Urban Meyer to OSU Apparently a 'Done Deal'
If reports from a guy as reliable as Scout.com's Bill Greene are to be believed (and subsequently confirmed by the plugged in blogger at the ever reliable OSU blog 11 Warriors), Urban Meyer will be announced as the next coach at Ohio State sometime next week. If you don't want to believe non-traditional media, how about WKMG channel 6 TV in Orlando?
And it's already paying dividends, as 5 star defensive end Adolphus Washington verbally committed to the Buckeyes Tuesday afternoon.
BOOM, I think the kids are saying these days.
Yeah, things are looking up in Columbus.
In one of the earlier stories I said something to the affect that Meyer would breathe life into a moribund program, and that was a bit hyperbolic (Me, full of hyperbole and bullshit, nahhh). One year removed from a six game BCS streak and two straight BCS wins does not a moribund program make, but the fans were moribund. We've been kicked in the teeth for a year, from Tatgate, to Tressel turning out to be just as flawed as the rest of us, to the gross buffoonery of Gene Smith and G. Gordon Gee, etc., etc. And that's all before an underwhelming performance on the field, with one of the worst offensive performances in recent memory.
This is a shot in the arm we as fans were hoping for in terms of a big name hire, and he was the one guy we (and I know I don't speak for the entire OSU fanbase, just a good portion of us) felt would help get the fan base fired up while shoring up what is a good, but not great recruiting class. And that's apparently already paying off with the signing of Washington, who said he 'hopes to play for Urban Meyer'.
So do we, kid. So do we.
The one thing we didn't want was a protracted coaching search that went through the bowl season and in to February, watching an OSU Lear jet fly hither and yon, while three or four fairly high profile candidates would ultimately turn the job down.
Ahem.
In all seriousness, Michigan fans, Brady Hoke might have been the fourth choice, depending on what you choose to believe, but he was the right one. I don't mean for this to come off the wrong way, but between the two schools, Michigan could afford a protracted coaching search more than OSU could.
I'll tell you why, after the jump.
Michigan had already had three bad years under Rich Rodriguez, and whoever was going to inherit that hot mess had a ton of work to do in terms of recruiting and catching up to Ohio State and most of the rest of the conference. Granted, Ohio State did a lot of self immolation to come back to the pack faster than anyone thought, but at the time Hoke took the job, he had a long way to go to close the difference between Michigan and OSU.
Thanks to Jim Tressel and his cavalier regard for what we like to call 'the rules', that gap closed pretty quickly. To the point that most people expect Michigan to win The Game this Saturday.
But here's where the story between Meyer's hiring at OSU (if it does, in fact, pan out) separate from Hoke's.
Where Michigan had fallen far behind OSU in terms of talent, OSU hasn't fallen behind Michigan. They're even, but there's little if any catching up that needs to be done. A quick hire of a big name, along with non-crippling NCAA penalties (and past history suggests OSU won't receive said crippling sanctions based on what the NCAA has said is coming their way), and OSU returns to prominence in 2012, back on par with the elite in the country.
But a hiring process that Michigan had to go through last winter would have really hurt the Buckeyes, for several reasons. For one, had one or two Flavor of the Month coaches turned down OSU, like Jim Harbaugh, Les Miles, and/or Les Miles might or might not have done with Michigan last year, it would have forced the University to keep fighting against the bad press of the NCAA investigation, further reinforcing all the negativity surrounding that sordid affair. That could have turned into a vicious catch 22--good coach turns down job because of the scandal, which keeps next good coach from accepting job.
It would have put OSU even farther behind in the current recruiting class. Although I look at grading recruiting classes much in the way I feel about grading the NFL draft 10 minutes after it's completed, there's no denying Hoke is making inroads in recruiting, and has plucked some top Ohio recruits, an area largely ignored by his predecessor. Another two or three month delay, followed by an uninspired hiring of a largely anonymous coach would have further exacerbated that situation. Tatgate opened a door for Hoke in terms of Ohio recruits that might not be closed by anyone, even Meyer. But he's one of the few guys that has a chance to swing that advantage back to the Buckeyes.
Best case, Meyer flips the recruiting advantage back towards Ohio State, and worst case he evens it out as opposed to letting Michigan take a clear advantage--Ohio guy, solid reputation, proven results, and two national championships will go a long way in stabilizing what was becoming a dangerously thin class for OSU, and the signing of Washington tells me that Meyer still has the star power factor he had at Florida.
Are there issues with Meyer? Sure. Will he still be coach in five years? Maybe. His health is always going to be a concern, and after Tim Tebow left, his winning percentage dropped noticeably. His players had constant run-ins with the law, and Cam Newton first played for Florida before his dad got a pay raise for Cam to go to Auburn via Mississippi State.
