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Mid-Season Division Arguments Part II: Breaking Down the Leaders Contenders

STATE COLLEGE, PA - OCTOBER 29: So what happens if Penn State wins the Paterno trophy? Is that kind of like dividing by 0? (Photo by Justin K. Aller/Getty Images)

Yesterday, we mapped out how the contenders (mathematically) in the Legends division are looking as we get prepared for a stretch run of football. Each writer gave reasons for hope, despair, and what might happen. As of now, it sounds like Sparty is still the 'favorite' to get to Indianapolis. If you missed it, here is yesterday's post. Now we turn our attention to the Leaders. Even though Penn State has a commanding two game lead, a tough stretch run and mixed-results offensively leaves the door wide open for Ohio State, Wisconsin, and maybe even Purdue.

For each team contending, OTE writers were asked to answer the following:

  1. Why will your team be going to Indianapolis?
  2. Why will your team be watching the CCG from the living room?
  3. What should we probably expect to happen?
So, in alphabetical order, here are your Leaders contenders (mathematically):

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Ohio State - KennardHusker

1. Why will your team be going to Indianapolis?

This comes down to talent and momentum. After the Nebraska game, most pundits left Ohio State off the list of possible candidates for Indianapolis, but one very important fact was that the Buckeyes put up points with their Quarterback of the future, Braxton Miller. After regrouping, Ohio State showed everyone why their defense is still a force to be reckoned with and the return of Boom Herron has really given another weapon to a once-ailing offense. While Ohio State does not control their own destiny, they have a much more favorable schedule than Penn State and they own a tiebreaker over Wisconsin. Assuming, Ohio State wins out, and Penn State drops two out of their next three, a strong possibility, and the Buckeyes will take their place at the top of the B1G heap... again. 

2. Why will your team be watching the CCG from the living room?

Ohio State watches the first B1G CCG from home because they do not control their own destiny and even if the pieces fall into place, The Game seems to be a smashmouth affair at the Big House on Nov. 26th. Think Hoke wants those kids from Ohio raining on his inaugural parade? I don't either. Ohio State has no room for error, and despite the losses being from the other side of the conference, Penn State still has the inside track. Add to that the reality of a first year coach learning to keep his team together down the stretch and a freshman QB learning to not make mistakes at inopportune times, and you have a recipe for disaster.

3. What should we probably expect to happen?

I openly admit that I am not an Ohio State fan first, so this prediction comes off a little more disingenuous than others. Regardless, I see wins against Purdue, Indiana and Penn State, but a loss to Michigan that knocks the Buckeyes out ofo the CCG. If I've learned anything about B1G football, it's don't bet on an away team in a rivalry game. Hoke has had this game circled on the calendar since he got hired. I predict Michigan to pull out every trick in the book to win that game.

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Penn State - Paterno Ave

1. Why will your team be going to Indianapolis?

"Defense wins championships." Penn State has the best defense in the conference, and they just played their best game of the season. You could even extend that to their 3 best quarters of the season in a row since the great halftime adjustments made against Northwestern. This is a defense that plays great against the run (the offensive forte of all three of the remaining teams on the schedule) and has managed to force turnovers to help win tight games. They are extremely well-disciplined as well, which I think will help them match up particularly well with Nebraska and Wisconsin's offensives schemes.

 

If the offense was only averaging a touchdown more per game you have to think Penn State wouldn't be considered such a long shot for Indianapolis. I think with a bye week to help key players like Derek Moye and Silas Redd rest up, they could be at their most competent (read: mediocre enough to win) for the final stretch.

2. Why will your team be watching the CCG from the living room?

The schedule.

Group A: Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, and Iowa.
Group B: Nebraska, Ohio State, and Wisconsin.

Seems like a pretty classic case of the "haves" and the "have-not's." The 8-1 record so far has only done one thing: put Penn State in position to have a memorable season. It has not given fans anything memorable yet. Penn State has been a favorite in every Big Ten game this season. They will likely be an underdog in every one of the remaining three contests. They don't have the offensive firepower to get into shootouts with Nebraska or Wisconsin (or hell even Ohio State); it's going to take drag-out, low-scoring slugfests with a couple likely breaks for the Nittany Lions to get the 2 wins they need to get to Indianapolis, and it's hard to imagine any defense being able to do that every single week of the season.

