OSU Sanctions Recap and Reaction
by Ted Glover on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM CST
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PrintAlthough the NCAA report on OSU isn't going to be officially released until 3 PM EST, the Columbus Dispatch is already running with a story about the NCAA sanctions on Ohio State, and they are as follows:
1) a 2012 bowl ban, which makes them ineligible for the B1G championship if they were to qualify for the game.
2) Strip an additional four scholarships over the next three years on top of the self-imposed five.
3) One additional year of probation over OSU's self-imposed two.
3) A show cause penalty for Jim Tressel. It was not reported how long that would be in place for.
EDIT: Tressel's show cause is 5 years. That means that anyone that any achool that wants to hire him has to show damn good cause as to why they should. He's effectively banned from being a D-1 coach for 5 years, and with his age (and this is just my speculation here) he's probably done as a college coach--Ted
I really wasn't expecting a bowl ban, and if Gene Smith could've avoided a 2012 ban by not going to a bowl this year, he should be fired or he should resign. Heck, he should've resigned months ago, but if this isn't the icing on the cake, I'm not sure what else would be.
Most OSU fans think the bowl ban is harsh, and I'm sure most every non-OSU fan thinks this is way too light.
We'll have more on this later, but for now...discuss.
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I'm one of the non-OSU fans that sees this as a fairly light penalty
That said, I’m not sure that the crime deserved much, if any, more than what was handed down. It’s a relatively small issue, and it received a light penalty.
Miami fans should be the people most terrified by this outcome, as the Hurricanes are probably about to crushed by the NCAA. Al Golden’s Hurricanes may never be allowed to go to a bowl game.
Don't forget South Carolina
$47,000 dollars in free room and board.
This.
Punishment fits the crime here, especially since OSU essentially chose the 2012 Gator Bowl over a shot at the 2013 Rose Bowl.
Miami fans must have had a collective shudder when this came out. Their situation is way worse.
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by John Veldhuis on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
It's time to "resign" Gene Smith
If OSU did chose the Gator over next year’s possible bowl game/B1G championship chase, then Smith should be fire outright.
Not for anything related to the scandal itself…but for malpractice in his role as Athletic Director and keeper of the “best interests” of the university’s sports programs.
Courting mediocrity since 1964.
by lakeeriemonstar on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
*Fired
And, also, he clearly did chose the Gator over next year, so Gene Smith…
Courting mediocrity since 1964.
by lakeeriemonstar on Dec 20, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Well, 6-6 would've been the year to give yourself a bannin'
Plus, it was the seniors on this year’s team that brough this about.
It seems the NCAA is out to prove there’s a new sheriff in town.
by rogerja on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
this is Exhibit A for why Gene Smith should be fired.
there are sooooo many more.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 20, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm indifferent on the level of sanctions
but I’m glad this “NCAA is out to prove there’s a new sheriff in town” may be the case.
To my way of thinking, the biggest flaw of the NCAA over the past decade (starting after the Alabama punishment in 2001/2 and going until USC last year) was the almost complete dereliction of their enforcement responsibilities. I hope the pendulum is swinging back
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
UNC, Miami and South Carolina have to be scared right now. That said, there’s no figuring the NCAA COI decisions.
by rogerja on Dec 20, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shoot...had to run to the break room...
by GoAUpher on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
All In All, Even Stephen
I’ve gotta say, Ted, looking at the totality of circumstances the NCAA played this a well as they possibly could have.
A bowl ban is harsh enough for Ohio State (and here I’m talking about the university itself, rather than fans) to feel some of the lash, without being so harsh as to hamstring the program in a long term way (which would’ve been bad not only for the Buckeyes but for the B1G and the NCAA football money machine generally).
This won’t hurt Meyer’s recruiting. It won’t hurt the team on the field substantially. One year, and then it’s done.
As a Buckeye fan, it pains me to see that this cloud will hang over the program for another season…but given the “failure to monitor” accusation, I’m just happy they didn’t slap a (clearly unjustified) USC-type penalty on us.
Courting mediocrity since 1964.
by lakeeriemonstar on Dec 20, 2011 1:19 PM CST reply actions
Saw a good analogy somewhere that Gene Smith
played chicken with the NCAA and lost. I wonder if this derails the recruiting roll that Meyer was on.
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"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Won't Hurt Recruiting
He’s said he “made no promises” to the recruits he’s brought on, and if that’s the case, there should be no ill will there.
That, and given that this is only a one year penalty, a great many of the new recruits really won’t be hurt in any substantial way (if they’re seeing playing time, it’s mostly likely not of the NFL draft impacting variety).
I was gonna be bummed no matter how this turned out, but I gotta say it could’ve been worse.
Courting mediocrity since 1964.
by lakeeriemonstar on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Plus
How many of the new Urban recruits will redshirt 2012 anyway?
Answer Before Today: about half
Answer Today: Should be all
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt it.
Meyer claims to have contacts inside the NCAA that helped him put the penalties in perspective before agreeing to take the job. I’m sure he saw the one year penalty coming. Hell, most of his recruits are unlikely to be affected by this since a good number of them will probably redshirt.
by The Mexican't on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely
This gives Meyer a chance to install a system with very little pressure + the ability to schedule Hawaii for a fun trip… (not that they will, but I sure would jump on that opportunity) Overall, kind of surprised, but it won’t be all that terrible for the new kids. As for the soon-to-be-Seniors. Well… sucks to be them.
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by KennardHusker on Dec 20, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
The NCAA closed the Hawaii loophole after Alabama used it, the only reason USC was allowed to play at Hawaii in 2010 was that the date had been booked long before the punishments were handed down.
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by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 20, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Teams are (were?) allowed a 13th regular season game to cover travel expenses to Hawaii.
I believe.
by The Mexican't on Dec 20, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
They still are- what they changed is that teams on probation/post-season bans are no longer allowed to take that extra game.
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by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 20, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I believe the rule allowing the 13th game still exists
but the postseason ban may overrule that.
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I replied to the post above you at the same minute, so that’s where the reply is.
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by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, that makes sense
I had always wondered how that loophole still existed. It was a dumb rule in my opinion.
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by KennardHusker on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
It’s pretty much the only way Hawaii is able to schedule out of conference home games- teams are prepared to take a bit of a bath on the Hawaii game if it means A.) They get a return trip from the Warriors B.) They get to play a game in front of some of that nice Hawaii talent and C.) That they can go to Hawaii and still have seven home games. That’s how Hawaii has been able to get some pretty decent home games- USC, Washington State, Washington, Illinois and even the Big 10’s resident “we don’t like to travel out of the midwest” group, Wisconsin.
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by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 21, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
This.
It’s also the main reason Alaska-Anchorage and Alaska-Fairbanks are able to compete in hockey (the same policy exists for those games, so whenever a WCHA or CCHA team has a road series against one in regular-season play they get an extra two games).
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Only damage to recruiting will be the scholarship limitations.
Urbz may not have enough spots available to steal too many more recruits. Of course, I’m sure he’s actively looking for a way around the B1G’s greyshirting rules.
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I'm sure this will come up
If OSU appeals, and I’m betting they will, then the scholarship reductions won’t take affect until after the appeal is decided. IN other words, it wouldn’t affect them this recruiting season (if it does at all currently)
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Calm down junior
I hadn’t read one way or another what OSU had decided. And they’re still free to do so, any statement today notwithstanding. And I’m making no judgment on the merits or lack thereof of such an appeal; just noting that it would stay the enforcement of the penalties (at least those they chose to contest). It’s how USC got around the scholarship reduction last year and signed a huge class – but will likely be even more hurt by going forward
But you go on ahead and lash out at others just like always. Whatever it takes to take away the disappointment.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Biggy is touchy today. Watch your fingers when you feed him.
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I'm actually consciously trying to avoid
saying anything overly bombastic in the hopes of fending him off. I should probably know better though
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Lash out?
Oh! You mean refute your false claims? I forgot that if anyone dare disagree with your false assertions that they are delusional. Politician?
Refuting false claims = trolling, apparently
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by rogerja on Dec 20, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where was a false claim
I said my opinion was that OSU would probably appeal. That’s all it was, an opinion. Admittedly, a poorly-informed opinion as I did no work whatsoever to determine whether OSU had made a statement; but an opinion based on the way USC handled that specific portion of their similar punishment (i.e. the scholarship ban).
But I forgot, you’re a stickler for minutiae. Except when you’re not.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Pot. Kettle.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 20, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And the ncaa wouldn't reveal their decision until Feb
One of your many false predictions you protested.
Well other schools just figured out
that working with the NCAA is fruitless…dont self-report anything
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 20, 2011 1:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not sure
This could have been worse without the cooperation.
The mistake was not punting the 2011 bowl game as part of the self-sanctioning.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, agree
If they sat the Gator Bowl out, no 2012 ban.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Oh for gods sake
The school went to the NCAA and asked for the tat-ers to play in the bowl last year, then sit out 5 this year. No other issues, yada yada yada. Oh wait, Tressel knew all along – here NCAA, bend over, how’s that feel? 1 extra year is meaningless, a few extra scholly losses won’t be felt, it’s only the 1yr bowl ban. This is barely a speed bump after the moronic antics of the last 12 months.
Actually
The Sugar Bowl and the B1G asked the NCAA if they could play. Of course, Delany was told there was nothing else to it, so maybe he wouldn’t have if he knew Tressel had been lying the whole time.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
and this was after OSU suspended the players
Tressel’s actions bad, though.
