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First comes love, then comes?

Late last week, reports surfaced that Ohio State and Urban Meyer had "spoken" about a prospective job opening in Columbus.  In a scoop that may well redefine the pejorative "reports vs. reacts" meme that professional journalists use to set themselves apart from bloggers, Eleven Warriors -- far and away the best Buckeye community on the web -- first broke the story, and ESPN later confirmed that there was "strong" interest on both sides.

On Saturday, from his comfortable perch in the broadcasting booth at Michigan Stadium, Meyer was given an opportunity to douse the bonfire of speculation with cold water, by stating that: 1. He had not spoken to Ohio State, either directly or indirectly, 2. He was not interested in returning to coaching at Ohio State or anywhere else, and 3. If offered a job at Ohio State, he would decline. 

Meyer did nothing of the sorts, stating "I've not been offered any job, and I've certainly not accepted any job."

If this non-denial denial only added more fuel to the flames, this morning's interview with Pat Dooley at The Gainesville Sun, has created an inferno.

Sure, Urban said that he has not interviewed for the Ohio State job, but what does that really mean?  Is fielding a phone call from a head hunter hired by Gene Smith to guage the interest of prospective candidates "interviewing"?  Of course not.  Neither is stating one's interest, or discussing salary terms.  Short of putting on a suit, printing out a resume, sitting down at a table with the Ohio State brass, and answering questions about strengths and weaknesses, Meyer can say in good faith that he has not "interviewed" for the Ohio State job.  And let's face it, coaches like Meyer don't actually interview anyway.  Their record speaks for itself.

But that's small potatoes compared to what Meyer went on to say. 

Star-divide

After acknowledging that the "issues" that caused him to step away from coaching this past year (i.e. health problems and a desire to spend more time with his family) are still in play, he noted that, "I've done some research [and] I've found that it is possible to have balance between your job and your family, that there are coaches out there who are doing it."

In other words, if other coaches can obtain a functional work/life balance while in the spotlight, so can he.  That's one down, but what about Meyer's nagging health?

"I'm in a good place right now mentally and physically" says Meyer.

Oh boy.

Make no mistake.  Meyer used his interview with Pat Dooley to start making a case for his return to coaching.  But that could be anywhere, anytime.  It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to...

"[I[f something happens with Ohio State," says Meyer, "I'll have a decision to make. But there has been no interview. There has been no offer to make a decision about."  (emphasis added.)

That noise you're hearing is me jumping up and down and screaming like a kid on Christmas day from my 25th floor office in downtown Los Angeles.  Meyer didn't just talk about any coaching opportunity, he talked about Ohio State.  There's no need to read between the lines on this one, Meyer and Ohio State are like two teenagers falling fast and hard.  Like Ron Burgundy's excited exclaimation in Anchorman: "Veronica Corningstone and I had sex, and now we are in love!" it's all Urban Meyer can do to avoid telling the whole world the good news.

The kid from Astabula, who pulled himself up by his own bootstraps, and coached himself to a 104-23 record and two National Championships with a buckeye in his pocket, whose first job was at Ohio State, who counts Earl Bruce as his mentor, and Woody Hayes as his hero, is one-week away from coming back home. 

Football is Urban's life.  As he put it himself, "I love football.  It's what I am. I miss it." Ohio State is Urban's dream job.

The only thing that can spoil this match made in heaven?  USC-esque sanctions.  Multiple year bowl bans, and double digit scholarship reductions.  The kind of crippling penalities that could render the love of Urban's life unrecognizible.

It could be the final cruel act in a running ten month nightmare in Columbus.  But maybe, just maybe, things are finally starting to look up.

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dammit Ted

But I love me some Urban, so whatever. It would add some sizzle to the rivalry.

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by Graham Filler on Nov 21, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's great

Gonna breathe life back into OSU

Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.

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by Ted Glover on Nov 21, 2011 4:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Like you wouldn't.

You would kiss his pinky ring after waiting 5 hours to do so.

by biggy84 on Nov 22, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Bet you weren't saying that after the Rose Bowl.

More power to you. I’ll take a guy who has won everywhere he has coached, and has 2 national championships.

by biggy84 on Nov 23, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Enjoy him.

I’d think the phrase “I’ve talked with other coaches and found that it is possible to balance work and family” would be a gigantic red flag, but hey, I could be wrong. Maybe it wasn’t his hypercompetitve need to outwork everybody that led to Meyer’s success.

I just want to watch the world burn.

by Bob Genghiskhan on Nov 23, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I won't be shocked

If he announces he’s coaching there this Sunday. That’s on gut, I have no insight here.

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by Seer on Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

wait, ATO isn't the best OSU site out there?

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Nov 21, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions  

WOOPS

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Nov 21, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

outta here

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by Graham Filler on Nov 21, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Wheatley: Uh, what do you think?