3. What should we probably expect to happen?

I think Penn State wins one of the next two, setting up a Big Ten Semifinal with Wisconsin in Madison to close the season out. Penn State should be competitive with the Badgers, but I think the safer bet would be to take Wisconsin at home for their trip to the game in Indy.

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Purdue - babaoreally

1. Why will your team be going to Indianapolis?

Purdue will go to Indy if the following things happen:

1. Wisconsin follows up their two close losses at tough road venues with an epic collapse at home against the Boilers.

2. Braxton Miller and Dan Herron get hurt against Indiana this Saturday, Fickle puts Bauserman in the Purdue game, and he throws a few interceptions that get returned for TDs.
3. Purdue beats Indiana and Iowa, which they should, but I wouldn't count on it.
4. Penn State loses to Nebraska, Ohio State and Wisconsin.

2. Why will your team be watching the CCG from the living room?

Purdue is not good enough to beat Wisconsin on the road and Ohio State at home in back-to-back games. If somehow that were to happen Purdue would either lose to Iowa at home, or pull an Iowa and lose the bucket game for the second straight year.

3. What should we probably expect to happen?

It seems like there is a 50% chance that the Boilers will make it to 6-6 and a bowl. I tend to be pessimistic, so I'm saying 5-7. Purdue gets crushed against Wisconsin, plays better against OSU but still loses, loses a winnable game against Iowa, and beats IU in Bloomington.

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Wisconsin - Hilary Lee

1. Why will your team be going to Indianapolis?

Wisconsin is going to Indy because, despite losing two weeks in a row on Hail Mary passes, they still have the most complete team in the division. Yes, I know that the last two weeks have shown that the Badgers are in fact mortal -- and that Bret Bielema still has problems with late game time out calls, that our secondary can be beat, and that, frankly, the universe hates me, but that doesn't take a away from the fact that Wisconsin is still a scary scary team. We've got a ridiculous running game and, when he's not committing intentional grounding penalties, an experienced and accurate QB who can make things happen on the ground if given the chance by the play calling.

Also, our remaining schedule really isn't all that bad. Purdue and Minnesota, games that could have been traps before we dropped two, will likely turn out as focused beat downs now. Illinois is still coached by Ron Zook. And no matter what you think about Penn State, that game is mercifully in Camp Randall, and I still don't believe in the Nittany Lions offense. Oh, and Ohio State still has to play in the Big House. I mean, at some point we've got to get a break, right?

2. Why will your team be watching the CCG from the living room?

Wisconsin won't go to Indy because they've dug themselves into too deep a hole to get out of. It's nice when you control your own destiny -- not so much when even winning out doesn't guarantee you a trip to the championship game. At this point, the two other teams vying for an Indy spot are both on the upswing, and the Badgers look to be trending towards the flameout to beat all flameouts. Even if they knock off Penn State at home and PSU drops one to UN-L or OSU, the Badgers still have to hope that OSU gets beat by Michigan, or that PSU loses to UN-L and then beats OSU before losing to Wisconsin. Bottom line is, we need help, and it's quite possible it just won't happen.

3. What should we probably expect to happen?

We should expect that Wisconsin will somehow win out and make it to Indy. Why? Because the PSU game is at Camp Randall. That's what it comes down to. I still don't fully believe in the Buckeyes, and it's hard for me to accept that the universe is that cruel. If the PSU game were on the road, I'd probably be saying the Badgers were toast right about now, but Camp Randall is a very hard place to come out with a win. And I just don't know that the Nittany Lions are good enough to beat both UN-L and OSU.

