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The Associated Press is reporting that Penn State football coach Joe Paterno has decided to retire at end of the season.

The AP source says Paterno will announce his retirement later Wednesday.

[BH: EDIT w/ Paterno's Statement:

"I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief," Paterno said in a statement released just after initial reports of his pending retirement.

"I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

"That's why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

"This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more. My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this university."]

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Sad that it came to this.

I’m not a Penn State fan, but I’ve always admired Joe Paterno.

I’m still hoping that a full investigation will reveal that Paterno himself was lied to by PSU, and told that there was nothing to the allegations against Sandusky.

I can hope, anyway.

by Midnight Rambler on Nov 9, 2011 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

I always thought

that at Paterno’s last home game, the stadium would be named after him. I’m not expecting that on Saturday.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Nov 9, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

I think they'd do it eventually

I doubt he’ll live to see it though…

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

It all depends on what comes to light in the forthcoming investigation.

If further evidence suggests Paterno was himself deceived by the University about what Sandusky most certainly did, then yes, someday it will be Paterno Stadium.

If it turns out that Paterno did indeed turn a blind eye to allegations of child rape, then no.

by Midnight Rambler on Nov 9, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think this will happen either

but it’s more likely his statue will be removed than the stadium named after him the way things are progressing

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Nov 9, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I suppose we'll have to wait and see...

It’s hard for me to imagine him coming forward and telling the truth to investigators about the report, it corroborating with the story of the eyewitness, and being explicitly listed as not a suspect in the original report, and things suddenly showing up, implicating him as a player in this whole scandal. Stranger things have happened, but it doesn’t seem like the actions of a guilty man, especially a really old one (since we’re in the court of public guilt anyways)

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Unavoidable

I feel like from the moment all of this broke, this was the unavoidable outcome. If he didn’t announce his retirement on his own, he would have been forced out regardless of what he knew or what he did in all of this. The Board of Trustees’ job right now isn’t to determine guilt or innocence, that’s what the legal system is for. Their job is to regain control of the situation to fix the problem, and the only way they take control of the situation is with a clean sweep of everyone involved— including JoePa. This won’t be the last resignation/firing.

But I do hope, for Paterno and his family’s sake, and for everyone connected to Penn State, that he’s ultimately cleared of any significant wrongdoing by the investigations that are coming. This is a horrible way for his tenure to end, and I hope that it becomes possible for him to continue to work for the benefit of his school in other ways.

by TDozer on Nov 9, 2011 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

I always respected Paterno, but never understood why he people referred to him as a legend. Maybe it was just because he was so old. He was at the Penn State helm for so long! Of course he was going to win a ton. He also did some things like kill the Pitt-PSU rivalry that used to be so important in the state, only because he felt Pitt disrespected him. The past decade, he was just in a race with Bobby Bowden to get the most wins, the battle of the senile coaches. I thought he was holding the Penn State program hostage from reaching the potential it really has. Now, rather than resign now, he wants to close out the season and get his ride off into the sunset. If he would have done the right thing (also a very difficult thing) in 1998, then he would have gotten that amazing ending on his own terms. He didn’t, and now he is just showing everyone that Joe Paterno comes before Penn State and the players that play there.

by snoopblue on Nov 9, 2011 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

I think demographics is/was a bigger problem for PSU than Paterno over the last 15 years.

Nothing would help PSU more than if all keystone staters would breed nonstop. They need recruits.

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by meatybob on Nov 9, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Not trying to be Andy Staples

But for the games to have any sense of normalcy, I do believe that Paterno can’t be there.

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by meatybob on Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

I am not looking forward to Saturday one bit. I’ve actually considered the benefits of cancelling the game, even though that hurts the players who had nothing to do with this. Still, what can we expect? How do we know that someone angry at Penn State won’t try to do something stupid to people who shouldn’t feel their wrath (players… who are kids by their own right). This is just such a sad, infuriating fiasco, and I just cannot really come to terms with what will happen if Paterno is on the sideline come Saturday. I generally hate Chatelain, but he brings up a good point in saying that allowing Paterno to coach that game with the allegations hanging over his head and his admittance of knowledge of something is a slight to the victims. I don’t know… it just seems inappropriate for him to be there.

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by KennardHusker on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm no Paterno fan

But that’s harsh.

