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The Absolutely, Positively, Last Thing I Will Write About Tatgate

So yesterday's thread escalated quickly. I mean, it got out of hand. I felt like killing two or three posters with a trident, but I would've had to find a safe board, lay low for awhile, maybe stay in my mom's basement until it all blew over.

But as a proud SB Nation blogger, I already live in my mom's basement, so that would've required me to go out and socialize with people. Fuck and that. So I issue this disclaimer before we continue:

I think this site is unique for a couple reasons--it's conference, not team specific, and it has a pretty large audience. Some team sites draw huge audiences, some conference sites talk about everyone, but we do both pretty well. So I'm going to ask, without calling out anyone by name, that everyone keep in mind a couple things before posting here:

1) This isn't your team's blog. Whatever your opinion is on your team and what they did or didn't do--on or off the field--expect a lot of differing views. If someone disagrees, that's cool, and should be expected. Don't get butthurt when your opinion isn't the majority one.

2) At some point, the differing views become like the abortion debate--you're not going to change their mind, they're not going to change yours. Let it go. It's okay. Debate is cool and encouraged here; hell with 12 teams it's expected, but at some point the horse is still dead. Lay the stick down, okay?

3) Most people are pretty good at this, so this is directed for the 'one in every crowd' guy/gal: there's no place for personal insults. Disagree with the opinion without being personally insulting.

I am glad that Tatgate over. I'm as sick of writing about it as you are reading about it.

HOWEVAH...

Now that this is finished, I want to take one last look at this, and see how this affects OSU and the B1G overall, because this will have long and short term implications for OSU and the conference at large.

And then I will speak of this no more. I agree it's time to move on, but I hope you don't feel I'm still killing the horse here.

Let's look at some things that come out of this, after the jump.

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All things considered, I ain't even mad, bro

Star-divide

OSU AD Gene Smith needs to resign: I have to say, I was surprised that OSU got the one year bowl ban. But in retrospect, I'm surprised that I was surprised. It was my own fault for putting my faith in anything Smith had to say regarding this scandal, as he has been one to two steps behind this from the very beginning. Since this broke last December and he proclaimed 'I'm confident that nothing else will come of this' to that disastrous press conference with him, Jim Tressel, and G. Gordon Gee, Smith's handling of this has been amateurish, at best. The capper was a self assuring arrogance telling anyone who would listen that the added Failure To Monitor Charge with the DiGeronimo stuff wouldn't affect the final ruling. The Failure To Monitor is a direct reflection on Smith and his office, and the University as a whole, and he needs to step aside.

Oh, one thing about going to a bowl this year. I can't fault Smith for not imposing a bowl ban this year, as there is no way of telling if that would have been sufficient for the NCAA. They might have slapped down a bowl ban next year anyway, and he made a good case that a lot of seniors on this team that didn't have anything to do with Tatgate fought through a lot of adversity to get to the Gator Bowl, and they should be able to go. On that, I agree with him.

On, Wisconsin!: Quick, name a team in the Leaders division that can contend with Bucky next year. Sure, OSU theoretically can, but the bowl ban also means that they can't participate in the conference championship game if they were to qualify, so they're out. Illinois? New coach, losing a lot of talent, and they weren't as good as we thought, anyway. Penn State? Their problems make Tatgate look miniscule in comparison (hint: they are miniscule in comparison), and there is no Urban Meyer-type coach to come in and save the recruiting class while propping up a fanbase that's been kicked in the guts. Purdue? Decent team, but not at the level of Wisconsin. If Indiana is a serious contender for the Leaders division next year, that means the Mayan Apocalypse is, in fact, real. And at that point, football will be the last goddamn thing on my mind.

Wisconsin might as already raise the '2012 Leaders Division Champion' pennant at Camp Randall, as there is no one that can stop them...regardless of who their quarterback is. But I would enjoy it if I was Bucky, because come 2013, OSU is going to be a buzzsaw. A pissed off buzzsaw. A talented, pissed off buzzsaw. A talented, pissed off buzzsaw looking to take it out on the B1G. And I so hope they do.