Announcer: Interpreting vague answer as YES.
Wheatley: No no no no! Didn’t pick up on my sarcasm…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

*shudder....*

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by Hilary Lee on Nov 21, 2011 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Now if PSU can lure a big name...

This could really begin the rebirth of the B1G Ten.

Don’t look now, but the SEC is dying a slow death. Sure, Bama and LSU are good. Arkansas is good. But the rest of the conference is in decline. LSU teams not named Bama or LSU went 3-5 in their bowls last year despite being favorites in all eight of those matchups. And as I’ve pointed out multiple times, the SEC East was one decent McMoxie pass away from going 0-5 in bowls last year.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Nov 21, 2011 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

did you see how hideous those four SEC teams were against their respective FCS foes last weekend? Charles Barkley Turrible

Bama had an excuse as GA Southern is actually a decent FCS school, but the other 3 have no excuse against middle of the road FCS schools.

Georgia is only 9-2 becuase they didn’t play LSU, Bama or Arkansas. And they barely squeaked by a hideous Kentucky.

While not likely, it is entirely conceivable they lose all 4 ACC rivalry games this weekend.

by talonk on Nov 21, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

as they say, almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 21, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

They do say that.

They are always right.

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by BentNotBroken on Nov 21, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell yes!

How did ole tscum do against your Hawkeyes this year? That’s right, your team killed them :-)

by biggy84 on Nov 22, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

And thermonuclear war

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Nov 22, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair

an LSU team not named LSU is hard to find.

by Gophermike on Nov 21, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't put it past LSU to try and break the universe by playing itself in the national title.

Wait a second. What is tha- OH SHIT RUN!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 22, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Well damnit, OBSH.

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by MNWildcat on Nov 23, 2011 2:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure. To borrow the idea about schadenfreude from Herr Seer.

What if Meyer took the job and then OSU received some crippling sanctions. Would he stick around?

Or is the wait just to see what the NCAAbanhammer brings?

by MSULaxer27 on Nov 21, 2011 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

Or is the wait just to see what the NCAAbanhammer brings?

This. I’m skeptical of Seer’s prediction that he’ll be announced on Sunday. I’m not going to start seriously watching for an announcement until after the final NCAA ruling is announced.

by GCS on Nov 21, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

This might also be why OSU asked for the NCAA to rule earlier than announced (early Dec I think was the original date).

by talonk on Nov 21, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Crippling sanctions?

You mean LOIC which they have NOT been hit with? I know people are praying that tOSU gets USC type punishment, but the violations are not even close.

by biggy84 on Nov 21, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

There will not be any crippling sanctions

two year post game ban, tops, if that. But the school said they were really, really sorry and promised not to let it happen again.
A couple schollies a year for a few years at worst.
The scholarships don’t really add up to a hill up crap for ANYBODY, it just means you can’t sign a couple scrubs who won’t see the field anyway. Post season bans are bad but it’s very doubtful anyway.

If there is a two year ban, and Meyer really does want the job, expect him to sit out another year, then take the job.

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by Flakbait on Nov 21, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Can they take this year’s bowl? Please?

by rogerja on Nov 22, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry for the threadjack

Wetzel is calling out Delany for his latest plan to unravel the BCS Bowls.

I put up a fanshot.

by NC_Buckeye on Nov 21, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions  

I'M LITERALLY SHAKING ANS SMILING WHILE READING THIS

/creepy

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by Jon Ross on Nov 21, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

You mean a respective figure in sports is denying something

until it’s officially announced? I don’t think we’ve ever seen this before!

Look, I may get a little heat from my fellow Buckeye fans, but the strain that comes with coaching at Ohio State can’t be the same as at Florida.
Are we passioante and expect a winner? Yes, but are we a bunch of Harvey Updyke’s? I think that’s reserved for the psychos of the SEC. Majority of us, at least I know I was, were shocked when these allegations came out on Ohio State, though we may all agree that there’s shadyness at every big time program, we expect to see all the hoodwinking down south. I’m not saying the “win at all costs” attitude doesn’t exist here, but I don’t think to the same degree. That doesn’t mean we’re not passionate, just sensible.
I personally think this job would be less stressful on Meyer, IF that was the main cause of his heart issues/stress.

Interested to know if some of you agree or disagree with that.

by Brutus89 on Nov 21, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

The only reason I would disagree

is that the expectation is already set at MNC or bust, just based on the comments I’ve seen.
Look at Ted saying “Gonna breathe life back into OSU”. It’s been one down year, one year after a benefits scandal that cost the head coach his job, led to player suspensionsm and players leaving early. The South may be more football crazy, but the expectations in Columbus will be no less demanding than they were at Florida.