But as exciting as that is for a beleaguered Buckeye fan base...and it is exciting...I can't help but feel a lot of empathy for Luke Fickell, who was given a crap sandwich from day one, and decided to put two pieces of bacon on it and eat it anyway. It's gotta be a heck of a way to get what he always said was his dream job, and it's got to be just as tough to be told you're no longer going to be doing your dream job, but you're welcome to stay on as an assistant, if other rumors turn out to be true.
Fickell never really had a fair shake at the job, and I think deep down, he probably knew it. Having to deal with the suspension of some of your best players didn't make it any easier, and his choice for quarterback was a Kobayashi Maru scenario from day one. And I'll bet, two or three years from now, he'll probably be the first one to admit he wasn't ready to be a head coach yet, much less one at a program like OSU.
Luke Fickell handled the situation with grace and dignity, never once bitching about the cards he had been dealt. He's a true Buckeye through and through, and I hope someday, if and when he's ready, he gets another shot. I hope he decides to stay on with Meyer, but if he decides that he needs to move on, well sit, I tip my cap to you and wish you and your family good luck in whatever the future holds for you. And I thank you for giving Ohio State your all.
Now, Mr. Fickell, if I may ask one last favor of you:
BEAT MICHIGAN!
Oh, and if Meyer doesn't take the job, OSU's gooned. Just putting that out there.
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But, but, but... you told us we were pretty!
picks up broom, sweeps up shattered bits of heart
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Mirror Lake
was even sweeter tonight knowing Meyer’s on his way.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Nov 22, 2011 11:57 PM CST reply actions
Sweeter?
You drank from that urine filled lake?
not intentionally
but if you don’t accidentally get any in your mouth, you’re not screaming “f*** michigan” close enough to the water.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Nov 23, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Dear Ted...
Kiss my ass you O$U homer! GO BLUE!
MICHIGAN SUCKS!
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Nov 23, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
No need to shout Ted

You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Nov 23, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Sorry, I think I might have made somebody cry

Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Nov 23, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Awwww, come here big fella! How bout a (totally straight?) hug?!?!
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
I can't blame Denard...
I, too, have a man crush on Mike Martin.
by GoWings2008 on Nov 23, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bahahaha
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 23, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I think you have plenty of material for making fun of Michigan
without needing to resort to veiled slurs about homosexuality.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Ted has a man-crush on Hoke!
The first 4 paragraphs were great, only to be lumped in with a team that hasn’t beaten tOSU in 2,922 days. Equal talent? Did that terrible recruiting class that Joke brought in really level the talent? Having 8 home games and a schedule that did not have Wisconsin and Penn St has no part of their record? Joke is the right coach over Harbaugh and Miles? Unless you are patronizing the lads in ann arbor (is a whore), you are giving tsun way too much credit.
You can slam Hoke all you want
but at some point you have to tip your cap. As to whether or not he’s the right guy, results speak for themselves, and OSU fans better quit underestimating him. He’s taken RichRod’s dumpster fire and turned them into a By God defense, and has expanded their offense to more than just Denard Robinson He is a good coach that has a good staff, and he’s got verbal commitments from Ohio kids that this time last year probably wouldn’t have even considered Michigan, and has a consensus top 2 or three class in the country. Scout.com has UM as the #1 recruiting class overall for 2012. As to last years’s recruiting class, it was terrible before he got hired, and there was less than 60 days until national signing day because UM waited so long to hire a guy.
Is he a better hire than Miles or Harbaugh? It’s tough to say yes, but Hoke would have crawled 100 miles over broken glass to be the UM coach, and he’s young enough that he’ll be around for a decade or so. Not sure you could say that for Miles, who’s close to 60, or Harbaugh, who you could argue would’ve used UM as a stepping stone to the NFL.
One of the reasons I’m ecstatic that OSU has apparently nabbed Meyer is because I think MIchigan found their Tressel, and the last thing the Buckeyes needed was to find their own RichRod.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Nov 23, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Despite
your hatred for us, I appreciate you noticing and commenting this way. Reminds me that you’re truly a student of the game, and not JUST another fucking buckeye fan. :-)
Thanks
I want this to be the pre-eminent rivalry game again, and the only way that happens is if both OSU and Michigan are at their best. Don’t get me wrong, curb stomping you guys by 30 points a year is a hoot, but there’s a lot more satisfaction when both teams are good and there’s something on the line, like 2006.
One of the things that really made me dislike and not respect Rich Rodriguez is because he didn’t have the respect for The Game, or the traditions that make Michigan a destination job. He came in and pissed all over them, and it lessened The Game and made the B1G weaker.