Recruiting: There is no denying that Urban Meyer has had an immediate impact on the recruiting trail, getting several 4 and 5 star recruits to either flip, commit, or re-commit to OSU in his short tenure as coach. I don't sit in the living room when Meyer gives his sales pitch to a recruit, but I'm sure part of it was along the lines of 'don't worry about the sanctions, they aren't long term'. Was he right? If he said that, yes. If he said 'we aren't getting a bowl ban', then he could potentially have an issue. Fortunately, it looks like he said something like the former, as every big name recruit Meyer has landed has reaffirmed that they have not changed their mind regarding their decision. At least today. However, it might stunt some of the momentum that OSU had up until this point, and it could open the door for other B1G schools and give them a leg up on kids that haven't made a final decision. And as indecisive as kids are, combined with the way out of proportion attention we give them in regards to where they decide what college they'll attend, it wouldn't surprise me if somebody does flip away from OSU.

Stop with the 'AP National Championship' Crap: One of the rallying cries I've heard coming from the 'Birther Truther' wing of the OSU fan base is 'well, let's just go out and win the AP National Title WOOOOOOO'. That's stupid, and unrealistic. If there's any positive that comes out of this, at least for Meyer and the team on the field, it's that they'll be able to play loose, with no expectations, for an entire year. Hopefully, it will allow Braxton Miller to learn and grow under the tutelage of Meyer, and will give them some serious momentum for 2013. Some of these highly touted kids he's recruiting he'll be able to redshirt if he wants, and with no pressure of chasing a title of any kind, I think it might help speed the development of the young talent he is amassing in Columbus.

If there's one downside to the Meyer buzz, it's the unrealistic expectations some OSU fans have put on him in year one. He has a hell of a resume, so I can understand where people are coming from, and although he's currently dealing with the off the field legacy of Jim Tressel, he also has to live up to the on the field one, too. And that's as much of a gorilla as the off the field stuff has become. Tressel's 10 year run on the field will be tough, if not impossible, to replicate. This helps give him a running start towards 2013.

Whither future law breakers? A lot of people are saying that the NCAA 'sent a message' by giving OSU a bowl ban for next year, and I agree to an extent. What does the future holds for North Carolina, South Carolina, and Miami? Miami and the Carolinas could be in for a serious smackdown, if this is in fact the new bar for the NCAA. What will the NCAA do to Penn State? As for them, I honestly don't think they should get involved. The NCAA investigates cheating in an academic environment and how that cheating affects athletics and maintaining a level playing field for all schools.

What's going on at Penn State is something that is way, way beyond that, and I think it's out of the NCAA's firing lane. That should be reserved for the courts and law enforcement, and the NCAA should steer clear. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Those are fair questions, but as a Buckeye fan I'm worried what happens if OSU gets into trouble again while on probation. If this is the new standard, any mis-step makes you think they will get absolutely hammered, and USC-like sanctions would be imposed. Stay out of trouble, okay guys?

And with that, Tatgate comes to an end. Not really with a bang, but not really with a whimper, either.

But at least it ends. Thanks for reading.

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Your logic is sound

A good take on the whole situation.

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If it made sense, it wouldn't be the BCS.

by John Veldhuis on Dec 21, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Well done Ted

ESPECIALLY this: Stop with the ‘AP National Championship’ Crap

I’m admittedly an arrogant tOSU fan, and even I think this is ridiculous. While I don’t think the bowl ban was necessary, I accept it, and it’s time to take the medicine

You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)

by BuckeyeSki on Dec 21, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

x

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by NorthernStar on Dec 21, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

AP National Champs?

You mean USC in 2003?

ONEPEAT

HELP IS ON THE WAY

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 21, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

AUBURN SHOULD HAVE WON IT ALL IN 2004, PAWWWWL

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 21, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Finnebaum is pretty much a professional troll.

Either that, or he is the best at pandering to his audience.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

You say to-MAY-toe

I say to-MAH-toe

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 21, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't help but think of jNW with that On, Wisconsin! bit

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Dec 21, 2011 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

I miss the old days of the Natty being decided by writers

At least back then, the bowls seemed to have more meaning, and we didn’t have some screwey system that is designed to create the best possible matchup, but has morphed into creating a class system of bowls.

And not to mention, it deliberately boxes out non-AQ schools that otherwise fit the BCS criteria. I mean, matching up Boise with TCU in the season in which both were undefeated? Now THAT is a freaking joke.

by MSUDersh on Dec 21, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

"morphed into creating a class system of bowls"

does that make jNW the most highly educated serf, ever?!

You win with people (not named Joe Bauserman)

by BuckeyeSki on Dec 21, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

isn't it weird?

