The Urban Meyer Effect
The Dude Abides. Or, depending on your perspective, he's climbin' in yo windows, snatchin' yo kids.
Urban F. Meyer has hit the ground running in the Great Recruiting Wars of 2011, and he is changing the way recruiting will be done in the B1G. I'm not going to go all dramatic and add the word 'forever' to the end of that previous sentence, but what he has done in just a couple of weeks is almost unfair.
And the wailing and lamentations of the other schools is getting to the point of hysteria...or hysterical. There is a lot of bitching and moaning about Meyer poaching recruits this, and having two coaching staffs that, and it's even coming from the likes of Michigan AD Dave Brandon.
And he's the last guy I expected to hear it from. Brandon? Michigan?
I know he wasn't the AD when Michigan hired Rich Rodriguez, but Rodriguez did the exact same thing when they were transitioning to him from Lloyd. Illinois has applied for, and will likely receive, the same exception that OSU received. And UCLA got a waiver, too.
And I eagerly await Mr. Brandon's sternly worded email to the Associated Press screaming to the heavens about the unfair advantage Illinois and Tim Beckman will now have on Michigan.
Maybe it's me, but this really comes off as sour grapes with a whiff of...not fear, but angst, maybe?
And that angst is getting amped up, as Meyer is starting to work his magic and lure big time recruits to Ohio State and away from other B1G schools. And for OSU fans, this is the biggest, and most exciting difference between Meyer and Jim Tressel, at least on the recruiting trail.
Tressel was a guy that let OSU and the school sell itself (must...not...take...cheap...shot), and never really put the hard sell on guys. This isn't to say he wasn't a good recruiter; on the contrary he brought in an incredible amount of talent and the on field results are a decade of excellence that Meyer will have a hard time living up to.
But Tressel's demeanor and attitude was more of 'you're not really interested in OSU? Well, okay. Good luck to you and just make sure you pick a school and a program that you really want to be at.'
Tressel's soft sell approach made it tough to close the deal on these last few guys, and it seemed as every signing day came and went, three or four top guys that OSU was on the short list for always seem to sign somewhere else.
Meyer is the exact opposite. He'll reach out to a guy that doesn't seem to have an interest in OSU and make him take an interest in OSU, through persistence if nothing else.
"HEY THIS IS URBAN MEYER AND IMMA COACHING AT OSU AND YOU REALLY WANNA COME TO OSU BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA USE THE SPREAD AND KICK ASS AND PLAY FIERCE DEFENSE AND IF YOU DON'T COME HERE WELL YOU ARE COMING HERE OKAY CAN I COME OVER RIGHT NOW AND GET YOU TO COMMIT HEY PUT YOUR MOM ON THE PHONE AND THEN LEMME TALK TO YOUR GRANDMA AND THEN YOUR DAD AND HEY IS YOUR LITTLE BROTHER AN OSU FAN I HEARD HE'S GOOD AND WE HAVE OUR EYE ON HIM TOO."
Meyer doesn't quit. Ever. Guys that had no or little interest in Ohio State are now interested. And he doesn't stop bugging them until they either sign with OSU or he loses out on signing day. He's as relentless as a sandstorm and won't quit until you're either a Buckeye or there is sand on everything.
Is it right? Eh, debatable. Every school poaches kids and every school gets a kid poached from time to time. Is it illegal? Nope. It's a coach's job to try and bring in the best talent available, and until somebody sign a Letter of Intent, it's not over. Is it something that's been going on in the B1G before Meyer got on scene? Yes, and let's not kid ourselves that it wasn't. Poaching of recruits happens a lot, and Meyer is one of the best in the business at it.
And that's why Dave Brandon sent an email to the AP, and why he won't send one over Tim Beckman. I don't think Brandon and Michigan are scared of Meyer raiding their class, but I do think that they realize giving Meyer a few weeks to do nothing but recruit means he had a very good chance to close the gap between them and Ohio State, and anything to slow that train down Brandon was going to try and do. And Meyer is doing just that.
And heck, I would've done the same thing had I been in the same spot. But his effort didn't work, and Meyer has been left alone with nothing but idle time and high school players to recruit. What Meyer is doing right now isn't going to affect Michigan's class this year, but moving forward Brady Hoke will have to work just as hard to keep a kid in the fold as opposed to just getting him in the fold.
And this is just the opening salvos in a series of pitched recruiting battles between Meyer and the rest of the conference, and in the long run, it's going to make the conference a lot stronger. Meyer is going to start an arms race, and with any race, other participants will be forced to adapt and keep up or fall off to the wayside and irrelevancy.
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Did you hear tOSU is renting the Cincinnati, Toledo, Kent, and Miami (OH) sports complexes on week-ends?
This way, Meyer can claim all 5 of a recruit’s official visits….
Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference
Meyer is an excellent recruiter, but he has serious flaws and blindspots.
I’m a Gator fan, for the record.
His biggest problems in recruiting, to me, are:
1) Star chasing. He’s a big believer in momentum with recruiting, and he loves nothing more than an avalanche of 4/5* guys all rolling in at once. It creates a buzz that he can then sell the remaining spots on. It works, but at Florida he often ended up with guys that really (IMO, here) didn’t do their due diligence on UF. I think that’s one of the main reasons we’ve had problems with transfers and keeping up the scholarship numbers (Meyer did not oversign at UF).
2) Recruits of questionable character. Normally I’m the last person to care about what touble a kid got into in HS (within reason), but when you’ve got to kick out a handful of players every year, it becomes a serious problem with depth. Not to mention the consistent negative headlines and everything else.
3) Speed obsession. Meyer loves fast guys. “So do I!”, you’re thinking. No, you don’t. Not like Meyer loves fast guys. There is nothing inherently wrong with a bunch of speed merchants on the roster, but when you end up with dozens of diminutive blazers, and basically no bruisers or anyone of physical significance…it can cause problems. Specifically, it causes problems with massive teams that want to pound you into submission. I’m basically talking about Alabama, here. This was such an issue, there are more than a few Gators who believe that one of, if not the main reason Meyer left UF was to escape the machine in Tuscaloosa. I don’t really buy that entirely, but there is some truth to it. His system broke down against Saban to a degree that no other defense could manage. Perhaps it’s silly to expect anything else against Saban, but it was extremely disconcerting to most Gators, and probably to Meyer himself.
The main reason UF struggled with Bama was our abject lack of size. All the speed in the world counts for nothing if you’re being physically manhandled for 60 minutes. Meyer’s reluctance to recruit playmakers other than the Percy Harvin mold was the main reason for this deficiency.
4) Lastly, his system requires a unique type of QB to truly work. Luckily for the Buckeyes, it appears that you have a QB already that more or less fills the Tebow/Cam Newton role. The problem is (as it was for Florida), what happens when he’s gone. Newton was supposed to take over for Tebow, but then…uhh…well, let’s just say it didn’t quite go according to plan. The biggest concern for the Buckeyes is that, although he was UF’s coach almost into the year 2011, the last blue chip QB Meyer recruited to UF was in 2007. That’s the reason why we were stuck throwing out a true freshman against LSU in Death Valley this season. There was the class with Brantley and Newton in 2007, and then nothing for the rest of his tenure.