Poll
Who will win the Leaders division?
Ohio State
72 votes
Penn State
144 votes
Purdue
9 votes
Wisconsin
110 votes

335 votes | Poll has closed

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very well done

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by Graham Filler on Nov 3, 2011 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

even with a loss to Michigan, tOSU can still get to Indy

One scenario: Michigan beats both tOSU and Wiscy and PSU loses out. There, tOSU, Wiscy & PSU are 3-loss teams; tOSU has both head-to-heads and goes to Indy.

Another scenario adds Illinois: PSU loses out (3 losses); IL wins out (3 losses); Wiscy drop its game to IL (3 losses) and tOSU wins the next three but loses to MI (3 losses). In that scenario, tOSU holds the head-to-head against all three and, again, goes to Indy.

Have to admit, in this very first year, I am loving the divisional split in the B1G. Welcome Nebraska; should have added a 12th team years ago!!!

by WarBuck46410 on Nov 3, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

very very interesting. Likely? Not a chance in hell, but very interesting nonetheless.

by talonk on Nov 3, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going with the safe choice and saying Penn State

But it’s really easy to envision a scenario where any of the top three teams ends up playing for the inaugural B1G title.

This is a really fun season of college football.

by cwel87 on Nov 3, 2011 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I know what their schedule is.

They have too large a lead to be ignored, though. They can lose any game of their choosing and still walk away the champion – shit, they could lose two and potentially still be headed to Indianapolis.

The bottom line is 5-0 gives a pretty large advantage at this stage over two 2-2 squads.

by cwel87 on Nov 3, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm actually surprised

by the number of votes for PSU. I think this Nebraska game will tell a lot about the final two away games. Then again, if it’s anything like the rest of the season, it won’t tell us anything other than Penn State’s record at the end of it.

by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Nov 3, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

ha

PSU is the wildcard…I’m a firm believer that until you beat a big-time team (OSU beating Wisky), I won’t believe in you. So I don’t believe in PSU…until they win Saturday.

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by Graham Filler on Nov 3, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they're not going to win this Saturday

Fortunately for them, they won’t be losing either. Unless the bye forces McGloin to fumble the ball eight times.

Which is entirely possible.

by cwel87 on Nov 3, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll still mange to throw a few picks to Florida.

Gotta keep the Gators secondary on their toes, even this time of year.

by psuwxman on Nov 4, 2011 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think MSU has a better defense than PSU

They are still a great defense.

I’m picking OSU for the title game.

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by Seer on Nov 3, 2011 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

And I think you're wrong.

So neener neener.

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by 06Lion on Nov 3, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

We won't know how good

PSU’s D really is until they play a couple more games.

by AhliBobwa on Nov 4, 2011 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Their D is still in question, just because they haven’t yet played these final 3 games? The completed chunk of the season doesn’t matter, because most of the teams they have faced aren’t offensive juggernauts? First off, outside of one game against their BCS opponents, the offense hasn’t been able to put together sustained drives to give the D a break. Regardless of quality of opponent, the defense has consistently been forced to play the majority of the game and often in lousy field position. As has been noted, they’ve held Alabama to their fewest scoring total so far this season. They locked down Temple’s legitimate running game. They stifled Illinois completely, and dominated jNW for a half when they stopped giving up the short dink and dunk passes. It can’t be overstated…the defense is outstanding, and has come up with big plays time after time when they’re needed. And they’ve done it without the starting middle linebacker and the best defensive end on the team. This defense will fair very well against Nebraska and Ohio State, and will do better against Wisconsin than they did against Bama. The other side of the ball is what will determine if they win any of the next 3 games.

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by 06Lion on Nov 4, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ohio State to Indy seems the most likely to me (shocking I know)

State Penn isn’t going to beat tOSU at home with just defense, and since their QB might as well be wearing Scarlet with all the points he’s known to put on the other teams scoreboard, he’s more of a liability than an asset. Not to mention they have to play Wisky, at Camp Randall, where virtually no team has success, let alone a team with zero offensive capability. I see PSU dropping 2 out of 3, if not all 3 of their up-coming games. The game against TSUN is going to mean something for the first time in what seems like forever. Won’t go as far as to proclaim a W right now, but the game doesn’t exactly scare me….

