Assorted B1G Bowl Chatter
by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 1, 2011 4:35 PM CST
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PrintAs we head toward the last weekend of the regular season, we have a little more clarity on the bowls than we normally do. Nothing has been made official, but it seems like much has been decided.
- First, there are definite tiers in the B1G pecking order. Wisconsin, Michigan State, Michigan, and Nebraska are the first tier. Penn State, Ohio State, and Iowa are the second tier. Purdue, Illinois and Northwestern are the third tier. I would be stunned to see a team jump over a team from a higher tier.
- Obviously, the winner in Indianapolis will go to Pasadena and face Oregon or UCL...Oregon. They're facing Oregon. While not fair, expect to see the loser fall to the 4th selection in the league. Revitalized Michigan and Newbie Nebraska will both be chosen before the Badgers or Spartans. Most likely, that will be the loser to the Outback Bowl. It could be the Insight Bowl.
- Michigan is a lock for a BCS Bowl, if it climbs those two spots from 16 to 14 in the BCS rankings. I think it happens, but with little margin to spare. If it is an all SEC final, Michigan will be the first selection and go to the Sugar Bowl (facing Houston, or Kansas State if Houston loses the C-USA championship). If it is LSU-Oklahoma State, Michigan will be selected by the Fiesta Bowl and will face Stanford. If Michigan doesn't climb those two spots, they'll be taken by the Capital One Bowl and will face Arkansas or South Carolina.
- Nebraska will likely head to the Capital One Bowl. This is about team fatigue. Wisconsin has been to Oranado frequently this decade. Michigan State was there last year and twice in the last three years. Nebraska is new, shiny, and full of fans who will flock to Orlando. I believe that the Huskers will be pushed down to the Outback if Michigan doesn't get the BCS berth, but that may not be a given.
Nebraska has played in an Orlando Bowl before. The 1991 Citrus Bowl. It didn't go well.
- 9-3 Penn State should be selected for the Insight Bowl. Early in the week, there were a lot of tidbits from writers talking about the bowl selecting Iowa for a return trip instead of the Lions and their 500 pound gorilla. Now today, Penn State announced that it will donate $1.5 million of its bowl proceeds to charities that assist victims of sexual assault. First, that's wonderful. Second, it's not an accident that was announced today. I suspect that Penn State was hearing that the Insight wasn't crazy about having this scandal added to the Junker mess with which they are already indirectly associated. The charitable announcement was a way of letting the Insight Bowl know that it can announce a positive with the selection of the Lions. I bet it works and that Penn State faces the Baylor-Texas winner.
- The Gator Bowl selects next, and has screamed from the mountaintop that it wants to host Urban-Bowl 2012. It looks like the Chick-Fil-A Bowl has settled on Auburn and that they will choose a different ACC team (Florida State the most likely) to avoid four Auburn-Clemson games in a 24 month stretch. That should make OSU-Florida a reality, and it will give the Buckeyes their best shot at recording their first ever victory over an SEC team in a bowl game. Should the Chick-Fil-A opt for Florida-Clemson, would the Gator choose Ohio State over Iowa to face Auburn? I'm not as sure about that.
- The Care Care Bowl of Texas is playing backstop. It will take whichever of the second tier teams is still available. Most likely, this will be Iowa. Pencil them in for Houston and a date with Texas A&M.
- The Ticket City Bowl will have its choice of the third tier. With Illinois currently a mess and Northwestern having inaugurated the bowl last year, I'm guessing that they select Purdue. If Houston wins on Saturday, this will be the last selection of C-USA's bowl teams - likely Marshall. If they lose, SMU or Tulsa should be available here. That said, C-USA has been known to jiggle their bowl assignments, so a western team could well fall here.
- Detroit and the Pizza Bowl. Northwestern or Illinois. I'm suspecting it's the 'Cats, just because of how Zooked the Illinois program is right now. Look for the bowl to do one of two things: 1) pair the B1G representative with Northern Illinois in a game that might draw some local interest or 2) pair the B1G with Toledo, the best team that didn't just play in Detroit in the MAC Championship Game. I'm guessing the latter.