I have no idea why or how that happened, but it should be something to watch out for in Columbus.
Oh, come on. Don't leave your uncle T-bag hangin'.
oh we're already familiar with the first three

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 14, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ahhhhhhhhh!

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by BuckeyeSki on Dec 14, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody please cue the
Jerry Kill it with Fire photoshop we’ve seen around these parts.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Ask and ye shall receive

"Believe in the system. For it shall bring light when there is dark, food when there is hunger, and shots when there are passes. This is the divine process." Yeo 4:18
by NorthernStar on Dec 14, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
Had the dreaded red x until I got home from work
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"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
That is the best article I have ever read on this site hands down.
I too think Urban Meyer will be great for the Big Ten conference. This will force schools in the Big Ten to adapt and improve recruiting tactics to keep pace with the CFB arms race. I also think it might help drive up the wages of assistant coaches (which is currently one advantage the SEC possesses over the Big Ten.
I think the long term keys for the conference will be continuing to adapt, and eventually working to have over signing banned entirely. Curbing those extra roster spots will help the Big Ten land more Southern recruits, which will become increasingly important given the south westerly shift of the population
GREEN'D
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
No. 3
I remember that God awful night at Gendale. The only time OSU ever went down and scored a TD other than the Ted Ginn KO, was when Ohio State ran goaline and 1 WR power I.
I still want power hogs on the O line and on the D line. They need to run the ball down Wisconsin’s throat and also have good powerful DTs to stem Wisconsin’s powerful run game.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Dec 14, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Great post, thanks for the insight
1) There’s something to be said about that momentum building, and it seems to be working. Yes, Pittman was going to go to OSU had Tatgate not happened, Dunn never de-committed, and Schutt is running from a dumpster fire, but 3 weeks ago Pittman was firm about MSU, OSU wasn’t on Schutt’s radar, and Dunn was all but gone to Michigan. Granted, it’s only 3 guys, but they all seem like good character kids.
2) But you’re right about the type of guys Meyer has targeted, and it’s a worrisome trend, to be sure.
3) I hope Meyer learned a bit from what happened his last couple seasons at UF, and since he is from Ohio, and grew up being a B1G guy, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows he needs to be able to play smashmouth football on both sides of the ball. Brionte’ Dunn, the RB that just re-affirmed with OSU yesterday, is a big back, along the lines of a Beanie Wells. It was thought he would be a better fit at Michigan because they are going back to a pro set, which is why they were trying to poach him. But Meyer convinced him to stay, so maybe he’s learned.
4) It seems very odd to me that Florida fans are bashing his recruiting and lack of blue chip guys when he brought in two number one overall classes (according to Scout), the last being in 2010. I don’t know Will Muschamp, but I do know Charlie Weiss, and I think that might be a lot of Florida’s problems in 2011.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Re: #4
He said blue-chip Qbs specifically, not blue-chippers in general.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 15, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
By God, he did
completely missed that before.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
So to summarize...
…you find the problem with Urban’s recruits is that:
1. They are too highly rated.
2. He kicks them off the team when they get into trouble.
4. They are too fast.
5. He needs a dual threat QB, not a pocket passer.
Can Glover adds this to the list of things Urban does right in recruiting?
Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference
Wait, what?
Recruits of questionable character.


Sour.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 14, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
How the fuck a baby break his arm??
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Hey Michigan and Brandon-
KARMA is a BITCH. Poaching recruits that are already committed to other B1G schools only opens the door for others to do it to you.
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
Except
They haven’t. They just got a kid to stay committed. And got a kid to follow his girlfriend. And got a kid from the tire fire that is the Penn State program. Apparently this is parade worthy.
Further affirming my belief this site is essentially Along The Olentangy Jr.
by JonSobel on Dec 14, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely the worst thing that could be said
about a site with 2 osu writers and 9 non-OSU writers
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by Graham Filler on Dec 14, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Plus
you don’t get your hands chopped off for use of the subject line
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
No way this is Olentangy Jr.
The writers allow subject lines and are in-touch with reality
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
not to mention this thing called a sense of humor
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 14, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!?!?
I think I passed my 6 month BANaversary at ATO already…
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
mocking their subject line embargo
while following it.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 15, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
You have been preemptively re-banned from Along The Olentangy.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
From what I can see
The only thing that is now Along the Olentangy is dried up riverbank – it seems like Eleven Warriors have come down & stolen all the water.
wooorrdddddddd
fuck ATO
now they’re going to un-ban me just to ban me ago. fascists.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
BSD should lift my lifetime ban
since it happened under the old regime’s watch
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
as long as you get banned again within the next 6 weeks i'm ok with it.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
This is just a low blow.
Further affirming my belief this site is essentially Along The Olentangy Jr.
Not to mention it’s obviously inaccuracy.
what do you mean?
/all your subject lines are belong to us’d
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
He was a Purdue commit
Until Hoke-A-mania swooped in. Was just saying it’s ironic anyone at Michigan would mention OSU poaching recruits. They do the same thing. Also, Don’t you remember the Snake Oil comments by Tiller?
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
by BoilerUpAT on Dec 14, 2011 5:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I barely remember this weekend
/vegas’d
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Poaching
I guess Bri’onte Dunn was a Michigan commit wearing a tOSU label before Meyer came along. Meyer did offer a real Michigan commit in his cousin Dymonte Thomas right afterwards, though.
Ugh
Ugh, Ted, shut up already. This isn’t an OSU fan site. No one wants to read this.
by Good Ol' Oakley on Dec 14, 2011 7:30 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
So we should be happy with no new content?
Write a fan post if you think there is something better to read.
"And the wailing and lamentations of the other schools is getting to the point of hysteria...or hysterical."
Awww somebody needs a diapey change?

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by BuckeyeSki on Dec 14, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't you have a FanPost
linking to an article on an unread blog to post?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
cold
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by Graham Filler on Dec 14, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, did they forfeit any games?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Don't think so.
The fact that this involved $55,000 and recruiting and nobody made a big deal of this is total hypocrisy! Where is the outrage? Where are the calls for their coaches firing and moral judgments of his character? Why is this not a huge deal?
First
ESPN and others did report about it. And South Carolina was proactive in investigating the allegations not, you know, having the coach learn about it and cover it up.
Plus, everyone always assumes things in South Carolina are crooked.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The same way they reported OSU and Miami?
I must have missed all the ESPN magazine articles, SI articles, Sportscenter updates, rampant speculation about how SC will receive the death penalty, or bowl bans, etc.
It’s exactly the same, you’re right.