How'd that work out for USC?
The reason you’re not a smoking crater is that the NCAA believed that the institutional failure to know any of this was going on falls almost entirely on Tressel (and no one else had reason to know); once someone else did find out, it was reported. If OSU had gone full USC and denied everything, you might have gotten away with it – but as the USC case shows, their standard of evidence is not “beyond all reasonable doubt”, and if they were convinced the violations happened and you were stonewalling, the sanctions would have been at least twice as bad.
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Fewer players, however
and you got less than 1/3 of what they got in terms of scholarships.
My point was that the “fuck it, why didn’t we just deny everything?” logic above was risky at best. If you go the USC route and deny everything while thumbing your nose at the NCAA and the NCAA finds enough evidence to rule you guilty anyway, you’re probably looking at something closer to 20 scholarships and two years with no bowl. You got off relatively light (apart from Tressel getting hammered with a show-cause) because they were reported as soon as someone other than Tressel knew (even if the claims of a zillion “isolated incidents” were laughable even to Buckeye partisans).
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sucks but...
All tressel has to do is turn over the information when he became aware of it. He didn’t and everything after that is on the school. Wish we didn’t get the bowl ban, but I think it won’t have any real impacts on the program in terms of recruiting and future success. Just accept it and move forward.
Could be worse, could Penn State or Miami.
Gene Smith...
… needs to go. Like, yesterday. He has mis-handled this from the get go.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:25 PM CST reply actions
I think we got the bowl ban for the DiGeronimo violations
That’s where the FTM came in and I think if it hadn’t occurred in addition to Tressel’s non-reporting — the NCAA would have accepted the self-imposed penalties.
The DiGeronimo violations are on Smith. He should have been (and still should be) fired for how he and his office handled that.
USC is gonna scream....
But the outcome seems fair, on the whole.
Only thing that still feels dirty was the relevant parties playing/coaching last year. I would have tacked one year onto everything to punish the hubris.
A bowl ban was probably deserved, but like you said,
…If this could have been avoided by banning us from this year’s bowl then Gene Smith is a joke and should be fired and forfeit his salary so we can pay our new recruits more, er, wait, I mean, so we can fund the Union repairs or something.
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by Jon Ross on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Could it have been worse
If you believe Charles Robinson (he did break the Miami story), it could have been much worse.
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Speaking of Miami
Does Golden just quit now? I mean, all hell is going to come down on Miami now that the NCAA can focus much of their attention on them. If OSU gets a bowl ban for transgressions that were relatively light, what does Miami get? 50 years double secret probation? Eternal Bowl Ban? Relegation to the Big East? If I was a recruit at Miami, I might start making some Plan B calls.
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by KennardHusker on Dec 20, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
NOOO!!! NOT RELEGATION TO THE BIG EAST!
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by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda
Are you comfortable with a tOSU grad making accusations at your school? He also worked for the paper up there and does a radio show. Have you ever read an ann arbor (is a whore) or Columbus newspaper?
If he's got a track record of nailing this sort of thing (which Robinson does), then yes.
Or more accurately, no, if he made such accusations I’d be scared shitless, I wouldn’t be comfortable at all.
Believe it or not, some people are capable of doing their jobs with a minimum of bias.
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What did Robinson nail?
He simply tweeted what his friend has said many times to not look like a hack. There are absolutely biases in sports. These clowns don’t report facts anymore.
In this case he didn't "nail" anything.
However, his work on the Miami case has given him a tremendous reputation boost.
His tweet simply confirmed that the key witness chose not to cooperate for “his own safety”. Someone else provided the “feared for his life” bit.
by The Mexican't on Dec 20, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
I believe he was also involved with reporting the USC case.
If it wasn’t him personally, it was his predecessor at Yahoo.
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Was his name cleared?
So far all you’ve done is show a man’s claim that he was innocent. We could probably find information for convicted criminals doing the same thing before their judgement came down.
by The Mexican't on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
False!
If you read it you would know that the ncaa found NO truth to ANY of those rumors involving Talbott. It is very simple and very available to see. Nice try though.
You mean read the NCAA report
or the link you provided. Because the link you provided does not “prove” anything, it is simply one man’s assertion of the facts; there is no independent confirmation provided.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Except for the NCAA transcripts
They investigated him and found nothing. He was cleared according to the actual findings of the ncaa, which is very easily found.
Maybe they do
but they are the link you provided. Just because the person in question says he’s been exonerated, that doesn’t make it so
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I generally ignore you, and this is the exact reason.
I asked you a question and instead of answering it you assumed I was arguing. I searched for Talbott and found nothing but accusations. Never once did I see him cleared. Had you simply responded, “Yes, he was cleared by the NCAA”, then you wouldn’t look like an asshole.
by The Mexican't on Dec 21, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty sure that last sentence isn't true
he’d just find another way
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Yes he was cleared.
The link provided that detail. The ncaa report also provides that detail. Thanks for resulting to name calling.
Charles Robinson just tweeted:
Key witness refused to cooperate w/ NCAA’s Ohio State probe. Had he taken part, sanctions could have been far worse. OSU dodged a bullet.
Also mentioned that ‘key witness’ was not Pryor, but a civilian closely associated to program.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Well when younhave no jurisdiction
Or punitive power (as in, over private citizens), a lack of cooperation shouldn’t be a surprise. I just hope this non-cooperating witness isn’t what the NCAA was hanging its hat on for a smoking gun.
Who was the manager
of the country club/golf course that Pryor was reportedly getting a bunch of free rounds at?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Does he make free pizza
For players?
by mikjones24 on Dec 20, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
it's not delivery
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
for the coaches
but had to quit becasue the players could have taken a slice, which would have been a violation of NCAA rules.
Robinson also just tweeted that this "key witness" didn't testify because he feared for his life.
Stay classy OSU.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Like he's in a frat at MSU
who go ton the wrong side of a football player.
Yup. college kids fighting = death threats on a witness
As I said, Stay classy Buckeyes.
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Baseless rumors equate fact?
Dohrmann has used that bs to try and save face over the false story he wrote.
Well you see, when someone threatens someone, they normally don't post the threat on the internet.
I have seen a few cases of people doing this (i.e. public threats on Facebook, etc), but those idiots tend to get arrested quickly.
So, I’ll have to refer to Charles Robinson’s reporting. Take it as you wish.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
I understand, but lots of stories say that witnesses have received death threats. Others say that witnesses fear for their lives. ONe can do the latter without the former.
One can also infer that said witness has reason to fear for his safety.
Whether those reasons are legitimate or paranoia is up to the reader to decide.
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do you want a fucking tissue?
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta love Twitter
Where journalists can cast aspersions and make it appear “off-the-record” or semi-official.
I worry about the state of our news organizations in the age of the internet.
For the record
the online journalist in question broke the Miami scandal that traditional news organizations were nowhere near unearthing.
That doesn’t mean that he’s accurate here, but it buys him some room to talk in my mind.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Charles Robinson isn’t some hack journalist living in his mom’s basement like that guy Vint.
by The Mexican't on Dec 20, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
/slide whistle
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 20, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yes I was aware of that.
And I still maintain what I wrote. Without journalistics standards, we’re all the equivalent of bloggers, Yahoo News, NYT, ESPiN… everyone.
Twitter doesn’t negate those standards.
I'm with you on this one NC
Twitter needs to be viewed skeptically.
In my own personal mental “food chain” of news sources, it’s (depeding on the Tweeter) somewhere in the “Wikipedia” level.
Yep the internet is amazing
until someone reports something against your school then it is THE WORST EXERCISE IN A COMPLETE LACK OF PROFESSIONAL ETHICS EVER UNDERTAKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ALL LIVE IN THEIR PARENTS’ BASEMENTS AND HAVE NO LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/every fan of any school ever when the shit hits the fan’d
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Like you wouldn't take exception with the implication
that Iowa is a state full of thugs and miscreants who would be willing to kill someone to silence them from giving NCAA testimony.
Yeah, it’s just like Good Fellas in the Buckeye state.
/sarcasm
This has nothing to do with that
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of considering someone a good journalist up until the moment he reports something about your/my/whoever’s school when he instantaneously becomes a hack
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You want to look at it as black and white
I’m maintaining that Twitter is being used by some journalists to further opinions they have (opinions that wouldn’t hold up to the standards by which they have to report in their publications). And that the public is believing those tweets as being as solid as their reporting.
If I had a bona fide journalism background, I could do a lengthy article for OntheMedia.com about selective reporting by ESPN. Maybe cite statistics showing positive/negative reporting as tied to ESPN broadcast contracts as well as three on-the-record sources who corroborated my assertions. And then casually tweet that one of their analysts may have committed five felonies while in college.
My opinion didn’t get vetted the same as the article but I can assure you the public won’t make any distinction between the two.
Penn State fans wanna chime in?
Maybe a UM fan on the Free Press?
I agree with he said wholeheartedly
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 20, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Oh look!
biggy’s up to one of his favorite tricks: repeatedly posting a link that in no way proves that which it is offered to prove and then claiming everyone else doesn’t understand it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I have
but I question whether you have. Or this could be another instance where you’re asserting something that isn’t the case.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
You're also the one
that says a link to a screen-grab of a Facebook wall post is “proof” of something.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Typical
The man who was involved points out something that is easily checked as fact…..you refuse to actually look it up and instead want to pass it off without researching. At least you are consistent.
