Ohio State Hires Former Bowling Green Head Coach
He may have done some things after that as well...
Per his agent, Urban Meyer has accepted the position as head coach of The Ohio State University. He comes to Ohio State after having last coached at Florida.
Here's my question: considering his inability to stay in any job for more than five years, how long do we think Meyer will be at tOSU? I'll set the over-under at six, and I'm playing the under.
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I'll take the under
I think 5 sounds about right. But how many coaches out there really stay more than that? If you look at all the schools out there, there are really only about a dozen or so who have been at an upper level school for much longer than five years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did stay 8-10 but I’ll take five years with Urban Meyer. Who else is there, really?
"Nothing cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Agreed
also, you have to look at some of the coaching turnover to an inability to reach the batshit crazy expectations at some of those schools.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 28, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
Because the OSU fanbase is known
for its reasoned and rational expectations?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Oh but of course
then again, we may become one of those schools that grinds through a coach every three years or so.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 28, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
As usual, Bama Hawkeye takes a wonderful development
for another Big Ten team, in this case the Buckeyes, and finds a way to be a petulant snarky bitch about it.
Keep up the good work BamaSquawkeye!
Urban Meyer will win a National Title within 3 years. After that I doubt it will matter very much if he stays at OSU or not.
The Big Ten is going to be very interesting
It seems like there are a lot of teams trending upwards. OSU (even with some scholarship losses) should be back to at least an upper level Big Ten team quickly. Hoke looks like he’s turned around Michigan. Wisconsin has turned into a Big Ten power. MSU tied for the Big Ten title last year and is playing in the championship game this year. Nebraska should be in the running for a division title most years. If PSU can get the right coach and university leadership they could be right back in the mix too.
Real test of Hoke will come next year
Their O-line is very thin next year and they start the season playing Alabama. They also have several hard road trips in the Big Ten.
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I do think Michigan will regress record wise next year
They do have big question marks on both the offensive and defensive lines and play a tougher schedule in 2012. However, I’m pretty convinced Hoke and the coordinators know what they are doing and if they keep recruiting well they’ll consistently put good teams together once Hokes recruits are upper classmen.
I have a hard time buying into Sparty sustaining with a resurgent tSUN...
…and NW might get crowded out by the numbers, not a drop in performance…
…but I gotta agree with the rest.
Don’t count out the Illini’s chances. The Illini has the ingredients to step up (large state population, large campus, large alumni base, etc.) Even Minnesota showed moments of promise this year.
That’s been true of the Illini since the year dot, though, and they just haven’t been able to put anything together long term for decades.
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by HawkeyedFrog on Nov 29, 2011 1:06 AM CST up reply actions
VICTORY!
/Johnny Drama
Congrats on the win scUM (really, hell of a game) but don’t get used to it
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
Well
We all know what happened to the last former Gator coach to run a Big Ten program.
by BoilerUp! on Nov 28, 2011 8:30 AM CST reply actions 13 recs
Oh Purduuue… Cmon honey run along now. Go downstairs with Indiana and Susan and have some chicken fingers, the big boys are talking.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Will you be coming with us?
Since you’re 0-2 against us in the last two matchups?
by chops1221 on Nov 28, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
1-2 in the last 3 matchups
You must have accidentally wiped a 49-0 shelling from last year.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And that's a rec!
One more and you can trade them in for free tattoos
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 28, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
FUCK. YOU.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Nov 28, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but I've got the game on DVR and..
.. it’s still 49-zip. Ask the boilers who played in it what they thought.
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by KenK on Nov 28, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I've got the Longest Yard on my DVR
the result in that game is as real as the one you’re referring to.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You're an Iowa fan...
… so I’m guessing the Adam Sandler version.
by Albino Tornado on Nov 29, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You win the internet today, my friend.
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but I did. Well played, Mauer.
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Good point
I’m hoping Urban doesn’t go all Zooker on us.
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Over
He has had a clause in every contract allowing him to leave without penalty for Ohio State. This is his dream job. I’ll say 8-10 years.
Just remember
Dream jobs are always somewhere other than where you are. That’s why they’re a dream.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Nov 28, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
no
Dream jobs are desired, enjoyable and satisfying. That’s regardless of whether you are in the job or not. Short of Urban specifying in his contract that he can leave for another job without penalty, I don’t think it can be debated that this is where he has always wanted to coach. Knowing that Ohio State has always been where he has wanted to coach, leaving places like Boise State and Utah after a short period of time should not be used as an indicator for how long his career will be at Ohio state. Ferentz coached at Maine for only 3 years, does that mean he is a short term risk…
Health concerns are something that would most likely end his run at Ohio State before 6 years. That is a concern.
