Former ND QB Dayne Crist eyeing Wisconsin
Apparently, Wisconsin wants to become the New York Yankees of college football. Let those second tier KC Royals-esque programs (like NC State and Notre Dame) develop players for three years. After they've been seasoned, the Badgers will buy them up on the open market.
Well, I have news for the Badgers. You can't buy your way to a championship.* In fact, last year's purchase was an abject failure.** I suspect that this year's purchase will be as well.***
* Except when it works.
** This was determined on a scale on which Russell Wilson was held solely and entirely accountable for failing to stop two Hail Mary passes thrown by opposing quarterbacks. No other plays were considered in reaching this conclusion.
*** Dear God, please don't let this work again for them.
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When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
by Marshmoose on Dec 8, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Probably the ewes.
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by KenK on Dec 8, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Master of Cheese?
Or perhaps doctor of dairy….
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by pmeisel on Dec 10, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not convinced this is a good idea ... yet
Can’t anoint him as the starter if he were to transfer to Wisconsin. Have to wonder what the younger QBs on the roster would think if they brought in another guy.
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If it made sense, it wouldn't be the BCS.
I agree
Looks like Wisky has been recruiting a HS qb every season.
How would you feel if you were recruited to be the heir apparent to (whomever was QB last season), only to first see RW come in at the last moment, then see an ND guy now?
Yeah I know they want the team to do as well as possible, but that can’t be good for future recruiting.
If BB gets a rep as someone who will sell out the guys he brought onto campus from HS for a big name transfer every season, he will really damage himself in the long run – you can bet that every B1G coach will remind prospects of Bielma’s lack of loyalty.
by MSUDersh on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This
If BB gets a rep as someone who will sell out the guys he brought onto campus from HS for a big name transfer every season, he will really damage himself in the long run – you can bet that every B1G coach will remind prospects of Bielma’s lack of loyalty.
Honestly, there are two outcomes to this. A) It works (again), and you get to the Rose Bowl/B1GCC/NCG of which good recruiting will follow. B) It blows up in your face, and you look like a disloyal fool who doesn’t trust his players to step up and would rather find outside talent. This is a big throw of the dice regarding your future image.
In all honesty, this plug should really be filled by the NCAA. It is clearly an ambiguous form of free agency. And before you point to me about Brandon Wood and Tom Izzo, I’m already aware. But even Izzo himself said he doesn’t like the practice (if I can find the link to this I will post it…it was back when Izzo was still trying to recruit Wood to come to MSU). Doesn’t mean it’s right though.
Just my $0.02
by SpartyFever on Dec 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah here's the thing: I can almost see the rationale from the coaching staff's perspective.
After Wilson and Nate Tice graduate, the Badgers will have up to 5 QBs on the roster: Curt Phillips, Jon Budmayr, Joe Brennan, and Joel Stave. Bart Houston will be an incoming true frosh. Phillips has missed 2 years with knee problems, Budmayr has missed all of this season with elbow issues. Neither is a guarantee to play next year. They’ll both (I’m guessing) apply for a medical hardship, so Phillips will have 2 years of eligibility remaining and Budmayr will have 3. Brennan will have 3 years, Stave will have 4.
So, assuming the worst-case scenario here: Phillips and Budmayr are unavailable next year. That means the Badgers are basically in the same bind they were in before this season: a gaping hole at the top of the QB depth chart, with only a redshirt soph and a redshirt frosh to fill it. In that case, I can see where bringing in Crist makes sense. It’s the same scenario as ’11, just repeated.
But if Budmayr and Phillips CAN play, I think bringing Crist in could be trouble.
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If it made sense, it wouldn't be the BCS.
by John Veldhuis on Dec 8, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Got it
So what your saying, is:
If a team can’t organically grow & develop talent at QB, just go out & pluck talent from another squat that fits into the loophole that allows grad students to transfer & play immediately?
Sounds to me like a downard spiral of never ending, single season, 5th year starting QBs.