And just to be clear, I’m referring to the implied reference of his impending mortality not the sarcasm directed at the quote from his retirement statement. The latter I get.

by NC_Buckeye on Nov 9, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

We all die

It would be an appropriate remark for any man no matter how old they are. This is the kind of moral decision that is life defining if you fail, and it seems he did.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Nov 9, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

It's often said

your one regret will be your epitaph.

by rzor on Nov 9, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

he should be retiring today

once again, this is another example of PSU putting football before the victims.

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by ThroughBeingCool on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Next spring:

Kirk Ferentz is found to be running a Ponzi scheme and is forced out by Iowa.
This is becoming a lovely trend in the Big 10.

by Brutus89 on Nov 9, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

This is BAD

How are the Gophers going to keep Floyd if Iowa has a real coach?

If we’re going to run with the Ponzi scheme idea, can we at least try to tie in the new, old, BEST CyHawk trophy and Iowa Corn?

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Lovely trend, indeed...

says the new guy (who promptly sees two marquee conference mates engulfed in scandal).

/briefly wonders what he walked into
//remains happy to be here & supportive of new brothers

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by crowe1856 on Nov 9, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ferentz has survived a LOT in Iowa already

a bundled rape case involving his players and a bundled 13 player freak training thing…., and somehow he came out of both smelling like roses, or at the very least not smelling like shit.

and since he isnt getting good enough recruits to be another Tressel, that would mean he would be another Paterno, and i dont see it after the rape case. the rape case was Ferentz’s scared straight moment i think.

then again, if it can happen to JoePa…….

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 9, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

by came out smelling like roses, i mean after a year or so

i think the 13 are pretty much forgotten right now.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 9, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Dave Bliss

The former Baylor BB coach is the closest thing to this situation that i can remember.

by biggy84 on Nov 9, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I haven't forgotten that

but kidney jokes are in poor taste

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Nov 9, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't help but feel like...

Paterno announced his retirement at the end of the season to get ahead of the story (i.e. he wanted to leave on his own terms and finish the season). If he waited and let the narrative be dictated to him, he likely would be forced out by whatever authority is left standing in Happy Valley.

I’m not sure how I feel whether it’s right or wrong for him to stay as it sounds like he may be less culpable than what has been feared. Is there any word whether Paterno did this unilateraly or if this was sanctioned by a higher-up at Penn State?

by Nasty N8 on Nov 9, 2011 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

And its another example of how bad things are @ PSU

The administration could not handle the reporting of a crime. They apperantly knew that this investiagtion was going on for while and did not have a plan in place for when it hit the fan. And now they cant handle Paterno and tell him what will be happening instead of him thelling them what will happen.
Welcome to the dark ages Penn St.
With this kind of track record, I am sure that PSU fans are confident that a new, qualified regime will be hired quickly and things will be right back on track.

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by Amonra on Nov 9, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Has anyone ever seen an institution this size

curl up into a fetal position and refuse to come out of its room?

The president issues the dumbest, most pathetic press release in history praising his friends who are under indictment for playing “hide the felon” for 15 years, the BoT is taking dictation from the football coach — there is no one flying this airplane. (metaphor alert, sorry)

You’re going to have 100,000 people weeping and celebrating Paterno on Saturday, while the networks interview some victim or his mom, and asking that person how it feels to hear all the cheering for Paterno.

Seriously, somebody needs to put his hands on the stick, this thing is headed straight for a mountain.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 2:36 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

The plane has crashed into the goddamn mountain

It’s too late. PSU needed to have itself ready for every detail last week. They apparently gambled it all on this story being ignored.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Nov 9, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, maybe, but it really hasn't started exploding and tumbling down the mountainside yet.

And these people in Happy Valley think it’s all about Paterno.

And the BoT thinks it can have meetings every few days to talk things over.

And the football coach thinks it’s his decision when he goes.

And the entire country is disgusted, not that anyone in Happy Valley, Penna seems to grasp that fact or care.

I’ve just never seen anything like it.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I have zero idea of what will happen on Saturday

It has potential to be the most disgusting, strange, sad, infuriating experiences to watch. I am extremely sad that the BoT has not issued Paterno and McQueary their respective walking papers. This has nothing to do with due-process of the law anymore. Regardless of what is to come, the fact of the matter is that right now, literally today, by letting Paterno call his shots, the Penn State administration is saying, “Hey victims, we are really sorry about what happened, but this is a legendary coach and regardless of what his role may or may not be, we’re going to go ahead and not consider how that makes you feel. It’s not personal, it’s business.”