When the BCS started most people thought it would put an end to all this horse S, and in the end it’s ended up being worse. It’s definitely morphed in to a shit storm.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 21, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

IMO, the BCS is like Communism:

It works on paper but in real life, notsomuch.

by MSUDersh on Dec 21, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Who says it isn't still decided by the writers?

Do you think anyone else wanted to see a regular season rematch in the NC game?

Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference

by ProveIt on Dec 22, 2011 4:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Good call

So here’s my correction: I miss the old days of the Natty being acknowledged as being decided by the writers.

Screw this, “objective formula to determine the proper teams” crap.

I think what the architects of the BCS were going for was like what a well-known scientist predicted would happen should computers be used for dating: “. . .the computer matches would be so perfect as to eliminate the thrill of romantic conquest.”

by MSUDersh on Dec 22, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You can easily knock the BCS...

…but I don’t think this one is on them.

They realized there would be years when the pools didn’t have a consensus 1 and 2. The computer polls have been nominalized to the point they only decide if it is a virtual toss up by the voters.

I don’t think the BCS foresaw media outlets like ESPN promoting matchups favorable to their broadcasting lineup. It wasn’t that long ago a rematch between tOSU and tSUN was nixed by the sports writers, now they are promoting it?

Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference

by ProveIt on Dec 22, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

There was also a key time differential

in the non-rematch between OSU and Michigan versus the LSU-Alabama rematch. In the immediate aftermath of the OSU-Michigan game, ESPN was out in the forefront pushing the rematch argument. The problem was there wasn’t much time between the game and the end of the season, so when a backlash to the idea began, it held sway, and MIchigan missed the cut. The same dynamic was at play this year: ESPN (and others) immediately pushed a rematch; a backlash to that rematch develops and became the default assumption. The difference this year was that there was enough time for a backlash to the backlash to develop, thus rematch proponents were able to chip away at the arguments against it until it had reestablished itself as the default assumption.

Still shouldn’t happen though

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 23, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Solid point, but...

The backlash against tOSU-tSUN rematch came from the media and fans.
The backlash against the LSU-Bama rematch came from the fans with the press defending.
It is not as if the rematch wasn’t being set until the very last week of the season, but it held throughout.

Still shouldn’t happen though.
Darn right! You only get to see each team play 12-14 out of 120 teams a year… rematches in the CCGs are bad enough – there shouldn’t be rematches in any bowl.

I am s strong proponent of financial consideration in college sports. It is amateur athletics, and anything that drops funding ultimately hits the student athletes.

…but ESPN has began to cross the line.
Scheduling already existed in the bowl affiliations.
It is beginning to pop up in issues such as playing 8 or 9 conference games.
Then ESPN began scheduling regular season OOC games (ex. – Noisy vs. Uga).
How long before they begin scheduling the conference games (ex. – require tOSU-tSUN-Nebraska-PSU-Wisc to play each other yearly in their broadcast contract).

Conference expansion has to 1st get broadcaster approval outside the B1G and PAC.
You can argue the SEC additions were a no brainer.
There is no doubt ESPN dictated who the ACC was allowed to add – Syracuse and Pitt will not add appreciably to the ACC shared revenue.
It was expansion for the sake of expansion because they wanted expansion for the ACC, a substantial drop in value just before broadcast contract negotiations for the East.

Conference dissolution may be part of ESPN’s longer term plans.
The East has become a 3/4 major (half way between mid major and major).
The mid majors are quickly becoming FCS+ An entire mid major season broadcast rights will be worth less than a single mid major game.
The B12 is down to 2 noteworthy NCAAF draws, and an ESPN program network makes it difficult for 1 of these to move to the PAC or B1G.

Not content, where the decision used to be driven by thousands of sportswriters, coaches, and former players nationwide, now ESPN is leading the talking points on who should be considered for the NCG, and everyone else is following along.

ESPN is expanding to effect individual program reputation. I cannot claim to be unbiased on tOSU, but PSU is getting hammered while the Miami, Cam, and other stories get buried at the end of the cycle – if they had camped out on the Cam story as aggressively as tOSU, USC would probably not be the only program with a vacated NC.

It is not as if the decisions ESPN is making are good decisions. I’ve joined the group who will quit watching the 2011-2012 season on January 8th.
Who is the idiot who thought it would be a good idea to simultaneously play 4 B1G bowls, and have them playing the same opposing conference in 3 of them?