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by BuckeyeSki on Nov 3, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

since their QB might as well be wearing Scarlet with all the points he’s known to put on the other teams scoreboard

While I agree with this sentiment for last year, he hasn’t had any pick 6s this year, and only 2 INTs all season. While this could still happen, so far, McGloin seems more mentally sharp this year.

Also, Ohio State’s QB situation isn’t all sunshine and roses.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 3, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really doesn't have to be sunshine and roses

Miller has the running skills to make up for his lack of polished passing. Add in the fact that now that the B1G’s best RB in Boom Herron is back, and defenses have no choice to key on him instead of the Frosh QB with wheels. Can you honestly say you’d rather have McMoxie than Braxton?

tOSU is at home, has the better offense, better ST play and IMHO the defense is a push. It will still be a close game, like it always is, but the edge is clearly with Ohio St

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by BuckeyeSki on Nov 3, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahhh

k

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by Graham Filler on Nov 3, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silas Redd > Boom Herron

And I can honestly say I’d rather have Penn State’s defense over Ohio State’s.

by cwel87 on Nov 3, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

eh...

on average, yes. Boom’s career thus far has been wildly inconsistent. He sprinkles in Heisman level games with average-B1G-backup level games. Boom at his best is special.

OSU’s defense ~= Illinois’ defense. Illinois has a better secondary. OSU has a better front 7. On the whole, pretty equal

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 3, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you base this on?

Look at PSU’s schedule to date. It is easy to be impressive against Temple and the like. I’m not saying that they are bad, just that they haven’t really been tested since Bama.

by biggy84 on Nov 3, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and every week since Bama (except for the EMU week)

at least one person has said “this is the week Penn State will be tested”. Yet, after they win ugly against all of those teams, this sentiment has disappeared.

Not to play down our next three games—obviously this will be a tough stretch. I am just expecting that if we beat Nebraska, if it’s ugly (as it probably will be, no matter who wins), many people (some Penn State fans included) will still say, they haven’t been tested since Bama.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 4, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember the last time

a first-year starting QB had to rely more on his legs than his arm at home against PSU?

by psuwxman on Nov 4, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

yes, I can say I'd rather have McGloin than Braxton

I’d rather have someone who’s been in the system for a few years and can lead a clutch drive (rather than scramble to make a clutch play, like the last second TD vs. Wisconsin).

Mcgloin’s greatest asset is his greatest weakness—his confidence. He always thinks he can win. I haven’t seen that from Miller, and until he proves he wouldn’t shut down when he’s been shut down, then I’d take McGloin.

Plus, as said above, I’d take Redd over Herron. And Moye elevates everyone’s play on the field.

And our defense is the best in the conference—speaking of clutch. They’ve won the majority of our games, and no other D in the conference can say that. If our offense was half as good as our D, there would be no discussion about whether Penn State could win the Big Ten.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 4, 2011 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who are the delusional folks that voted for Purdue?

I sure as hell didn’t I think Penn State has too big of a lead to blow it.

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by BoilerTMill on Nov 3, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I feel like somehow

the schedule is going to break the right way for either OSU or Bucky. Between those two, Wisconsin will probably play more consistently down the stretch here, where OSU just looks good one week and horribly bad the next. A rematch against the Huskers would be pretty sweet.

by rzor on Nov 3, 2011 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Love it. Always a rec

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 3, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the time the schedules came out until August

I said the Michigan — MSU winner would play the Penn State — Ohio State winner in Indy. I also said that in the Legends there would be 3-4 teams all enter Thanksgiving weekend 5-2 / 4-3 with a mathematical shot at winning it. I see no reason to change either of those predictions yet.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 3, 2011 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Ohio State has one of the easiest paths

left to get to the CCG. Penn State has to play @Nebraska, @Ohio State, and then end with Wisconsin? If they make it through all of that, (which happens to be the 6th toughest stretch of games as far as SOS left) then they deserve to be in the CCG, and of course will be. In my opinion, they also probably deserve to win it.

