MSU-favoring comments. And the Kinnick/Spartan Stadium statistic isn’t some “ESPN fabrication” (and really, we all need to stop blaming ESPN for every little perceived slight), it is a fact. MSU has not won in Kinnick since 1988? and Wisky has struggled in East Lansing. Those are pure, objective facts. But they are useless for any sort of projection of what will happen, because they have absolutely no bearing on the outcome.
And you are right that past performance isn’t determinative. And right now, I’m scared shitless of the MSU team that Iowa will be facing in a few weeks. What I thought were MSU’s biggest question marks/flaws coming into the season – LB play and inexperience on the O-line – seemed to have been solved, thus allowing the strong suits of your team to shine.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
When I mean fabricated, I do not mean to attack the truthfulness
I mean to attack the validity of them. There is no validity to some dude going 3-for-3 in his career against Justin Verlander, just as there is no validity to any sort of ‘streak’ material.
It’s all trivia – perhaps fun trivia, but trivia no less. And the definition of trivia? Trivial. But, I’m sure I’m writing this to the wrong person, because you obviously understand the points I’m making.
Iowa’s a good team, and they’ve got almost as good a chance as anyone of beating State. But I like State’s odds based off on how they match up, and I think if we found a few objective observers, they’d agree. We’ve still got weeks until they actually play, though, and it’s football.
“The person that seems to know everything is the one who is certain he knows nothing.”
of course this conversation is incomplete without...
an Iowa fan who suffers from inferiority complex saying how is team whopped us last year..
by spartynation on Oct 23, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone knows how good or bad Iowa is yet.
Over the last two weeks they’ve finally starting playing to their strength, which is on the offensive side of the ball. That being said, the competition hasn’t been the best, so it’s hard to gauge it either way.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Sparty was fortunate that game didn't go into overtime.
Cousins took that brutal sack on the final possession, Bielema inexplicably called timeout, and the officials missed an obvious false start on 3rd and 8.
I’m not saying the game was a fluke, just saying that Sparty had some things go their way at the end that make you go hmmm…
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
But the game didn't go into overtime
And it didn’t go into overtime because the Spartans picked themselves up after that atrocious fumble, Bielema decided to gift us with five timeouts in the half, and the referees missed a call. Wait! Hold the presses! The referees MISSED A CALL?
THAT’S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. EVER.
Or, Wisconsin could have actually prevented the Spartans from having a chance at points at the end of the game. And then guess what?
The game would have gone into overtime.
It's as if I've insulted you personally, and/or you take things literally.
Sparty had some things go their way last night that good teams usually need to go all the way. They got some 2009 Iowa calls and/or bounces to go their way. Teams that go to BCS games usually have that happen once or twice a year.
You’re interpreting that as me saying that MSU was fortunate to win – and that isn’t what I was saying at all. MSU punched Wisconsin right back after Wisconsin got out to a big lead, and that WAS impressive. MSU certainly earned it last night.
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for clarification.
It certainly seems like you are saying that we were fortunate to win and that because of this we stand little chance to win at Iowa this year.
Except I never said "fortunate to win."
MSU certainly earned it last night. Looked like a Badger route early on.
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Or "rout." Who needs an edit feature?
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
No problem. Read the rest of the post next time.
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Glad you're serving as the prediction police
How dare anyone say what they think is going to happen!
You've made just as many predictions as anyone else
Just because your hunch/analysis has been borne out doesn’t mean that others’ predictions are illegitimate. Any prediction is, at the end of the day, based more on a hunch and “feel” than any “fact”, because quite simply different statistics can be marshaled to support widely competing outcomes, depending on viewpoint and what the individual believes to be more determinative.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
lol.
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 23, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted MSU to win last night,
even though a Wisconsin win would have helped the Hawks. Part of my reasoning is that MSU has two tough road games coming up, and both of those games are in the division.
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by CarolinaHawk on Oct 23, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not saying this Iowa fan is a loser.
but certainly by his statements made here..he might be delusional and a loser.W
Dude, we still have to go to Nebraska before we start Kinnick talk. go enjoy Halloween and then talk about this in 3 weeks.
by spartynation on Oct 23, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Really not necessary to call someone a loser just because he has a different opinion than you.