- I've got Illinois as the free agent, but whichever school it is, they'll end up somewhere. New Orleans Bowl, Fight Hunger Bowl, Hawaii Bowl and New Mexico Bowl will all have openings. Illinois (or Purdue...or Northwestern) will have someplace to play. And should Michigan not make a BCS Bowl, there is still plenty of room for two of these teams to find homes.
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Call me crazy,
But I still think the B1G can get a good bowl season this year.
"it will give the Buckeyes their best shot at recording their first ever victory over an SEC team in a bowl game"
Didn’t they beat an SEC team last year?
Nope.
Arkansas lost their bowl to *.
by Norm Parker's Amputated Toes on Dec 1, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
that is correct
Do the crime, do the (self-imposed) time.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 1, 2011 5:57 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Arkansas remembers losing to tOSU.
Just like i remember your hawkeyes losing at the ’Shoe last year.
Hawkeyes lost at home to Ohio State last year
Of course, Ohio State doesn’t have a win in that game either. That’s the price of cheating.
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You admit they lost!
Whatever makes you feel better about your mediocrity. I bet you have a Saban chia pet too.
(Points to your record this year, whistles, walks away)
doesnt get much more mediocre than 0-1 and 6-6
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 2, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know I'd call what OSU did cheating.
They broke the rules, but this gave them no competitive advantage. Maybe I should shut up, no reason to start a debate on this now. But, I say they beat an SEC team in a bowl.
How Purdue got there, we shall never know
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
My t-shirt says they did, so there.
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I've got a t-shirt for the 1988 Oklahoma Sooners NCAA Basketball Champions.
So much for t-shirts.
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Sort of like how there was an alleged Minnesota Final Four in the last 20 years?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 2, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
[NAME REDACTED] beat Baylor in the Texas Bowl, didn't they?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 2, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I've got a DVR of the game that says they did
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I think the key word in the definition of vacate is "legally"
So yeah, LEGALLY they didn’t. Kinda like LEGALLY Joe Paterno did nothing wrong.
by WildBear Buckeye on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
How is your DVR not full?
Assuming it also has the rest of the Twilight Zone saved on there
that's not Twilight Zone
it’s the Twilight series
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by Graham Filler on Dec 2, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Minnesota and Indiana sitting pretty in the Rotel Bowl
Come on in, the nacho flavor is blazing. Waaay hotter than ketchup.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
by Marshmoose on Dec 1, 2011 5:19 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I am by no means an expert
And I keep reading conflicting stuff regarding Michigan and an at-large BCS bid. I know they have to get to 14 and are currently at 16, but what has to happen for Michigan to climb those two spots?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
1) They have to pass the loser of the B1G title game. This is all but certain if it’s Wisconsin, as they’re relatively close; if it’s Michigan State it’s likely but not certain (especially if it’s a close game).
2) They have to pass Georgia. A close loss makes it uncertain, as they’re just about even with MSU (and losing to LSU would hurt less than losing to Wisconsin in the polls and computers).
3) They have to hope Baylor doesn’t catch them; a win over Texas might well be enough (Baylor needs to move up the equivalent of one place on each ballot and computer).
4) If any of these don’t happen, they have to hope that K-State, Oklahoma, Oregon, or VT loses a horrifically ugly game and plummets. K-State losing to Iowa State would probably fall past; Oklahoma probably can’t; VT might just because their computer numbers are abysmal; Oregon probably wouldn’t but the fact that it’s against UCLA makes it possible.
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The Urban bowl?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 1, 2011 7:00 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
That bowl game could pay a lot of bail money!
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Purdue vs. Marshall
They may avoid that since we’re scheduled to play in the non-conference next season.
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Yes, but I don't think the conference is out to screw over Purdue.