I have said it before, I do not think it is fair to the players to cancel the game, and like Jon pointed out, PSU alums deserve to see their school play for the good that they have represented (and in my opinion still represent in many ways). However, if the administration continues to allow this circus continue at the expense of real victims, as opposed to ‘victims of public opinion’ like Paterno… who is not a victim and needs to stop being referred by anyone as anything more than a part of the problem, then they have failed miserably. The only way I see the game being a legitimate game on Saturday is if Paterno has been relieved of his coaching job and the administration wipes their hands clean of his regime.

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by KennardHusker on Nov 9, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

With both you and Bellanca above.

The people of Pennsylvania and PSU students and alumni need to come out of their fog. No good can come out of this until the BOT takes control and cleans house. It’s time to make a break and look to the future.

It’s also time to acknowledge the responsibility owned to the victims. Doing the above would go a long way towards starting that process.

by NC_Buckeye on Nov 9, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The Board of Trustees needs to wipe the slate entirely clean and start anew

And I love how Paterno mentioned in his press release that the BoT ‘should not spend a single minute discussing my status’, so as to undermine any decision they would potentially make regarding his status. Because, you know, that would mean they had discussed it.

He may be 84, but he’s still a wily, crafty old bastard.

by cwel87 on Nov 9, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Some of that sounds like his POS son

Scott Paterno has been the most classless individual in supporting his father through this. By issuing ‘decrees’ as if he had some ounce of power has been annoying at best and sickening at worst. His ‘spinning’ of public sentiment and war of words with the media to ‘defend’ the actions of Joe has been ridiculous. I think JoePa deserves due process, but that does not mean he deserves to coach another game. He has admitted he knew something was wrong, now it’s time to step aside and face the music.

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by KennardHusker on Nov 9, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't agree with this.

And I’m just going to leave it at that.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I admit that I'm fired up right now...

While calling out a man’s son is probably overboard, I fully stand by my call for Paterno to step down immediately. He should focus his attention on defending himself and not pull attention away from his team. Furthermore, even be connected to the events at this point and remaining in a position of power at minimum gives the vibe of indifference to the victims in this matter. But yes, I do recant my calling his son out like I did… That is not exactly a fair shot. However, he has not looked good in this.

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by KennardHusker on Nov 9, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Such a sad, sad thing

all the way around.

Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.

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by Ted Glover on Nov 9, 2011 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

now the Feds might act on the violation of the Cleary act.

The univ might be barred from any fed grant for research, education..who knows what the ramifications are. This does not end well for PSU. I am stunned that the administrators at PSU lied to a grand jury and the President as recently as 2007 said this is the best job in USA!
Lawsuits, trials..this is just sad and it seems like around 20 men have come forward. I hope the boys, who are grown men now get justice from society.Joe Pa did not act on info in 1998. It is sad a to leave college football like this. I always believed the last game of Joe Pa might be the biggest sendoff game in college football history.

by spartynation on Nov 9, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

Was just going to say the same thing

Paterno may still face charges. Michael McCann, Sports Law Professor, explains the various legal dealings that may play out.

If the federal Dept of Justice gets involved (several lawmakers are alleging a violation of the Clery Act), then he now has to face a prosecutorial team that may not be as understanding. There is still a possibility he may be charged.

Given this I would expect the PSU BOT to not allow him to coach another game.

by NC_Buckeye on Nov 9, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

When does Delaney make a call to the BoT?

If Joe Pa is at Saturday’s game it will make the B1G look bad.

So I tried the Barbasol and Rotel dip and I was very dissapointed!

by Amonra on Nov 9, 2011 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

I'm willing to believe every president in the B1G is offering to help sort this out

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt anyone is picking up the phone. No one would want to touch this with a ten foot pole.

by Dano517 on Nov 9, 2011 5:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

er....

I guess I meant to help hold everything together at PSU. This scandal is taking all the attention away from operations. Probably calling to offer help hold it all together while the PSU leaders clean up this CF

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I read the grand jury report.