Truth is we haven’t won in Iowa City since before the Berlin Wall fell. In our chance to “prove” we were ready to move to the grown up table last year in Kinnick, we performed poorly.
Until we win in Kinnick or Lincoln we haven’t really “proved” anything except that we are a good opportunistic team. Those two games will really show us what we have here.
Finally, someone who gets it
I love the Spartans, and I think we can win in Kinnick this season. That said, no one needs to get all up in arms about people who don’t think we will. We have had Wisconsin’s number recently, and Iowa has had ours.
Also, we’re a very good team. Very good teams do what it takes to win. That doesn’t mean everyone has to sing the praises of MSU. There is still a lot of football left to be played. Let’s not get angry at everyone who hasn’t bought into Dantonio and the Spartans yet. I know I have though.
Hey Cabrera! Nice haircut!
And sometimes very good teams lose heartbreaking games . . .
See the ENTIRE 2010 Iowa season.
It’s hard for Iowa fans to fear MSU, even when they look good, because of both recent and longer history. That in no way should be interepreted as disresepect, because most Iowa fans objectively know MSU is good.
It’s just they are not FEARED because Iowa a) beat the crap out of a good MSU team last year and b) pretty much ALWAYS beats them at Kinnick.
That certainly can change this year – and I’m sure the pre-game line will refelect that – but it’s hard for the average Iowa fan to get their head around.
This is exactly what I'm referencing above.
Its not that MSU is a good team, but somehow just a “lucky” one. We were lucky last year how the schedule lined up, “sparing” us OSU. We’re lucky this year in that UW didn’t capitalize on everything they were given (except that um, they did, scoring on the only turnover they recovered).
Is it possible that these players have learned from their experience? Is it possible that this is the year that a good MSU team ends its snide in Kinnick? I’m sure most of us will agree that Iowa underperformed last year comparative to their level of talent and played probably their best game of the season against us last year.
Will we win out? I don’t know. Are we capable of doing so? Hell yes.
Here’s something that should worry you all: 2 seniors were listed as starters on yesterday’s defensive depth chart and their were only 3 seniors total on that same list. Most of these guys will return next year.
Worthy could leave early, which would hurt...
…but Dantonio is stockpiling talent in EL.
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Does it involve voodoo, or an alliance with the Chechen mob?
That chick was, like, the Pele of anal.
by Bob Genghiskhan on Oct 24, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Where in the draft is he projected to go?
Because if he’s a high first-rounder, I don’t see him (or very many players) sticking around. It’s nice to believe that guys really want to win a national title, but the number who are willing to forgo the money for a year is very, very small.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Last season many predicted first round but for some reason his stock dropped.
I have read where it is suggested that he will go somewhere in the second round.
If that's the case
I can certainly see him coming back. For some reason, I thought he was projected inside the Top 15, making it almost certain that he was gone.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
OK, I'll say it...
…Iowa has the best chance of beating MSU after Nebraska. But not because of Kinnick, because of Kirk Ferentz.
Just like DarkDantonio was RichRod and BrettBiel’s nemesis (sorry for the cheap parallelism there), KF has been Dantonio’s nemesis. 7 got 6, the whupping in IC last year, the OT game in 2007…yeah.
No matter what their record is, Iowa always seems to have MSU’s number. It’s like Ferentz has third level thinking: KF knows what Dantonio would do because it’s what KF would do, so KF knows how to counter what Dantonio/KF would do.
But hey, one game at a time.
I'd pick MSU on Nov. 12.
But yes, Iowa has a better shot of beating MSU than Nebraska does. Not because Iowa is better than Michigan State this year; they’re not. It’s because Ferentz has a knack for winning this sort of game against superior opponents, like Iowa did to Penn State in 2008.
I expect pretty much a replay of the Michigan-MIchigan State game next Saturday in Lincoln, but with less helmet-twisting. (Not a shot at MSU; they would have won even without that bit of stretching the envelope on aggressiveness.)