…which is why I call for the formation of the 52 team uber conference…

Proud proponent of the 52 team Uber Conference

by ProveIt on Dec 23, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

These are some valid points

but I think that a lot of them are irrelevant, to some extent, to the B1G, and that’s because of the success of the Big Ten Network.

The great thing that Delany has that none of the other conferences has with ESPN is leverage—the B1G still owns all the games, and when the contract with ESPN expires Delany (or whoever the commish will be) will be in a unique position—they’ll be able to dicate terms, to an extent, oO ESPN, as opposed to vice versa.

If he doesn’t like what he hears, he can yank all his stuff off of ESPN, put it on BTN or Fox (blech), and give the WWL a big middle finger.

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by Ted Glover on Dec 27, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

TWO articles in less than 24 hours about this Ted?

Don’t you think that’s overdoing it?

/every OTE commenter’d

I keed, I keed

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Dec 21, 2011 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

Ted’s not really a person. He’s an internet bot that picks up random internet information and writes articles. The Ted-bot has turned out to be surprisingly logical. And the whole not human thing makes him great for posting content.

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by Graham Filler on Dec 21, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

As a computer scientist

This would be pretty much the most remarkable development of the year. There’s currently several research projects going on at NU that aim to accomplish exactly that. Where can we get the Ted-bot source code?

by pfoley on Dec 21, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh, not a techy, but Ted-Bot picks up spam, message board threads, The Economist, anything on 11 warriors, and all searches aimed at Kim Kardashian.

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by Graham Filler on Dec 21, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope it's not self aware

If Ted-bot becomes sky-net we’re in trouble. I’m not too worried yet, if ted-bot has to store all searches aimed at Kim Kardashian there goes 99% of it’s time.

by surfmen93 on Dec 21, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, I've kept Ted-Bot busy, then.

And that’s BEFORE counting my spam, message board threads, Economist articles, and 11 Warriors posts.

by MNWildcat on Dec 21, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The reasonable responses are making me sad...

…as I put away my new popcorn.gif.

/sobs, has nothing to do with an ACL.

by GoAUpher on Dec 21, 2011 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

I for one enjoyed the tire fire that was yesterday's thread

I’ve always enjoyed watching internet fights from the sidelines.

by wallrock on Dec 21, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah man

That thread will go down in infamy.

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by Graham Filler on Dec 21, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for subtle historical references.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 21, 2011 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

According to recruits

they were prepared for these sanctions. They have all said that Urbz did inform them of the possibility, and made no false promises to them.

by biggy84 on Dec 21, 2011 12:46 PM CST reply actions  

Hmmmmm.....
I felt like killing two or three posters with a trident

Feelings of violence from a Buckeye towards random internet posters? Now I see why the “key witness” declined to testify.

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by Spartan D on Dec 21, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions  

Well since you mentioned abortion...

Oh god please don’t ban me… It was a joke!

by Brutus89 on Dec 21, 2011 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

I really hope this...

I really hope this is the last post. Jeebus.

by Good Ol' Oakley on Dec 21, 2011 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

Both Smith & Gee should go!

As an outsider, it was typical of the old network to support the Vest in the beginning of this whole affair, then they threw him to the wolves, and hoping (and betting) that their self-imposed slaps-on-the-wrists would appease the NCAA wieners.

It didn’t and I personally feel that OSU got off easy.

That being said, you need to get rid of both Smith & Gee, and bring in some new blood. Gee made an ass out of himself (and OSU) last year with his ‘little sisters’ shit, and Smith definitely didn’t perform like a respectable AD during this whole thing.

With Meyer on board already, replace Smith & Gee and get a complete new start – they are still part of the problem there.

That being said, we’re looking forward to October 6th in Columbus next year, taking you on at home!

GBR!

by MSS1960 on Dec 21, 2011 1:38 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

i've said it before, but it's worth repeating

i’ll fight anyone who says gee should be fired over this. gee slipped up and made the university look bad in the public eye, but his remarks had no actual bearing on the case, and he’s a fantastic university president. looking at the ohio state university as a sports team, and seeing gee as if he’s the “team owner” to smith’s “general manager,” is such a tremendous discredit to the job gee has done in his tenure as well as to the university as a whole.

on another note, i had an amazing time in lincoln for the game this year and i can’t wait to return some of the hospitality we were shown.

Show them Ohio's here.

by slidingscrapes on Dec 21, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Smith yes

but you could probably convince me that Gee shouldn’t be canned. I’ll be the first to admit that the ‘I hope Jim doesn’t fire me’ comment was about as facepalm as facepalm can get, but athletics is only a portion of what a university president does.