We will never truly know who is telling the truth. ( I mean this not from the sense of that we need corroborating testimony – short of video evidence we can never know what was said to whom nine years ago).

Although it seems like the worst game of telephone ever, it still seems to me that Paterno comes off with a bit more culpability.

McQueary sees Sandusky committing buggery in the shower with a kid. He tells his Dad. He tells Paterno. Either he tells Paterno the truth (he witnessed an illegal sex act) or he couches it in euphemism.

Paterno then meets with his hire ups and suddenly what was " I saw Sandusky engaged in an illegal sex act" becomes “Sandusky was in the shower with a kid and touched him inappropriately”.

So either McQueary didn’t tell Paterno the explicit (both meanings) truth or Paterno knew the truth and lessened the severity of it his superiors.

McQueary’s promotion the next season, sure makes it sound like the latter case. If McQueary was truthful in his Grand Jury testimony and didn’t follow up after the university’s inaction, he should be fired immediately. He should probably see his name in a civil suit in a short time as well.

by MSULaxer27 on Nov 9, 2011 3:54 PM CST reply actions  

I really don't buy the "McQueary got promoted as a reward for keeping quiet" thing

That said, I feel he is every bit as much to blame as everyone else, if not more so. He did the right thing initially by telling Paterno. When he later saw that nothing came of it – i.e: the chain of command failed, he should’ve gone to the police directly. Maybe not legally, but morally. And that needs to be the law from now on.

Furthermore, Sandusky has been coming and going from football facilities for the last 13 years, even as recently as TWO WEEKS AGO. For more than a decade, McQueary has on undoubtedly a regular basis seen a man he saw anally raping a 10-year-old boy in the shower. And he did nothing.

by Arro on Nov 9, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I really fail to see the difference between the two options you gave Paterno regarding what he told his superiors. Please, please tell me you don’t either.

by westshaw on Nov 9, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying either are acceptable or do not warrant further action.

There is a large difference between inappropriate touching (which can be a wide variety of things) and being caught inflagrante delicto with a child.

For example swatting a kid on his butt while he were naked and coming out of the shower may be considered inappropriate contact. There is a huge difference between that and what allegedly occurred.

What I meant was that we don’t know which way it was spun from Paterno

by MSULaxer27 on Nov 9, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps the BoT will do what Paterno told them to do, because they're used to it, and he will retire on his own terms.

Or perhaps Paterno will get fired tonight. If he isn’t, it’s a statement that Paterno is more important than the University. There are a great many people on BSD who believe he is.

These people have lost their minds if they’re going to put themselves on national TV this week, in their current condition.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

if you think that retiring at season's end is what he ultimately wanted, sure.

I doubt that;s the case though.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Nov 9, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

So, what's everybody feeling about this
At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address.

I understand what Paterno is trying to do in this situation but does he not realize how big of a role he is still playing in this situation?

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by Say Ramrod on Nov 9, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

As the lightning rod taking all the heat off the people who should be getting it?

/amirite?

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering that Curley and Shultz have been charged with crime and dismissed along with Spanier, he’s doing a pretty poor job of taking the heat off. Their situations help show how Paterno is bringing so much of this scrutiny upon himself by being so gosh darn stubborn and demanding that he goes out on his own terms.

by GCS on Nov 9, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

But he's the face of Penn State and that's what every news story is about

The discussion is not about what the graduate student didn’t do or what the janitor didn’t do and very little about Schultz and Curley in comparison to all the stories about hatin’ JoePa, despite being a very, very small cog in this whole machine – based on the Grand Jury report.

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, yeah

I know you hate me. Get over it

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I think your moral compass is missing, and you are saying a series of demonstrably preposterous things.

It’s not a big deal unless you’re actually in a situation where you manage people and have a family to care for.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Or your reading comprehension is on-par with 3rd grader

You’re just reading bits of it and regurgitating is, TMZ style, to make it sound like I’m a NAMBLA life member or something. I was an RA in college, and had to deal with cases of rape, along with false accusations of rape in an educational setting, and got the same training that I’m sure JoePa did, and been through personally or seen what he’s going through first-hand.