If this season is the same as ’11 just repeated, it seems like ’13 will be a repeat of ’12 . . . and ’14 a repeat of ’13. Why bother grooming and developing talent if you can let the schmucks at some other school do it for you?
Not trying to hate on you, I’m just by no means a fan of this rule
How is encouraging students to graduate in a timely fashion in any way, shape, or form a "loophole"?
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by Bob Genghiskhan on Dec 8, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I never said encouraging students to graduate is a loophole
But pursuing athletes who have graduated & encouraing them to transfer to your school in order to finish their athletic career elsewhere is taking advantage of a loophole designed to allow students the chance to pursue grad degrees.
I’m fine with them transferring, just make them sit a year like a traditional undergrad transfer does. Nearly all grad degrees take more than one year to earn, anyway, especially when the student is also a full time athlete.
I don't know how much of it is the school
and how much of it has become the player being disgruntled and leaving (Crist) or forced out (Wilson).
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 8, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a fair point
But still, they are able to benefit while other transfers (those still in undergrad) don’t – you don’t think the recent B1G poster boy of disgruntledness, Tate Forcier, would love to have been able to play immediately at SJSU?
Then he could get his stuff together and graduate.
And thus be rewarded for his efforts. I’m not saying it’s a perfect rule. But there is an element of reward in it that shouldn’t be overlooked.
Totally agree
I think there is a huge difference between Forcier & someone who completes the requirements for graduation and then transfers.
by IrishBrewerBadger on Dec 8, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not following you guys on that
We know Forcier left bc of his bad ‘tude & he was frustrated, but it seems that Crist is leaving for the same reasons – lost his starting job to an underclassman early in the season, and by late season, wasn’t even the backup.
The difference is, Crist was on campus long enough to graduate, while Forcier wasn’t (btw, was Crist redshirted? Per his bio on ND site, he didn’t play frosh season, but no indication that he RS’d, either. I’m assuming he did).
So by virtue of having had more time to complete his credits to graduate, he gets to benefit over the player who decided to leave earlier in his career?? For me, that just doesn’t add up.
HAHAH great call
1,000 internets to whomever can find his statements about U-M athletes being steered into classes that are cake, and not having to attend. You know, the statements that preceded by one day his dismissal from the bowl team for “not meeting academic requirements.”
And yet, he DID graduate.
As I said, not a perfect rule. But given how stacked the rulebook is against the players when it comes to LOI, coaches leaving, year to year schollies, etc. I’m at worst ambivalent towards a rule that rewards a player for graduating.
That's fair
Clear difference of opinion here.
IMO, the reward is, a college degree with no debt, not to mention all the doors opened by virtue of playing football at a major university. And IMO, if someone still has eligibility, he can stick around & get a second bachelors, or stay at his school & pursue a master’s/doctorate (again, with a reward of those credits being paid for) and keep playing, but if he chooses to go elsewhere, he should sit for a year.
Like I said earlier, most post-grad degrees take longer than one year to finish. It’s not like he’s going after an LLM or something that takes only one year.
I'd feel differently if there were 4-year scholarships
But there aren’t. 1-year scholarships renewable at the pleasure of the university. Given that massive power difference, letting someone who’s graduated continue their studies elsewhere and join the team at the new institution seems the least they can do. And also puts a coat of “student-athlete” veneer on the whole thing.
That's fair
I appreciate that you let me know where your opinion is coming from, you’re looking at this emotionally, while I’m looking at it logically.
There’s nothing wrong with taking either approach, and I think it explains why we differ here.
Also, RE: the annually renewed 1 year scholly, don’t we really onle see abuse of this in hoops with people like Coach Cal, or football in the SEC? I cannot ever recall hearing about a B1G big sport athlete whose scholly wasn’t renewed in order to create space, rather, only when the player is kicked off the team for some type of transgression.
I get what you mean
with the whole “filling the hole” concept, but isn’t that almost the definition of a free agency?
IMO, if a player is to transfer for whatever reason from a big time school to another big time school, they should have to wait a year. JUCO transfers are a different story.
I've never said I was against the rule
Call it ‘free agency’ or whatever – as of now, it’s still a legal way of bringing someone in.