I mean, they gave them a layup crossover game.
by Albino Tornado on Dec 2, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
My thoughts
1) No way the Alamo and Cotton Bowls take Kansas State over Texas if the Horns win this weekend. I wouldn’t even be terribly surprised if Baylor jumped them but we will see.
2) Florida State may opt for Orlando and a battle against Notre Dame rather than another trip to Atlanta. The may return to the Peach Bowl but I think they might see a game against the Irish as a good way to get the fan base exited and sell their ticket allotment. If the Peach has to reach that far down the ACC I wonder if they give up on Auburn and take a Florida-Clemson game.
3) My understanding is that the Ticket City is the last C-USA bowl to pick so unless I am wrong or they mess with their bowl selection order (which you noted is a distinct possibility) there will not be a team available. UCLA or Iowa State would be interesting options as at large teams for the Boilers.
4) I am curious and I bet you know more than I do about this, how does Boise being at 7 affect the BCS if Houston losses? I know the rule says “champion” but is there a way they get in either as an AQ or at large?
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If Houston losses TCU gets in
Well TCU gets in if it makes it to 16 (they are 18 now)… BCS rule is non-AQ conference champ above AQ conference champ (garenteed as the BE champ is going to be unranked) plus 16 or greater. If Houston losses, and TCU doesn’t get make it to 16 I think Boise has a fairly good chance to back in as an at large.
Baylor won't jump KSU.
If KSU beats Iowa State, they’ll be 10-2 and have beaten both Baylor and Texas. They get the third pick for the Big 12 at the worst.
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Records don't matter that much
Baylor is a possibility, not a certainty, but given how excited their fan base is about their season and how close they are to those games I don’t think it would be surprising to see them jump KSU who will bring a decent crowd but probably won’t help TV ratings.
I look at the Alamo Bowl, who has the unenviable task of taking the third Pac 12 team, and think they are probably going to want a Big 12 team that will drive TV ratings and ticket sales since the Pac 12 side of that is probably not going to do much. Baylor gives you a local, albeit smaller, fan base and a quarterback that has been in the Heisman race all season. Texas is Texas (if I recall correctly the 2006 contest featuring the Horns and Hawkeyes was one of the best attended in the game’s history).
Assuming the Cotton Bowl picks the Bedlam loser (pretty safe bet since it will either be Oklahoma or Oklahoma State and both would be huge for TV) then the Alamo is left to choose between Texas, Baylor, or KState.
I could see KSU possibly going to the Cotton if OkState loses (been there a few times recently and would be disapointed) or the Alamo if Texas loses but it wouldn’t surprise me to see Baylor to jump them for the Alamo and I would be very surprised to see them Oklahoma pass for the Cotton. My bet is they fall to the Insight.
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Baylor has no noticeable fanbase.
KSU does. They aren’t falling past the Alamo Bowl if they win this weekend.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Would comparing fanbases of KSU and Baylor be
equivalent of midgets comparing dick sizes? I mean, they both have them, but neither one is anything to write home about.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 1, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You should try actually learning about the Big 12.
KSU has a strong fanbase that travels well.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
This.
They’re not a big draw for TV audience, but KSU does have a large and active fan base. Ain’t much to do in Kansas other than football and watching the soybeans grow.
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I just wanted to use the midget dick joke
Because really, are dicks jokes ever inappropriate?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Baylor has a smaller fanbase than Northwestern.
KSU’s is comparable to that of a middle-tier Big Ten team.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
What do you consider "middle tier"?
Are you judging by success or school size?
I could see KSU traveling better than IU, Illinois, PU and Minny…NU has proven to travel well, which to me makes Kstate seem kind of bottom tierish.
I'm talking in terms of traveling fan base.
I would put KSU in the same realm as Iowa for that regard.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Really?
Sure seem to be a few empty seats at their last bowl appearance.
Knowing what I know about the Iowa fanbase (and specifically in NYC) they would have sold quite a few more tickets that the 3,200 Kstate managed.
