Michigan 40, OSU 34: Accept That Michigan Is 10-2 And Move On
by Graham Filler on Nov 26, 2011 7:05 PM CST
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PrintFans, and I suspect some OTE readers, will jump on many different kinds of Michigan-hating bandwagons. Four specific ones come to mind:
- "You beat a 6-6 team, why are you celebrating so much?"
- "Here comes Urban Meyer, here comes another OSU win streak."
- "The weak B1G should be thanked for your success, 'cause that's not a 10-2 team."
- "Enjoy getting crushed in the BCS or the Cap One. You're going to have to play quarterbacks who won't overthrow wide open receivers."
College football, and life in general, does move quickly past the present. People move past today's news to tomorrow's news...before today is even done.
So let me treasure this victory, the first of its kind since I was a 20 year old sophomore, the first since I whooped and hollered in the back of antiquated Peabody Hall. Let me cheer this victory because Michigan showed tremendous poise and physicality against a program that's been better than the entire B1G for the last ten years. Let me celebrate all those damn-the-torpedo Denard Robinson runs that kept so many drives alive. Let me celebrate ten wins (!) and defensive toughness. And my God, let me celebrate something most* of you support: Beating Ohio State.
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Thank you.
*Those who subscribe to the "meteor theory" are free to hate at will.
The Game
Really the best OSU-UM game since 2006. Michigan found offense thanks to the legs and arm of Denard Robinson, but the emergence of Fitzgerald Toussaint (121 yards rushing) shouldn't be overlooked. Since ol' Fitzy began Michigan's featured halfback, Denard has looked 200x more comfortable in the Borges pro-form. How about that high passing efficiency too? Didn't...didn't see that coming.
OSU found their offense behind Braxton Miller and a sieve-like Michigan secondary. 236 yards passing...could have been 300 if Miller's arm was accurate. Oh, and don't forget the Will Hagerup fumble that came at the worst time.
OSU Sucks?
6-6 and three losses that were mere inches away from being wins (blocked PAT against Purdue, Miller's fourth down scramble that came up short against PSU, the overthrown bomb to a wide open Posey with 1:40 left against Michigan). Those plays were not made and thus OSU slipped down into mediocrity, barely bowl-eligible. This didn't always feet like a .500 team - sometimes they looked mean and dangerous (see: Wisconsin) and sometimes they gave up yards like no Ohio State defense has for a long time (see: Michigan's 462 yards).
Where Do We Go?
Oddly enough, Michigan's bowl destination is shaping up to be a most interesting post-season question. I don't profess to be OTE's bowl expert, but I assume the possible bowl game destinations are: Sugar, Fiesta, Outback, Capital One. I'll wait for Bama Hawkeye to weigh in.
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Rushing the field?
C’mon… you’re better than that.
by The Michigander on Nov 26, 2011 7:15 PM CST reply actions
Defensive toughness?
Did you not quote OSU’s passing numbers in your article? OSU was the third worst passing team in the country coming in to the game and MI gave up 235 yards. OSU also made 4.4 YPC.
Celebrate ending the streak, but don’t spin the game to be something it wasn’t.
Did he not say that Michigan's pass defense was "sieve-like?"
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You can't say defensive toughness
about that game, even if you also criticize the pass D.
Defensive toughness was said of the whole season, not this game specifically.
And it’s not like our defense wasn’t tough today; we had lapses in pass coverage and QB contain, but it’s not like OSU ran us over all day long. Our defense played with toughness, just didn’t play very well.
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yeah
Defensive toughness carried Michigan against -
Iowa (remember all those 3rd and one stands)
NW (2nd half, no points I think)
Purdue (surprisingly good Purdue, I might add)
And after the Hagerup mistake, the defense held at the goal line, limiting OSU to a FG.
So after the last two years, where defensive toughness and adjustments were less than stellar, this defense is a lot of fun to watch.
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by Graham Filler on Nov 26, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Holding OSU to a field goal is not an achievement
OSU plays for FGs. And no, I don’t remember any of those other examples you named since I didn’t watch any of those games.
If you had made it a relative statement (increased toughness, for example) I wouldn’t have said anything. Sure it was an improvement from that 3-3-5 crap. I don’t buy it as an absolute, especially after that game.
It’s sad that MI’s expectations sank so low so fast that a D that gave up that much to this OSU offense gets strong praise.