Of course, 1 loss (if they lose to Ohio State) means OSU is in if they win out. It’s crazy to think about. Plus, Ohio State would most likely be playing an opponent they’ve already faced. Michigan State they lost by 3 points, where Bauserman was in key moments. Nebraska was getting handled pretty easily until the fumble, and Braxton getting hurt. After that, Bauserbombs blew a 20 point lead, and the Huskers sneaked by them. If a rematch takes place, I have to like the odds. This Buckeye team has come far from where they were Week 4 and 5, and I don’t think I’m being that biased as an OSU fan here. Tell me what you guys think.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 3, 2011 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops

Got Nebraska and Wisconsin mixed up. Nittany Lions end regular season with @Wisconsin, after playing Nebraska at home, and then Buckeyes in Columbus.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 3, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im buying

what your selling broski

You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)

by BuckeyeSki on Nov 3, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just for the sake of clarity

tOSU was only up by 7 when Bauserman came in the game against NU.

by Lake_show on Nov 3, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Such a coaching fail

“Hey, we’re up on the road against a good offense, late in the 2nd half. The backup QB is in. We’ve thrown 8 passes all game, and outside of 1 throw (the 32 yard TD to the TE), have had limited-at-best success throwing the football. Let’s start chucking it!”

If the entire staff had been fired after that game, it probably wouldn’t have been a wise move, but people would have totally understood.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 3, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Hey, we’re up on the road against a good offense, late in the 2nd half. The backup QB is in. We’ve thrown 8 passes all game, and outside of 1 throw (the 32 yard TD to the TE), have had limited-at-best success throwing the football. Let’s start chucking it!"

Ahh, Walrus-ball at it’s finest. And by finest I mean vomit inducing for Ohio State fans, and baffling for all other college football fans (though probably amusing).

by Estrada on Nov 3, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

while Braxton may have generated another score or 2 against Nebraska, that loss is solely on the defense. No way they should blow that big of a lead, even if Bauserfail’s grandma is quarterbacking the game.

by talonk on Nov 3, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Bauserman’s play didn’t help things, and neither did the play calling. Ohio State threw it MORE times with Bauserman in than Braxton. Yes it was only 2 more attempts, but Bauserman went 1/10…while Braxton went 5/8 for 1 TD and 95 yards. Wow, looking at that right no infuriates me. Winnable game, and Carlos Hyde was feeling it, but we decide to air it out with the Heisman candidate wearing #14.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 3, 2011 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Plus, to add to YOUR 5 star defense, your offense just is fantastic. Probably the best I’ve seen so far this year.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 4, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I screwed up the wording.

I knew Penn State had to lose another game, I just didn’t make it clear that in that scenario, Ohio State would win no matter what, just for the sake of the argument.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 3, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Penn State loses just once, they're in no matter who they lose to.

On the other flip of the coin, if they beat the Buckeyes, Ohio State is automatically eliminated.

by cwel87 on Nov 3, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slightly off-topic

I don’t know what the B1G opinion has been on JoePa in the past, but as a lifelong Nebraska fan I think sure, he’s probably a bit too old to still be the head coach, but I’d love to shake his hand. I have endless respect for the guy, and just hope he doesn’t die on the sideline.

by rzor on Nov 3, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm anti-everything State Penn

and even I respect the hell out of the man. He’s a legend (that pooped his pants in 2006 at the ’Shoe)

You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)

by BuckeyeSki on Nov 3, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dear PSU

Please beat Nebraska. Thanks

SIgned,
Sparty

by SpartyFever on Nov 3, 2011 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes please.

I’d rather not have to rely on Michigan. I will root for them if I have to, but I’ll hate myself for it.

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by SpartanDan on Nov 3, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Penn State takes it.

They won’t win out, but two out of three is enough and they’ve got chances even if they only win one.

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by SpartanDan on Nov 3, 2011 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

That just keeps popping an image in my mind

of Ohio State beating Penn State and begging Wisconsin to beat them. It sucks when you don’t control if you go or not after winning.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Nov 4, 2011 5:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

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