As to The Game and The Rivalry, Tressel got it, Fickell gets it but is still probably in over his head, I’d be stunned if Meyer doesn’t get it, and Hoke gets it. I chuckle every time he does his little ‘Ohio’ jab and gets that smirk on his face, because he knows it pisses off Buckeye fans without pissing on this great rivalry, much like Woofy’s ‘That School Up North’ thing.
I’m glad Hoke is working out, because in the coming years it will be even more satisfying to watch that shit eating grin turn to a frown when he gets his ass handed to him and their shot at Indianapolis and a BCS game disappears into a river of Wolverine tears.
It’ll be nice to have guys at both schools that get it. Hopefully for a very long time.
Fuck Michigan. Forever and ever. Amen.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Hoke is their Tressel?
Wow! He hasn’t even finished a year yet! I would think that it is faaaaar too soon to compare him to Tress. One quality win does not make him a legend.
I said 'think'
I remember that Tressel’s first year was pretty underwhelming until he went to Ann Arbor and lived up to his promise from the day he was hired.
I remember a lot of folks being fairly underwhelmed for most of that season.
And I at no time called him a ‘legend’.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Tressel is a legend!
11 games into his coaching career doesn’t make him the next Tressel, just like a rookie baseball player who starts out with a .325 average isn’t the next Babe Ruth. He has a good start that has been facilitated by a weak schedule, and 8 home games. He is a less talented version of Lane Kiffin.
Part of the reason
MI’s class is ranked so highly is just size. MI has 23 verbals. OSU moved up to #15 on Scout with Washington, and OSU has only 15 verbals.
And remember that the scandal played a part in MI improving their Ohio recruiting. When people don’t know what the punishment will be or who will be coaching, they go elsewhere.
Poor reasoning
Hoke’s also gotten a lot of recruits in the state of Michigan way from MSU. He got Erik Magnuson out of California, Ondre Pipkins out of Missouri. Tommy Schutt out of Illinois was interested but Michigan didn’t have space. He’s already wrapped up the best quarterback in the state in 2013 and another very good Ohio DB in Dymonte Thomas.
I really doubt that Hoke will fail to bring in good classes consistently.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 23, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say he can't recruit
I just pointed out the there were some other factors involved in Ohio recruiting this year. Traditionally MI has always gotten a few good players from Ohio, and I would expect Hoke to continue that trend. Only RichRod completely failed at that.
He is a snake oil salesman!
His telling recruits that tOSU is going to get the death penalty will come back to bite him in the ass. He is a dirty recruiter whose act does not fit in with the B1G. His childish antics will fade very quickly. Don’t be so sure about Thomas either.
For someone who went
apoplectic anytime someone even suggested the possibility that OSU might be up shit creek with the NCAA, demanding they back everything up with rock-solid facts, you’re pretty quick to toss around completely unfounded accusations at everyone else.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Nice try hoya
Unfounded facts? It has been reported by the recruits and has been reported on the scouting services. I proved this months ago.
This is one of the things about ESS EEE SEE recruiting rankings
it’s not just the quality of the kids in each class, it’s also the quantity, and when you can just keep printing scholarships it gives you an artificial boost in the rankings.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Stan Drayton + Urban Meyer = 5 Star recruits
Each coach won a national championship in the past six years, and each spent at least one season as an Ohio State assistant coach or graduate assistant in the past 28 years.Four of those five — Carroll, Meyer, Saban and Tressel — were hired by former OSU coach Earle Bruce.
Apparently, he is tired of his family already?
That dog just won't hunt.
by Bush League All Star on Nov 23, 2011 1:37 AM CST reply actions
What about the NCAA’s final ruling over Ohio State’s violations?
Judgement Day is coming (when is it exactly – after the bowls are announced?), and if the NCAA slaps OSU like they did USC (or worse), do you think Meyer has a clause in his contract to say “Thanks, but no thanks.”?
Or perhaps Meyer doesn’t see it as an issue?
Because it's not
Your absolutely crazy if you think tOSU is going to get anything even close to what USC got. But you can hope and pray. I truly hope everyone enjoyed our down year, because it looks like things are going right back to the way they have been for the last decade.
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
Historical precedence, if that's any indication
shows that no team that got a failure to monitor slap from the NCAA ever got a bowl ban. They’ll probalby get some scholarship reductions on top of what they’ve self imposed, but I don’t think they’ll get what USC got, either.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Recruiting
This will help and hurt Michigan recruiting. One thing you’re not realizing is that with the hire of Urban Meyer, athletes that fit pro-style systems now have nowhere to go but Michigan (and I guess Wisconsin, but whatever). I think that makes a switch by 5* Bri’onte Dunn almost certain.
