Plus 1 (Or More): Hall, Herron, & Posey Suspended for Nebraska Game
In what has become a common scene in the continuing parade of terribles in Columbus, Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith took to the podium this afternoon to announce that three players - offensive lineman Marcus Hall, running back Dan Herron and receiver DeVier Posey - have been suspended for Saturday's game at Nebraska for accepting improper benefits for a job they worked.
It is another square roundhouse kick to the face of the embattled program, although Smith maintained his confidence that the latest in a seemingly never-ending string of violations would not result in a Lack of Institutional Control or Failure to Monitor Allegation. Smith characterized the violations as an "individual" not a "systematic" problem.
We'll see.
Meanwhile, players like Carlos Hyde are openly criticizing the coaching staff, defensive starters are complaining about the offenses' impotence, reports are swirling of internal strife in the lockerroom, Linebackers Coach Mike Vrabel and Offensive Coordinator Jim Bollman are allegedly getting into confrontations, and Luke Fickell's in-game decision-making is getting skewered all over the web. As our colleagues at Along the Olentangy summarize:
"The coaching staff has forced Miller into a pro-style offense, bludgeoning his athleticism and inexperience into a natural, experienced passer's hole. The routes being run-- square-ins, deep posts, fades-- are vestiges of Ohio State's 2010 playbook, and they reveal an offensive staff unable to adjust. Terrelle Pryor, now an Oakland Raider, rarely threw these routes his first two seasons, yet the Buckeye coaches somehow deem Miller capable."
Ladies and Gentlemen, the wheels are coming off in Columbus. The only good news for Buckeye fans? The decision to fire Fickell at the end of the season and bring in an experienced leader is getting easier by the day.
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Who is this?
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I'm thinking bowl eligibility
iIs a long shot right now. Honestly, I think Fickell’s gone by the tenth or eleventh game.
Why?
He’s an interim coach. Let Fickel run out the season. How does that hurt? Barring a B1G title, it wasn’t like they were going to keep him anyway. Let him putter to 5-8 wins, and then back up the Brinks truck for Urban.
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I don't disagree that's the best thing to do.
But you could also argue that firing him a couple weeks early gives you a slight edge for the coaching search. Provides more time to convince a big name coach to come (I’m not convinced that is a simple task right now).
You can do the search with him still coaching
That’s the benefit of having an interim. You just let him finish out the year while making it known that there will be a new sheriff in town next year.
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If they do that
they need to tell him as soon as the UM game is over that he’s out, and use that month or so between then and the bowl game to search for a guy and get a decision. That’s a big recruiting time, and OSU is already behind the power curve with that.
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I'll write about this eventually
But uh, OSU might win 5 games and that changes everything.
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I'll wait until it actually happens
before I start taking glee in it. Granted, the situation is very different this year, but I remember in 2004 everyone getting positively giddy that Ohio State wouldn’t make a bowl game, only to see them roll off four or five straight wins.
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Yes, but
After they benched Zwick for Troy Smith, they never had to switch back due to Smith’s failings. This is the worst Ohio State team since ’99.
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I still wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them beat Nebraska
or at least scare the bejesus out of them.
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Wisconsin showed how to stop Nebraska's offense
and i think OSU has a defense more than capable of doing the same thing.
now whether the offense can take advantage is another thing…….ah well, either way one of them loses, and thats just dandy
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 3, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I think people are overreacting to OSU's offensive woes.
If that is even possible. Yes, they looked awful against Miami and Michigan State, but those teams looked very good and deserve some credit there. But, Ohio State is getting experience and one would expect them to get better over time.
The bigger, more worrisome issue for Ohio State is that they lack great leadership at coach. They seem distracted by their drop in quality play and the suspensions will not help that. And there is an apparent rift between defense and offense.
My sense is they will either come out strong with an us against the world attitude and catch a slumping, hangover’d Nebraska or they will look like they are in disarray, melt with one bad turnover or bad bounce and go on to one of their worst seasons in history.
I sincerely expect the former, but would not be surprised by the latter.
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No, I don't think so
If it was just one thing, I think you could look at that and say ‘fix it’, like pass protection, bad quarterback play, receivers dropping passes, or offensive play calling.