It's not exactly the same
but I remember reading a number of articles about the South Cackalacky possible (at the time) violations. Just because you’re ignorant of the coverage, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Did it get the press that OSU did? No, but South Carolina doesn’t get 1/10th of the positive press that OSU does either. It’s what happens when you’re a flagship program for college football, you get more attention good or bad. OSU fans sure seem to love all the upside this brings but scream how unfair the world is the second there’s a downside.
Quit being so butthurt that your team got busted. Screaming “HEY, THIS OTHER PERSON DID SOMETHING WRONG TOO!!!!” doesn’t make you any less guilty.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Are OSU fans “butthurt” or are OSU fans reveling in the Meyer hire and posting too many stories on OSU here at OTE, I can’t tell…
It would seem to be both
you sure love the flood of positive stories, and attention, that have accompanied Meyer’s hiring has brought you; but you piss and whine that others aren’t being dragged over the coals like you feel you were.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Hypocrisy!
Espin had a note in the sidebar about the story. They did not have it on their ticker, front page, leading the broadcast, being debated by their people, call their program broken and lawless, cast moral judgements on Spurrier, etc. This story involved MUCH more money and moving parts, yet was ignored.
If self reporting violations is not proactive, i don’t know what is.
See above
quit being so butthurt that you get a lot more press, good or bad, than most other schools
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Butthurt must mean wanting fairness in reporting.
Just like disputing rumors with facts and not agreeing with others when they foolishly proclaim to know everything is being a troll.
Again. SC you know...reported it.
Not at all like OSU’s treatment of its “scandal”.
If you are familiar at all with Watergate it was not so much the stupid, ineffective crime that disturbed everyone, but the cover up.
OSU reported it 9 months after Tressel covered it up
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Will you ever learn?
Did SC report these violations themselves? NO they didn’t! Once again, in your haste to condemn tOSU, you fail to due the research to find out the facts. I guess the truth doesn’t suit your statements.
From CFT:
South Carolina’s total amount of impermissible benefits from the Whitney Hotel are roughly $47,000. Again, that’s a loss in six scholarships. For $47,000. Boise State received a loss of nine scholarships over the course of three years for impermissible benefits — or, sleeping on the floor of some bro’s apartment, as we like to call it — totaling less than $5,000, and Ohio State received a loss of five scholarships over three years for impermissible benefits to players totaling less than $1,000.
Just so we’re clear.
by rogerja on Dec 15, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So what your saying is
OSU is going to have the best recruiting classes in the BIG on a pretty consistent basis and that BIG schools are going to battle for some of the same players.
groundbreaking developments here.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 14, 2011 8:12 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
FTFY:
OSU is going to have the best recruiting classes in the BIG on a pretty consistent basis and that BIG schools are going to battle for some of the same players. their table scraps
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 14, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Urban Renewal
I know I can be far too diplomatic sometimes, but I think we should celebrate the concept of Ted’s article. Ted’s excited, why get mad at that? He’s got a brand new coach and a new philosophy on recruiting and a new spread formation. That’s going to be exciting to see. It’s a long offseason and Luke Fickell Mania wasn’t going to sustain us.
This isn’t an OSU site (thank God) and I think what we try to do here is give you a look at the feeling of each school towards there football program. Sometimes we overlap, sometimes we don’t. Ted’s piece does a couple of things: 1) Shows you what you’re going to be dealing with in c-bus for awhile, or until Urban leaves in 2015, 2) makes you hate OSU even more deeply (is that a bad thing??). So I think it’s a fun piece.
And please don’t call us ATO Jr. I’d rather you kick me in the balls and steal my car.
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I agree
And this coming from someone who thought the weekly Nebraska-praising articles were excessive. That said, I think it’s a bit excessive that currently the top two stories/articles on the main page are simply different-length versions of the same thing.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
When there was scandal at tOSU no one complained!
Then everybody loved having multiple articles.
by biggy84 on Dec 14, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Go to the archives and look.
Thousands of comments and a voracious public wanting to hear more and more while believing every little rumor.
And yet
six months later, you’re usually the first to bring it up or turn every thread into an OSU allegations discussion
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Let’s not forget that Schutt was originally an OSU commit. Urban getting him away from his PSU "commitment" wasn’t so much stealing as it was getting him to recommit to OSU. Kid bailed on OSU, presumably, because of Tatgate. Then you will recall he immediately pledged allegiance to the Domers. Then again he waivered and wanted to be a Nittany Lion until the Sandusky situation exploded everything. And now he’s back to square one at Ohio State. Getting this kid back isn’t exactly a coup.
Now if Camren Williams decommits from PSU for Urbz, that is a legitimate steal, with a healthy dose of stupidity from PSU to boot. The kid loves him some PSU but the school fired the head coach, the rest of the staff is in jeopardy, and there isn’t even a whiff of who the next guy might be and when he’ll be hired. Prime time for other coaches to do some thieving.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Serious question
What’s the minimum expectation for Urban Meyer next year before obnoxious OSU fans want him fired? If he doesn’t turn out to be god, but just a football coach trying to get a team back on track, will the OSU fanbase be satisfied or forgiving?
If Ohio State goes 7-5 or 8-4 next season, is that acceptable for a recovery year? If you still haven’t appeared in Indianapolis in three years, do you fire Urban Meyer?
I’m not saying it’s likely— he’s a great coach— but I think there’s a real chance that Urban Meyer’s Great Return could fizzle, even with good recruiting. It’s not like the other coaches in the conference are idiots. They’re going to step up their games.
Personally
9 or 10 wins, and if not actually in the CCG, at least being in the run for it come the end of November, would be fine by me. The team will still be young, and learning a new system, and anyone who is seriously expecting a MNC in the first year, doesn’t know football at all
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
based on our schedule next year
even luke fickell & friends could get us to 8-4, so any less than that will present serious questions, but expecting 10-2 seems unrealistic. the only way the (rational) fans will be upset with 10-2 or 9-3 next season is if we’re rolling towards a possible division title then the losses all come at the end of the season, or if we don’t show up against michigan. and i think three years is fair to see us in indy, and questions will come up if we’re not, but barring a string of 8-4 or 7-5 seasons there’s no way meyer gets fired* before 5 years.
*also barring Tatgate II
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
So
8-4 and an appearance in Indy within three years is the floor. That strikes me as reasonable. But love letters like Ted’s up there make me worry that most OSU fans belong more to the irrational camp than the rational one.
I mean, I’m seriously worried about you guys (in a concern troll sort of way) if you lose one of your non-conference games next fall, as happens early in many coaches’ tenures. Definite potential for an internet meltdown.
No, I'm not expecting national championships every year
That’s silly. every other year is acceptable.
I KID, I KID.
Seriously, they have 8 home games, and road games at MSU, PSU, and Wisconsin. I think two of those are winnable games as we look at it today, because MSU and Wisky are both losing a lot of talent. They’ll still be good, and they’ll be tough games, but they’re winnable. PSU Will be tough, depending on how The Aftermath goes. Toughest home game is Nebraska, and toughest non-con game is Cal, at home. The rest of the non-con is Miami (OH), UAB, and UCF. Good teams, but very winnable games.