Whatever
And no, I don’t remember any of those other examples you named since I didn’t watch any of those games.
…pretty much invalidates anything you have to say w.r.t. Michigan’s defense, except for anything specifically addressing this game. No one is giving Michigan’s defense strong praise.
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by Alex Cook on Nov 26, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
All I ever said about it
was in relation to this game. Praising defensive toughness without a qualifier sounds like strong praise to me.
Defense
They still held Ohio State to a field goal on the botched punt. There was another one of the pass breakdowns on the last drive, but they played well on the other plays. It wasn’t a great performance by the defense but they showed up in a few spots.
But all of us Michigan fans should admit that today was the Denard show and that’s why Michigan won.
And you misinterpreted the original statement then.
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It was open to interpretation
Nowhere did he say that the defensive toughness was a big picture thing not meant to apply to the OSU game or that it wasn’t meant as strong praise. Since it was a post about the OSU game, it is reasonable to assume that any commentary is applicable to it. He did criticize the pass D in this game, but that doesn’t contradict his toughness compliment. I fail to see how allowing 4.4 ypc and an uncharacteristically good passing performance from OSU constitutes a display of defensive toughness, though.
This seems like a very bitter statement...
For a team that celebrates the RichRod years.
Your admin hired Rich Rod
Fickell was dumped into his situation. Your AD hired him after a search and you all proclaimed the savior. See the difference?
this is Bama’s Perfect Game, truly
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by Graham Filler on Nov 26, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well, like Bill Parcells said
you are what your record says you are. Michigan is 10-2, and made plays when they had to, OSU is 6-6 and didn’t make plays when they should’ve.
I will say the fears and/or suspicions that we’ve all had about Michigan’s secondary were finally laid bare against one of the worst passing attacks in the country, and if Mattison doesn’t get that fixed, a good offense will expose it.
For OSU, it’s time to put this crappy dumpster fire of a season behind us, get ready for the Suckfest.com bowl, and await the arrival of Urban Meyer.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
If they hire Urban early
He could use the bowl practices to get a start on installing his system. That would have them way ahead of waiting until spring.
If they hire Urban early
I can see that elevating tOSU’s bowl status. Some bowl higher up on the food chain than Pizza Pizza Bowl will take a flyer on that storyline, and the guaranteed massive tOSU fanbase attendance to see Meyer’s first game.
Pass defense
I’m not sure it was an overall breakdown in pass defense as much as the total victimization of the safeties. I wasn’t watching too closely, but I know one safety, Troy Woolfolk, started the year injured and had trouble getting healthy all year long. That may explain some of the troubles.
Also tOSU doesn’t score as many points if Michigan doesn’t give them a short field. 10 of tOSU’s points came when starting within 40 yards of the end zone, and another 14 came on two bombs. You can’t discount those, but I think such breakdowns will be fixed for the bowl game and next season.
Woolfolk was glued to the bench in the second half.
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And the bombs happened in the first half
Hmm… I’m sure MGoBlog will have some analysis of it.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 26, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
Thomas Gordon has been better than Woolfolk this year, IMO. Not sure why he isn’t starting.
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If the freshman QB hits wide open WR's game over.
Tsun defense didn’t stop Miller, inaccuracy did. Don’t kid yourself.
Despite the complaints
When it comes to “The Game,” winning it is what matters. Records usually don’t matter. It’s only been this decade when one team dominated for so long.
As far as Michigan not savoring this win because OSU ended up 6-6, get real. I don’t recall any qualifications put on OSU’s win when Michigan went 3-9 or 5-7 the first two years of RR’s 3 year debacle. Then 7-5 in his last sorry year. No asterisk for those wins. It seems to me that OTE readers have in the past dismissed the notion that because one team is down in a rivalry, that it diminishes the victory. I guess it depends on what team is up and what team is down?
A new winning streak with Urban? Maybe, but he’s been beaten by Michigan in the past. Even with the Heisman winner. But I’m sure the haters will qualify this with some nonsense.
A win is a win is a win.
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by PreachinTotheChoir on Nov 26, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
The 'we've beaten Urban before' meme
is already old. You beat a mediocre Florida team, coached by Meyer, 4 years ago with players that are no longer with Michigan, coached by a man that is in retirement.