It’s all of it. And there’s a feeling that Luke Fickell won’t do anything about it, because he really can’t. He’s a defensive guy that has given the offense to Jim Bollman by fiat, and Bollman is proving he doesn’t know what to do with the talent he has. In the past Tressel would take over for Bollman and put in the right personnel and call the right plays, but that’s gone.
Where Tressel did a pretty good job of putting the players in position to make plays, and building an offense around the talent he had at his disposal, Bollman seems intent on trying to force the square peg in to the round hole, and then blame the peg when he can’t get through.
OSU has a stunning dearth of playmakers—the go to receivers and best option at quarterback are wide eyed freshmen, and the quarterback is asked to play in a system that is not taking advantage of his natural running ability. They expect him to try and run an offense like an upperclassman, and when he doesn’t, the coaching staff seems surprised.
Give Tressel credit for this—he knew the ability and ceiling of his players, and rarely put them in a position where he would be forced to ask more from them than he knew they were capable of delivering. When he famously reigned in Pryor after the Purdue debacle, OSU’s offense might have gotten boring, but they won, to include MIchigan and the Rose Bowl…after they had an extra 6 weeks of practice and get TP comfortable with what they wanted him to do.
I sense that neither Fickell or Bollman have any idea what to do offensively, except to keep trying to push that square through that circle. It has failed miserably against quality competition, and I expect it to continue to fail.
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Their offense is not good, there is no arguing that
but last I checked MSU was supposed to be one of the strongest offenses in the league and they stuffed them. The objective is still to outscore the opponent and I think they can do that against Nebraska.
I wouldn’t bet on it. But, my post is as much an indictment on Nebraska who I think is MUCH softer than MSU. I think most people, and increasingly Ohio State fans, want to act as if Ohio State isn’t the best team in the conference then they must be the worst. And that’s laughable. The fact that Ohio State lacks a good offense just means they have to find other ways to win. They just might do that this weekend because the opponent is tailor made for their shortcomings.
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LOL - Screw the Buckeyes. THey deserve all this and more.
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Yes...
We all know that. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t talk about it. And enjoy it.
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I don't mean to suggest this shouldn't be talked about and laughed about and celebrated.
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notttttt alot of buckeye fans talking anymore huh?
I would feel worse for them, but one of the buckeye fans that run around here said “how does it feel to be the second best team in Iowa?”. probably feels better than being the second best team with the fourth or fifth best offense in Ohio.
why you duckin the bobcats OSU?!? Brutus still too scared to go?

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 3, 2011 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I really don't have the history here to care one way or another,
but this picture and the story about a guy taking one class to be eligible for Mascot duty so that he could jump Brutus is one of the funniest moments in college football history.
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by KennardHusker on Oct 3, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And the fact that it was captured in such a picture
Just makes it infinitely better.
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WhaHa?!
Somehow, I don’t know this story. Please retell it for me or give me a link.
by njd on Oct 3, 2011 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Happened last year
Here’s a link with video included. This is my favorite part
In fact, the guy in the suit, Brandon Hanning, told the Ohio student newspaper he tried out for the job with the explicit intention of assaulting Brutus this year – then dropped out after landing the gig. He’s currently a student at nearby Hocking College. And he is not sorry at all: “It was the whole reason I tried out (to be Rufus) last year,” he told The Post. “I knew we were going back to OSU this year, and I wanted to tackle Brutus.”
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by KennardHusker on Oct 3, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I am still around., I don’t post much, but read the site most days. Although I don’t get attacked as much as some of the other over the top posters.
IF (huge IF and very doubtful right now) the offense can at least get a little untracked, the team could still be very dangerous with a pretty good D. However, ask must Buckeye fans and we never had much faith in Bollman, even when Tressel was around. Now, Bollman is a dead man walking and I fear the offense will do nothing the rest of the year.
Before the season, I had hoped for 10-2, but expected 9-3 (losing ot MSU, Nebraska, and likely WIsconsin). After the past few weeks, I’ll be surprised, but hopeful, we can get to 8 wins, but 7 is more likely expected and I won’t be shocked if we stumble to 6 or fewer either.