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by chitownhawkeye on Nov 21, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe you're right

But I think it’s moronic to think any great success was going to come out of this season. The level of recruited talent and retained coaching staff had me thinking we could definitely be competitive to the end regarding a Big10 championship spot, but to have huge expectations would be blind homerism, I had them no better than 8-4 going in. Maybe my being a Redskins fan has me thinking open mindedly, but you can’t win 10 games every season. How many fans were ready to call for Tressel’s head after ‘04!? This year was about youth and replacing key contributors, saying we’re so removed from our winning ways or the program needs life again is just way too overboard. If Tressel did anything, he spoiled us Ohio State fans with success, this “back-to-earth” season was overdue.

by Brutus89 on Nov 21, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I may not have been clear

I didn’t mean to imply that the expectation was MNC this year, only that adding Urban to the already potent talent level of OSU will raise the expectation level from winning the B1G to winning it all going forward.
And for the record, depending on the PSU hire, this isn’t all bad. As a conference, we desperately need some respect, and that’ll only come by bringing home the MNC and some other BCS hardware

"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'If it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." - Lewis Caroll, Alice Through the Looking Glass

by chitownhawkeye on Nov 21, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I know what you meant

But there were those that did not expect a drop off this season. You quoted other comments, whether they’re referring to the scandal itself or just this years record, the hiring of Meyer would be a great hire, but there are those that see it as a “finally.” I don’t like that there are some fans who think this season was just so hard to go through, but if referring to finally getting the focus away from the scandal, then I agree.

And though I agree with your outlook of the Big10 needing a positive happening or two to get the conferences rep back on track, I just want my fellow Buckeyes to keep an open mind about everything. It’s a matter of taking success for granted rather than appreciating it.

by Brutus89 on Nov 21, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

There are other factors as well.

The B1G fans are much more civilized than they are in the sec. The coaches in the sec are also known for being very dirty on the recruiting circuit as well. It seems as though there are a lot more shady boosters there as well.

by biggy84 on Nov 21, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Did some research about work/life balance?

Good for him.

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by BentNotBroken on Nov 21, 2011 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

Bring on Urban Meyer. Just not his redneck brother, Rural. In all seriousness, it will be sad if the entire staff at Ohio is let go. It’s a fine line between loyalty to alumni and winning, that is going to be a tough decision to make. If I was a Buckeye fan, I wouldn’t want Gene Smith making that decision.

by snoopblue on Nov 21, 2011 8:18 PM CST reply actions  

good to see that the mere mention of this has sent some over the edge

im not especially worried about it personally though. alot of that success came from those florida kids, and ohio state has always gotten the ohio kids, so im not especially worried

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 21, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions  

RE: Florida kids

Sure Meyer may have had some FL studs, but it’s not as if the other SEC schools weren’t recruiting the same kids in the same region. Just like in the B1G, if he does come here, his primary recruiting grounds will be Ohio, followed by MI & Penn., which is the same primary recruiting grounds as MSU, U-M, & PSU. And it’s capturing the top OH, MI & PA kids that helped vault SweaterVest to the top of the conference (well, that & non-compliance with NCAA reporting rules, though that is another story).

IMO, he has the name cache, as does tOSU, as well as the coaching record. So while he may not be getting the next Percy Harvin or Tim Tebow, he will continue to get the next Terrelle Pryor and Andy Katzenmoyer, and may also be able to keep in the region the next Mark Inrgam.

by MSUDersh on Nov 22, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

who is andy katzenmoyer?

also, for that matter, Pryor was never the best QB in the league anyway. even in his last year he was probably behind Stanzi, Persa, Cousins, Tolzen (sp), and Robinson in terms of overall skill as a QB. maybe behind the Illi QB too.

i get it, your scared of OSU under meyer. me? i only care if he can beat Iowa, and last time he played an Iowa team it took ref corruption to win. besides that OSU isnt in our half of the BIG and frankly, its not like Iowas record against OSU can get much worse over the next decade and OSUs recruiting probably will just be on par with what they have been getting anyway, so im not especially worried

so yup, not really worried.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 22, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Really? I read that post as meek capitulation.

by rogerja on Nov 22, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

yeah, agreed.

wining % can’t get much better

not in same division.

all makes sense to me.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Nov 22, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Wha???

reading comprehension is hard! But I know who hates Iowa, Minnesota does.

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by BentNotBroken on Nov 22, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Here to voice the dissent

As an alum, I don’t want Urban Meyer at OSU. I don’t want to go back to the Cooper days of having 20 players arrested every year. I don’t want to run a gimmick offense. I don’t want a head coach that makes a complete ass of himself when dealing with the media. Winning at all costs isn’t worth it to me.

by br27 on Nov 22, 2011 12:11 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

He did get his issue diagnosed

Now that they know what it is, he can treat it. I’d quit too if I was suffering job-induced pain so bad I had to go to the ER and didn’t know the specific cause.

by br27 on Nov 22, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

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