Also, you don’t really know what areas Meyer will target to get guys for his offense. The defensive targets will be the same, and it will be tougher for us to pull guys like Bolden, Strobel, Wilson, Wormley, and Williams out of Ohio next year. But pounder backs like Dunn and big-armed pocket quarterbacks will now be looking north.
pounder backs
I would have loved to see a big hb in Florida’s spread, but it was always the qb who got those 2-3 yard runs…so I’m inclined to agree with you.
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by Graham Filler on Nov 23, 2011 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
That makes sense for sure
but I wouldn’t be so sure that we’re going to see the exact same spread offense that Meyer used at Florida. He is a smart coach that can adapt to his players talents, so I personally think he would have to evaluate what he has at different positions and tweak the offense to match the talent.
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Nov 23, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
^^This
But I will say, I think the on field and recruiting battles between Hoke and Meyer are going to be EPIC!
Man, this is gonna be fun!!!!
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
No question
We could be looking at another 10 year battle
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
THAT
would be SO good for The Rivalry and college football in general.
by GoWings2008 on Nov 23, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, this was pretty arrogant
athletes that fit pro-style systems now have nowhere to go but Michigan (and I guess Wisconsin, but whatever)
Apparently you forgot Iowa and Michigan State, with only a faint memory of Wisconsin.
But then again, you said the same thing about RichRod (all the spread guys will be looking up north), and look how that turned out for you
by SpartyFever on Nov 23, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't say anything about Rich Rod
I agree that guys will look at Michigan State and Iowa. Ferentz and Dantonio are good coaches. But those schools haven’t shown that they can get top 15 recruiting classes over the long haul (or at all, really).
by lonewolf371 on Nov 23, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Getting top 15 recruiting classes
and landing a good pro-style qb are not mutually exclusive.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Nov 23, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah that's true
In fact, a lot of the best pro-style QBs don’t come out highly rated. But that’s a whole different discussion. The point is, Michigan’s recruiting of pro-style players will help with Meyer’s presence, IMO.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 23, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, there could be a correlation there.
but then you see the number one ranked QB currently committed to Indiana and you really wonder what does matter to highly sought after recruits.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Nov 23, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Huge assumption that Meyer will run a spread offense.
Have you ever heard of Alex Smith or Chris Leak? Unlike rich rod, Urban schemes to the players strengths.
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Meyer ran a straight up spread offense with Smith at Utah. He tried to do as much spread as he could with Leak. The 2005 & 2006 Florida teams struggled mightily at times on offense and were led by a outstanding defense.
It’s possible that he won’t run a spread offense at OSU, but using Smith and Leak as evidence of that is hilarious.
Funny!
Did you know that Smith THREW for 32 td’s in a season? Struggled mightily? Do you know how many players are on NFL rosters right now that were in his system? He adjusted to what his players strengths were. You may find this shocking to know, but he has coached at other schools, in other systems. He is a self confessed Earl Bruce protege’. He has also publicly stated that he is not limited to just the spread.
Did you know that Smith THREW for 32 td’s in a season?
Did you know that Tim Tebow threw for 32 td’s in a season?
The rest of your statement is filled with worthless strawmen. I know he can be willing to run a pro style offense, I’m just arguing taht Smith and Leak are absolutely not examples to use for that. You point to them because of the positive vibes associated with them (the 2004 Utah and 2006 Florida teams) while ignoring a perfect example (the 2010 Florida offense) because it’s one of the poorer teams Meyer has had.
Which kind of goes back to the quality of QB
If he gets a good one, or can develop Braxton Miller into a good one OSU’s offense will be fine. If Braxton Miller sucks, they won’t be.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Yes
Alex Smith was a spread quarterback at Utah. And Urban Meyer ran the spread with Chris Leake. He did it by subbing out Leake every time Florida got into the end zone and running the ball more with Percy Harvin than DeShawn Wynn, the leftover pounder back from the Zook era.
To suggest that Meyer ran anything but the spread is ridiculous.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 23, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Teddy
watching an OSU Lear jet fly hither and yon,
Oh, and I KNOW you were using insider information tracking this thing from a computer terminal in Southeastern Illinois. Don’t deny it..
Michigan fans, Brady Hoke might have been the fourth choice,
Ted, I thought you and I had this conversation….Hoke was always the first choice. I have it on very good authority. The only reason people don’t accept this is because of a fan base that screamed at the top of their lungs at who they THINK was the best choice. Brandon may be an ass hole, but he’s a smart ass hole.