8-4 would be a minor disappointment for me next year, but 9-3 wouldn’t, as long as they show consistency and an ability to adapt to the system that Meyer brings in, and then a serious contender for Indianapolis in 2013 and beyond.
Of course, if the NCAA brings the scholarship banhammer down, then we have to readjust accordingly.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I can't wait for the MSU fans
to bitch and moan about you having 8 home games next year. This obviously invalidates any success you might have.
What do you mean they only fixate on Michigan?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I think 8 home games is lame
I mean, I know why schools do it. Football revenue helps keep non-revenue sports afloat, and for big schools like OSU and Michigan, it’s a lot of money. But still, it’s kind of bogus to get 8 home games.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
it is ok we have seven home games and one at central Michigan.
I always believe in this. The commissioner knows that the biggest cash cow programs for the conf are tOSU and scUM. No matter what others do (including go 12-0), they will never attain the status of OSU and UM. It is simple. They are too big to fail. They are worth more $$$ in terms of TV ratings and contract negotiations for TV.
Look at Texas. ESPN desperately wants UT to do well. For cryin out loud, they are investors in that TV network.
by spartynation on Dec 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, in the case of the Longhorn Network
ESPN isn’t only an investor, it’s the owner. It was an incredibly sweet deal for Texas, and an incredibly stupid one for ESPN.
Seven home games have become the norm and requirement of most of the BCS-level schools. It will be very interesting to see what happens to traditional out-of-conference rivalries like ND-MSU/Purdue when the conference goes to 9 games.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
The obvious solution is to drop one game with an FCS school.
But that would mean one less (usually) easy home win.
by Midnight Rambler on Dec 14, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand why
FCS wins count for win totals in BCS calculations & for getting bowl eligible. Seems to me that it should be like hoops, where D-2 wins don’t count in RPI or for making the tourney.
I would much rather see all FBS schools, my alma mater included, playing only other FBS schools.
I honestly would like to see some sort of penalty for playing I-AA's.
If that means that you can’t count a I-AA win in your total to become bowl eligible, so be it.
If that means a loss to a I-AA school counts twice, even better.
The 6 win mark was based on an 11 game season. You had to have a winning record (6-5) to go to a bowl.
Since teams now play 12 games we should reinstate the winning record requirement and make bowl eligibility 7 wins.
I'm with you Laxer
And think that the minimum standard should be a winning (not just .500) record, not including FBS wins. But if that was the case, how many .50 teams that are in a bowl this season wouldn’t be? I can think of two B1G teams off the top of my head (Illini & tOSU), plus of course the Gators & UCLA.
Also, if you don’t count the FBS win, AND had to get to 7, there would be even less bowl eligible teams!!
Perhaps there are just too many bowls . . .
You forgot Purdue.
Never forget Purdue!
I would stand behind the statement that there are too many bowl games.
Does anyone need to go to Birmingham, AL in January to watch a game at a stadium that is crumbling, in a bad neighborhood?
Actually
I’m pretty sure the 6 game minimum has always been there, when the corresponding ratio would have been 6/8-10*, so a team now would need either 7 or 8 wins to keep it fair.
*I’m not entirely sure if the number of games was standardized in CFB at that time, and going through the Stassen database, it would appear it wasn’t. I may be wrong on that though.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 15, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Schadenfreude potential
I thought I got my fill with the whole RRod episode at Michigan, but the Buckeye meltdown potential is so high, here, I’m giddy with the possibilities. I’m not saying that the Buckeyes are going to do worse than 8-4, but I could definitely see scenarios under which that will happen, and the “two of those games are winnable” comment tied to three pretty good programs in the B1G just makes me chuckle at the arrogance. Besides, Ohio State needs to play Purdue every year, so it’s like starting 0-1 every season.
You don't think those games are winnable?
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Technically, every game is winnable...
But this is an OSU squad that just went 6-6, and those are three programs with 9-10 wins. Sure, PSU’s coaching situation will create uncertainty, Urban was a good hire, and there are a couple of skill position players that will be lost at Wiscy and MSU. Still, I don’t see how a mediocre team with basically the same personnel goes from “meh” to “sure win” just because Meyer came on board. It’s not like this was a Brady Hoke quality hire (I keeed, I keeed). And let me tell you, a 6-6 or worse Urban Meyer team would be glorious schadenfreude for the rest of us.
Well ...
It went from 11-1 to 6-6 with some heavy personnel losses, scandal and a coaching change. Even then, OSU beat WI, lost to MSU by 3 and PSU by 6. WI and MSU are facing major personnel losses and PSU has their own scandal and coaching change to deal with. With a future hall of fame head coach, an experienced starting QB and a veteran D returning a lot of starters, why shouldn’t OSU expect to be competitive with those same teams next year?
He is a talented athlete. He improved and was better than Bauserschwanz to be sure.
experienced starting QB
While he has “experience” at QB…I’m not sure I would hang my games fortunes on him just yet.
He made just as many mistakes as “OMG” plays last season.
Ehh, he didn't turn the ball over. His mistakes were not throwing the ball away.
I’m not saying he’s perfect, but he never made those patented TP-throw-into-triple-coverage-throws that made you scream at the field.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
I'm not saying he's the second coming of Tebow
But having a QB with a year of experience is a lot better than starting a true freshman (or Joe Bauserman). Mix in a stable of running backs, and the offense should be better (not great, but better). The D will be better, too. Considering they played those three teams close this year, why wouldn’t they expect to play them close next year?
Even if MSU and Wisconsin weren't going through heavy roster turnover, they would still be winnable games for OSU.
Hell, those games were “winnable” last year when they lost to MSU by 3 and beat Wiscy. I think OSU, with a new head coach, significantly more experienced QB, WRs and defense, will not be the “same” as this year’s 6-6 outfit. I’m not saying they are even B1G championship material, but they certainly can win against MSU and Wiscy next year.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Not sure how looking at
PSU, MSU, and Wisconsin, all of who will be dealing with a lot of new personnel or seismic change in terms of coaching staffs and say they are winnable home games is arrogant, but whatever.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
to be fair
all three are on the road. that’s about as much credit as i can give though
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 14, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
We are replacing Cousins, Cunningham and Martin. Some of the best in our schools history.
But we bring back the majority of our defense and our OL. In addition we have a running back (Bell) whose career stat progression looks eerily similar to UW’s Ball.
I can think of worse things for a new starting QB to have to do than hand the ball off to a stud RB behind an experienced line.
Hell, OSU won a game this year with 4 completed passes.
If 5 yards per carry (17 for 85) and 2 TD's (1 rushing/1 receiving) is "shut down"
Then yeah. OK.
by MSULaxer27 on Dec 14, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
40 of those yards
came from one rush play late in the 4th qtr two scores down and the defense in their dime package.