So now that you’ve already opened your mouth and proven you’re an idiot, get over it. You and I will clearly never agree on this, so stop taking shots across the bow for a fight I’m not going to participate in unless you come up with some verifiable facts instead of the useless, outrageous drivel you’ve been spewing all over this subject. You’re mad about this, I’m mad about this, everybody’s mad about this, but there’s a lot of information yet to surface, so we’ve gotta deal with it. I’m just trying to lay it out as a person who’s been through it all before

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Well, it's cocktail hour it seems, so occasionally things get said, and we'd best ignore them.

Also, having been an RA, I’m sure you’re “a person who’s been through it all before.”

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

and even though you're an Iowa fan, I'd still buy you a beer

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the nature of the beast though

As I said before, with great power comes great responsibility. Other people fucked up more thoroughly, but it is Paterno’s inaction we will remember as an example.

Not to quote myself again…but to quote myself again:

I fully acknowledge that many would not have [gone to the police]. That still doesn’t make it right. This is a societal failing of the highest degree (and Paterno is the chief target of the bystanders simply because of his social standing – but make no mistake, everyone failed those children in this situation), and we should treat it as such.

by cwel87 on Nov 9, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what Paterno is trying to do.

What he is doing is attempting to dictate the terms of his withdrawal to the BoT. What he is doing is presuming that being on the sidelines this weekend is good for PSU. What he is doing is going over the heads of his BoT to the public.

At the same time his resignation declares that Sandusky is guilty (this, from the most famous man in Penna) so I have no idea where they try that guy now, while he also states that he should have done more (which just doubled their civil liability, at least).

It will be interesting to see if the BoT still cares to be told what to do. It must be bedlam inside that board room and on the conference calls. They clearly do not have their shit together — and one reason is that they long-standing president didn’t tell all of them what was going on before last Saturday.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's an attempt

To try and diffuse himself out of this situation as quickly as possible (in his mind). Had none of this surfaced there’s no doubt in my mind that he would be coaching again next year.

That leads to the fact that with Paterno resigning amid all of this it becomes pretty obvious that Sandusky is most definitely guilty. How you find a group of people in PA that either don’t know about this case or are open minded about it is beyond me.

I have to imagine the BoT is getting a lot of heat (and will get a lot more) for not sending Paterno away for at least this week if not the season/life. I have to imagine that by tomorrow night (at the latest) the BoT comes out and makes a statement on Paterno’s future on way or the other.

One more thing, and I know football isn’t what’s important right now for PSU, what about about all the kids that went there to play for Joe Pa? It’s their senior day, the last home game they play in their (seniors anyways) college career. These are still kids too. To not have the guy that they committed to four years ago on the sidelines (or press box or wherever the hell Paterno might be during a game)… I don’t even know the feelings that they will be having inside them this weekend and probably for a long time coming.

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Nov 9, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

A PSU VP refused to confirm or deny to the NY Times today that Paterno is still employed.

I agree, Senior Day should not enter into the discussion at the moment.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Bellanca, is it really surprising that he is going over the heads of the BOT

That’s exactly what he did in 2004 when Spanier and certain members of the board asked for his resignation (retirement). I believe he feels that nothing has changed and that he can do the same thing here.

He might be right. If true, it doesn’t speak very well about the people of PA that they can’t see there is a bigger issue here than their icon of a coach.

by NC_Buckeye on Nov 9, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No, it's not surprising.

It is stupid however, and arguably very selfish.

I’m not an attorney and try not to play one, but where, exactly, does Sandusky get a fair trial in Penna now that Paterno has declared him guilty? Now that Paterno has said he (and presumably others) “should have done more”, exactly what is their civil litigation defense?

The dysfunction of this university leadership and Board, however, does surprise me. I cannot think of a more incompetent crisis management response in my lifetime. Usually, in the worst case, there’s some Al Haig type who’s been waiting all his life to declare he’s in charge, so you at least can find someone with a pulse. This board and president are either locked in screaming ninnyfits or are simply comatose with shock. And the mushroom cloud is still growing.

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by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering everything is falling apart up top, there's no good answer

I mean, there’s people calling for a clean-house and there’s not even a trial yet. On one hand, you’ve gotta keep PSU open and running, and athletics is a minor part of actual operations. On the other, all of your top people are dropping like flies, the president’s future is uncertain, and there’s nobody to fill the void.