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 23, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe so,
but Iowa matched up physically with MSU in prior games. Iowa’s defense is getting pushed all over the field right now, we’re playing three guys who would have been DBs in years past — at linebacker — and we have no push on the DL. Other than that, sure, Ferentz has Dantonio’s number, I guess.
If we score 45 (which is very possible) and Cousins throws a couple of picks and Baker/Bell fumble once, yeah, I guess we can say that we’ll beat MSU in Kinnick. I also think we can say that MSU will kick the shit out of us. We had a 195 pound true freshman in the second group of linebackers yesterday. Morris is playing on one leg, Hitchens has a seriously screwed up knee, Edds has metal pins in his hand.
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the linebacker play?
We play tackle football.
Nielson. Tyler Nielson has the pins... Wish we still had Edds!
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by BentNotBroken on Oct 23, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya. You mean Greenway?
Sorry, those three guys are an excellent blur for me.
We play tackle football.
Roth or Angerer even.
hawkeye defense needs some attitude. Hoping AJ Derby brings some much needed machismo.
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by BentNotBroken on Oct 23, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa hasn't gotten it's "ass kicked" in several seasons
Many close, heartbreaking losses, yes.
But I don’t see many ass kicking commencing. Isn’t the 13-3 loss to Penn State the largest margin of victory in like two seasons against Iowa?
Iowa can certainly lose against MSU in Kinnick – although I personally have the game at about a 50-50 coin toss – but I’m quite confident there will not be an “ass kicking”. That seems needlessly pessimistic to me.
Iowa fans are having a hard time reversing the usual trend of relying on the D while the O struggles. I think Iowa has an explosive enough offense that it can win some shootout type games.
You have it as a coin flip because you're biased.
Michigan State’s offense is better. Michigan State’s defense is worlds better. Sure, it’s in Kinnick.
Iowa has an arbitrary historical statistic on their side. Michigan State has a significantly better football team on theirs.
There’s nothing about that game that’s a coin flip. Unless, of course, injury chaos ensues within the next few weeks, which of course begs the question: why the hell are we talking about this? I can tell you State fans couldn’t give two shits about Iowa right now. They care about Nebraska. And it’s safe to say State players feel similarly.
Know why? Guess.
First of all.. pretty much all fans are biased.. yourself included
that being said, I think Iowa is a definite underdog in that game. As has been stated elsewhere though, due to recent history (especially in Kinnick.. yes past results don’t guarantee future success etc. etc.) Iowa fans have a hard time taking MSU completely serious. MSU is a better team than most Iowa fans are giving them credit for but don’t blame us for being a bit skeptical.. we have seen this show before and the deja vu is tough to get around.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 24, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't seem to understand
I hope Iowa doesn’t take Michigan State seriously. That’s the goal.
The problem has been that Michigan State hasn’t taken Iowa seriously, not the other way around.
Why in God's name wouldn't MSU take Iowa seriously last year?
More recent Big 10 championships (when they played last year)
More recent BCS Bowl win
More recent Rose Bowl appearance
More recent head-to-head win
That is simply a laughable excuse for why Sparty got the living shit kicked out of them in Kinnick last year.
My point is: Iowa clearly got up to play
The Spartans clearly didn’t.
I would like to see the reverse occur in Iowa City this year by any means necessary.
ANY MEANS NECESSARY?????? SPARTY DIRTY!!!!
/wolverine’d
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by BentNotBroken on Oct 24, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
?!
There’s a difference between “didn’t get up to play” and “played like warmed-over ass while also failing to catch a single break”. If you think MSU went in there not fired up for a chance to get past the largest remaining hurdle on the schedule and all but lock up a Rose Bowl bid, you’re full of crap.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
cue the "not sure if serious" pic
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Oct 24, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I will re-post a comment I made earlier that you may have missed . . .
But this is why I think the game is a 50-50 split:
Sometimes very good teams lose heartbreaking games . . . See the ENTIRE 2010 Iowa season.