Contract clause
Has anyone ever seen this clause in Urban’s previous contracts? Can you link a source that says such a clause existed? Maybe it did exist, but we hear the “dream job clause” business all the time and it is usually just some overzealous fan trying to convince himself that the head coaching job at his school represents something other than a (very large) paycheck to its occupier. I suspect this is the case here, but I am always open to being educated.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Nov 28, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not going to go delving into the intratubes
but it’s always been quoted as three schools, Ohio State, TSUN, and TSISB, and it’s been talked about since he had Tebow at QB.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 28, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Got it. Sooooo . . .
the answer to my questions is “No.” That’s what I presumed. Thanks.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
oh ffs
if you want to go through the damn thing then read it here.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
You realize
that no such clause is actually in the contract you linked to, right?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Maybe they're just interpreting this portion of the contract to fit their story
C. Coach agrees that he shall not under any circumstances discuss or negotiate directly or indirectly his prospective employment with any other institution of higher learning or professional athletic team except between the final day of the regular football season and January 2 of each year in which this Agreement is in effect. Coach agrees to provide Athletic Director with written notice prior to engaging in such contract discussion or negotiation. In the final year, as specified in sub-paragraph 4A herein, he is granted permission to discuss such employment with any person or entity at any time after the final day of the regular football season. It is particularly understood that on-going rumors or media reports of such negotiations are damaging to team morale and recruiting, and therefore the parties expressly agree that time is of the essence as to the provisions of this sub-paragraph, and that same shall be strictly construed.
Now I’m no lawyer, but if I overlooked the clause that said he could talk to OSU whenever he wanted to, then feel free to call me an idiot.
by The Mexican't on Nov 28, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
i'll take the under
i don’t believe he found any sort of work-life balance solution, his health problems didn’t go away, and i can’t imagine the expectations of the head coach of OSU right now are too much different from what they were at florida. he stays 4-5 years max.
Show them Ohio's here.
Urban Meyer has proven that he is a great coach
but I don’t expect his tenure at OSU will be successful. Only one coach has ever followed a legend like Tressel and thrived (Osborne at Nebraska). OSU fans will expect too much, too fast, especially with the threat of sanctions still possible.
I don’t expect his tenure at OSU will be successful.
Thats really not part of the discussion. Thats already an established fact…a given. The main discussion is how long he will be there.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Although
I disagree with the statement as well (I do think he will be successful), NOTHING is a given. He still must recruit, prepare, and coach. There’s no telling how long, or if, there will be pain in the transition.
I do know this…the recruiting battle will be epic. And The Game will get back to national relevance with Meyer there.
by GoWings2008 on Nov 28, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yea, Ohio State was the reason the game lost it's national relevance.
I keed, I keed.
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Enjoy probation, Urbz.
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lol you honestly think he isnt aware of whats coming down the pipe for OSU from the NCAA? If you were hoping for something fairly serious…don’t. Urb is not the type of guy to go into s a situation like this without full knowledge. We’ll see. But Im guessing they’ll be alot of crying about the ‘slap on the wrist’ coming.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 28, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
Three words
No Bowl ban. And it’s not LOIC, it’s Failure to Monitor. Not great, but not as bad as LOIC. Historical precedent for schools given a FTM is to not receive a bowl ban, and with Tressel out and the wins vacated, it might be enough. I do think the NCAA might reduce some more scholarships, but a bowl ban would be surprising, based on everything I’ve seen and read so far.
Now, could the NCAA go all USC on the Buckeyes? Sure, but I have a feeling that OSU and Meyer have a pretty good idea what the final punishment will be, and if it was a smack down, he wouldn’t be coming to Columbus.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
The last letter from the NCAA included the LOIC allegation.
Obviously there is still an investigation and possible penalty phase to go through, but I doubt the NCAA tosses that term around lightly.
It’s OK though, maybe OSU and USC can play each other in the IneligiBowl for a couple years.
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No it didn't!!!
It is always a good thing to know what you are talking about before you actually say it. Btw, isn’t your HC a Tressel protege’? Do you not have a Tressel on staff right now?
Who are you- Joseph McCarthy?
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party an employee of Jim Tressel?
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What impact will this have on 2012 recruiting?
Will we see a rush of highly-rated uncommited recruits choose tOSU?
Will any high-profile recruits de-commit to accept an offer from Urban Meyer’s tOSU team, like MSU recruit Se’Von Pittman, who is from Ohio?