Take that out, Ball’s avg was 2.8.
In the 1st half, he had around 15 yards rushing.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Dec 15, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
You really can't play that,
“If such & such a play didn’t happen, look at his stats” game, it’s completely misleading. Why not just take out any negative or zero yardage plays, then say, “OMG look how much better he did when you take those plays out!!”
Seriously – if it wasn’t for the two TDs he scored, he wouldn’t have had any TDs that day. And if grandma had balls, she would be grandpa.
by MSUDersh on Dec 15, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
one completed pass.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Haha, it happens.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
What does OSU lose from this years squad?
You guys bring back basically the whole defense right?
It’s probably already done here at OTE, but I’d definitely like to see a post that details how many starters each team is losing.
I think Sweat is gone, right?
outside of that…. intact?
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
And he applied for a medical redshirt
I think his odds of getting another year of eligibility are long, though.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
how bout he takes one of Strom Klein's years
and we keep Sweat instead>?
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Hankins
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 15, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Give me Shazier, Grant and Crowell and let's call it a day.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Expectations should be quite high
tOSU may be young, but with Braxton they already have the most important piece for Meyer’s offense. If they’re not a contender to get to the B1G title game next year, I think it will be quite the failure of a first season.
If Karma has any sway....
…one of those poached recruits will bring a screaming case of herpes to Columbus and infect everybody in the football building.
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by Spartan D on Dec 14, 2011 9:11 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Just infect Jim Bollman before he leaves.
Joe Bauserman too.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Dec 14, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
What was the point of this?
I ask with all due respect. If this isn’t just another “OHIO STATE WEEEEEE!!!” post, was there another point to the post?
Almost every article I've read regarding Meyer to OSU
describes him as ‘rock star’ personality. His hiring is a huge deal, and it would’ve been had he been hired by any school in the B1G. I would like to think I could’ve written an article like this about him regardless of what school hired him.
Yeah, I’m an OSU guy, so I’m sure there’s a little more ‘wheeee!!!’’ (as you call it), to this article than there probably should be. Guilty as charged, but I’m not apologizing for being happy that OSU made a great hire.
And the fact remains that the way Meyer recruits is different than anything that we’ve seen in this conference in a long time, maybe ever, and it could very well be the catalyst that changes the face of the B1G. I’m not saying he has changed the conference, but that he could. Other teams are going to be forced to keep up with the frenetic pace that he sets, or they’re going to get left in the dust.
A lot of people were more than happy to see OSU get their comeuppance this past season, and I can say that when the shoe was on Michigan’s foot, I felt the same way towards them that you guys do towards OSU. Hey, it’s college football, we all love to see the big kid on the block get their teeth kicked in every now and then. It’s good for the soul.
And I’m not saying this, for the most part, about the good folks and commenters here on OTE, but there was almost a bit of glee attached to A LOT of sports broadcasters, writers, and friends of mine that were almost praying for OSU to get the death penalty, or at minimum a 5 year bowl ban and NO SCHOLARSHIPS EVER AGAIN RAWR kind of punishment.
And since it looks like OSU fell into a barrel full of tattooed dicks and came out with a 34D big nipple tit in their mouth, yeah, I’m pretty happy about it.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 14, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
thank you Ted
you just killed me with that mental image
Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
by Graham Filler on Dec 14, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
It's what I live for
:)
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
O_o`
And since it looks like OSU fell into a barrel full of tattooed dicks and came out with a 34D big nipple tit in their mouth, yeah, I’m pretty happy about it
by Revenge of the Fallen on Dec 14, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Other teams are going to be forced to keep up with the frenetic pace that he sets, or they’re going to get left in the dust.
I’ll be interested to see if he can maintain that kind of pace without having more medical issues, forcing another retirement.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
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-If this was a post about him being hired it’s a waste of space. There havealready been numerous posts about that. Some made by you.
-The way Meyer recruits isn’t that unique to the Big Ten either. It may be unique to Ohio State, but, hell, Tim Brewster and Ron Zook had the same unrelenting showman type approach at Minnesota and Illinois (which they took from other helmet schools) There are obviously HUUUUUUUGE differences between Meyer, Zook and Brewster (and I’m sure I’ll get slammed for making any comparison), but I think it’s a bit naive to imply that before Urban recruiting in the Big Ten was akin to a country club atmosphere.
-Also, Ohio State has always had a massive recruiting advantage over the rest of the Big Ten sans, maybe, Michigan, so is this really anything new? Ohio State, on any other year where there wasn’t a massive scandal, wouldn’t have lost a guy like Se’Von Pittman to Michigan State in the first place.
-I think the last part of your reply is the only true and honest part. OSU fans are peeved that they were humbled for 30 seconds and can’t wait to waive their relcaim arrogance around at everyone, Buckeyes-style, in some narcissistic sense of retribution. If there’s a place for that, I don’t think it’s here.
by Gophermike on Dec 14, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
And I don't think you can pin "sour grapes" on my complaint
because I like the Gophers, and OSU is going to continually demolish us no matter who the coach is.
You forgot
to put THEE in front of Ohio State
/humbled arrogance
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
Well...
I have a bit of a problem with OSU being caught cheating, red handed, then skipping away as though nothing happened. It’s indicative of a broken system.
I have a bit of a problem with OSU PSU being caught cheating raping boys, red handed, then skipping away as though nothing happened. It’s indicative of a broken system.
by rogerja on Dec 14, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
They vacated an entire season, lost scholarships and fired the school's best head coach in like 40 years.
Just because you wanted them to get death penalized because some players sold trinkets (they were rightfully suspended for half the season) and the coach lied to cover it up (he was fired) doesn’t mean it’s deserved. Prove they cheated for longer than just the 2010 season, if all you have is speculation and a bogus SI article, then I’m afraid you don’t have much.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
by Jon Ross on Dec 14, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Fuck. Him.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Lost scholarships?
Five scholarships over three years? Yes, you’re right, you’ve certainly vindicated yourself after a decade of cheating. That’ll teach the administration not to mess with the NCAA! Sold trinkets, indeed…have you seen the picture of Pryor with his sweet ride? Where do you think he got that? From selling baubles on street corners? How ignorant can you possibly be?
Oh, and as for your last point, aren’t you forgetting Maurice Clarett? Just because you have your head in the sand doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t. Unfortunately, the NCAA is as corrupt as OSU’s athletic department, and you’re going to get off without a penalty. It doesn’t mean you don’t deserve one, it just means college football is as filthy as your heroes are.
Someone needs to tell Billy Jean King here to stop cryin' in the breastmilk

You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 15, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Lol.
Show me this decade of cheating, I’ll wait…
And you mean this picture?
Of him at prom? I drove our family friend’s MG to prom, but I guess it’s unreasonable to assume a kid could get a cool car from someone for prom, you know like every other kid does?