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If it made sense, it wouldn't be the BCS.
by John Veldhuis on Dec 8, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah it is still a legal way to bring somone in & get immediate PT
And what we’re saying is, we don’t agree with the rule, and are in favor of the D1 transfer rule being consistent – if you transfer as an undergrad, a grad student, or JuCo/lower level to D1, you should have to sit one season.
I’m fine with transfers from D1 to lower level being able to play right away – but that’s mostly because I, like the majority of the rest of America, don’t really follow or care about the lower level football.
Well obviously it's still legal
Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. My point is whether it is right for it to be legal.
And I’m not calling out UW alone (look at my post of Izzo-Wood above). I think the people against the rule here are more worried about the possibility of schools exploiting it. And because UW did it last year, was very successful this year, and is looking to do it again (for the same position, mind you), one can easily perceive UW as exploiting it.
I fully expect the B1G will be proactive and make some in-conference rules on these transfers.
I don’t think any of the coaches want this thing to turn into a free agent market the way it’s moving.
“Hey James White- don’t want to sit behind Montee Ball for another season? Why don’t you come down to Mississippi? We’ll make you our feature back and get you lots of touches for NFL scouts to see.”
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Like Montee Ball is going to be in Wisconsin for another season
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Just using this as an example.
Ball would be incredibly dumb to stay another year. The shelf life for NFL RBs is short.
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True
But like I said in regards to some of your (MSU’s) players, it will be interesting to see what dynamic emerges amongst draft-eligible underclassmen. Rookie salaries (and signing bonuses) were significantly lower in 2011 than 2010, one might think this will encourage some players to stay. On the other hand, the duration of rookie contracts has shortened, thus making them eligible for free-agency sooner; you could have a situation where guys leave early so they can play out their contract and get to their second (and larger) contract sooner. I’d imagine you’ll see a lot fewer players projected in the middle of the draft (3rd, 4th and 5th rounds) leave early in the hopes that they can improve their position with another year, but a lot more guys projected in rounds 1 and 2 going early.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Salaries might be lower now for higher level draft picks,
But getting paid is still getting paid.
Also, those salary limitiations really only affect the top handful of draft picks – the guy picked in the middle of the 6th round, no matter the season, will get paid the same.
He better not.
I mean, for his NFL career and all. Yea…for his sake…Not for the rest of the B1G. No no…
Sort of agree, but...
But at the same time, the QBs on the roster need to deliver. Every QB for the Badgers not named Russel Wilson has looked like ass this season (the same way that every QB not named Scott Tolzien looked like ass last season). It’s not as if they don’t give these guys an opportunity (practices, scrimmages, spring game, the entire 4th quarter of most regular season games). But at some point they need to step up and deliver. If Wisconsin wants to be a premier program, we can’t field a QB who is not up to the job just because the staff feels bad that they recruited him and he doesn’t get to play. That results in a 2008, and we can’t afford too many of those. And it’s not really fair to all the other players on the roster when the team is dragged down by bad QB play. Plus if we can string together a few seasons of quality QB play, we might actually be able to improve our recruiting at QB (Exhibit A: Bart Houston). I’m not suggesting that this should become a regular tactic, but I think one more year might not be a bad idea — just need to string the team along until Houston is ready to play.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
I tweeted this only half jokingly on Sunday...
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…that Crist isn’t nearly as good as Wilson and that’s the single biggest reason why this wouldn’t be a good idea for Bucky? Forget the rule, it is what it is and it makes for an interesting off season every once in a while. Consider my unique position for what it’s worth. Born & raised a Domer in South Bend, die-hard life long fan, moved to the Badger state for high school, couldn’t get into ND so I “settled” on UW. I still live in Madison 10 years later. This is a conversation for another day, but I’m a huge fan of both schools and thank god every year they have never played each other in my lifetime. I’m not a stat guy and won’t pretend to be, nor do I typically post anything, but I thought this one hit close to home.