Fair point, my friend, but a couple things
One, it didn’t look like it. And the near hysterical rantings from some Michigan fans on other Michigan boards and in their papers over the ZOMG WE’RE MICHIGAN HOW CAN WE NOT GET MILES OR HARBAUGH AND NOW WE HAVE CHOKE AAAAAAAHHHH was one of the highlights of my college football fandom life. Granted, I was eating a shit sandwich 5 months later, but the collective brain aneurism average Michigan fan had was fun to watch.
Two, please see #1. And don’t ever call me Teddy again. Ever.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Mea Culpa
…never knew it bothered you. Many apologies.
And I won’t apologize for the beer drinking, mouth breathing fan base that we all seem to have to deal with from time to time. They only know two things… W’s and L’s. They don’t see the process, they don’t realize long term impact of decisions made now. It was obvious that Harbaugh wasn’t going to stop in Ann Arbor for very long. I knew this. I’m sure many others here knew this. Easy decision. I’m sure DB had this convo with him early in the search. Miles, well…maybe he would have been a good fit, but thanks to Kirk Herbstreit, we’ve been down this path once before. Fool me once…shame on you. Fool me twice….give me a beer.
I hope that I can serve up desert of humble pie to you on Saturday afternoon. :-)
Oh we understand
you were talking about the group that goes through watered down lite beer like a fish with water.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Hoke the first choice?
That is FUNNY!! You honestly think that courting Harbaugh was really a ruse to fool everyone so they could hire a guy with a losing record as coach? Wow!
As someone who was at the tOSU vs UM 1987 game
I’m going to enjoy watching the good guys carry Fickell off the field on their shoulders.
Fuck Michigan
The good guys?
Why would Michigan carry HIM on THEIR shoulders? That makes no sense….
I keeeed, I keeeeed.
I have no horse in this rice
But god damnit, fuck michigan.
by Fake Pelini on Nov 23, 2011 8:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
It would be awesome in my opinion.
I’m just really very bitter about this past week. Oh yeah, I’m also a rams fan.
Why bitter?
And at whom?
Yeah, I live within 20 min of the Edward Jones Dome. I understand your pain.
Everything.
It’s certainly Michigan’s and St. Louis’ fault. I hated everything and everyone until I about lunch on monday.
Serious question
From Fox Sports:
Meyer stepped down as Florida’s head coach in 2010 citing health concerns, but told the Gainesville Sun on Monday that he felt strong enough mentally and physically to make a return to coaching.
How long, if not 7 yrs, would osu fans be happy if he stuck it out for? I know he’ll do good things for the program, get some good recruits, etc…but this feels an awful lot like a gap-filler hire.
five years minimum
since I can be quoted on here as seeing him as gap filler for 3-5 years.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Solid question
I think 5 or 6 years seems to be the norm for big time college programs anymore, with 10 as kind of an outlier. Tressel was kind of an anomaly, as there just seems to be more turnover at the really big programs in this day and age. Saban and Miles will probably be moving on soon, Hoke might make it a decade, but Meyer has been through the meat grinder once at Florida, so with his age and past health concerns I think 5 or 6 years sounds about right.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
I don't see why, other than stress, Saban and Miles would move on that soon
I think we’re seeing 5-6 years on average because one of two things happen: fired because not winning enough or left for more prestigious program. Alabama is clearly prestigious enough that any move would be at best lateral, and Miles demonstrated that Michigan isn’t sufficiently more prestigious than LSU (if at all) to lure him away. Meyer walking away the way he did was a huge anomaly. Look at Carroll (9 years and only left because writing was on the wall about sanctions), Stoops (12 years and still going), Mack Brown (13 years and still going, if he doesn’t get pushed into retirement due to recent losses). When a coach can be successful enough at one of the top-tier programs, he can still stay there indefinitely.
by WildBear Buckeye on Nov 23, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Considering the fact that Miles was ready to take the Michigan job
The comment that “Michigan isn’t sufficiently more prestigious than LSU” is bullshit.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 23, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
The NCAA forces them to follow the same rules as everyone else?
That seems like enough to get them to quit rather than put up with idiot fans that don’t understand why they lose more than 1 game per year on average.
He wasn't diagnosed back then
I think it makes a big difference when the doctors know what is wrong with you.
Good work, Ted.
Then again, all it takes to satisfy me is a Kobayashi Maru reference. At least in this situation it wasn’t possible to cheat by reprogramming the parameters so it was possible to win…
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by texwestern on Nov 23, 2011 8:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'll second that.
I don’t believe in no-win scenarios.
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If it made sense, it wouldn't be the BCS.
by John Veldhuis on Nov 23, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
54 million!?!?