No, I looked at both
you have repeatedly posted a link to a screenshot of a FB wall post. That hardly constitutes evidence. The substance of that FP post is implicitly confirmed by the lack of mention of Talbott. If you had linked to the NCAA report and said that Talbott is nowhere mentioned, that would be offering proof. Instead, you’ve used an alleged assertion by Talbott as proof his claim, as well as many others; which is akin to saying OJ is not guilty because he says he didn’t do it. He is not guilty, but not for that reason.
You also try to use this link throughout this comments thread as proof of, well I really don’t know what. Because you just seem to think that providing a link is the same as QED. There is too much logic and reasoning fail in your posts to even bother with it.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 21, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Reasoning?
1)You made numerous claims about robinson (who didn’t even investigate tOSU) being a credible journalist.
2) Talbott was the man who was the focal point of all the lemmings with their false free cars etc.
3) Talbott said extremely clearly that he was NOT guilty of said false accusations and cited the ncaa report.
4) You had the option of very simply researching if what he said was true.
5) You chose to dismiss it as a facebook capture without any proof, when all you had to do was check it.
6) Get it now?
Why I would like a harsh penalty:
I would like the B1G to hold itself to a higher standard than those other conferences that shall not be named.
If it takes kneecapping the most recently prominent program in our conference to get the point across that the B1G 1) doesn’t condone cheating and 2) takes cheating very seriously and will punish all infractions harshly, I am fine with that.
I don’t honestly care what “fans” think. I do have respect for what alums of B1G schools think on this matter however.
The B1G can levy additional penalties if they see fit, right?
Not that Delany would allow his faired haired son to get a spanking, but it “could” happen.
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Yes
And I’ll wager you some ocean-front property in Columbus that they don’t.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
No way Delany...or any commissioner for that matter
inflicts more self punishment. OSU not making a bowl hurts the whole conference, as they share the revenue equally.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
..and usually make the best bowl
/not sure if the payouts are higher or not tho
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
Actually Ted, MSUDersh argues below that Delany should withhold
ALL bowl revenue from tOSU in 2012 as a further measure of punishment (also think he’s suggesting this so MSU won’t suffer financially as a result of the ban).
How do you think that would go over in Columbus? I’d be curious about the repercussions this would have as far as a response from the tOSU administration.
There’s a large segment of the PSU fanbase back on the bandwagon about looking for greener pastures. Hmmmmmm.
To clarify
I don’t think it should be the conference commish withholding the revenue – I think that a post-season ban should, as a matter of course, include ban of ALL benefits of the postseason, and that includes sharing in the collective revenue the conference receives (DISCLAIMER – I know not of the logistics of how the revenue is shared, so it may be a decision that only conference commisshes can make).
And after giving it some thought
I agree about your second point – why should MSU (or the other ten teams) be further hurt by tOSU?
The Bucks can still run the table in the conference next season, which will knock every team except the CCG winner down one notch in the bowl pecking order, not to mention could eliminate one or more teams from bowl eligibility. Both of those consequences would reduce the overall pot that the conference shares in.
Why should the other schools be further hurt financially by tOSU’s indiscretions?
And maybe PSU would like a travel partner in their ACC flirtations?
Just saying, we (tOSU community) do have a breaking point. The conference might want to think it through before deciding to pile on.
Please go to the ACC. That would be awesome. Don't let the door hit your cheating asses on the way out.
I’d rather not have my school’s reputation continue to be tarnished by associating with OSU.
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by Spartan D on Dec 20, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't consider advising someone to be mindful of a closing door's potential impact
to pass the test for criminal assault – no immediate fear of harm.
But either way, OSU isn’t going anywhere.
You'd think that cohesion and history might take that off the table
But we live in a rapidly changing environment as far as DI-A athletics.
The ACC television contracts aren’t that bad at present and most likely would get renegotiated very quickly. And if our latest travails have taught me anything, it’s that our B1G brethren aren’t as cohesive as I believed prior to this.
If this was in anyway a false accusation I'd have your (osu's) back in a heart beat.
But your school cheated. Your school got caught. And your school has been punished.
All we (as the B1G I believe) ask for is that you (osu) be accountable for your (osu’s) actions.
Man up. Take the punishment and drive on. Don’t snivel about leaving because you’re “under appreciated”.
Yeah, we'll take the NCAA penalties
I’m just saying the conference might want to think it thru before attempting to add on.
Might not be the wisest decision to poke the 800 lb gorilla.
In reality, the B1G won't pile on, whether it's deserved or not.
It’s clear that Delany places OSU on a pedestal, and I highly doubt he’ll want to see his golden goose cooked for Xmas dinner.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Would stripping OSU of any share of the 2012 bowl revenue
assuming it is allowed under the league bylaws, really constitute “piling on”?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Well, it would if Smith was talked into not forgoing a bowl game this year
I have no proof of that but it seems plausible. I could see Delany lobbying for that.
I’m sure if that was case then Smith will leak it at some point in the next two days (it might be the only thing that saves his job).
this made me laugh
my school’s reputation
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
You, sir have sullied my sterling reputation with those vile accusations
I demand satisfaction. But first I must assualt this fraternity!
by rogerja on Dec 20, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
You're judging...
Our school based on the conduct of our college fraternities and their rivals. We’re judging yours based on the conduct of your administration. And we still have the stronger argument that the subject being judged is a pack of criminals. That’s pretty damning all on its own, especially when all you’ve got is a college fight that took place a couple years ago when stacked up against a decade of shady car dealerships and payola scandals.
haaaaahahahaha
i promise MSU’s reputation as an institution isn’t damaged at all by a completely separate institution’s athletic department being idiots. if you meant your school’s football team, i suggest you start the un-tarnishing by winning a big game once in a while
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 20, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
And here we have
An OSU fan telling other teams to win a big game. The irony is delicious.
not so fast
i’m not the one bitching about the perception of my school/football team being sullied by others in the conference. of course it would reflect better on the buckeyes if the rest of the conference were destroying their out of conference games, but that’s irrelevant when we can’t win one ourselves. like michigan state.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Breaking point I get
Though I don’t know if Delaney, et al, care about the community’s opinion.
My point though is, a post-season ban should include all benefits of the postseason, which includes the money the conference as a whole generates then re-distributes to its subjects members (sorry, socialism joke there). Anyway, look at it this way – if TSUN was in these shoes, would you want it to be able to collect close to $4mm while it’s being “punished?”
Too early for that
I’m disappointed in the OSU administration for not foregoing the Gator Bowl, but the penalties i’m fine with.
They won’t withold bowl revenue, except maybe next year, which, i’d actually be ok with, too.
Other things I disappointed in:
MSU fans not understanding that assault is worse than tattoos
Bowl revenue...
is really not that big of a deal to a school like OSU. A place of that size has big money donors who would write a check to make up that difference tomorrow.
Make no mistake about it...
The other school’s aren’t pushing for anything of the sort.
Just a certain fraction of their collective fan bases.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
That is HILARIOUS
I truly mean that. Neither tOSU or Penn State will leave the B1G. For one thing every member of the conference agreed to give up their tier 1 and tier 2 TV rights for 5 years after leaving the conference. For another, the amount of money they’re raking in from BTN alone is massive, and third the academic wing would go absolutely batshit when they got cut off from the CIC.
Plus, the idea that anybody would leave the B1G for the ACC is f’n unbelievable. What POSSIBLE advantage do they gain? NONE ZERO ZILCH.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
The only way anybody is leaving the B1G
is if there is some sort of cataclysmic re-shuffling of the CFB landscape into 4, 16 team super conferences. Short of that happening, none of the 12 members are going anywhere.
Even then, they wouldn't leave
They’d just sit back and choose who is joing us. B1G is a destination conference.
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This is nonsense.
You dont leave the Big Ten. Its like the Mafia.
by LincolnParkWildcat on Dec 20, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
A couple thoughts...
if Gene Smith could’ve avoided a 2012 ban by not going to a bowl this year
OSU is arrogant beyond belief to think that they were NOT going to get a bowl ban for at least a year. So, yes, Smith is an idiot for not pulling his 6-6 squad out of a bowl this year.
Overall, I think this is a fairly just set of penalties for OSU. Slapping themselves on the wrist by taking 5 schollies away over 4 years was fucking ridiculous by OSU – their arrogance is obvious, and they’re clearly not used to being penalized for cheating.
Personally, I was hoping the NCAA would drop a fucking anvil on OSU, cuz they’re cheating scumbags and cost my team a Rose Bowl berth last year. But, I’ll take this.
Based on history and their new coach, I’d give 50/50 odds that OSU makes it through their probation period clean.
Fuck you OSU. Fuck you forever.
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Wanna see our trophies from the past 2 seasons?
Cuz you sure as shit ain’t got none.
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You mean the "at least they tried" trophy
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
At least we got to a bowl game.
As far as the historical record is concerned, OSU did not.
Rather be a loser than a cheater.
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Success!!
MSU, setting the bar low since 1957.
by rogerja on Dec 20, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
OSU. Officially Integrity-free since 2009
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by Spartan D on Dec 20, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Beating up their own
I guess it is worse that OSU had some players get free tatoos over the roaming bands of MSU football players beating up hockey players and various students in their free time.