Besides, remember the whole “cars for free” thing? This happened. And I’m glad you brought up Maurice Clarett, remember him? The one who was suspended for a season by OSU and basically kicked off the team when his scandal erupted? Punishment? One incident with one player in 2002 and one incident with six players in 2010 is far from a decade of cheating.
I think it’s much more reasonable to conclude that OSU’s exploits weren’t as bad as everyone first thought than it is to conclude the NCAA is a corrupt organization whose sole goal is to assure that Ohio Freaking State is able to get away with rampant cheating. Go ahead, read that sentence again, because it’s just as stupid the second time.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
by Jon Ross on Dec 15, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Wait, Ohio State fired Earle Bruce AGAIN?!
Why did nobody tell me?!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Win 7 straight B1G titles or whatever...
and potentially have used ineligible players to do so…
No. I can’t understand why anyone might be miffed by that.
How many times in a row have you beaten tsun?
You should be enjoying your success (from a Tressel disciple) instead of hating others.
by biggy84 on Dec 14, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
What?
What does MSU’s head to head record against OSU have anything to do with the fact that OSU used ineligible players for certain in 2010? That they cheated to win. We’re not exactly sure if they have in years past as well…that is conjecture at this point.
Yes the tried and true argument. If you don’t believe exactly what I believe then you must be a hater.
I was pointing out why people might want to see OSU get its “comeuppance” as Ted so delicately put it.
by MSULaxer27 on Dec 15, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So you've never got changed from:
This:

To This:

In an hour’s time?
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 15, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
If by criminals, you mean "people who have been charged with and convicted of crimes and served their sentences.".
Then yes, MSU has played “criminals.” MSU is not unique in this.
Did you or anyone you know every get an MIP (minor in possession) while attending college. What. Oops you’re a criminal or associate of criminals.
18-22yr old kids do dumb things. Especially undereducated athletes who have been pampered most of their lives.
If a player pays any sort of criminal penalty (fines, CS or jail time) does that mean that they should never be allowed to play sports on the collegiate level again? Ever?
Some people respond to punishment and are rehabilitated. If a player has been rehabilitated is that enough?
And yet selling your own things is worse?
Crime deserves a second chance, violating a ncaa rule deserves death….i get it now.
Didn't say that either.
If you’re ineligible due to an NCAA rules violation…you can get your eligibility back after you serve whatever punishment the NCAA deems fit.
Kind of like if you’re ineligible due to a criminal violation you can get your eligibility back after you serve whatever punishment the judge deems fit.
In bot instances your University administration can determine whether or not you “deserve” another chance to play for them based on your infractions.
Not to my knowledge.
Keep in mind though, probation doesn’t preclude you from doing a lot of things…like your job for example or attending school. A lot of people are on probation all around you.
Why is crime ok when it's Maurice Clarett?
You’re comparing a college student getting in a fight with an entire administration neck deep in outright cheating. I know you were undoubtedly a saint while you were in college, but even you must see some sort of distinction here.
It's not the crime
It’s the coverup. Don’t let others distract the point – what the MSU players did in the dorm fight is (IMO) worse than what the OSU players did selling their merchandise.
But how the OSU administration reacted is significantly worse than how MSU’s reacted. And that’s what is important – not stupid things individuals players did, but how those who run the school reacted.
The biggest problem we all have with tOSU
and I’m certain you are aware of this, is not the crime the players committed, but the manner in which the institution chose to handle the aftermath. I know this, the other B1G posters on here know this, and Biggy84, you certainly know this, too.
MSU immediately suspended players involved in the dorm fight, though the school & team easily could have minimized what happened, swept things under the rug, cried for “Due Process,” and employed other tactics to make sure those guys were on the field for the bowl game. But it didn’t, rather, MSU manned up & punished those believed to be involved.
tOSU, on the other hand, followed it’s coach’s lead. The coach hid his knowledge from the school & NCAA, then subsequently lied about it, first indirectly (by signing off that he knew of no violations by players), then directly.
When the news started to leak, the school, led by AD Gene Smith, did everything in it’s power to cover up what it knew & when it knew it, going so far as to call a press conference & issue a statement that it had investigated & concluded no wrongdoing. The only thing that was missing was Gene Smith calling a presser on the USS Columbus wearing a bomber jacket & standing in front of a “Mission Accomplished” banner.
Only when the national press started learning more about this story did tOSU man up & consider appropriate punishment, and even then, it advocated a future suspension of the players, keeping the coach, and playing in a bowl game that it was not eligible for!!!!
When faced with difficult times, people & institutions show their “true colors.” MSU did so indefinitely suspending people whose names were associated with the fight first, then investigated. tOSU fought, made excuses, and hid evidence in order to protect its players and coaches.
There is no comparison.
Let's ease off on the Saint MSU act just a bit
14 or so MSU players went into a dorm multiple days after the argument that precipitated all if it occurred. That is as clear-cut a “premeditated” as you’re ever going to get; the MSU administration could do no less given the resulting public fallout. They are to be commended for doing the right thing, but let’s stop trying to paint this as a profile in courage on the part of Dantonio and the administration.
OSU is still getting off easy, though
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 15, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right but look at the first sentence I typed
It’s not the act that upsets people, it’s the institution’s reaction to it.
You can try to deflect the argument back to, “Well what the MSU guys did is worse than what the OSU guys did” all you want – there is validity to that point. FB players kicking the crap out of some frat boys is worse than selling your jockstrap or whatever. Nobody is saying otherwise.
What people are saying, and the point here, and this point is indisputable, is that the institution at tOSU, starting with the head coach, up to the AD & president, made every effort to lie about, hide, and minimize what was done.
Had Tressel come clean in the spring when he first learned about this, I expect the punishment would have been much lighter than 5 games (the following season, which is a joke to delay the punishment). However, he lied & hid what he knew, then when it started to go public, so did his boss & his bosses boss.
And, Tressel, the AD & president openly advocated to keep ineligible players on the field for a bowl game, for of all reasons, the “integrity of the game.” Come the F on, that’s an insult to sports fans, as well as other B1G football players everywhere.
Like I said, try to distract from the primary issue all you want, but at the end of the day, tOSU lied & cheated from the top down, while MSU’s admin “shot first & asked questions later” (as in, punished players BEFORE starting an investigation).
Except they didn't.
“Like I said, try to distract from the primary issue all you want, but at the end of the day, tOSU lied & cheated from the top down”
You must mean the administration that did not know about the info until AFTER the bowl game right? Of course you realize that the university notified the ncaa months before the media reported it right? You do know that this was ALL self reported right? You do know that the ncaa and every swinging dick with a pen ascended on Columbus and investigated the entire program and found what you say to be false right?
So if all of this was self-reported MONTHS before the media reported it
And the media was reporting it during the time between the final game of the season and the bowl game -
Why on earth were these players allowed to participate at all during the 2010 season? The administration KNEW they were ineligible, yet all five were on the field.