If Pittman stays at MSU he may earn earlier playing time than at tOSU.
Well, a 5 star DE committed the day Meyer was linked to the job
saying “I hope to play for Urban Meyer”. And a WR that had committed to Miami (ESPN says 4 stars, Scout says 2 stars) de-committed from Da U and committed to OSU yesterday.
And that was before he officially…wink wink…accepted the job.
I’d say he’s already had an impact.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
We'll still take Kalis and Dunn though :)
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by Alex Cook on Nov 28, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
DId Dunn officially flip?
I had read he was wavering, but hadn’t de-committed. As to Kalis, nice get. And I hate it when the zealot wing of (insert fanbase here) just trash on an 18 year old kid when he changes his mind.
I hope Kalis reconsiders his decision, but if he does go to Michigan, I hope he has a good career there, with the exception of four games.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Dunn hasn't officially flipped yet
But he’s been in Ann Arbor with Dymontae (who I’d very much like to keep from Urban, thank you very much) each of the past two weeks, has confirmed that he’s taking an official here before he commits, and plans to enroll early. Couple that with the hearsay that he really does not want to be a part of a spread offense, and I feel like we have a 90% shot of flipping him at least.
As for Kalis, I don’t think he’ll reconsider his decision after the way that the OSU zealot wing totally and completely ripped on him, criticized his family, and wished injury upon him after he switched. No one would want to be a part of that fanbase after experiencing the traitor treatment.
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Yeah, a particularly embarrassing episode
My God, it’s a kid picking a school.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
Yeah, unfortunately that portion overshadows the good OSU fans out there.
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Zealot wing?
When a recruit de-commits, goes to their hated rival, trashes tOSU on national tv, then tries to get recruits to switch with him, and you don’t get why people were upset? Let’s cut the bullshit about him being a kid when you have no problem trashing a player once he plays there. These aren’t naive bumpkins we are talking about.
by biggy84 on Nov 28, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm shocked that you are the one to defend the idiot wing of the Ohio State fanbase
And since when have I contacted and attacked the character of an Ohio State player, insulted his family, and wished injury upon him? Kalis sees the Ohio State fanbase for what it is, a bunch of classless idiots with no sense of common decency. There are Ohio State fans who aren’t like that at all, but they’re overwhelmed by those who are.
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You are omniscient?
Who knows what you say in the real world. You have the ability to read Kalis’s mind? Classless idiots would be a fan base that has a FB program on probation, and had the worst scandal in BB history under their belt lecturing on morality.
by biggy84 on Nov 28, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lecturing on morality and harrassing 17-18 year old kids is a very different thing.
Either you’re a gigantic moron, or you realize there’s a difference between the two. There’s a reason why Kalis is sticking with us.
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Sure there is
It’s because your hero told him that tOSU was going to get hammered by the ncaa per Kalis’s father. I’m sure you know more than him though. I would also be willing to bet that you scream at the tv when one of those 18 yr olds blows a play too. You can keep the name calling out of this Mr. Classy. Come to Ohio (where you get your coaches and good players) and learn some manners.
by biggy84 on Nov 28, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Baylor scandal was worse, seeing as it involved murder.
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I think you were wrong about Zook.
The length of time, players involved, high profile, and forfeited victories has no equal. There is a difference between violations and crimes.
Sorry, but when a coach encourages his players to lie about the circumstances of another player's death and tuition payments
it kind of takes the number one spot for me. Granted, I don’t have a biased hatred of Michigan.
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You need to work on that biased hatred thing.
by biggy84 on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rankings of Evil -- biased hatred edition
6. Academic fraud or cheating
5. Minor graft like tattoos or selling gold pants.
4 Anything USC does, no matter how minor
3. Theft, armed robbery, other Fulmer Cup issues
2. Child molestation, no matter whether the offender is retired or not.
1 Anything Michigan does, like spitting on the sidewalk, farting, or offending anyone in any way.
Do I have my biases right?
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It should only help recruiting
unless the NCAA sanctions are worse than predicted. The thing I disagree with is Pittman earning earlier playtime at MSU. Marcus Rush (Freshman) and Will Gholston (Sophomore) are our starting DE’s on a top 5 defense and both should at least make honorable mention all Big Ten. Plus, Tyle Hoover, who was a projected starter at DE, will be back with junior eligibility after missing this season due to injury.
That’s what worries me since there have been some rumblings that Pittman is re-considering OSU. With Meyer on board and the young guys we already have at DE it may make it more likely Pittman will consider switching to OSU.
If the reports are true...