If you think no tOSU football player has ever gotten into a fight,
Or no group of thhem has ever had a rivalry with a frat, well, you’re somewhere between kidding yourself & delusional.
What does that even mean?
It looks like an attempt at a completely asinine response to a legitimate posting by another person here.
He knows that the Columbus media would never dare report on anything bad happening at OSU, and he thinks that translates to there being nothing bad happening at OSU. They’re as indoctrinated as a late 1930s German citizen.
Well said again
And it’s good to know that reasonable people on here can agree with me about asinine, juvenille responses like Rog’s. It’s good to know that adults are in here to help call out the children.
It means provide a source, rather than speculate
Like this
Original Poster- MSU players got in a fight. Won’t amount o much.
Reply Poster- Link?
Original Poster- http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4714613
Nobody who goes onto OTE
and comments, needs any “links” to understand that football players sometimes get into fights (especially with fraternities). Nice try though.
Off course not
We have MSU in the conference. They lead the way on frat fights. BUlly fo ryou!
Impressive
Our players “lead the way” on frat fights, and our administration suspends/dismisses them from the team. Your entire administration is guilty of cheating on a massive level. And the crazy thing is, you’d rather have that legacy.
He wasn't fired
Tressell quit and OSU paid him to do so. If he was fired they wouldn’t have paid him.
by James Rinkevich on Dec 21, 2011 1:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What is a word Andy Katzenmoyer can't spell, Alex?
/oldie but a goodie
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
just took a trip in the waaaaay back machine there
pretty much pre-most of the internet
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
I just love finding a way to work the Big Kat in a conversation
Lovable dumbass that he was.
And I know kids today think that if it didn’t happen two seconds ago, it never happened. But there was a whole world of events that transpired before the internet.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
look on the bright side
we got to grow up in a world where when you left the house, the parent’s could not find you. Made being a teenager a lot more fun I assure you.
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If he's like the guy from "The Program"
he can at least spell “Adidas!”
by MSUDersh on Dec 20, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fantastic movie
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Dec 20, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
DOn’t care about him speaking, care about him hitting Corby Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzeF2Van5ns
by rogerja on Dec 20, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Big Kat big hit autorec
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
perspective
sure, fights happen, just look at PSU. But show me the last time that more than a couple (in MSU’s case 9) assualted upwards of 20 students at Ohio State and then i’ll concede that our players are roaming bands of thugs assaulting our own.
This is ridiculous
Never before has an event blown so out of proportion. A couple players actually fought, and they were thrown off the team. A couple other players were present, but weren’t involved. This wasn’t an “assault”, and they certainly aren’t “thugs” on the level of Maurice Clarett or Terrelle “everybody kills people” Pryor.
One of our players got jumped by members of a frat, and he retaliated, and was thrown off the team for it. You make it sound like our entire team roves around beating up old ladies. How very mgoblog-esque of you. The really special thing about this is that you think it’s ok for an entire administration to blatantly cheat, but it’s not ok for a couple college students to get in a fight. The delusion and entitlement here is staggering. No wonder Michigan hates you people; you’re exactly the same.
Well said Oz
The issue here isn’t the stupid things that the players did – people that age always have, and always will, do stupid things, whether its a fight, cashing in on their local fame, or something else (also, thank goodness we aren’t talking about a rape, murder, etc – PERSPECTIVE!).
The issue is, how the team, represented by the coach & AD, and univeristy handle it.
In their darkest moments, people show their true colors. Which colors do you want your sons to represent – the colors that excuse cheating & lying in the name of victory, or the colors that demand accountability & reprecussions from within when people step out of line?
I know which side I’m on.
by MSUDersh on Dec 20, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How else does one respond to blatant post of "officially integrity free since 2009" and Fuck you OSU
Do I think that OSU deserved the punishment, sure. Do I think that OSU as an institution of students, professors and alumni lack integrity because our players got free tatoos? No.
I like MSU, I like Dantonio. Do I think that MSU is a school of roaming criminals, no. But I do think its rediculous how enforcement of violations comes down from the MSU, and I think what our players did reflects no more poorly on OSU as an institution than what MSU players did. So when Spartan D gets off his high horse, then I’ll get off mine.
MSU = NCAA
Go lost in my thoughts. Should say how NCAA hands down violations, not MSU
Well on a sports blog
Specifically a football blog, I think it’s safe to assume that the person who put that post up was referring to tOSU’s football program & athletic department. Nobody is hammering on the physics department in here.
I know to accept criticism towards MSU as such.
Fair enough
Plus if anyone throws out the **** OSU for any reason, I’ll probably just poke at them a bit. I would of done the same had it been any school
Clarifying my comments...
I have no beef with OSU as a school, or with its students or fans. It’s a tremendous institution of higher learning, and I have a lot of friends who graduated and they are fine people.
But the cheaters within the football program, booster community, and athletic administration can go fuck themselves with a chainsaw, because they’re lousy cheating scumbags.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
I have little regard for cheaters.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Selectively classy
You obviously have high regard for lack of sportsmanship though. Is the attitude of the day drawn from a hat?
How'd you guess?
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
If you think no MSU football player has ever received improper benefits
like discounted tattoos, well, you’re somewhere between kidding yourself and delusional.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 20, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Good retort - you're likely correct.
I know that the type of things that the Tat5 did happen everywhere.
And I also know that when MSU players have been found to do things inappropriate, the coach, team & AD take immediate & swift action, while at tOSU, the coach lies & covers up, the administration runs half-assed “investigations,” and essentially, sends out a message that it is willing to tolerate lying & cheating in the name of wins on the field.
It’s not the original crime that is getting punished here – it’s the institution’s failure to control it’s team & coach that is.
Immediate and swift action
unless it involves hitting defenseless players. IN which case they’ll do nothing.
/lobs grenade. Backs out
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'll take the bait
What the heck are you talking about?
If you mean the punter in the CCG, MSU was punished, by the refs, on the field, at the time – that’s how football works.
Did I miss something?
I believe Mr. HoyaGoon is talking about
Gohlston, William.
But he backed out…
Well he was punished on the field
15 yard personal foul, and the conference punished him further – par for the course.
And Dantonio and the AD
did nothing. Pointedly so. The B1G only stepped in when it was clear that MSU wasn’t going to
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
uh oh..............
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
The conference announced the day after the game it was looking into further punishment
At that point, MSU left it to the B1G. IT was asked for it’s report, and provided it, and the conference responded. That’s how this works.
When your wife gets a ticket for speeding, do you take away her keys, or allow the system to punish her with fines & points?
MY WIFE WAS DRIVING?!?!
I HAVE A WIFE?!?!
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
are they in your living room?
did I miss something?
“ain’t got none” is also a double negative….
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the grammar lesson.
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just saying that you basically said you didn't have a trophy
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
*didn't not have a trophy
fixed for double negative
No
I think he’s tired of the conference being run by the most filthy, corrupt football program in the country. It’s about time for a changing of the guard, and Meyer and Pittman can cool their heels at home while hopefully watching that “mediocre” team play for the roses next year.
...conference being run by the most filthy, corrupt football program in the country.
Huh, if you actually feel that way, maybe you should start lobbying your administration to kick us out out of the conference.
Let me know how that works out for you.
Without tOSU, the B1G
would be a sexier version of the Big East
/OSU arrogance
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 20, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You know that no program has been given a bowl ban for FTM? Thhis is the first step for the NCAA to reassert itself.
Unhappy that my team got fucked over by a bunch of cheaters?
Yup, I’m unhappy.
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got fucked over
try winning the games in the first place.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Would a loss to an AQ school
hurt worse than a loss to Alabama?
Ummm....Alabama IS an AQ school.
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he needs some vasoline
to take care of that extreme case of butt hurt.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
"Cheating scumbags that cost my yeam the Rose Bowl"
…what, so you could’ve been pounded by TCU instead of Alabama?
And you’d be basking in the SoCal sun right now if your team knew how to not run into a fucking punter.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 20, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd for truth.
And you’d be basking in the SoCal sun right now if your team knew how to not run into a fucking punter.
by GoAUpher on Dec 20, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also OSU's fault according to Spartan D's logic.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get it
Knowingly playing ineligible players for an entire season, that resulted in the school playing those players being in a three way tie for the conference lead that otherwise would have been an outright title for MSU – how is that not logical?
sounds like someone has a case of the "'sposed ta's"
~Rod/Tod Flanders.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Supposed to follow the rules
Supposed to not lie to the NCAA regarding players eligibility.
Also, it was the special ed teacher at Cypress Creek Elementary.
supposed to win all your games or not bitch about it
I see where you’re going
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
We're officially through the looking glass here.
Losing a game is now worse than cheating.
I’m done.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
nah, it's just that MSU fans seems to be the one's with the largest objects lodged in their backsides is all.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Nice
Great combination of intelligence & staying on-topic. But when that’s all you’ve got, it’s all you’ve got.
good luck in the Rose Bo...
wait….
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Results of our bowl game doesn't make OSU football any less of a den of villainous scum.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Oh just stop
Kids sold their own shit for money and free ink and the coach didn’t tell the NCAA.
We’re not talking kiddie buggering here.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Hyperbole much?
Throw for 0.93 YPA like a BAUS!
by blownapartBrutus on Dec 20, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
What gave it away? Was it "den of villainous scum?"
Cuz I use that in conversation regularly.