Pretty please, hang your hat on that. I know I would if I was a Michigan fan after I saw that defense get shredded by a freshman and Meyer coming in to groom him.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
I don't get the "BRAXTON FOR ALL OF THE HEISMANS" attitude.
He — and the rest of OSU’s offense — will be in a new, complicated, completely different system. I’m guessing that it will be hard to pick up at first, and I’m guessing that there will be growing pains in year one. I think the bigger point about the “we beat Urban already” statements from Michigan fans is that Michigan isn’t, and shouldn’t, be afraid of Urban Meyer. We weren’t supposed to have a chance against UF, and we won. He’s a phenomenal coach, but he’s not unbeatable.
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by Alex Cook on Nov 26, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Braxton
Unfortunately, he should flourish in Meyer’s offense. And they have everyone back on defense. So they should have a good squad next year. That will help a lot when Michigan beats them again.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 26, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
He should, and he will.
I don’t know how great he’ll be in year one though. Maybe he’ll be a fish in water, maybe not. I don’t know how complex Florida’s offense was when Meyer was there, and I don’t know how much he’ll change it. Miller is a great fit for that UF offense though.
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That's probably as irrational for you
as the ’we’ve beat Urban’ meme is for me. You gave me a rational explanation for that one, so let me try on the ‘Miller for Heisman’.
I’m not going to come right out and say that Miller is going to win the Heisman, but against Michigan, we saw just a glimpse of his ridiculous, natural talent. A talent that was continually ignored and not exploited or developed by Jim Bollman. If this year showed most Buckeye fans anything, it was that Jim Tressel masked a lot of mediocrity for the rest of his offensive staff. Yes, Tressel was conservative, but he knew when to open it up and he did a good job at player development. You can mock Terrelle Pryor’s throwing motion, but you can’t deny the consistent improvement he had every year, even during his freshman year. Bollman never did, and at times seemed to purposely ignore some of Miller’s talents, or at a minimum, didn’t properly develop them.
With Meyer, I think it’s safe to say that he’ll be able to maximize the talent Miller has, under a system that isn’t radically different that what Tressel used. Or at a minimum, we think Meyer will be able to get the most out of MIller, whereas we would never get that feeling with Bollman at this point.
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Excellent points
I think Braxton will be more than fine when we come to Columbus next year. He’s extremely talented, and I think that he has the potential to be the best OSU quarterback I’ve ever seen (and yes, I saw Troy Smith in person in 2005. That game was horrible.) I think that you’ll get the most out of Miller’s talents eventually, but a.) we don’t know where his ceiling is — even if we agree that it’s very high — b.) we don’t know how long it will take him to get there, and c.) we don’t know if the rest of the offense will take to Urban’s offense as well as Braxton can. Being a one-man show is hard, just ask 2010 Denard. I’m just seeing pretty absurd expectations for Miller, as he’s basically going to be a first-year starter again in a brand new system.
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Yes, because Hoke is the only coach that could win in the first year.
/omniscience only in ann arbor
Yeah I didn't say that.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
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Yes you did.
I don’t know how great he’ll be in year one though. Maybe he’ll be a fish in water, maybe not.
by the_white_tiger on Nov 26, 2011 9:45 PM PST
From YOUR mouth
I don’t get the “BRAXTON FOR ALL OF THE HEISMANS” attitude. He — and the rest of OSU’s offense — will be in a new, complicated, completely different system. I’m guessing that it will be hard to pick up at first, and I’m guessing that there will be growing pains in year one. I think the bigger point about the "we beat Urban already" statements from Michigan fans is that Michigan isn’t, and shouldn’t, be afraid of Urban Meyer. We weren’t supposed to have a chance against UF, and we won. He’s a phenomenal coach, but he’s not unbeatable.
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by the_white_tiger on Nov 26, 2011 9:39 PM PST
How was Florida mediocre when...
the year before, they won the National Championship, and the year after, they won the National Championship.
Their defense was extremely young that year.
And they finished 8-5 I think.
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Teams have bad years,
But to call a team, were most of the people on it have TWO National Championship rings mediocre just seems wrong.
Finishing 8-5
is literally the DEFINITION of mediocre.
by The Birchman on Nov 26, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure
every starter from 2008, was a sophomore in 2006. Braxton Miller will be a sophmore, in this glorious first year if Urban does go to Ohio.
... Okay?
If they finish 8-5, they will be as mediocre as that Florida team.
by The Birchman on Nov 26, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
I'll accept that.