Again, when MSU learned about what it’s players did, it immediately suspended them.
Why did it take so long for tOSU to hand out any kind of punishment??
One more thought
I’m confused on your timeline – you say, the university notified the NCAA months before the media reported this. We know when the media reported this – after the U0M game, and before the Sugar Bowl. But one sentence prior, you said the administration didn’t know about this until after the bowl game.
Which is it?
Timeline
Up until Jan ?, 2011, tOSU did not know that Tressel had previous info on the violations. Prior to that, they were under the assumption that there was no previous knowledge. They reported it to the NCAA at that time. March 8 yahoo “broke” the story that Tressel knew and covered up. That info had already been reported to the NCAA 2 months before. This was not a case of the media forcing the hand of tOSU to report it at all.
The bowl game is something i cannot speak to. The RUMORS were that the NCAA did not want a watered down bowl game missing the best players. I can absolutely see where people find them playing to be wrong. I can guarantee you that those players have been more than punished for their transgressions.
How about instead of equivocation:
I can absolutely see where people find them playing to be wrong.
Try this:
Playing ineligible players was wrong.
They weren’t ineligible according to the NCAA. The NCAA made their decision before the bowl game. This case was closed before the bowl game. They learned of Tressel having prior knowledge after the bowl game. There are two different cases here.
Well then take pride that
your alma mater chooses to look the other way when presented with hard evidence that it’s players violated their agreements, that it neglected to punish those players on its own when it had the chance, and that it pleaded with the NCAA to allow players that had absolutely no reason to be in the Sugar Bowl to play.
You must be very proud of tOSU’s integrity. Well done.
So did Delaney and the Sugar Bowl
Don’t be mad at OSU becasue they got an out to play, be mad at the NCAA.
if tOSU had manned up & punished them on its own
you know, like it’s obligated to do as an NCAA member, then it never would have made it to Delaney, much less the NCAA.
I am mad at tOSU, because it had a number of opportunities to do “the right thing,” and instead, only worried about protecting itself and its football reputation.
since they were allowed to play by the NCAA it wasn't unreasnoable to ask
Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time OSU, the Big 10, the Sugar Bowl, and the TV network were operating on the assumptino they were eligible.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game…
It absolutely backfired
As much as Americans don’t like seeing people break the rules (and that’s more along the lines of to gain an advantage, people don’t care all that much about college kids selling their jerseys), people really hate being lied to – its insulting.
As with most lies & cover ups, once this was exposed, the lying & cover up did far more long term damage than the initial infraction.
Like you & I both said earlier, had Tress brought this to light initially, he would be working at tOSU, the players would have missed a few non-con games, and everybody would have forgotten about this by now.
Bull Shit.
Smith and Tress suspended them from the Bowl game. NCAA reinstated them for the bowl game and suspended them for 5 games next season.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Dec 15, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to wrap my head around this.
It is OK that they played because their head coach, who was aware they committed violations that would make them ineligible, lied to either the NCAA or his supervisors or both, so that the NCAA wouldn’t make them ineligible for the bowl game, but then after the bowl game that they should have been ineligible for, their head coach was caught in his lie makes it somehow OK ineligible players played in a game that they were ineligible for.
Did I get this correct?
Almost
Except, the school knew that Tressel covered it up before the bowl game.
Meaning Tress should have been disciplined immediately. The players – they should have been disciplined in the offseason (when Tress first learned about this), missed a game or two to start the season, and their status for the bowl should never even have been an issue.
You are wrong.
Read the NCAA notice. Tressel lied in December and said he had no knowledge. He didn’t confirm that he had knowledge until February.
Perfect world, Tressel turns over the information in April, 2009 and the players get 4 games.
Tressel is literally proven to be a liar
So why believe his confirmation of knowledge, as opposed to the emails that were leaked that confirmed what we all now know?
E-mails leaked?
You mean the ones that tOSU turned over to the ncaa in january? The ones that tOSU made public? You mean the ones that they could have very easily have destroyed and no one would have known?
While I know to not believe everything I read in the news
And CERTAINLY not everything I hear from ESPN (I’m convinced ESPN’s motto is, “The news is what we make”), all I did was google, “Ohio State Players Suspension”, and the first result that popped up is this ESPN article from Boxing Day 2010 .
Got to love this
An Ohio State slappy says “keep believing everything you read without regard to facts”, then three posts later, another OSU slappy says “MSU played criminals”. Even as “criminal” is loosely defined as “someone who may have been accused of anything from public urination to smoking weed”, I challenge you to throw out some names of these alleged “criminals”. Otherwise, this is just slander. I could claim that Ohio State played Adolf Hitler, and it would have just as much credibility as your claim.
I’m tired of your delusion. You make Michigan fans seem reasonable by comparison. Your team blatantly cheated for at least a decade, and you somehow think that’s ok because a couple football players at another school got in a fight three years ago, most of whom were suspended or outright thrown off the team as a result.
Delusional boy...
Cheated for a decade? Prove it! Don’t speak on what you don’t know.
The Hitler comparison shows your intellect.
by biggy84 on Dec 15, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Only biggy knows of what biggy knows and therefore he is the only one who can speak on what you don't know because only biggy knows what biggy knows.
by MSULaxer27 on Dec 15, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You've got a time machine, I've got a gun...
What the hell. Let’s Kill Hitler.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Keep this up and we will take your coach back.
How about some gratitude? Your coach is a product of the very same man you claim to be so terrible. Your team has a TRESSEL on your staff right now. A thank you card would have been nice.
by biggy84 on Dec 15, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Of all the ridiculously idiotic and non-sensical things you've said,
and the list is long and distinguished, this Dantonio is a Tressel meme you’re pushing might be the most over the top. Congratulations?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 15, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Example of idiotic...
tOSU if screwed and you are delusional if you believe different. Sound familiar?
by biggy84 on Dec 15, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Take our coach back???
He coached at MSU long before coaching at tOSU, and in both his stint at MSU as an assitant, and in his current role as HC, had longer tenures than his stint while at tOSU.
Implying that Dantonio is a tOSU product is just blatantly incorrect
So I guess I’m glad to hear that you are aware of that, too.
Hell, if anybody are tOSU products, you could say Bo (his first coaching job of any kind was at tOSU) and Gary Moeller (he played there).
Now THAT’s funny – in a tragicom sort of a way.
Except...
Dantonio was raised in Ohio, got his first job from Jim Tressel, coached under Glen Mason (tOSU alum), worked again for Tressel, considers him to be his great friend, and employs Tressel’s son on his staff.
OK so he's from the Tressel tree
And yeah, Tressel’s highest profile gig, and what he’ll be remembered for, is his time at tOSU, so I suppose you could call him a Buckeye.
But I think this is just a matter of where our POVs come from – from where I sit (well where I sat in the late 90’s), he’s a Spartan byproduct of Tressel. From where you sit, he’s a Buck transplanted to East Lansing.