In the immortal words of Dusty Rhodes, “Ohio State, you dun sold ya soul to da devil!!”
by Gophermike on Nov 23, 2011 8:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A few thoughts:
1. OSU should be ashamed of itself, if this is true, in regards to how it has treated Luke Fickell. You have an OSU-lifer, a talented up-and-coming young coach, who steps into a mess controversy entirely not of his making, doing his best to save a season in which their planned starting QB basically got dismissed at the last minute and in which they were without the services of key starters for huge stretches of the year….and you hire his replacement BEFORE The Game? Before seeing how he’d finish out the year? And after you forced him into this position, and told him he’d have a fair shot at the job?
Look, I get that Meyer maybe a great coach (more on that in a minute), but that’s just despicable treatment of one of your own. If OSU was always going to go with Meyer or someone else, than Fickell should have been TOLD that on Day One — “Luke, we love you, we want you hear long term, we are going to make keeping you as defensive coordinator a condition of taking the job for whatever long-term replacement for Tressel we find. But we need you, for this one season, to be interim head coach. It’ll get you some great experience in case you want to go elsewhere, help the program, and we’ll help you save face by telling everyone IN ADVANCE you’re only interim, etc.”
That OSU didn’t do that? Shameful.
2. Urban Meyer has won two national championships, and had an undefeated season at Utah, so I think it’s clear he’s a very good coach.
That being said….he never won a national title without Tebow (yes, when Chris Leak led them to a national title, Tebow was on the team, and in fact scored MANY touchdowns that season in the Wildcat/goalline package), and much of his success at both UF and Utah and Bowling Green was a function of his teams being an early adopter of the spread offense/read option spread (which popular mythology says he learned from Randy Walker and adopted after seeing Northwestern beat Michigan 54-51 in 2000 in the greatest game I’ve ever seen).
Now? Tons of teams run that offense, and for the most part, defenses have caught up and figured how to stop it/neutralize it. It’s not the competitive advantage it was when Meyer was first rolling it out there.
3. Related — don’t forget that Meyer’s going to be facing potential scholarship limits and/or bowl bans when the NCAA finishes. He’s good enough to overcome that, I think, but let’s temper any talk of OSU winning BCS championships regularly under Meyer.
Oh, and if you think OSU players had off-field problems before, just WAIT until Meyer gets there….his Florida teams were infamous for their off-field transgressions. I hope he’d clean that up, but I’d be a bit concerned if I were a Buckeye fan….
That's more than a few
And Urban Meyer relied on Percy Harvin at Florida, not Tebow. Meyer’s Gators with Tebow got blown out by Alabama the year after Harvin left. I don’t even know if they would have beat Oklahoma without Harvin, even though he was injured.
The plus for all the Bucknuts out there is that Meyer has a knack for getting very good players to fit his offense. He pulled in Alex Smith at Utah and got Tebow and Harvin to come to Florida in his second year. I don’t see why he couldn’t get those players to come to Ohio State. I think what would be more worrisome is whether or not that spread offense can work in the cold or stand up to the physicality of the Big Ten over the course of a season. Tebow is a tank but he was borderline injured a lot of his time even at Florida.
1. OSU should be ashamed of itself, if this is true, in regards to how it has treated Luke Fickell.
Wrong. He was clearly in over his head. He had his shot, he failed. He’s lucky he’ll get an assistant position. If he doesn’t like that he can go be the HC at Eastern Michigan or somewhere.
he never won a national title without Tebow (yes, when Chris Leak led them to a national title, Tebow was on the team, and in fact scored MANY touchdowns that season in the Wildcat/goalline package
Thats a HUUGE stretch. Leak was the QB of that team. Tebow running ‘goalline plays’ at that time doesn’t provide enough relevance for him to be a huge consideration for that year.
Related — don’t forget that Meyer’s going to be facing potential scholarship limits and/or bowl bans when the NCAA finishes.
I guarantee he and the school have information as to what is going to occur. He’s not going to just sign a contract there, regardless of money, without knowing full well what he’s facing. Obviously, not too much.
Oh, and if you think OSU players had off-field problems before, just WAIT until Meyer gets there….his Florida teams were infamous for their off-field transgressions. I hope he’d clean that up, but I’d be a bit concerned if I were a Buckeye fan….
I highly doubt that is going to be an issue considering all that has transpired. The people who need be concerned, and deservedly so…are fans of the other big ten teams. Fans of every other big ten school know full well what his signing at OSU means to their chances of winning the big ten in the ensuing years.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 23, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
On your first point...