Anyway, my point is this: Dayne Crist kind of sucks. He never should have been the starter for the Irish this year, and he was replaced after only one half of football by Sophomore Tommy Rees, whose play is sub-par in and of itself. Crist has good size, but isn’t fast, arm is lacking both strength and accuracy, and he turns the ball over. He is average or below average in all areas of the game compared to Wilson (except height if you count that), certainly not on the same level as RW talent-wise.
One thing I will say about him is that Crist, similar to RW, seems to be a super classy, team-orientated guy who made the most out of this season and didn’t pout about what happened. And I feel bad for him with his injury history.
I hope for both Dayne’s sake as well as Wisconsin’s that this marriage doesn’t happen because it’ll end badly and be embarrassing for all parties.
by IrishBrewerBadger on Dec 8, 2011 1:21 PM CST reply actions
Tweet from FakePatForde*
“Brett Favre’s agent, Bus Cook, has indicated that noone from the University of Wisconsin has contacted him about playing QB for the Badgers next season. Donovan McNabb still a possibility.”
*Not a real tweet – I just made this up.
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Wisky eventually has to develop their own QBs,
right?
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
I hope Texas goes all in to try and get Crist.
DO. NOT. WANT.
HEAR ME TALK NOW: EXTERMINATE.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
I have to imagine
that no high school kid in his right mind would even TALK to Wisky after two of these in a row…
And there you have it
Like I mentioned before, if Bielma starts getting a rep for doing this, he could seriously hurt his long term recruiting. HS players will absolutely notice this, and I can’t imagine that it won’t be part of their decision making process. You can BET that the other B1G coaches will remind prospects about this when they’re up against Bielma for one.
by MSUDersh on Dec 8, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a given that Bielema is a weasely douche, but he's now showing his true colors as a scumbag as well.
I, for one, am not surprised in the least.
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by Spartan D on Dec 8, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And
They’ll all go to Minnesota
"Believe in the system. For it shall bring light when there is dark, food when there is hunger, and shots when there are passes. This is the divine process." Yeo 4:18
FTFY
They’ll allgo tostay in Minnesota
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Not last year
I think those days are over. Getting out of the Humpty Dump helped us a lot, but getting a coach who can… you know… coach? Kill kept 6 of our top 7 guys in-state this past year, and the last is still wavering, so like I said
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
That ship is leaving the port
Jerry Kill got a guy like Jonah Pirsig to commit early. he’s a guy that both Iowa and Wisconsin recruited heavily, and in years past, he would’ve gone to one of those schools.
Brewster talked about locking down Minnesota, but Kill is doing it. Granted, it’s not a hotbed like Ohio or Florida, but one of the reasons that Iowa and especially Wisconsin have been so successful is that they are able to take what little talent Minnesota has.
I’ll cede that it’s only one year, but if Kill keeps holding serve in Minnesota, and can get a few 2 and three star guys elsewhere and coach ‘em up, Minnesota is going to be one of the toughest outs in the B1G in a year or two, and Wisconsin and Iowa aren’t going to be as formidable as they are now.
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by Ted Glover on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I mean, there are two minnesotans on the Iowa roster right now
Now, one of them is Broderick Binns (and the other is his brother), but Minnesota has never been much of a source of recruiting for Iowa (at least that I can remember; I’ll admit to not paying terribly close attention in 2005-8, owing to my geographical location).
Ahem.
8 straight. That’s enough of a reason to NOT go to Minnesota.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, I had trouble reading that
I had six national titles in my way
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
by Marshmoose on Dec 9, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah that total domination of the latter 1930's
Is extremely relevant today . . .
If your above statement isn’t the definition of “living in the past,” I don’t know what is.
Where else are they gonna go?
Iowa?
Bahahaha
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That will be fixed
when Bart Houston becomes a 1st round pick in the NFL.
Welp
Wisconsin’s my pick again for the division. Might come down to the head-to-head tie breaker with Ohio State.
I dunno
I’ve seen Crist play. I wouldn’t call him equal to (or even close to) RW.