It’s hard for Iowa fans to fear MSU, even when they look good, because of both recent and longer history. That in no way should be interepreted as disresepect, because most Iowa fans objectively know MSU is good.
It’s just they are not FEARED because Iowa a) beat the crap out of a good MSU team last year and b) pretty much ALWAYS beats them at Kinnick.
That certainly can change this year – and I’m sure the pre-game line will refelect that – but it’s hard for the average Iowa fan to get their head around.
Do you honestly think that MSU has decidedly better personnel than Iowa? As (I believe you) pointed out in another comment in this thread, the two teams pretty much recruit the same gays and pretty much employ the same offensive and defensive schemes.
It’s not unreasonable at all to think that a home team as an underdog will win in this game. I’d submit that your bias (MSU is clearly superior and the notion it’s a 50-50 game) is much stronger than mine (saying that an Iowa team that has historically dominated MSU in Kinnick and has a relatively equal raw talent level has only a 50-50 shot at winning at home).
And don’t give me the “history means nothing in sports” bunk either. I’m a fucking Cubs fan.
Doh - "gays" is "guys" . . .
Although I’m sure if there are some excellent gay football players out there, Iowa and MSU would go after them equally hard as both programs are at progressive-minded Big 10 campuses.
History means nothing in sports
I’m a Mariners fan. I’m an Eagles fan. I kind of have everyone matched on that one.
I will argue the relatively equal raw talent level, but again – I’m going to wait until the week of the actual game to do so. Because, right now, we have no clue what the mentality of each squad will be when they meet up in mid-November.
I disagree
with the notion that MSU’s offense is better. Your defense is worlds better, and I think that will make all the difference.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The skill positions State has are incredible
And the offensive line has turned out to be more than serviceable. I don’t think the Spartans would have been held to 3 points against Penn State’s defense.
Of course, that’s just conjecture. Also, it’s three weeks away. Let’s hold our respective phones!
KF=Potassium Fluoride.
Chemical hence potent.
Dantonio=Italian, non potent.
Hence KF has Dantonio’s number.
It’s like Ferentz has third level thinking: KF knows what Dantonio would do because it’s what KF would do, so KF knows how to counter what Dantonio/KF would do.
OOOOOOHHH..we could use KF to run for President in 2012. Can destroy his opponents!!
by spartynation on Oct 23, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
OK--I finally saw the angles that show Nichols did get the ball across the goal line.
Last night, I was not convinced the officials got the overturn right, and I am definitely not a Badger fan.
So, perfect ending to an awesome game.
Here’s to the rematch in Indy.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 23, 2011 8:41 AM CDT reply actions
I still don't think it should have been overturned
And I think Nichols did get in. This is the classic case of there not being “indisputable” video evidence to overturn the call (whichever way it had been called on the field). It may have been the “right” call, but it wasn’t the “correct” call.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Oct 23, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd agree with that.
But now I’m not living in Madison surrounded by people getting excited for potential MNC appearance. The small schadenfreude victories you look for when your team is sucking it up…
Every team has their nemesis
Wisconsin seems to make unusual mistakes against MSU they don’t against other teams. So many dropped passes, poor special teams play, you name it.
Great game
If that game was played ten times…it isn’t played ten times. This isn’t baseball.
It was played once, and it may be played once more. Michigan State is currently the best team in the B1G – and that very well may be a title that is rescinded next week in Lincoln.
Or maybe not, because based on evidence so far, UN-L is a poor man’s Michigan. Or maybe so, because UN-L is as daunting a place to travel to as any, and the Spartans may be overconfident. We do not know quite yet, but we certainly will find out.
If anything, I hope this game tells people that they don’t have a damn clue what the hell’s going to happen when two good teams line up against one another to play a game of tackle football.
One of the best Big Ten games in quite some time
I think we get a rematch in Indy.
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Well said. When you do it once, it’s a fluke. It’s not a fluke anymore with MSU.
Spartan Stadium is to Wisconsin
as Kinnick Stadium is to MSU.
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Whole slug of important games next weekend.
The DVR will be busy. Hopefully the Nebraska/MSU game is the late game.