He was in over his head? OF COURSE HE WAS! He had never been a head coach at ANY LEVEL when his alma mater THRUST him into the job, with little prep-time, in the wake of Tressel’s downfall. NO ONE should have been suprised he struggled, PARTICULARLY when he was missing many/most key guys on the team for 4+ games. Hell, Tressel or Woody himself wouldn’t have won any more games than Fickell this year.
My point was more on how terribly OSU treated him — here was a guy who was an alum, bled scarlett and gray, had recruited well for the Buckeyes, been a good/potentially great (if he continued improving) defensive coach/coordinator, who stepped in to be interim coach FOR THE GOOD OF HIS SCHOOL, and then got bumped up to head coach when Tressel left, and had to deal with the toxic fallout and frankly unreasonable expectations. If my plan was always to hire a more experienced hand (and frankly, even if it WASN’T my intention to do so), I would have covered Fickell’s ass publicly — said he was only interim the whole time, told him he’d be D-coordinator (and/or coach in waiting) under whoever was hired, and tell all this to the public so they knew (and Fickell knew) what the expectations were, and that we appreciated what he was doing for the program for this one year.
Instead, you’re embarrassing the guy you put into this impossible position by hiring a new coach BEFORE THE SEASON’S EVEN OVER, and days before The Game. You’ve probably ostracized Fickell (if not ruined his head coaching chances anywhere down the line), ostracized any current players who liked Fickell and think the administration treated him poorly….and, for what? Hiring Meyer a few extra weeks early? Poor form.
by Chadnudj on Nov 23, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My grandfather...
fought in WWII, went to tOSU, has payed taxes for 70 years to the state, and loves tOSU, so he should be the next HC in Columbus.
How does that even make any sense?
Or respond to my argument?
Facts are facts — OSU treated Fickell poorly in this whole scenario, if they have indeed already hired Meyer.
Sounded good?
The reports are that Fickell actually HELPED recruit Urban to take the job. Reportedly, Fick is also been given a cushy position on Urban’s staff. Many people have speculated for months that Fick was given assurances of his future. He has very strongly told recruits to come to the school regardless of who the coach is. He won’t be thrown out on the street to beg for change.
If that's the case...
….fine. But then why not make it clear from minute one that Fickell was interim?
Just seems bad form, to me, to hire another coach in that case while your current guy is getting ready for The Game.
There's an awful lot of Freudian projection
in your defense of Fickell. Not that you’re wrong about it; but let’s be honest, this has very, very little to do with Fickell.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Honestly?
I wouldn’t. Not at Northwestern.
/Very happy with a younger, healthier Fitz signed until 2020.
//Thinks Fitz is a much better coach for/at Northwestern than Urban Meyer would be for/at Northwestern.
///Thinks Meyer is a great coach, just voicing a few cautionary flags before Columbus starts planning ticker-tape parades
I know it's hard to believe....
…but some of us? We like our coaches, and wouldn’t change for anyone….
As for that half-filled stadium….who is better equipped to fill it and build the program for long term success? A head coach at/past 50 with “health problems” who will have had 4 head coaching jobs in the past 15 years?
Or an alum of the university, arguably one of its two greatest players (it’d be tough to move Fitz ahead of Otto Graham), whose family and wife’s family lives in the area, is only 36, has led the team to 5 straight bowl-eligible seasons (best stretch in team history), bleeds purple, is familiar with the academic restrictions on recruiting (which will NEVER go away), and has the Trustees/President/Athletic Director and alumni ready to do just about anything to help him compete (including raises for assistant coaches, and a soon-to-be-announced facilities plan that will help the team compete with the rest of the conference)?
Look, Meyer’s a great coach….for Florida, or Ohio State.
But there is no better coach in the world for Northwestern than Pat Fitzgerald. I wouldn’t trade him for any other coach, period.
When they do, this year...
…I think I’ll be even happier with Pat Fitzgerald.
Innocent question
but what evidence do we actually have that Luke Fickell is a “up-and-coming” coach? He’s young, yes. But what exactly has he accomplished?
FTFY
but what evidence do we actually have that Luke Fickell Jerry Kill is a "up-and-coming" coach? He’s young old, and looks like the teams mascot, yes. But what exactly has he accomplished?
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
He kept a pig?
Then again he did lose out on a chance for an Axe and thus BACON!
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 23, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
I don't really understand the need for snark
I never even brought up Jerry Kill. But, since you did, at least he was a successful head coach at a lower level. That’s no guarantee that he’ll be a success in the Big Ten (and I have my doubts), but it shows he knows how to run a program at some level.
But, I’ll ask again, what has Luke Fickell actually accomplished to deserve to be called “up-and-coming.”
I’ll assume by your total non-answer, you don’t know either.