This exactly
He’s really not very good.
by IrishBrewerBadger on Dec 8, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
It’s hard to top Russell Wilson, but Crist is still a better option than what they have riding the bench. Crist is one of those ‘potential’ guys, he’s definitely flashed. I hate Brian Kelly, I think he hindered Crist more than helped him. Give a potentially returning Montee Ball and Crist will be serviceable. It’s not like Scott Tolzien was anything special but hey, he did enough to get them a Big Ten title.
I understand that but:
I feel that Russell Wilson’s success made people forget that Scott Tolzein wasn’t just a scrub. He was a very “Wisconsin” QB, but he was a damn good Wisconsin QB. You can’t just take another person and expect them to duplicate the same success he had. There’s a reason that Wisconsin made the Rose Bowl and destroyed opponents with Scott Tolzein.
He wasn't just a scrub
But the season that Russell Wilson just had is one that will be hard to top. To me, you can’t compare 16TD/6INT to 31/3.
I’m not disrespecting Tolzein as much as I am recognizing what Wilson just did. It’s like comparing Craig Krenzel to Troy Smith. Craig was a very good “Ohio State QB,” and he won the whole thing, but I’d still take Troy Smith and what he was capable of doing, if I had to choose.
I have a hypothetical question...
What if Crist goes to Wisky next year, but gets beaten out for the job in spring practice. Can he transfer somewhere else and still play?
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Nope.
And frankly, I do expect that to happen. Who knows where Stave and Brennan will be in a year’s time, but I simply do not want to plug-and-play with a turnover machine like Dayne Crist.
The kid reminds me so much of Allan *vr*dg*, it’s scary.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
In a year's time Stave and Brennan
will in all likelihood still not be very good. In fact, you might describe them as Evridge-esque.
If Bielema thought Crist wouldn't win the job,
then why would he ask him to transfer?
Does Fred Hoiberg recruit for Wisconsin
Or what?
by mikjones24 on Dec 8, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
I find it interesting that the most vocal opponents of the graduate transfer rule are Michigan State fans.
As for myself, I don’t want this to happen. Mostly because:
a) this would hinder recruits. I think the Russell Wilson acquisition was good because WE WON THE TITLE potential recruits could see that “hey,a good QB can succeed wildly in this offense! Sign me up!” That would be damaged if recruits don’t get to take the field.
b) I don’t think Joe Brennan was that bad in relief. He looks like he could be serviceable. Scott Tolzein didn’t look like much either at first.
c) http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/12/8/2620913/things-dayne-crist-has-in-common-with-russell-wilson
Look, of course most UW fans will be for anything that could improve the team.
The question remains: Is this an improvement?
I’m all for this signing for 2 reasons.
1. I dislike everything/anything/everyone associated with ND. I dislike UW. Like peanut butter in chocolate, signing Christ, would unify to of my great dislikes.
2. I honestly believe that this would hinder UW recruiting in the future, therefore it is good for the Spartans.
I think there are more than just MSU fans that oppose this here.
Wisky can go find whatever mercenaries they want...
We’ve ruined their “national title hopes” the last 2 years and we’re gonna do it again next year in Madison!
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Cool story, bro.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
I meant as in MSU winning in Madison.
Child please. Not with Cousins, Martin, and Cunningham gone. Those have been the 3 players that have absolutely KILLED Wisconsin in the past 4 years.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
I really like this new rivalry in football.
As a State fan I’m pretty bored of the whole UofM thing. Now I understand what all the Mich fans were saying about State not being a real rival for all those years.
The past few games with Wisconsin have been highly contested and emotional, and I love to hate everything about them. It dovetails nicely w/ my Bo Ryan hate.
If your team gets murdered by Kirk Cousins, then you need to re-evaluate some shit.
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-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
in MSU's defense, Ball, Wilson, and Toon will all be gone next year too.
Why would Wisconsin have an edge over MSU next year?
Good call
Even if Worthy leaves, 18 of 22 on MSU’s D two-deep is back, and Wisky will have a new QB out there (esp bc it seems like Crist may follow Weis to Kansas now), and may have a new RB, not to mention new WRs.