I just don’t see Urban Meyer as Jesus with a clipboard.
We saw RichRod as just that
and that was just lovely.
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Exactly.
That’s kinda the point, right?
I don’t buy that everything’s going to turn around just because football teams that Urban Meyer coached at a different school were really good. Just because he’s the coach doesn’t make his teams unbeatable. That Florida team that Michigan was average at best.
by The Birchman on Nov 26, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
And look at the team he fielded last year and the team he would have had this year… not good.
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It was just one game
It doesn’t really mean much. We don’t know how the rivalry will turn out with Meyer and Hoke until we start seeing the two coach against each other.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 26, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Mediocre year, yes.
mediocre team, negative.
Talented, but inexperienced.
So… mediocre? They weren’t that good that year. Very overrated.
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This is kinda what I'm saying.
If tOSU wins it all next year, no one will be celebrating their victories over THIS year’s team… Right?
by The Birchman on Nov 26, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
My last post before this becomes a SEC topic...
They lost to Auburn who finished #14, #1 LSU, #20 Georgia, and Michigan. Why are they mediocre again???
I guess it's a mediocre record and they were mediocre by UF standards.
The point is that we didn’t beat the full-strength Urban Meyer teams. It was still a good team.
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I can see that
since the SEC can’t remember past the BCS years.
Oh, and Cam Newton was on that team
The best question is “how the hell did they lose four games?”
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Absolutely horrific defensive play.
Florida lost on a last-second FG by Wes Byrum and Auburn, 28-24 in a loss to #1-ranked LSU and 42-30 to UGA in Jacksonville. They then allowed 51 points to Michigan.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, goes back to the young defense again.
We only hung 45 on them though. Hart lost two fumbles inside Florida’s five though, so there’s that. Their defense was almost all freshman/sophomore first-year starters.
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Auburn was a fluke...
Georgia had Moreno, and Tebow was hurt, and LSU, I think that was the year the entire state of Louisana called Tebow’s cellphone.
But I think this proves my point.
Florida was not mediocre. Truth is Urban Meyer pulled a Martha Stewart, and got out, just in time.
NOTRE DAME IS BACK!
They are only down by fourteen to the sixth-best team in the country—give the Irish a BCS bowl, and a shot at the national title next year!
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by Midnight Rambler on Nov 26, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions
now it's 21
So what, those gold helmets are cool. I think they should go to the Sugar Bowl over Michigan.
Enough.
The Michigan fanbase – and the Ohio State fanbase, for that matter – need to collectively get over themselves. The Big 2, Little 8 days are decades in the rearview mirror. “The Game” didn’t matter to the conference at all. As much as UM is trying to imbue this game with significance, the outcome doesn’t change anything at all. The real game is next weekend, and neither of these teams are going to be there.
Michigan had a powderpuff schedule that featured 8 home games, no Wisconsin or Penn State, and exactly one difficult road trip (where they got curbstomped). They barely beat a 6-6 team, at home, and required some truly awe-inspiring overthrows of wide open receivers to do it. This is not a “Michigan is back, deal with it” type of scenario; this was a yakety saxxing pair of defensive performances that Bo and Woody would surely have been ashamed to call “The Game”.
Michigan does not have a good defense. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t. Citing “defensive toughness” and pointing to games against the likes of Western Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio State as evidence really doesn’t hold much water. As someone who has been watching them all year, I can say with confidence that UM is a paper tiger that has gotten some lucky bounces and a very favorable schedule to back into 10 wins. If it happens next year, against a real schedule, then you can start the “Michigan is back!” crap. Until then, temper your enthusiasm.
by Ozymandias on Nov 26, 2011 11:09 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Schedule
I suppose you would be shocked to find that Sagarin rated Michigan’s, Michigan State’s, and Wisconsin’s schedule difficulty as #38, #58, and #79, respectively, going into this weekend. I doubt this weekend would have caused any significant movement there.
So yeah, if you wanna talk about schedule, Michigan’s 10-2 is better than Sparty’s or Bucky’s.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 26, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shh.
The only thing we missed was Wisconsin. I think we could have handled Penn State.
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I agree with most of what was said.
The strength of schedule thing is a bit of a stretch — it wasn’t like MSU or Wisconsin played anybody either. Michigan just happened to play teams that were, on average, slightly better than the teams MSU/Wisky played during the OOC. All things considered, they were the same schedules.