Right
I hadn’t considered that Urban Meyer + Michigan would unleash the inner Ohio State douchebag. I really like this year’s humbled Ohio State fans. Oh well.
Mike, you got a reply from Ski
What else did you expect? Ski makes his living on snark.
/Trying to think of something douchey to add.
I don't understand the ire directed to a Minnesota fan
But, uh, I guess I can get behind it?
Sorry
the hate has consumed me Palpatine style. Its flowing thru me and I can’t turn it off. Poor Goldy got in the cross-hairs….you still have a beautiful new stadium if it’s any consolation
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
It's too full of advertisements
naming it after a bank is lame, but understandable, but all of the Dairy Queen stuff is tacky.
The sightlines are fantastic, however. Not a bad seat in the stadium (helps when there are only 50k of them)
Coming into 2011, he was widely regarded
as a pretty smart defensive guy and a top notch recruiter. If rumors around Meyer’s hiring are to be believed, Fickell is going to remain on the defensive staff and will still be one of the main recruiters.
All that said, he was in over his head, as most guys would be, even with previous head coaching experience. But he was, in many ways, the perfect candidate for OSU on an interim basis—a grad, coach, longtime Buckeye who would do his best with what he had to work with under the conditions that he was forced to work under—-missing a bunch of key guys for chiunks of the season, and an inability to hire his own staff because of the lateness of him being named coach.
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that there was some deal in place with Fickell when he took the job that was long the lines of “hey, if you exceed expectations you can get the job, but we’ll take care of you when this is over, and we won’t forget what you’ve done for us.”
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
How much of that defensive reputation is legit?
I’m not an Ohio State fan, so I’m asking in good faith, but it was my understanding that he was a co-DC was mostly an honorific (as is often the case with co-coordinators) and that Heacock was still the guy in charge.
So assuming he has head coaching ambitions (and at his age I’m sure he does), would you think him worthy of a lesser BCS position right away? A job in the MAC? Fickell reminds me of a Tim Brewster or Ed Orgeron with even less experience and less recruiting credentials. He did ok with what he was given at Ohio State, but I don’t see the difference between him and dozens, if not hundreds of assistant coaches, in college football.
It's a good question
I’m not around the team on a daily basis, but from what I’ve read and heard from people who are say that he was/is a very good LB coach, and has the desire and smarts to keep progressing up the ladder. But he also has a huge allegiance to Ohio State—he was born in C’bus, played at OSU, and his whole coaching career has been there, too, and he’s turned down other gigs to stay at Ohio State.
As to whether he should/would be a head coach at say a non-AQ school, I don’t know. Like I said in the original post, I really like how Fickell handled all the off the field stuff, and he’ll always have my respect for that. But as a head coach on the field he wasn’t very good. There were a lot of reasons for that, but there is still enough talent on the roster that if they had been better coached and better prepared, 8 or 9 wins at this point doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Going from a position coach to a head coach without being a coordinator is a tough gig, and doing so in a pressure cooker like Columbus was unfair. I’d think he’d be better off getting time as a defensive coordinator at a big time AQ school, and then move towards a head coach gig, because this season really wasn’t a fair analysis of what he might be capable of doing.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
I say
Fornicate Michigan, violently and without respect.
Paul - just saying what comes to mind, since 1959
by pmeisel on Nov 23, 2011 9:26 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
hmmmm
I’ll buy into the idea that nameing a coach now helps recruiting, especially if it’s a guy who has big recruting connections in SEC country, but to say that the position becomes harder to fill because a couple big name coaches turn it down is just silly.
This is fOSU. One of the top 10 jobs in NCAAF. Meyer could go on ESPN and say “OSU sucks. I wouldn’t take a job at that scandal ridden hell hole if my children’s lives depended on it”. And the line of guys with resumes outside the AD’s office would decrease by exactly zero.
As for Michigan, Harbaugh’s brother had all but said he wanted to go pro and Les Miles not taking the job three years earlier should have been a big hint. Plus, Michigan & LSU are pretty much equal, so why would he change?
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Apparently you haven't read any of Three and Out
Miles was begging to take the Michigan job, but he had enemies within the athletic department administration that kept him from getting the offer. I think there was one point where Miles even called the athletic department and to talk about the job but they wouldn’t listen to him.
No, I don’t know why Lloyd Carr doesn’t like Miles.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 23, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Everybody denies stuff
Killing people, steal from you, steal from me.
/Rolereversal’d
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 23, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
He hasn’t been “offered a job” yet because he hasn’t been formally presented with a contract to sign. He hasn’t accepted that job because he hasn’t signed a contract yet. All of the reports that we have say this will all happen after the Michigan game. Nothing has changed.
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