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So... in terms of the Big Ten East
Does this mean Wisconsin is pretty much guaranteed to attend Indianapolis again? (barring a large choke job)
Cna’t wait for OSU to be the elephant in the room at next year’s BTCG, likely on a bigger level than USC in the PTCG this year.
It would look like
the Michigan-MSU winner from the East and Wisconsin from the West.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Don't they need a one year quarterback
Saw the headline, didn’t read the article.
Question on the scholarship losses
Is it an additional 4 scholarships total or an additional 4 scholarships per year for the next 3 years?
ESPN says it’s 4 per year, so I’m assuming it’s just an additional 4 scholarships total.
Ohio State will lose four additional scholarships per year for the next three years. That’s on top of the loss of five scholarships the school self-imposed.
total 9 over 3 years (avg. 3 per)
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Word on 97.1 The Fan...
Tressel will get a FIVE YEAR show-cause penalty.
Wow…. just wow. Having read the entire transcript from his testimony in front of the Committee of Infractions, I am absolutely shocked by this.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM CST reply actions
NCAA School that wants to hire Tressel
has to show cause (demonstrate a reason) why it should be able to hire him. Translation: he is nuclear waste for 5 years.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
NCAA School
#JimTresselforUpperIowaOrAnyOtherNAIASchool
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
My apologies
Upper Iowa is actually D-II.
#JimTresselforMorningsideOrAnyOtherNAIASchool
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, just looked it up
Swore I heard someone mention that he could get an FCS job with ease if hit with the show-cause. Then again, I think I heard it on ESPN which would explain why it was total bullshit.
Means that in order for Tressel to be employed by a university
for the length of the penalty — a university must “show cause” as to why Tressel should be allowed to be employed by that university. That’s the basic explanation without the NCAA legalese.
Humble, are you able to get on 11W?
I’m getting a server error. Thinking some hacker might crashed the sight.
Nope.... The site is getting hammered right now.
Traffic overload, be @elevenwarrios on twitter.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Mostly because...
… it tells me that the NCAA considered the Tressel/Tat-gate infractions worse than the DiGeronimo stuff, but the FTM charge didn’t come out until the DiGeronimo stuff. There’s no consistency to the NCAA’s logic.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
It was the additional problems
Per Mandel’s read of the report
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Tressel shouldn't have turned a blind eye to the infractions
and lied about what he knew and when, then he wouldn’t have a 5 year show cause. It’s his own damn fault, and fessing up after you’ve already been caught means nothing.
The only way coaches can truly be expected to take some of this stuff seriously is if they feel the pain of their errors.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Honestly it could have been worse
The F up at the beginning of the year with Howard, etc didn’t help.
Just wish they would skip the Gator Bowl in lieu of next season’s bow game.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 1:47 PM CST reply actions
No penalty would ever be perfect
but I think this is just about right
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Who had 31 minutes in the "Thread devolves into a trollfest" pool?
Please head to the counter to cash in your ticket.
I had 15 min
I guess I was expecting more of a “throw the gasoline on the fire” fest
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by Pariahwulfen on Dec 20, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Trolls, please stop.
I’m here to discuss the infractions in a civil matter without the ad hominem garbage. If I want troll-trash, I’ll go to ESPN.
Can we please discuss – with logic and reason – why we think the penalties were not enough, too much, or just right without any douchebaggery?
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 2:27 PM CST reply actions
I think it is about right
My question is why OSU fans are giving the “Woe is us” treatment. Do you really expect OSU won’t bounce back with a vengeance in 2013? USC certainly looks like it will in 2012. It’s a slap on the wrist in the long run. So the seniors won’t get to playa glorified exhibition somewhere warm in January. BFD.
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by BoilerTMill on Dec 20, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Me too, about right
Just for the sake of piling on, I would have liked more scholarship losses, so I could have pointed and laughed. From the cheap seats, Tressel got the biggest hammer. He’s donezo in CFB.
As my emotions pass and reason takes back over
I think the punishment fits. I’m just more pissed about how Gene Smith effed up this whole thing from the beginning. Everyone and their brother was screaming at him to self impose a bowl ban for this year after the FTM charge was levied on Nov. 5th.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think Gene Smith's cavalier attitude towards the whole situation
Hurt the Bucks more than people people think. That’s just my opinion though.
Agreed
I was stunned they didn’t. It would have made a lot more sense to throw away a 6-6 meaningless bowl to save a better chance for next year.
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USC will just begin to feel the sting in 2012
Because they appealed the scholarship reductions, the penalty was stayed pending an outcome, allowing USC to have an oversigned 2011 recruiting class. But they lost their appeal. Which means they will have to comply with the reductions going forward AND will have even fewer scholarships to hand out to make up for the large class they brought in.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I think the total years stays the same
USC made a conscious decision to stock up in the hopes that they’ll be able to ride it out. But it also means the really lean years for the program won’t be felt until 3-4 years from now when they don’t have any depth because of the reductions
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
As someone that lives in LA an is not a USC fan at all
I can’t wait for those years :D
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
You want people to stop being inflammatory trolls here?
Well, good luck.
Covering Michigan Basketball for Maize n Brew.
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I really think it was about right
The person that was most responsible for the cover-up took one of the toughest penalties. The school was penalized enough that I think the administration will re-think how they oversee the football program but not so hard that they will take decades to recover.
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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 20, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
I thought they lived on OBNUG
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by Pariahwulfen on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Bowl ban?
The way the revenue is split, how much money will the school lose for a bowl ban? Any? A couple hundred thousand? Sucks for the seniors and maybe one recruit who really cares, not really the end of the world.
As a Michigan fan I’d like the university closed, but rationally speaking, I think its about where it should be.
That's a great point
RE: revenue. It almost seems that boxing tOSU out from collecting the revenue generated by 8 or 9 other bowls would be more impactful.
B1G will rake in approx $47 mil from bowls this season ~ $3.91mil per school (minus any cut the conference takes + bowl associated costs for each school)
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This, please.
Cut OSU football out from the bowl $ pool
That's a good kneejerk reaction
But a lot of that money helps fund non-revenue sports that might not get money otherwise.
I get the sentiment that someone needs to pay for breaking the rules, but that would adversely affect a lot of by God no kidding student athletes competing in a sport they know they’ll never go pro in but compete anyway because they love i
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I'm sure the other school's would like to be cut from OSU's bowl revenue sharing the past decade.
makes perfect sense.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Other schools didn't commit major violations resulting in bowl bans.
Why the hell would we cut them off?
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by SpartanDan on Dec 20, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
To be clear, I don't think anyone's saying do it permanently.
I’m certainly not. But including “not eligible for their normal share of the conference bowl money” as part of “not eligible for a bowl” for that one season does not seem unreasonable.
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If this is already part of B1G by-laws,
then so be it.
But if this is going to be one of those off-the-cuff retroactive decisions that Delany has done in the past — that’s when we’re going to have a problem.
I can understand that.
I do think it should be part of the rules, but I’m not sure it is already. The problem hasn’t really come up much with regard to B1G schools.
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OSU could be cut from the bowl money pool forever
and their non-revenue sports would not suffer. They are one of the most profitable programs in the NCAA.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
^^this guy gets it
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
OSU goes to bowl OSU doesn’t cut Big Ten into bowl payout. OSU keeps all bowl money.
BCS game, OSU keeps $16 million.
Otehrwise know as teh Notre Dame model.
Now for that claim,
I may call for a “link.”
Just to clarify – you’re saying that tOSU has it’s own rules RE: bowl revenue sharing? What’s next – the Buckeye Network??
No he's replying to something I didn't say
He’s saying that if OSU is cut from the bowl pool forever, then they should get to keep the money from whatever bowl they go to.
Which would be fair, but has nothing at all to do with my statement.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
And in case anybody is wondering
Between OSU football at #14 and OSU basketball at #34, their athletic programs are doing just fine. Any money they get from the bowl pool is just a nice cherry on top.
And i’m not saying the SHOULD, just that they COULD.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
HOORAY FOR IRRELEVANCIES!!!!
Tomorrow on OTE, biggy will be explaining to all of us why OSU didn’t want to go to a bowl after the 2012 season anyway
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I will be explaining all of your wrong predictions.
Making false claims if your specialty. Nostradumass?
Words.
You don’t understand them.
For a claim to be “false”, it must be a statement of fact. Saying “Craig James killed five hookers at SMU” is a false claim; saying “I’m betting OSU does..” is not. The former is a (false) statement of fact, the latter is clearly a statement of belief. Belief cannot be “false”, as it is impossible to disprove. It can, however, be unfounded. And I freely admit that my opinion of what OSU would do was an unfounded assumption.
Or to put it another way, if you want examples of false claims, I suggest you look up EVERY TIME you claimed that OSU did not admit to being a repeat offender. Because that, sir, is the text-book definition of a false claim.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Hold on a sec.
"Craig James killed five hookers at SMU" is not necessarilly a false statement, unless one can prove that he DIDN’T kill five hookers while at SMU.
I’m still waiting for proof.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Logic fail
It is impossible to prove a negative.
I’m not saying it did or did not happen, just that right now there is absolutely no factual basis to support the assertion that Craig James killed five hookers while at SMU
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
My logic is unassailable sir!
If Mr. James didn’t do these deeds, wouldn’t there be some kind of proof, maybe a note from the Dallas sheriffs’ office or a press conference by the local DA, that proclaimed his innocence?