I actually like MSU and Coach Dantonio
I will never forget who was DC of the national championship team in ’02. We certainly share a strong distaste for that school up north as well. While my original statement was a joke and dickish, i was truly kidding.
Nepotism is nepotism I suppose.
It might be a bit different if it’s your uncle who helps you land the job as opposed to your father.
One insinuates a closer connection.
Guys, quit bickering....
Spartans and Buckeyes should not argue, but unite in our desire to fornicate Michigan violently and without respect.
Paul -
Go Sparty! Go Bucks!
Romancing the Urban.
As a B1G guy now living in Florida who married into season tix at The Swamp, I can tell you that OSU got one helluva coach/recruiter who is a little crazy and sees the "good" in every kid he recruits. (Read: willing to forgive past sins based upon a good 40 time.) Victories go up when Urban comes to town, so do arrests. If you’re willing to make that trade, he’s your guy. Not judging, just saying.
He’s kind of like the really crazy girl that you date for a few months because she is soooo hot. She bursts in and causes a lot of excitement. You’re the envy of other guys because she with you, but only you know the constant headaches that she brings. You put up with the headaches because you can’t argue with the fact that she looks far better than any girl you’ve ever been seen with and you’re buddies would question your sanity if you dumped her. Then she leaves as quickly as she came, leaving you with feelings of both "how could she do that to me" and "thank god she’s gone".
And make no mistake, Urban will leave as quickly as he came.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Dec 14, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions
you know we love dating analogies here
But he won two national championships! That goes above and beyond “dating the crazy hot girl” into like “dating the rich crazy hot girl whose dad gives you a 100k per year job because you two smoked stogies for a year on the porch of their South Beach mansion”. Even if you two break up, you still got the job. Even though Urban left Florida, he left you with two MNC’s. Can’t downplay that…
Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
by Graham Filler on Dec 14, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're not wrong.
You’re right, she’s hot. She’s really really super freakin’ hot. And the Gators won’t be giving back those NC trophies any time soon. But I know more than one UF fan who hasn’t said a decent word about him since he "retired", despite the fact that they drive around with NC license plates and have Gator-Slam stickers in their window. And then they were pissed when he took another gig.
I’ve decided to call this phenomenon: URBAN FATIGUE.
by Disinterested Par-tay on Dec 14, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, all I can say is
if he has the same results at OSU that he had at Florida, I’ll happily live with the aftermath.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 14, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I think the majority of Gator fans...
…woke up a Monday morning of the disposition they would have been thrilled to hear Meyer was returning.
…then ended the day running down the former coach who left him with 2 NCs and a talented bench.
…but in reality are upset because they found out they weren’t the “Destination program” for coaches they thought they were.
Not certain what they are so upset about.
If they don’t like him, they don’t have to worry about Urban returning now.
If they do like him, they can’t blame him for taking his dream job at his alma matre – it doesn’t mean UF is any less special.
Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference
He went to UC.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Thanks for the correction...
…I count “Graduate Assistant” ;)
,,,but should have phrased as "Team of his youth…
Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference
It's not exactly difficult to recruit at Ohio State
I think a trained chimp could get 4 and 5 star guys to come there.
A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance
HammerAndRails, SBNation's Boilermaker Blog
A trained chimp for a coach would be awesome
Oh wait. That already happened.

"Believe in the system. For it shall bring light when there is dark, food when there is hunger, and shots when there are passes. This is the divine process." Yeo 4:18
by NorthernStar on Dec 14, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Thats not a chimp, its a trained Gorilla
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 14, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Ted hasn't taken this much fire
since ’Nam
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 14, 2011 12:59 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Damn, I'm not THAT old
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Korea then?
Ohhh YOUNGER. My bad.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 14, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Are you sure he was not present at Normandy on June 6th 1944.
by spartynation on Dec 14, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
...

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I thought that was when he was practically wading into fire at Bunker Hill?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
If you guys don't knock it off
I shall pull out the sword I used during the Crusades and end you all.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
which leads me to my next question..
where the F is the grail?
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 15, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
The Grain Belt beer bottling plant, New Ulm, MN
Divine and Holy Intervention is the only thing that can explain that horrid, God-awful beer still being around.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
or perhaps foul and terrible powers instead?
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 15, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Iowa bitches alot.
Google's homepage celebrates too much shit.
by meatybob on Dec 14, 2011 1:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
by Jon Ross on Dec 14, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Iowa bitches a lot*
Quiet when AAU universities are talking, plz. K THX BYE.
by mikjones24 on Dec 14, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
How has no one made a joke about his health and the fact that the picture is from the Ohio State Medical Center?
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
by U-God on Dec 15, 2011 10:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
oh wow
and now I wish my photoshop-fu was actually passable
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 15, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
It's not FROM the Medical Center
they are merely a sponsor. Probably because they’re well aware that any pennies they spend on advertising will come back dressed up as dimes from all of the business Urb will personally deliver to them.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
My, this thread escalated quickly
I mean, that really got out of hand.
//Ron Burgundy’d
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
OSU = Rehashing of shit that's a year old
And no one, regardless of side, is going to have their opinion changed. But I applaud the fact that we can have a great debate about it…over and over and over and over and over again…without it getting too message board-y fuck you’ish.
Illinois = Controversy free, and they have almost no football fans on the Internet.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 15, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait
Illinois fans are on the INTERNET?
/badjokeisbad
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 15, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
You must have meant [NAME REDACTED].
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Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 15, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, [DATA NOT FOUND] has a pretty robust Internet fanbase.
You’ve never been to Hail to the Orange and Hammer & Rails, have you?
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 15, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I saw that. Graham killed a guy
Did he throw a trident?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
He might want to lay low for a while.
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
Find a safe house
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
No, no, no, guys, CRAIG JAMES may have KILLED FIVE HOOKERS with a trident.
/CraigJames4Senate
//He’d fit right in
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 16, 2011 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
There are three universal constants of every OTE thread
1) OSU commenters will make it all about them then act shocked, SHOCKED, when someone mentions the Tat 5;
2) MSU fans will make everything about a perceived lack of respect for their programs; and
3) Commenters will continue to beat a dead horse against some OTE writer for the slight he had in not thinking their team was THE BESTEST TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL because he or she predicted a slightly worse outcome for the team this season.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 15, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You forgot the part where Craig James and his alleged victims make an appearance
Also, there’s always at least one Iowa fan who does something, I don’t know, Iowa fan-ish.
Let me repeat
I do not believe they are true and there is absolutely no proof to support them, but I think the allegations that CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS AT SMU, will hinder his Senate bid.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
that and DJ Roomba's campaign..

HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 16, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Jerry! You stepped on DJ Roomba!
You killed him! I built him myself, he was like a son to me…
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Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 16, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
if NBC does to that show what they're doing to community....
i’ll set this building on fire.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 16, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
That's a hell of a ghetto blaster
/suddenlyfeelsold
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 16, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions

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