I think the issue is that the BCS is irreparably flawed if a team with the same record as MSU (and got handled by them during their head-to-head meeting) gets into a BCS Bowl ahead of said team they lost to. Michigan’s getting rewarded for being slightly worse over the course of the season. It’s not Michigan’s fault. It’s just the system sucks — but I suppose we all knew that already.
by The Birchman on Nov 27, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
You think that sucks
What if LSU loses to Georgia in the SEC title game and Alabama goes to the national title game over them? There are worse levels of being screwed over.
by lonewolf371 on Nov 27, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
You're completely right.
I’m just arguing that LSU would have EVERY right to be up in arms over that. Alabama would be rewarded for not being good enough to win their conference and that seems horribly backwards.
Like I said, this isn’t Michigan’s fault. If they get in to a BCS Bowl, they should be incredibly proud. It’s just, in this instance, it highlights a lot of what’s wrong with using the BCS system as it is now.
by The Birchman on Nov 27, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Because Michigan didn’t have to play Michigan.
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by jhitts08 on Nov 27, 2011 1:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You curbstomped us?
That 28-14 game was a real beatdown…
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21-14
with 4 minutes left, but the last 4 minutes was ugly. Maybe thats what he’s saying.
I'm not so sure.
A lot of MSU fans seem to think that they totally whipped our asses. It looked ugly, but it was a close game. Whatever.
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I don't think MSU destroyed UM by any stretch.
But I think they took care of them pretty handily.
MSU lead practically the whole game and outside of about a two minute scare after an untimely fumble, the game never really seemed in doubt.
::shrug:: That’s just me though — maybe the feelings were different among others.
by The Birchman on Nov 27, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree
MSU was the better team and won by a reasonable score for how the game felt, but that 2 TD margin isn’t a “curbstomping.” 49-3 is a curbstomping.
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Yeah. I think we're essentially arguing the same thing.
What Michigan did to Nebraska was more along the lines of a “curbstomping.”
by The Birchman on Nov 27, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Or what Nebraska did to MSU, really
I think 24-3 counts as a curbstomp. I’m glad I missed that game because it would’ve pissed me off.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Nov 27, 2011 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
+1 for the "meteor theory"
I pray for that every night before I go to bed. If there is a higher power, this WILL happen someday.
And I’m OK with our new trend — seven Buckeye victories for one Michigan loss.
Doesn't it have to happen three times
before its a trend?
Cooper: 2-10-1
Tressel: 9-1
Fickell: 0-1
So, 11-12-1.
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All I want for Christmas. . .
Is a blog where criticism of other teams is based only on hatred for that program rather than facts and statistics and no one has to have any intelligence in their arguments and double standards are constantly used in accepting or trashing an argument—oh wait, it’s already here!! OTE!! Thanks Santa!
My favorite thing is every time it is argued that Michigan beat someone or did something positive, it is argued here that they played a mediocre team that year or they were just lucky. I’ll be the first to argue that Michigan is not “back”. But we’re coming back. Is there any of you haters out there that will argue that Michigan hasn’t made some great strides this year? The D isn’t “fixed” by any stretch, but there have been some big changes. They are playing with mostly players from RR’s 108th rank D from last year. About a 100 place improvement. Sounds like the same old Michigan propoganda to me. The O is still getting used to it’s own changes. And recruiting is going quite well. Did anyone of you see 10-2 before the season? If Michigan had won one or both of those games they lost, you still wouldn’t be satisfied that they maybe they were on the right road?
I look at it like this, most of us Michigan fans are thrilled with the changes in AA. You haters are not. Most college football analysts are quite impressed with Michigan’s season. You haters seem to be the only ones that think it’s meaningless or pointless. But any negatives you throw at this is more sour grapes than rational thought. Keep the trash flowing, boys. It reveals more about you than it does about Michigan!
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by PreachinTotheChoir on Nov 27, 2011 4:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think it's pretty much a given that pretty much everyone hates Michigan, a lot.
Some people can transcend that hate to be objective. Some can’t.
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well
It’s called a rivalry game for a reason. Akron State was going to give UM everything they had. They were missing some of their best players for basically half the season and Posey just for the last two games. Urban Meyer is the next John Cooper. He will have a good record but beat UM maybe a few times. Good luck in the goat trauma awareness bowl.
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