So yeah, I think the apparent advantage as of right now may not be what it seems come next Oct.
Hasn't the home team won for almost a decade running now?
Between Michigan State and Wisconsin, that is.
Several years, yes.
About six I think.
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If it made sense, it wouldn't be the BCS.
by John Veldhuis on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
You must have seen different games than me
w/r/t Brennan. Seems to me that the offense ground to a halt any time he stepped on the field. His stats for the season were 40% completions, 3 yds/attempt, and a rating just over 50.
Well, I'm trying to be optimistic.
I’ve been spoiled lately and I don’t want to go back to the old days.
Woah. Has ND been notified of this? They are not going to be happy.
Let those second tier KC Royals-esque programs (like NC State and Notre Dame) develop players for three years. After they’ve been seasoned, the Badgers will buy them up on the open market.
I am pretty sure that this might be my favorite analogy of the day ND: The KC Royals of College Football.
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Neither ND nor the Royals have been relevant since the 1980's...
so it fits quite nicely. (BTW, this is coming from a fan that took in 15-20 games a year back when the Royals outfield consisted of Johnny Damon, Jermaine Dye, and Carlos Beltran.)
I was living in KC
and doing the exact same thing during that period. Great offense. Pitching…not so much.
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by KennardHusker on Dec 9, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I have no problem with the rule.
It rewards the players who actually live up to the student part of student-athlete. Having said that, my feelings toward the Badgers bringing in Dayne Crist are as follows:
I don’t enjoy watching redzone interceptions. God, I hope he follows Weis to KU.
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by Graham Filler on Dec 9, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
Random Question...
is calling T. Pryor a “swag-master” disrespectful?
In honor of comment #500...Tengo el sangre del tigre.
No it is not
Going to get hate for this, but i liken it to a drug dealer. You have all the swagger in the world and that makes you one of the best and lots of money, but that is often the very thing that trips you up in the end and cause you to lose most of it
This post epitomizes what goes through every sports fan's head whenever any team gets a big pickup...
…it’s always like “You can’t just buy talent and win a championship,” but in the back of your mind you’re thinking “Oh man now they’re gonna have THIS GUY plus all those other guys who are totally awesome, and I’m gonna look like a total fool if I’m wrong.”
So you hedge your bets. You say “This so isn’t going to work, but things might get interesting if such-and-such happens.” The content of “such-and-such” doesn’t matter because no one will remember the specifics.
You look like a genius in the event, more likely than not, that it doesn’t work out, but if it does work, you can say “Wait a minute, I wasn’t going all in with my prediction, remember when I said blah blah blah…” and another friend will pipe in “That’s right, he did say well maybe the AL West could be weak this year.” Which is a total tautology: Yeah, if the opponents stink, maybe the Dream Team will win. Wait, the team with the hot shots won? Well, that’s cause their opponents are terrible!
THE DREAM TEAM ALWAYS WINS
"You might as well appeal against the thunderstorm."
-William T. Sherman, the Battle of Atlanta
by Jon Ross on Dec 9, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
REC!!!!
rec rec rec rec
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 10, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, they always do.
"Believe in the system. For it shall bring light when there is dark, food when there is hunger, and shots when there are passes. This is the divine process." Yeo 4:18
by NorthernStar on Dec 11, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
This just in...
…recent news reports (i.e. untrue stuff I just made up) state that Lebron James is starting a new reality show. The months-long programming will finish with a hourlong live finale in which millions of viewers will tune in to hear Lebron announce what team he is losing to this season.
by HailVarsity on Dec 12, 2011 2:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In related totally made-up news
Perhaps you should watch the New Decision that LeBron made this summer.
FTFY
“The months-long programming will finish with a hourlong live finale Sopranos fade-to-black moment with a quarter hour left to go.”
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Dec 12, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
so it's Purdue?
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Dec 13, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
It's really a cheap shot...
…for you to make up a completely fictional school and then insult them like that.
by HailVarsity on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's going to join the Kansas Fightin Fupas.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM CST reply actions
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