As for JoePa – He’s in a Catch-22. Either he stays and provides some stability in the athletic department and football team that’s needing all the support they can get – OR – he resigns immediately and cuts another major string holding the whole university together. Regardless, he’s the face of PSU, for better or for worse, and it’s looking like there are no good options

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting way of looking at it
Either he stays and provides some stability in the athletic department and football team that’s needing all the support they can get – OR – he resigns immediately and cuts another major string holding the whole university together.

A lot of people in important roles are going to be on their way out very shortly I would imagine. And Paterno is, as has been seen the past couple of days, more than football at PSU. If he leaves that’s not just a major part of the football program but a major part of the University that is going with him.

I wouldn’t say it leaves the University in shambles because as written in the post yesterday a University is the whole body not just one person, but it would definitely be a big blow.

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by Say Ramrod on Nov 9, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Its times like these

that im glad that Iowa’s two legends, Fry and Gable, made it out of Iowa legends intact and fondly looked upon by all.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Nov 9, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Ummm

I think you’re forgetting someone

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by NorthernStar on Nov 9, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

THAT'S DEBATABLE!

I’m not sure Lucia is on the same level as two guys in the Hockey HOF, or the Iowan God of Wrassslin’ or the man who finally pried the Big Ten championship race away from Ohio State and Michigan…. YET. If he stays around and rings in another couple championships and returns the Gophers to dynasty level, then I’m all in

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

if Gopher hockey is truly back, and Lucia brings home another championship or two, then there’s really no way you can’t. He has a better career winning % and only one less championship then Herby.

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by NorthernStar on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

True, but Brooks also coached the Miracle, which cemented his spot more than anything

We’ll see what plays out… I mean, he was almost canned this past year, so like Kevin Garnet – ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Everything you just said

means that Don Lucia is going to Boston University.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 11, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Ya, I dunno,

it just really seems to me like Paterno was just as deceived as anybody. Regardless of what he was told or wasn’t told by McQuery, one thing in the story is consistent, and that is that he (1) went to his superiors and (2) then was told by his superiors that the allegations were not true. I don’t know, but it seems to me that if I was told by my superiors it wasn’t true and I hadn’t witnessed it myself that I would presume, whether correctly or incorrectly, that they were competent and knew what they were talking about.

To those who say he should have went to the police, Paterno didn’t have the necessary information to. To be honest, since Paterno wasn’t an eye witness and clearly didn’t have all of the details, if he had went to the police there’s a good chance they wouldn’t do anything about it because they wouldn’t have grounds to do anything about it. That is really enforced by the fact that Sandusky had been accused of doing something inappropriate before and the campus police WERE talked to, and they did nothing about it.

Plus, people forget Sandusky wasn’t a coach at the time, so Paterno in reality had zero power over him. What is Paterno supposed to do? Well, what he did, which is go to the AD who actually could do something about it and didn’t.

I’m not going to say Paterno has been a victim, because in the grand scheme of this entire thing Paterno is in no way a victim, but he really has been vilified, I think unjustly, by the media and a lot of people who aren’t willing to think through this rationally.

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by Sir Sci on Nov 9, 2011 5:55 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

So -- waiting for the next BoT announcement

They need to clean house.

Spanier needs to go, now. Paterno? He’s gone in a few weeks anyway, whether they do anything more depends on how much they think he is complicit, vs. just not doing enough.

So — who’s the next AD, and coach?

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by pmeisel on Nov 9, 2011 8:39 PM CST reply actions  

ESPN just reported that Paterno has been dismissed as coach

Effective immediately. Tom Bradley will act as interim coach for the remainder of their season.

by NC_Buckeye on Nov 9, 2011 9:17 PM CST reply actions  

And here I am

thinking Paterno would leave on a higher note than Bobby Bowden did…boy, was I wrong
This is sad…

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by NorthernStar on Nov 9, 2011 9:18 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds like the tide was moving on this for a looooonnnnggg time

I don’t think any of this would’ve passed him unless he were already dead

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by Marshmoose on Nov 9, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Sad and shocking!

I never imagined this could happen to Joe Pa.

by biggy84 on Nov 9, 2011 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

Is anyone watching the BOT press conference right now

Somehow students are in there and they are asking really belligerent questions of the Trustee conducting the presser.

They just shut down the press conference very abruptly. One of the students said there is rioting going on outside.

by NC_Buckeye on Nov 9, 2011 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

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