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I know Wisconsin/Ohio State is at 8 PM EST.
Not sure about the other games. Hang on.
Looks like Michigan State and Nebraska is at noon next week.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 23, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Just to silence any doubters...
Behold my Mad MSPaint skillz!
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by Spartan D on Oct 23, 2011 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
...............
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That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 23, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, enough already.
It WAS a touchdown. Know how I know? Because the referee said “touchdown” and gave the signal for a touchdown, and then left the field.
Yeah...
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Oct 24, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome game. Amazing finish.
First thing that stuck out: Russell Wilson was shell shocked. Welcome to the B1G. /safety’d!
Second observation: Dantonio out coached Bielema.
Thirdly: Sparty is good. Real good. 0 penalties, michigan men…
One question: Can Dantonio keep his players winning?
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Two very good teams who went at it for 60 minutes
That was an amazing game. Luckily, I was rooting for the team that won. It would take me a while to admit how great the game was if Wisconsin had won in OT. MSU may have had some bounces go their way, but the good teams create their own luck. Those Spartans just know how to win.
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The first quarter bounces did not go our way
The second quarter was a complete flip. That interception (which looked to me almost by accident) changed everything. If that pick doesn’t happen, MSU goes down 21 – 0 and a blowout ensues. This game was such a game of momentum.
So let me get this streight
every MSU fan on OTE jumped on an Iowa fan and got defensive because he said that he didnt think that MSU would win in Iowa…………..and IOWA fan saying he thought IOWA would win and thats somehow taboo, as if every college fan ever hasnt said something similar?
i shake my head in shame Sparty. and they say Iowa fans are sensitive. i dont know how you guys made it out of 2010 without hanging yourselves.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 23, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions
No, not every MSU fan.
Not this one.
Not MSULaxer27.
Not CPT Hoolie.
I definitely think Iowa can win any game at home. As can Nebraska. I think those are the two most difficult games remaining for MSU, and they are by no means favorites in either in my view.
MSU has never beaten Nebraska. Never. (Only 5 meetings, but they were all beat-downs.) At Lincoln, with their title hopes on the line? I fully expect Nebraska to play their best game of the year and if MSU does not match them it will be a Husker win.
And like others have said, Iowa, as much as any other team in the B1G, has Michigan’s State number. There is a reason for this. In Dantonio’s first two years as head coach at MSU, when the Spartans were an improving team but still league also-rans, Dantonio more than once stated that the team he wanted to be like was… Iowa. The teams play a similar style offense. They play a similar style defense. They clash repeatedly over recruits (they covet the same type of players for some reason).
Kinnick has been a house of horrors for MSU in recent years, and it very well could be again this year. Or not. Heck, even Minnesota, Indiana, or Northwestern (in order of MSU’s remaining schedule), could beat MSU. There’s a reason they actually play the games.
The sideline is always greener at MSU.
by Green 96 on Oct 23, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and i jumped down your throat
Know why? because many MSU fans are being oversensitive
This isn’t rocket science.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 23, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's like a Georgia Tech fan
without the fancy pie-graphs
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
And Iowa fans need to grow some thicker skin...
An Iowa fan makes a statement that there is “no way” that MSU beats Iowa. MSU fans disagree. That is all that happened. If that level is decorum is out-of-bounds, then I say that your earlier assessment of Iowa fans was spot on.
Google's homepage celebrates too much shit.
Easy on your stereotypes.
This Iowa fan posted a comment about the actual game. … no one chose to engage that comment, which is totally fine, but don’t lump a whole fanbase together because of your selective reading skills.
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by BentNotBroken on Oct 23, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Not out of bounds you say?
“Im not saying this Iowa fan is a loser, but certainly by his statements made here..he might be delusional and a loser” (Im not saying its Aliens………..Its Aliens). I get that MSULaxer rebuked it pretty quick, but comments like that kind of do tick me off.