…and Luke Fickell stays with OSU, too, I like this move even more. The whole thing felt dirty, hiring Urban before Fickell was out the door….but making Fickell some type of coach-in-waiting/defensive coordinator/co-head coach (mainly to reduce Urban’s workload) would make sense both from the perspective of making OSU as strong as possible, and also treating Fickell the right way for taking over in a seemingly impossible situation (new QBs, no key guys for multiple weeks, no prior head coaching experience, rough schedule).
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Nov 28, 2011 11:31 AM CST reply actions
This
reminds me of the sign in the window of my favorite Chinese restaraunt…
We delivery
by GoWings2008 on Nov 28, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Not sure why you'd want a new coach
Luke Fickell inherited an 0-1 program and turned it around into a 6-6 program solidly in the middle of the conference. That’s a pretty big leap forward for Ohio State.
by TDozer on Nov 28, 2011 12:48 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Sounded like Bo Pelini was interviewed for the job.
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Really?
How will that play out with Husker fans?
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I don't think it's unexpected.
Ohio State’s opening’s been a concern since… April?
by Albino Tornado on Nov 28, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Many fans I know
felt if Bo left for Ohio State, who could blame him. It’s his alma mater and a school with more money to burn on sports.
Agree with everyone else
There is a camp who wants him gone and will cry that this is him being unfaithful, unloyal, or whatever else. They are the same bunch that want him gone and point out that Nebraska hasn’t won a National Championship yet. That camp sucks.
The other camp is the rational people who think he has a good future, and just knowing he was considered is probably a compliment. This camp wouldn’t be angry at a guy at least considering a higher paying job with a little more profile and resources (not to mention better recruiting ground). This camp is okay with Meyer to OSU and won’t be too angry when TO gives the obligatory bump in pay…
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by KennardHusker on Nov 28, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
I like your headline
Calling Urban Meyer the “former Bowling Green coach” is like referring to Paul McCartney as “the guy from Wings”
Gator Bowl is pushing for OSU/Florida.
I WONDER WHY…
Who coaches the bowl game - Urbz or Fickell?
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by Spartan D on Nov 28, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Oh, no. OSU just spent a fuckload of money on a burnout-prone coach openly saying he's going to slack off compared to his last job.
Somehow, I am not completely scared.
I just want to watch the world burn.
by Bob Genghiskhan on Nov 28, 2011 4:10 PM CST reply actions
Chris Fowler said that coaching is a "calling" and/or an addictive drug
Maybe Urban just can’t say no, at least not anymore. Which if true, sucks.
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…are you sure you want to downplay Urban?
Completely sure.
Nice job, OSU, winning your biggest home game of the year. Really. You did an excellent job capitalizing on Paul Chryst’s absolute unwillingness to modify a game plan until midway through the fourth quarter, and when you needed to, your QB hit a de facto hail mary. But I’m not certain that 65% of Urban Meyer is an upgrade over 100% of Luke Fickell.
I just want to watch the world burn.
by Bob Genghiskhan on Nov 29, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I will take the under, but only because I believe Meyer will groom Fickell to be ready for the next takeover in 5 years. That will be 5 years of tutelage from a two-time (soon to be three or more??) national champion coach.
Fickell in 5 years will be much more ready to run the program.
Agreed.
Fickell knows he wasn’t ready for the top job at OSU. And I think he’d be happier as a highly valued assistant at OSU than a HC somewhere lesser, at this point in his career. If Urban hangs on 6-8 years, maybe that’s Fickell’s shot, or a few years working with Urban, then head coach in the MAC or I-AA, then maybe be a candidate for the top job at OSU.
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Depends on the option...
The option would need to be HC.
The team would need to be above a scrub.
I think it will really depend on how well he does right out of the gate. If history has taught us three things about Urban Meyer, they are: he is one of the great offensive minds in football, he is a recruiter with few peers and he does not handle adversity well. Since those Bowling Green days pretty well every team Meyer has touched has turned to gold and he’s done the things that matter most to a fan base- Beat your rivals, win the conference, have a chance for something huge every couple of seasons- better than any other coach today. However he’s also shown two worrisome attributes for a coach- loyalty to inefficient coordinators (Don’t forget the Adazzio years) and a physical inability to handle adversity. He collapsed after the title game loss to Alabama and lost 25 lbs. during his awful (by his standards) last season at Florida. This is not a man you can count on to take care of himself when things aren’t going well. If Meyer wins the Big Ten in his first two years he may have an extended run of dominance ahead of him, if he doesn’t he very well may fizzle out before he ever does.
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