Granted, when things go south, it’s a lot more high profile than anything else, but Gee has done a lot of tremendous things as OSU’s president.

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by Ted Glover on Dec 21, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

If Smith isn't gone by the end of Jan, I'd be surprised.

Gee is another matter though.

I get it that our “brand” as a university is infinitely tied to the football program. But in spite of the f***-ups, Gee has been behind an unheard of level of rejuvenation in just about every aspect of the university: academic rankings, facilities, the level of new faculty hires, community relations, future planning. Just about every area EXCEPT our athletic endeavors.

I think tOSU Board of Trustees realize this and getting rid of Gee is the last thing on their mind.

As an aside, if you met Gee I guarantee you’d come away liking the guy. He’s very personable.

by NC_Buckeye on Dec 21, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

ran into him in a dance club on senior crawl in the spring.

also let me into his office, unannounced, to take pictures as part of a photography assignment.

VERY cool guy.

Show them Ohio's here.

by slidingscrapes on Dec 21, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

So Gee was out gettin' jiggy wit it? LOL

Seriously, though, OSU is a terrific university and from all I’ve heard about Gee, he has done a good job with the institution.
Using a sports team as the “face” of an entire school is really a bad idea for any university, and I highly doubt Gee or most of the alumni would wrap up the entire persona of their school in the football program.

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by Spartan D on Dec 21, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Spartan D, that's about the most positive thing you ever said about OSU.

And I thank you for your honesty.

You know, I’m going to take back some of things I said about you. You’ve…. You’ve earned it.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 21, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I said yesterday...

I have a lot of respect for OSU as a school.
The football program? Well…..uh…..it’s Christmas time so I’ll just bite my tongue

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by Spartan D on Dec 21, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it just me,

Or does Bill Murray ALWAYS look coked up?

by MSUDersh on Dec 21, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

Just wow. And I can’t believe they show Betty White’s tits in the second pic!

by MSUDersh on Dec 21, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Betty Murray + Community?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 22, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Fucking Awesome

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by BentNotBroken on Dec 21, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

“Using a sports team as the "face" of an entire school is really a bad idea for any university, and I highly doubt Gee or most of the alumni would wrap up the entire persona of their school in the football program.”

Best post in the thread

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 21, 2011 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Spartan D, I'm pretty sure Gee is as uncomfortable with that notion as you

That being a sports team serving as the “face” of the university. But I think he’s come to accept it as an unavoidable aspect of his job in Columbus.

Just as a reminder, this is Gee’s second tenure at Ohio State. The first being 90-98. He then went to Brown for 2 years. Then to Vanderbilt for 00-07 where ironically he eliminated the athletic department and consolidated its activities under the Division of Student Life. (This is what makes me think he would probably agree with you.)

He came back to tOSU from Vanderbilt.

by NC_Buckeye on Dec 21, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

This post hits it directly on the head.

However, I think is that many non-alumni do exactly this.

by MSULaxer27 on Dec 21, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

^This.

I know I’m going to come off as smug, but most of the Buckeye fans that give our fanbase a bad name aren’t even alumni. And with the Bengals and Browns sucking for almost their entire existence, and no other relevant D-I team in the state, Ohio State is unique in that we have millions of fans who have never taken a class at Ohio State, or any college for that matter. The only fight I ever personally witnessed between a Michigan fan and an Ohio State fan involved a buddy of mine because he was talking way too much smack to a Michigan fan that was really just trying to keep to himself. Not surprisingly, my buddy did not attend Ohio State. I was rather embarrassed by his antics.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 22, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I would agree with you.

It may be smug but, hey I earned my degree.

by MSULaxer27 on Dec 22, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

The Browns haven't sucked for thier ENTIRE existance

just since they came back from the dead. After all we still have 8 championships, from before the creation of the super bowl.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Dec 23, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I've met Gee and didn't like him

By most measures he’s a very good university president, but he sucks at PR in regards to sports. That said, I don’t personally care for him and I’m not entirely sold on the direction he’s trying to take OSU.

by br27 on Dec 21, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm curious

about your take on the direction he’s trying to take OSU and what you don’t like about it.