I wouldn’t have commented at all if they were just “disagreeing”,its one thing to say you respectfully disagree and have an intelligent conversation, maybe throw out some facts about each team, how maybe Iowa didnt preform well against PSUs defense or how anyone with a pulse has dominated Iowas Defense, or bring up how well MSU did against Wisconsin and Michigan. that would be one thing, but its another thing to jump all over a guy for a relatively innocent comment and basically yell “dont go assuming things!!!!!” over and over and over at him.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 23, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he said 'they won't win in Kinnick'
He didn’t say ‘I like our chances of beating them in Kinnick’ because he has no rationalization to back that up at all. He made a declarative statement. Stop acting like it was some kind of nonchalant cautious optimism.
Which isn't to say Iowa doesn't have a chance of beating Michigan State
Of course they do; better than any other team left on the regular season slate not named after a vegetable collector.
Know why? Because they’re the second-best team left on the schedule! Not because of some past-results nonsense.
by cwel87 on Oct 23, 2011 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bug eaters??
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by BentNotBroken on Oct 23, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So?
i didnt realize there was some rule against making declarative statements
besides that, if you had bothered to take his whole comment in, you would have realized that he was pretty much saying “i think Iowa wins, but MSU has me worried with the kind of play they had in the endgame, reminded me of Iowa vs Wisconsin last year”. he shouldnt have to spell it out for you that its his opinion, you should be able to read between the lines and realize its his opinion.
instead you declared his post stupid.
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 23, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's a rule against making declarative statements if you don't want to look the part of a moron
Otherwise, have at it.
My guess, though, is most don’t like to look like morons.
All people who make declarative sentences are morons
by Torbee on Oct 24, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Evidence to back it up is traditionally the caveat
But, those silly facts. They always get in the way!
What evidence, incidentally, have you put forth?
All you’ve trotted out are declarative statements to counter the declarative statements of others. There’s been no analysis, no comparisions of strengths and relative weaknesses; nothing, but statements that EVERYONE ELSE is wrong for making declarative statements sprinkled with un-backed assertions that MSU has the better team – a conclusion I may agree with, but certainly not because you offered any support.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I have, multiple times, mentioned that State's offense, defense, and special teams are all significantly better than Iowa's
That’s how football games are won and lost, no?
I could put it in a nice, colorful graph for you. Or, I could just do this.
Total Offense:
58. Iowa – 396.43 yards gained, 29 TD Scored
66. Michigan State – 388.86 yards gained, 26 TD Scored
Total Defense:
2. Michigan State – 222.86, 13 TD Allowed
78. Iowa – 406.71, 20 TD allowed
That’s not taking into account the upcoming games, of course. As of last week, State’s SOS (which will be bumped up significantly from facing Wisconsin) was 51, while Iowa’s (which will fall from facing Iowa) was 58. So a bit more normalization on that account will change over the next few weeks.
And State still has the significant statistical advantage.
If Iowa played themselves, I'm sure their SOS would fall
Unfortunately, having played Indiana, it will likely fall further!
Apparently, the SoS marks I had cited were way off
Here’s an updated ranking.
Michigan State is 14th, and Iowa is 100th. Which makes the statistical disparity all the more impressive.
Aren't past experiences, like um, not relevant?
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by BentNotBroken on Oct 24, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
They aren't predictive of future results.
That means that Iowa could, hypothetically, win 100-0. The chances of that happening, however, are infinitesimally minute.
We use what’s at our disposal to best dictate the results. That would be total offense/defense/performance of special teams (on-field factors that show the competence of the current squads), and not horseshit from 1989 (useless, completely irrelevant factors).
Indeed. Any given Saturday.
Cheese curds and sour grapes has never been more enjoyable, no? Classic upset.
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by BentNotBroken on Oct 25, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
To this point, he has submitted zero.
The “evidence” says that MSU hasn’t won at Kinnick Stadium since the US invasion of Panama.
Watching the Cubs piss it away for 31 years.
by CarolinaHawk on Oct 24, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
To your point, I need not submit anything
Instead, you should probably get to your beloved University of Iowa and audit a freshman/entry-level Statistics course. As soon as possible.
Ha...
“Vegetable collector.” That is awesome.
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