IF the wheels do fall off completely, ala Texas last year, bowl season will not be in the cards.
I'm pretty certain
You weren’t the person he was referring to.
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by HoyaGoon on Oct 3, 2011 10:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Aaaaaand there he is.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Oct 4, 2011 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You rang?
tOSU sucking doesn’t change your status as second best team in your own state. ISU positively scared the poop out of Texas this week didn’t they? tOSU is not very good, and neither is your team. If tOSU has 20 more seasons like this, their record will still surpass your beloved :)
oh hai
i was afraid you had jumped off the ledge.
so hey, is it still Tressel’s fault that your players are taking improper benefits during the summer even after he left, or are you ready to admit that your school is basically the SEC north?
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 4, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
When did these things happen?
Was it this summer? The SEC would never self-report squat. Remember this, tOSU could have VERY easily gotten rid of the e-mails Tressel received. It was self-reported. The violations have also been self-reported. Do you really think the sec is volunteering any info?
Tressel.
The best thing and the worst thing that could have happened to ohio state.
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by Fake Pelini on Oct 3, 2011 4:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hardly the worst thing
I think that just about every program would trade Tressel’s success for a down period afterwards. What are we looking at realistically? Three years, top? Every team would take that trade.
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There's something to be said about that
But on the inside, every ohio state fan is sobbing and tearing their ACLs, just like us Nebraska fans did most of last decade.
by Fake Pelini on Oct 3, 2011 5:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would say that's terrelle pryor, well I guess not for best thing, but definitely the worst.
As a Mich fan, I was so pissed when he said he was going to OSU. Now I think it was the universes way of balancing things, Mich sucked for awhile, now it is OSU’s turn.
Truthfully,
Right now the worst part of all of this is the seniors (the innocent ones) who have to slog through the rest of this mess. As far as the next coach, why not make a run at Paul Chryst? Bielema’s not going anywhere for a while.
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by RedDevilEA on Oct 3, 2011 5:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm guessing the possibility of sanctions is going to scare away some of the top coaching prospects.
I don’t think Chryst would leave for that, unless…
(a) He’s convinced that there won’t be any “severe” punishment for OSU. AND
(b) He’s convinced that more years as OC would hurt, rather than help his coaching stock.
B might be pretty likely, since his stock probably won’t get higher than after this year with this unstoppable offense. But I don’t think A is very likely.
If Chryst does leave, it will probably be for a job where he doesn’t have the prospects of NCAA sanctions coming down immediately after he gets there.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
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Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
only thing is
We’ll most likely know the extent of the sanctions before the end of the year
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by RedDevilEA on Oct 3, 2011 6:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hear Chryst is pretty happy in Madison
It would take A LOT to get him away, and I can’t imagine him leaving for a sanctioned school.
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by John Veldhuis on Oct 3, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
A head coach position like OSU would pique any OC's curiosity
I get the happiness factor, but this is a top notch job. If they really wanted him, he would have to listen. Think Muschamp a la Texas. When top jobs are available, you gotta think about it.
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by KennardHusker on Oct 3, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd turn down Chryst?
Must be nice to think that much of oneself.
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by Boiler Bandsman on Oct 4, 2011 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cute, ain't it?
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
Absolutely
They have already clearly stated that HC experience is a must. It is also important to hire a guy with connections to the program. They learned their lesson with Cooper in regards to outsiders. There is a pretty extensive list of former assistants now serving as head coaches. Regardless of what you may think, tOSU is regarded as one of the top jobs in the country.
Yeah, I would
No way I want Chryst as head coach. I’m not saying he isn’t a good offensive coordinator, nor am I saying he won’t make a fine coach, but right now OSU is not a program where you wear the head coach’s headset for the first time.
The program needs a well respected coach that’s run a big time school or pro team before.
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Fun trivia fact
7 of the other 10 teams have beaten Ohio State more recently than Michigan. Only ones that haven’t: Minnesota, Indiana, and Nebraska.
I still like the fact that their record last year is technically 0-1
And who that “1” is :)
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
//Writes bad poetry on his blog
Grossman: What the fuck is Wilford Brimley’s problem?
Other than that, though
shit’s good in C’bus.
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