Show them Ohio's here.

by slidingscrapes on Dec 21, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure this is really the place

I think he’s too focused on internationalizing OSU and strengthening the grad student side of things at the cost of focusing on the local aspects and regular students that a state school should consider. OSU’s problems are not a lack of Chinese students or relations. Nor should OSU be too focused on forcing all the non-elite students to regional campuses. One of OSU’s strengths is the blending of rural and urban students and providing exposure to both. I say this as a former elite student who went on to grad school elsewhere.

by br27 on Dec 21, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds legit

you’re right. not the place for an in-depth discussion, and not lacking chinese students.

Show them Ohio's here.

by slidingscrapes on Dec 21, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You're the first person I've ever heard that from

Who has actually met Gee. May I ask the situation of your meeting?

by NC_Buckeye on Dec 21, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Bumped into him at a social event

We only talked briefly, so it’s not like I know him personally. He just rubs me the wrong way. Like I said, he is by most measures a good president. I just happen not to like him.

by br27 on Dec 21, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

“there is no Urban Meyer-type coach to come in and save the recruiting class while propping up a fanbase that’s been kicked in the guts.”

I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again. And probably again. And again. Potentially again. Probably not a sixth time. Until after December 23rd/January 3rd when we’ll know who the coach is

Nobody knows who the coach will be. Nobody. All we know is that the search committee has a proven record of buying HOF head coaches.

The only media that’s suggested the PSU HC search is going bad is the Pittsburgh media, and the Pittsburgh media also said Pitt was a better job than Ohio State in August, and thinks Pitt is a better job than PSU right now. Basically, they’re less credible than ESPN

/Thread derailed

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 21, 2011 2:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Smart move by the PSU BOT

Focus on the long term and doing it right the first time.

I don’t know how they are managing to keep proceedings such a secret with the amount of media scrutiny in State College right now.

by NC_Buckeye on Dec 21, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, they're flying PSU planes everywhere to throw off the people that follow radar

They’re also holding the interviews in Philly and NYC, and that’s all I know.

Well, the supposed interviews, I guess

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 21, 2011 3:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

KISS

The simple answer is that PSU is sending planes everywhere because every high profile coach doesn’t want to touch this with even a 10 yd pole. There are no candidates from Division I or II with a good enough record. PSU will need to hire a Muddy Waters.

by James Rinkevich on Dec 22, 2011 2:49 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Occam

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 22, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Reply fail. Occam's Razor says you're right.

However, even if the very-top-top-tier guys like Meyer or Kelly don’t want it, somewhere someone wants to move up a step from a successful mid-level program like Purdue or Vandy (not that we’re successful, just illustrating the level). And remember it only takes one.

"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"

by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 22, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Completely honest question

How do you figure the PSU search committe has a “proven record” of bringing in HOF coaches? I mean, the last head coach they hired was JoPa way back in the 40s or whatever. I have to figure they’re a /little/ out of practice, no?

by pfoley on Dec 21, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

H, good point, I should specify overall

Obviously it’s been ages since we hired a head football coach, but the past 4 hires;
We hired Cael Sanderson for wrasslin’. Interestingly enough, he made more money than Joe
Coquese Washington for Womens BBall, who’s really helped make our program into a very, very strong womens BBall program
Our fencing coach, we’ve won 5 Natty’s in a row in Fencing
And Pat Chambers. Jury’s still out, but things are looking up

So yeah, we have had good hires. Given, this is a different situation, but so far, the search committees have proven to have a good record

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 21, 2011 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Shoot...

…you qualified it. I was just about to claim victory via the Gophers National Titles (which while still super duper awesome are equally as pointless as any pre-Paterno coaching hire).

by GoAUpher on Dec 21, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

If there was a picture for not being able to tell sarcasm

I’d post it here

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 21, 2011 3:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So...

…are you talking about you or me. Because mine was a joke.

by GoAUpher on Dec 21, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, Roger that

I’m not the best with internet sarcasm unless I have emoticons, haha

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 21, 2011 3:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I am not a master of teh written sarcasm either.

Hooray! We resolved this without a flame war!!!

Happy unicorns and rainbows for everyone!

by GoAUpher on Dec 21, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

PSU could hire a very good coach

but the Meyer hiring was universally applauded by the OSU fanbase, and it was a rallying point that said ‘the worst is over, and we can move forward’. Along with the NCAA releasing the sanctions, it was officially The End of Tatgate.