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Statement of fact
You don’t know me. Feel free to disagree with me all you want, but personal attacks are not necessary.
everyone knows that all the good bowls come after the impending Mayan apocolypse...
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
And there it is
I make a complimentary statement about OSU (They’re rich!) and biggy has to jump in and insult Iowa.
It’s shit like this that reminds me A) why I dislike OSU and all of it’s fans and B) how this blog has become a text book example of how a small number of posters can just ruin a site.
Time to go back to just reading the articles.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
2011 OTE != 2010 OTE
2011 OTE comments sections are not for the faint of heart and your troll-tolerance needs to be graduate level. I miss reasoned (or at least somewhat reasoned) discourse on OTE.
the financial penalty, if i remember correctly, was OSU donating it's earnings from the sugar bowl to charity. right?
the big ten splits all bowl earnings in the current system..
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Replying to Ted
Yeah, the OSU bowl $$ may help it’s non-revenue sports.
But we’re not talking cutting off humanitarian aid to strangle Ahmenijad (sp) here – it’s tOSU’s fault that it is in this mess, so it should be up to the school to re-appropriate it’s own money to make sure that it’s smaller programs don’t suffer bc of the football team. Or not. But that’s OSU’s problem, and I hope that it’s rebuttal to this argument wouldn’t be to pimp out the poor water poloers or equistrians with turned out pockets to make the case for why it should share in football revenue.
yeah
And I have no idea about there horse progams, at tOSU, MSU, or anywhere else. I was just trying to pick a couple oftotally random, non-revenue sports, to make my point.
I suppose I could have gone with underwater basket weaving
equestrian..
that’s what it’s called when you ride a UM cheerleader, right?
BOOM!
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL you nailed that one!!!!!!
And I mean the zinger, for the love of all things holy not the M gurlz
by MSUDersh on Dec 20, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
liking the same things isn't important
we all know it’s hate that binds us.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of hate
Here’s a take off from one of BuckNasty’s lines in the “Hater Bowl:”
“I have to run, time to change the water in the Michigan cheerleader’s dish.”
the hate keeps my heart warm
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Don't Laugh
I’d like to see YOUR fingers after a few hours underwater working with wicker. I lettered in this stuff in High School and was getting recruited by several major D1 programs, but I blew out a knuckle in the state finals and the offers all dried up.
What could have been….
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
Next on ESPN's "30 for 30"....
….“Basket Case”
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Is that what the Marinovich thing was called?
fitting…
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Sort of like:
Let’s stay married for the kids sake?
No reason to punish the innocent just because the major breadwinner f’d up, right?
With one less school eligible for a bowl, you lose one bowl payout
Since they’ll bump other schools up a rung, it’ll be the payout from the lowest-selecting bowl game, unless Indiana and/or Minnesota makes it next year.
Right the conference loses the payout
and overall, the pot should be smaller.
But I think a legitimate proposed punishment would be the SCHOOL with the bowl ban not getting any payout from the conference revenue sharing for that season. If nothing else, the threat to lose out on such an annual windfall could encourage coaches (like Tressel) or programs (like Miami/USC/unnamed B1G schools) to report on indescretions as soon as they know about them.
looking for honest perspective
so leave the butt-hurt out of it. i’m okay with everything except i question the one-year bowl ban, specifically as it compares to what USC got. USC’s administration fought the NCAA at every step of the way throughout the entire investigation, and violations were severe… and they get a two-year bowl ban. i know the OSU athletic dept. wasn’t going out of its way to punish themselves, but they appeared to at least cooperate throughout and the violations weren’t comparable in severity to USC. the digeronimo thing certainly came at a bad time and i accept that that’s probably what got us the bowl ban, but i’m still not sure it was warranted, compared to USC.
other than the NCAA declaring they would not be held to precedent, am i missing something that justifies the bowl ban?
Show them Ohio's here.
I don't think the ban is too harsh.
It’s been clear that the NCAA has bought OSU’s argument that Tressel was a solo bad actor. However, that never seemed to make logical sense given that A) a real investigation following the initial accusations should have uncovered the e-mails and B) the school’s defense of Tressel right up to the day that he was expendable.
To an outsider, both the ineptitude and cravenness of some of that called out for a harsher punishment. It appears as though the NCAA disagreed until the Buckeye players kept breaking rules with a booster. Thus, I’m ok with how things ended up.
This also fits for me given the fact that I think the NCAA was TOO harsh on USC (since their evidence “proving” that USC should have know about all the Bush shenanigans was tenuous at best).
I guess I don't understand your rationalization for the anti-bowl ban stance.
OSU committed a lesser penalty and was punished to a lesser degree. OSU’s punishment features fewer lost scholarships and a shorter post-season ban. Relative to USC, this seems like a perfectly fine punishment.
by The Mexican't on Dec 20, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
i guess from my view
half the bowl ban would sort of more-or-less equate to half the severity, and my impression is that compared to USC’s violations, ours were significantly less egregious, to the point that a bowl ban shouldn’t be in the picture. that could be bias, i don’t know, but that’s how i see it. on its own though, without looking at USC, i think the punishment is fair.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 20, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
The Sugar Bowl fiasco last year made a bowl ban pretty much a certainty.
Regardless of whether that was OSU-instigated or B1G-instigated (the “please let them play this time, we’ll suspend them next year” bit), when it came out later that Tressel had long known the players in question had committed eligibility-compromising violations, the perception was that OSU had just made the NCAA into a laughingstock. Without that, I think it’s about 50-50 at worst whether you get a bowl ban. But because of that, there was no way to avoid at least one year and I thought it entirely possible that you would get two years (the NCAA report says they did, in fact, consider a multi-year bowl ban).
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Well, that's a fair point
When Delany and Sugar Bowl officials petitioned the NCAA to play, Delany and bowl officials were told by Smith that there was nothing else that would come out…then Tressel’s coverup came out.
That might have sealed a bowl ban fate right there, even if OSU self banned this year.
If Gene Smith had resigned, do you think OSU gets a bowl ban?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
If he resigned and they self-banned this year (before the season), that might have done it.
Hard to predict much of anything when the NCAA Committee on Infractions is involved, but that might have been enough. I don’t think throwing in an “oh, we went 6-6, I guess we’ll turn down a bowl bid this year as penance” in November would have helped, though.
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Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
and...
What happens if JT stays in the NFL route? Nothing? I think he’d be a good NFL coordinator, asst
NFL doesn't normally penalize people for college infractions
(unless your name is Terrelle Pryor)
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(I used quptes bc not having to capitvely watch five COlts games this season sans Peyton is hardly a punishment, IMO)
I have Colts season tickets
Can I serve five games and get my money back?
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If only it was that simple . . .
Of course, unless you JUST picked those up & this is your first season of paying for those 10 awful games, I have no sympathy for you – you had a hell of a run for the past decade or so.
Sixth season
I got them just before they started a waiting list because Brees was coming through with San Diego and I wanted to see him. It was easier (and cheaper) to get season tix and sell about half than to get the games I wanted on the secondary market. We got very lucky in that we bought in about 4 weeks before the season with no wait list. They now have an extensive wait list and we’re in.
Thank God we sold half the games this year BEFORE Manning had hte last surgery. it only means we have one godawful game Thursday night left to watch and we made good money
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Terelle Pryor deserved his punishment
Roger Goodell did something, well, good!
by LincolnParkWildcat on Dec 20, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
awww
cute!
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by Graham Filler on Dec 20, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Just about right
except I think it should have been a two year bowl ban. The TAT5 and Tressel should not have been in the Sugar bowl so add a year.
Just started reading this
It reminded me of the part of this that really would upset me as a fan. The things they were selling, awards for beating a hated rival, bit ten championship rings, etc.. I would like to think that these things are as important to the players as they are to the fans. I think it would just drive me nuts as a fan of the team and those players knowing that hey may or may not actually care about the team and university.
DRUNJIFORNICATION
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on Dec 20, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what pissed me off the most, at least when this whole thing broke
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I'd like to believe that most players would be less than willing to part with those items.
OSU’s players, however, had become so used to beating Michigan and winning the BigTen that they may have taken the awards for granted and figured they’d have a replacement in a year.
by The Mexican't on Dec 20, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not going to look it up
But I believe that almost all of them were fresh or soph. I’m not sure they had the perspective of someone who had been in the program long enough to understand the meaning behind having those items.
Amateur Integrity
The B1G has alway prided itself on keep the game amateur. The giving of valuable items like gold pants should be considered payments and OSU given additional probation time for it. I think 3 years probation is most reasonable for the conference penalties.
by James Rinkevich on Dec 21, 2011 2:05 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I could be wrong, but this is BS....
from the COI report: “However, the former head coach acknowledges now that he should not have allowed those concerns to override his duty to report possible NCAA violations.”
I read Tressel’s testimony. I recall no such admission by Tressel. He said explicitly that in hindsight he would have “gone to the University legal department, because it’s a federal issue. But [he] would not have gone to compliance.”
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions
Furthermore...
This statement: “He offered no excuses for his decision and understands the very serious nature of this case.”
is directly contradicted by the following statement just a few sentences earlier in the same damn paragraph: “He prioritized those concerns as: i) his focus on the safety of the studentathletes; ii) the gravity of the federal criminal investigation, and; iii) the purported request for confidentiality made by the individual who provided the information.”