Ah yes.
Because everyone travels to fucking NYC in the snow at a baseball field during a .500 season to watch their team play at a lower tier bowl game with no history behind me. Mea culpa. It’s completely unreasonable to believe that more people in Kansas would make the 12 hour trip to a warm destination like Texas than made the 22 hour trip to NYC in the winter.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
For the Insight Bowl, Iowa was originally allotted 11,000 tickets and sold 6,200.
KSU was allotted 2,300 and sold over 3,300. Look at the last time KSU went to a bowl game where the weather wasn’t shit and it wasn’t a 22 hour drive. They sold 10,800 tickets for the inaugural Texas Bowl in 2006.
But no, that’s a fanbase that clearly doesn’t travel.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
All that your stat shows is that people from KSU like to buy from the school.
If you think only 6,200 Iowa fans attended the Insight Bowl you’re out of your damn mind.
by The Mexican't on Dec 3, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I was using MSULaxer's fantastic logic.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Wait,
You don’t want to spend the day before New Year’s in the Bronx, when it’s freezing cold & windy, and everything in Manhattan is shut down bc it’s the week after Chirstmas?
When is Manhattan, shut down?
The real apple isn’t like the sticks man. It’s open 24/7 365. 366 during a leap year. If you can’t find something exciting and interesting or fun to do in NYC, it’s because you don’t want to.
by MSULaxer27 on Dec 2, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I suppose I should have added the "IMO"
I’ve been to NYC probably 40 times in my life, in all times of the year for all sorts of reasons, and I would say my least favorite time is between XMas & New Year’s, when everybody who lives there takes off; it’s just not the same. Though the dog days of August, when it’s hot, humid & smelly, are a close second.
Best time of year? I say right after Thanksgiving, when everybody is enjoying a few days off, the tree at Rockefeller Center has been lit, you can buy roasted chestnuts & almonds from the street vendors, etc.
So yeah it’s of course not closed, but compared to rest of the year, it’s not my prime time to go there. Agree with the others that if I’m going to a bowl game & I had my druthers, I prefer to spend New Year’s somewhere warm.
Boise can go as an at-large, whether Houston wins or not (though it's unlikely if Houston wins).
They cannot get an automatic bid unless they move up to top 4 and (if they aren’t #3) #3 is a conference champion.
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1) Hawaii Bowl has the last pick from C-USA this year. The league will fill the Ticket City slot.
2) FSU won’t get to choose its bowl, and the Chick-Fil-A chooses first. They may prefer Notre Dame, but that doesn’t mean it’ll happen.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 1, 2011 9:10 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
mistake
I said Hawaii bowl has last pick. It’s New Orleans Bowl that chooses last. Either way, the B1G will play C-USA in the Ticket City.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 1, 2011 9:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I hope Michigan covers better than they did on Saturday or Keenum will throw for a grand. I can't honestly believe UM is a BCS level team, but alas.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
I can’t honestly believe UM is a BCS level team
You have Jim Delaney & his schedule-making minions to thank for that.
I’m suprised they didn’t find a way to finagle the MSU game to be in AA this season, too. Though I suppose 8 of 12 games at home, plus no Wisconsin or PSU, is already generous enough.
Butthurt? That doesn't make sense
I’m assuming that by butthurt, you are referring to the past four Octobers.
BTW you know what is really nice this time of year? Lucas Oil Stadium. We’ll send you a postcard.
by MSUDersh on Dec 2, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm gonna laugh if MSU loses, and UM still doesn't get a BCS at-large bid
From the UM posters at OTE and MGoBlog, you’d think they’ve already got their bags packed
I'll laugh more if we win and they don't get a bid.
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I like our chances in these bowls
10-0 would make me so happy I’d explode.
I think anything less than 7-3 given these possible matchups would be a little disappointing.
I think 7-3 with a Rose Bowl win and 2-1 against the SEC is not only very possible, but would be fantastic for the conference’s image.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 AM CST reply actions
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