It doesn’t matter who ends up getting the PSU gig, because there will be a vocal portion of the fanbase that says ‘this guy sucks’ to some varying degree, and with the delay in the hiring process, this year’s recruiting class is a mess. The last I read, there were only 8 guys committed to PSU. And tragically, there is no end in sight, at least from the public view, of the Sandusky scandal. Unless he pleads guilty, there’s goingto be a trial, and it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

I honestly hope that they do get a great coach, but the damage to this year’s recruiting class has already been done, and it won’t mark the end of anything.

/thread back on the tracks, choo choo

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by Ted Glover on Dec 21, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I don't disagree with any of that

I do think we’d get behind him (I sure as hell hope we do), but, a fair amount of people will say we should have hired another person

And yeah, this years class is shot. If whoever we get comes in and hangs onto whoever we’ve got, then it should be considered a good job by him, all things considered. But, it still is recruiting. Also, we do have 13 commits, fwiw.

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 21, 2011 3:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You're right in that

I think the fanbase will rally around whoever you hire in short order, unless they hire someone that NO ONE wants, but I don’t see that happening.

But whoever it is, I think you’re in for a lean couple of years. Between Sandusky and JoePa’s declining health, I see dark days in Happy Valley for the forseeable future, and I don’t think a new coach will wash that away like Meyer was able to wash away Tatgate in Columbus. I hope I’m wrong in that assumption, but I don’t think I am.

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by Ted Glover on Dec 21, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

On what do you base this statement?
All we know is that the search committee has a proven record of buying HOF head coaches.

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by Spartan D on Dec 21, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Nevermind - I posted this before I read through the rest of the string.

"Everyone who drinks is not a poet. Maybe some of us drink because we're not poets." - Arthur Bach

by Spartan D on Dec 21, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

A low point for the Big Ten...

tOSU sanctions make the whole B1G look bad. The school’s handling of the fiasco was amateurish at best – which is at least a half step up from those schools who are used to this sort of thing. The players and coach were both selfish and stupid. If I were a student or alum of tOSU I’d be furious. (And yes, I know some tOSU alums who are very angry.)

The Penn State thing is a nightmare. In this case, true evil was done to a number of innocents. “Failure to monitor” comes to mind, but maybe not in the NCAA sense. What the NCAA will/will not do will be interesting in the same way a post-train wreck forensics is interesting. Good luck to the next coach – helping the university heal will be more important than the number of wins (at least for a few years).

In short, tOSU got sanctioned – and probably about the right amount. Gee’s comments were really dumb (“…hope he doesn’t fire me…”), but he knows that. It’s up to tOSU regarding his fate. If violations happen again, I hope tOSU gets the Death Penalty. But you get one big screw-up. This is the Big Ten – we have a reputation for class and academics. Don’t mess up our collective reputation.

Penn State – I have no clue where to begin. Whoever the next coach is, he’d best be prepared to deal with a lot of psychological trauma.

Go B1G! Or go home.

by NUMBSpiritLeader on Dec 21, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

I would say that the only way it reflected poorly on the conference

as a whole was when Delany, along with Sugar Bowl officials, petitioned the NCAA to let the Tat 5 play in the Sugar Bowl. It was blatant hypocrisy and looked bad.

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by Ted Glover on Dec 21, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly, Ted. Thank you.

Delany had another team in his conference that was BCS bowl eligible. Sunk cost. The payment to the B1G is the same no matter which team it was. He could have stood up for doing the right thing. Instead he (and the conference) look bad because in effect,“he got played, yo.”

by MSULaxer27 on Dec 22, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

This story will continue to evolve, Ted

Please don’t make this your last post on this story, Ted. The insight you guys have here at OTE is valuable and I really enjoy reading it almost every day. This story is huge for Buckeye Nation and to a lesser extent, all B1G fans, and so I think as the consequences of the NCAA’s decisions come to fruition, your thoughts will continue to be valuable. Today’s piece was very good, please keep writing. This too shall pass. GO BUCKS!

by wardengobucks on Dec 21, 2011 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

blah

stupid bucks got off light and urban effing meyer is whining about the sanctions. the ban should be for 3 years and 18 scholarships over those 3 years.

by pbowers06 on Dec 26, 2011 6:11 PM CST reply actions  

Unfortunately...

Since the Miami and the Carolina’s punishment will most likely be compared to TSIO’s punishment, as it has already been done to the USC punishment, this scandal isn’t QUITE dead yet….

So…..

by GoWings2008 on Dec 29, 2011 8:11 AM CST reply actions  

disregard....

totally fucked that one up…

by GoWings2008 on Dec 29, 2011 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

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