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't read the COI report
But I’m speculating that the “concerns” were perhaps Tressel’s concerns for Pryor and his association with the drgu dealing tat guy, which IIRC, is the reason he gave for going straight to TP’s mentor as opposed to the AD.
More garbage...
“Indeed the local attorney said that he warned the former head coach that the tattoo parlor owner was a drug dealer and that student-athletes should avoid him, “frankly, for their own safety.”"
And they have the balls to say this: “The committee believes that had he truly been concerned with the student-athletes’ wellbeing, he would have immediately contacted the institution’s compliance office and perhaps the institution’s office of general counsel.”…. right… because NCAA compliance is the best case to go when you’re afraid for your players’ safety… “perhaps” the office of general counsel? “Perhaps”? If I was scared for my players’ safety, I would certainly go to general counsel (as Tressel admitted he should have done) before ever going to compliance.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Tressel spent many years in Youngstown, OH
How can they judge what they think are the best actions to keep someone safe? In Youngstown, the best way to stay safe is to “shut up” and not say anything. Hell, a the DA got whacked by the mob while Tressel was coach at YSU.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Well, the judge's job is to judge
And in his judgement (and judgment), he felt that Tress barked up the wrong trees when looking out for his player’s safety.
Way better ways of handling
As I said way back when Tressel admitted he forwarded the email (before it was know he forwarded to Sarzinak), if he forwarded that email to an attorney, whether personal or with the university’s general counsel, who could then reach out to the US Attoney/FBI to gauge the seriousness and then make a determination as to what to do, i’d have been ok . The NCAA might have recognized that the criminal investigation trumped petty NCAA violations.
The NCAA’s moralizing about the compliance office is bullshit, but in the end, it’s all on tress.
I agree.
There were better ways of handling it. Tress screwed up, no doubt. Sould have gone to general counsel, who I’m sure would have then contacted the US Attorney, where everything could have been cleared up, his mind could have been put at ease, and then he could have gone to compliance once he knew that there was no involvement with any of Rife’s illegal activities. But as you said, the NCAA moralizing about compliance is just total BS.
by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
You know what is almost assuredly not the best way to keep them safe?
To tell no one.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I'm fine with it
Look OSU fans. Let’s be real here for a second. Until today, you guys were sitting pretty. Yeah, you had a crappy 6-6 season. But what was all the news coming out of the state south of the mitten state? You hired one of the better free market coaches available, and you were getting recruiting coups left and right. It seemed like whatever penalty you self-imposed wasn’t having all that much impact on your program.
Now, do I think that the infractions that OSU committed were all that bad? Not really. Not as compared to Miami and to the quasi-legal practices of most of the SEC. But that being said, getting punished is supposed to suck. And after 2012 you’ve still got Urban Meyer, a bunch of five star recruits, and a division that has rivals but no clear top dog, given that PSU is down for a while and the Badgers and Spartans are likely only getting weaker.
So, yeah, it sucks. But that’s football.
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And by division I meant conference, since I included MSU in that list
Off Tackle Empire - Ruling over the Big Ten since 2008.
You take your rational thought
and GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE!!!
/George Costanza’s dad’d
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Mixed reaction, on one hand, guess I can buy a Big Ten championship trophy
On the other….. I guess I’ll say it’s easy how to see now how the media can deal in some farcical platitude when dealing with one school, especially and specifically ESPN. So maybe things were overblown. Maybe they weren’t. At this point, I want some positive news about college football
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 20, 2011 3:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ticket, trophy, autocorrect, etc
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 20, 2011 3:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ice, we're finally on the same page
I guess I’ll say it’s easy how to see now how the media can deal in some farcical platitude when dealing with one school, especially and specifically ESPN.
Now if I could just convince at least one PSU’er that we didn’t spend the last decade cheating our way into championships and BCS bowls — I’d consider today a victory.
Not many people think you did, at least not on BSD
As for the Rivals, 24/7, & Scout people, well, they’re odd and I avoid them
I mean, we are still kinda rivals though. Can’t spread too much love, right? Haha.
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 20, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Man, to think if Tressel
had just gone straight to compliance and they reported to NCAA as soon as they found out, the Tat 5 get a 2 or 3 game suspension, Tressel is still coaching, and none of this would’ve happened.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Probably 4
based on Julio Jone’s selling his bowl jersey.
Okay, 4 games
Still, we avoid the year long shitstorm we just endured.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
AJ Green at Georgia
But your assessment is probably right.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Dec 20, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Right AJ green
I in no way meant to besmirch Julio JOnes’ spotless reputation.
I don't care what anyone says
I just heard the Ninja Turtles theme song on on my iPod. I love the shuffle setting.
Carry on.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:04 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
After reading into this thread....
MSU fans are just straight bitter. Look you guys are bad. you’re going to lose your bowl this year. you’re going to have trouble funding your scholarships without the OSU bowl revenue. deal with it.
by BuckeyeBob on Dec 20, 2011 4:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
our Final 4 money will keep us in the black.
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From which year?
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
1999 2000 2001 2003 2005 2008
Pick one
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Too bad the MSU highlight of 2011-12 will be
losing on an aircraft carrier.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 20, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Better than losing at Allen Fieldhouse to a team that just lost to Davidson.
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You know you have a good program
When the best your detractors can do is say “Hah, you didn’t make the Final Four this year!”
by Ozymandias on Dec 20, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Not 2003, that was Elite 8.
And not 2008 either. 2009 and 2010, though …
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Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Thanks. There's just so damn many of them, I get confused sometimes.
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I'm not arrogant about my basketball program. I just know it's better than yours.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
i.e. not this year
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
We shall see.
Hard to get a particularly good handle on them with so many freshmen and the two biggest tests coming in the first two games, but never, ever count out an MSU team in March.
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Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
for that to be true wouldn’t i have to be wrong? considering your college athletics program is in the red generally….
Most of them are
but then again, so are most movies Hollywood makes.
But nobody in the B1G is really hurting for money. And they all make damn sure the football cash cow is well fed.
"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer
OSU is in the black
and carries a lot of the burden for the rest of the conference.
Do you suck your own dick too?
Iowa has always been in the black too, dont see us taking credit for everthing happening in the BIG do ya?
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 20, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
only during bowl season
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 20, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Purdue is in the black too.
Not everything in the B10 begins and ends with the almighty aOSU
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"9:30"
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by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 21, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FALSE
You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)
by BuckeyeSki on Dec 21, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this a "right" statement?
Look you guys are bad. you’re going to lose your bowl this year. you’re going to have trouble funding your scholarships without the OSU bowl revenue.
As we learned from Enron, Worldcom etc. financial statements can say anything you want them to say.
Except for the grossly short sighted decision MSU made in 1996, I haven’t heard anything about MSU cutting programs or scholarships.
by MSULaxer27 on Dec 20, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, no it's not.
The last several years, the MSU athletic department has operated at net profit, with no funding from the university or student fees, and even contributes money back towards the school’s general fund.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
with a little basic math....
without the big ten network money….or the contribution to profit share from OSU….then where are you? case in point. additionally where is your football coach from again?
"profit share?"
Sorry pal, this isn’t MLB.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Yeah MSU is rolling right now
10 straight W’s, inlcuding over two ranked teams, only one by less than 10 points. This team is getting better each game, and will be a serious threat in the B1G this season.
MSU is #19....
you lost to 2 ranked teams, beat the Zags, and lost to a team OSU DESTROYED! OSU could take MSU by 20 w/o Sully.
Bob
Check which ranking Flakbait is referring to (it’s the one in his link – just position your mouse where is says Michigan State, #16, and then right click).
I went off of ESPN as of yesterday
giving the benefit of the doubt by selecting the higher
Sorry to flame you earlier
I was just in a pissy mood. But I wouldn’t sleep on this seaon’s MSU team – I haven’t seen the Spartans play this well as a team since probably the run in the ’09 tourney to the title game.
There is a ton of talent on the floor, a clear floor leader in Draymond Green, and the team is playing aggressive D. Shots have been dropping as of late, and with a little luck and continued improvement (5 of the players in the rotation are freshman, plus a transfer is starting), this squad will be dangerous come March.
Welcome to the free world!
CBS will launch a 24/7 network like ESPN on the 2nd of January, if you’re wondering
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 20, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
two 24hr SEC networks. great
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but at least CBS is kinda credible
I mean, I guess it’s like picking Purdue over Indiana
/potshot
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 20, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
That's NBC, I think.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
Great thing about basketball....
….we actually get to play the game instead of letting pollsters decide.
OSU could take MSU by 20 w/o Sully.
We shall see.
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Without Sullinger
Ohio State is a fringe-top 25 team. There simply is no depth, and you won’t play South Carolina/Missouri-Kansas City’s forever.
With a healthy Sullinger, Ohio State is a top-5 team.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
wow couldn't be more wrong....
OSU in unbelievably deep. we just got our top recruit from this year to be eligible. our 6th man just had a 30 pt game. out backups could start almost anywhere in the nation. are you serious?
Yeah
which is why you have so many players averaging more than 5 points per game.
How’s that 3-point shooting going without Threebler in the lineup?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 20, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Matta doesn't play more than 7, its dumb i agree...
but yeah it’s going fine i guess…..?
*deep everywhere but PF/C
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
wrong.
Thompson, Weatherspoon, LeQuinten Ross? Amir Williams? even Ravenel is serviceable. those are all 4 and 5 stars except Rav.
dude really??
Amir Williams looks to be someone with potential, but as far as a guy that can start and be productive… there’s a huige drop off after Sully at that spot.
LeQuinton Ross doesn’t even play the same position. He’s a wing player,.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
i disagree...
He’s 6’8" and can play PF on a college level for sure.
he's 6'8"
but he’s also 195lbs….
WING PLAYER
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
VOLLEYBALL PLAYER
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
correction
he’s up to 225.
still a wing
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
it's not a matter of what position they say he plays
it’s a matter or style of play. is he going to effectively play center against most team like Sullinger does? Back guys down in the paint etc? you’re missing my point.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
i'm done..
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
OSU fans thought they were going to get off easy, and they actually did!
They deserved more but this will suffice!
OSU fans asking for trolling to stop?
pot, meet kettle
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 20, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions
Does OSU have any already-graduated 5th year studs next year?
You may want to keep an eye out for Bret Bielema trolling around Columbus. “Hey, you want a chance to play in 1 more big bowl game next year?”
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I think Bauserman has some PT left in him....
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
HEY COACH BIELEMA!
WE’VE GOT A 5TH-YEAR QB FOR YOU TO CHECK OUT!
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 20, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
This would be too delicious for words.
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Urb has already made that call.
/LIKE A BAUS’d
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Sausage Cramming or Buttermilk Churning
I doubt OSU has those grad programs
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
those both sound dirty
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Spitting on opponents players after basketball games?
I know that’s a marque program there
/proven to be false
//OSU fans blindly follow anyway
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
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by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
he's probably in the clear with those
but Turfgrass Science is out, we’ve got that one.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Dec 20, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Bowl bans automatically come with a transfer waiver for players whose eligibility will run out during the ban.
They don’t even have to be already-graduated players.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
My problem is not WHAT the punishment is, but WHEN it is.
The 2012 bowl? Really? After two coaching staffs, and the graduation of the students that actually committed the violations, as apposed to the 2010 Sugar Bowl which would have made sense? Oh, and those scholarships that NCAA is revoking, would any of them have gone to the perpetrators? NO! They would have gone to some freshmen who has done nothing wrong and just wants to get his education. As usual the NCAA is closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out. They think that by punishing the NAME and not the actual INDIVIDUALS, they can fool us into thinking they have everything under control. If………no….When I am made emperor, my first decree will be that all scholarships are retroactively revokable (i.e. if you are caught cheating, you must pay back the tuition for the calendar year you committed the violation, even if you are not in college any more).
END RANT
Don't be that guy.
by Wolf-fang on Dec 20, 2011 5:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You can blame Gene Smith for the bowl ban issue.
He’s the one who didn’t think it was necessary to skip out on the Gator Bowl after all.
You gotta wonder if
other ADs across the country will make note of this. The trend on here is that the OSU AD’s office messed up by not inflicting enough punishment when it had the chance.
It almost seems like the NCAA should be able to tell the schools “suggested punishments” that would avoid this situation – namely, dragging this thing out ANOTHER season.
Doesn’t it seem absurd that violations in the 2010 season, that were actually discovered before that season’s bowl happened, are being punished in the 2012 bowl?
To Clarify:
I love Buckeye Schadenfreude as much as the next guy, but this is not an OSU problem. It is a collegiate problem. As long as the violators can always jump to greener pastures when they as caught, (cough NFL cough), this will keep happening
Don't be that guy.
Translation
I dont want to be punished during a season where we may do better than 6-6.
i wonder, if OSU went undefeated and was in the national title game, would you still be saying this?
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Dec 20, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I saw a suggestion (I think from Brian Cook) during the USC fiasco
that was along the lines of individuals involved are punished immediately, bowl bans and severe scholarship losses go into effect three years down the road so as to punish the school without undue disadvantage to the players who are already there and not at fault. I’m not entirely sure I agree (a delay in enforcement makes it too easy to continue to reap short-term rewards), but it is an interesting option which would hamstring the program down the road without punishing players who just happened to be there at the same time as the infractions occurred.
I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left-hand side.
Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
The main problem with bowl bans and sholarship cuts is
there is no way to apply them without hurting student-athletes that did nothing wrong. If the NCAA was bold (they’re not) what they should do is scrap those forms of punishment and instead garnish the ticket revenue of the offending schools for a period of time. Combined with the scholarship voiding I mentioned above, and NCAA punishments might actually hurt the people responsible, which is the only way to deter potential offenders.
Don't be that guy.
If the penalties start sufficiently far in the future
then present players won’t be affected, and the future ones will at least know what they’re signing up for in advance.
I’m not sure it’s the solution, but it might be an improvement.
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Bradley-Terry rankings for college football and basketball: because there aren't enough computer rankings already.
I think both Wolf-Fang & Spartan D have valid points
The system, as it’s set up, makes it very difficult to punish the actual offenders – by the time the NCAA can drop the hammer, the players are usually long since graduated (or used up eligibility), and have moved on from college, though not necesarily to be pro athletes. And coaches can bail in time too (see Pete Caroll), to escape punishment. The NCAA has no jurisdiction over non-members, so it can’t really do anything besides erase offender’s names from the record books.
A Northwestern Perspective...
tOSU: Penalties suck, but if the B1G does anything else we’ll leave and dominate the Ess Eee…err… ACC.
MSU: tOSU sucks – they took away our toys last year…
tOSU: Thugs!
MSU: Cheaters!
Iowa: Hah Hah…
Michigan: …uh…We’re above all that…we feel so bad for that school down there…Big Ten!…uh…
Northwestern: Did any of you get our Maseratis washed?
by NUMBSpiritLeader on Dec 20, 2011 6:18 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I thought we drove Ferraris
Also, lets add some more schools
Illinois, Indiana, Purdue: Good thing it’s basketball season!
PSU: I wish I had these problems instead of my problems
Wisc: Beer me brah!
Nebraska: RAWRFUCKSHITPISSATLEASTIMOUTTATHEBIG12RAWR!!!
Minnesota: Our head coach looks like a gopher
by LincolnParkWildcat on Dec 20, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maserati uses the Ferrari v8 in their cars.
so technically you’re both kind of right.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 20, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the help...
…so you get to be the valet for both our cars.
The rest of you: Start washing!
PS to LincolnParkWildcat: Nice additions…
by NUMBSpiritLeader on Dec 20, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
keep thinking that.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 21, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
This thread is such a trainwreck...
but…I….can’t…..stop….pressing…….“z”
by kmals on Dec 20, 2011 6:33 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I feel the need to say that Jim Bollman is still available and wasn't involved in anything the NCAA announced as sanctions.
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Dec 20, 2011 7:42 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
Such...truth
God, that’s funny!
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
Does a bowl ban also mean
that they cannot get the extra practices at the end of the season, even if they were to win enough games to be bowl eligible?
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
I would think so
since they wouldn’t be eligible for a bowl, they wouldn’t have the “need” for the practices. In 2007, when Iowa was bowl “eligible” but didn’t go to a bowl, they were able to practice from the end of the regular season up until the bowl selections were announced, but not after since they weren’t going (even though this was known long before) to a bowl. Since there would be no way OSU would be able to go to a bowl next year, I don’t think they would be “entitled” to the practices.
I guess for confirmation we could look at what USC is, or is not, doing.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Another easy way to answer is for an Indiana fan to post what they do after Thanksgiving
/Obvious troll is trolling.
Looks like this was a pretty crazy thread.
Out of pure curiosity and not to stir up any type of debate, do we have any idea what the witness who chose not to come forward was going to say?
That guy is probably Dohrmann's "Ellis"
So if you read Dohrmann’s SI piece, you pretty much know what he was going to say.
Yeah, Matt & Ryan over at Awful Announcing actually
Trashed the Dohrmann article while praising Robinson’s Miami investigation.
For some reason, Robinson feels obligated to defend the Dohrmann piece though.
Either he or someone pretending to be him
Commented on 11W late last night. Not sure I’d get behind that guy if I were you Biggy. He commented on the Ramzy article from Sept (?). Humble challenged his identity. I told him to repost his comment on a recent article if he wanted his post to get read.
More tweets from Robinson. This is guy is making some pretty bold statements for someone who is relying on a fellow journalists due diligence.
And none of that is relevant
unless you can demonstrate actual instance of bias. And no, being critical of your school is not “evidence” of bias
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Just so you know Hoya
I consider you the Iowa-version of Biggy. (IOW, arguing with you is poiintless and not worth my time.)
And please take this as a compliment… I bet you’re a very good lawyer. (I seem to recall your mentioning that as your occupation once.)
Apologies to Biggy. Much love bro.
Actually Robinson is an MSU grad.
I assume by tsun you mean UM
"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach
Save you some time, in case you haven't seen it in a while
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.html
The Ellis stuff starts on page three.
Yeah, 24 hours later
and this is still a train wreck. Ithought this might have been a bad dream and would only rememebr in mental snapshots, much like a drinking binge hangover ‘what the hell happened last night’ kind of deal. But no.
Choo. Choo.
"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.
by Ted Glover on Dec 21, 2011 3:45 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I choo choo choose to not participate in this thread anymore.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 21, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
ooops reply & pic fail
sorry SouthBay
by MSUDersh on Dec 21, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
One of the best episodes ever
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 21, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
You can actually pinpoint the second when SBB's heart rips in half
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
haha
:(
“ahh chocolate never comes out”
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 22, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Shit's on fire, yo
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