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Dear Nebraska, Welcome to the Big Ten...From Michigan State

The Only Colors is a just a monster blog with a great community. They came in a bit after OTE came to SBN so I feel a bond. My thanks to Pete Rossman, the genius who wrote this letter and who's taking the reins over at TOC.

Dear Nebraska,

I know you haven't seen us in eight years, but since you're joining the Big Ten I thought it would be nice to give you an update on the status of Michigan State.  To begin, we won a share of a Big Ten title last season! This isn't such a big deal for some schools but when your team is going on two decades without any sort of conference hardware it's a big deal.  There was a bowl game after that, but if you agree not to remember our performance this season, we'll agree to forget yours.

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Anyway, there's a lot of talk this season about us and y'all being the frontrunners to win the Legends division this season.  You've probably received a lot of letters from Big Ten teams that can be summarized in five words: "We're awesome! Our rival sucks!"  I'm not going to waste space in this letter telling you about Michigan's ineptitude; their record the last three seasons does that for me.  What I will do is give you an insight to a good portion of the psyche of the MSU fan base.  Even though MSU is projected to do well in 2011, I can't help but feel a drop off is coming.

Yes, MSU went 11-1 last season (remember the agreement we made about our bowl games).  Yes, their losses are significant in some areas (linebacker and cornerback in particular), but the Spartans return all their offensive skill players minus one wide receiver. Yes, MSU will probably face a depleted Ohio State team in their Big Ten opener. Despite these facts, three factors stand in the way of a Legends division title.

Reason the first - the schedule.  Even though MSU faces OSU without Terrelle Pryor, Daniel Herron and others the game is still in the Horseshoe, which will be rough.  After that we face you guys in Lincoln.  That's two tough road games to start Big Ten play, and still have to go to Iowa and Northwestern. In addition we play Wisconsin, a Michigan team that will most likely be coached competently, and if the nonconference schedule comes into play, a game at Notre Dame.  That's not the cakewalk MSU had this season.

Reason the second - recent history.  Although MSU did go 11-1 in the regular season, it was one of the shakiest 11-1 seasons in memory.  Overtime was needed to defeat Notre Dame, and few remember how tight that game was because of how scintillating the last play was.  Fourth quarter comebacks were needed to beat Northwestern and Purdue.  MSU nearly gave up a fourth quarter comeback to Matt McGloin, a QB which made many Penn State fans long for the steady, efficient leadership of Anthony Morelli.  Did I mention how Iowa erased Michigan State?  A regression to the mean is likely,for this team, and that means losing some close games they won last season.

Reason the third - ancient history.  Here is the list of Michigan State football teams since 1990 that have had two stellar seasons in a row:


Although Mark Dantonio has done a lot to change this mindset, it still exists.  MSU followed up a 9-3 campaign in 2008 with a thoroughly mediocre 6-6 one in 2009.  We lost to CENTRAL MICHIGAN that year.  Michigan State has had its issues with success before, and a part of me wants to believe it isn't true.  Another part of me is stockpiling whiskey, MREs and ammunition in case of a dropoff.

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Despite that though, we're optimistic folk.  Even in utterly crappy seasons during the John L. Smith era we put 70,000+ fans in Spartan Stadium.  Most of our fan base has something you won't see in Michigan and Ohio State fans - a sense of humor!  Speaking of those two fan bases, if they start talking about THE GREATEST RIVALRY EVER IN SPORTS OR COUNTRIES OR LINENS AND THINGS, run the other way.  Run as fast as possible, because I don't know if it's possible for someone to be bored to death, but I wouldn't risk it.

As for East Lansing, you won't be here until 2012, but MSU tailgates are awesome.  Tailgates are on campus unlike some schools, so you can take in the full beauty of Michigan State in the fall.  Parking passes for some lots are a bit hard to come by, but there's plenty of parking for those who arrive early, and from there you can drink anywhere on campus.  It is glorious.  As for places to watch the game if you can't get a ticket (that shouldn't be a problem though - plenty of scalpers), I suggest Crunchy's (best beer selection in East Lansing). To be fair, any bar will do and they'll all be open; just keep walking north on campus and you'll be bound to find one.

That's all for now.  We're looking forward to playing you this season, and drinking all your beer at your tailgate, lest we label you impolite hosts.

Cheers,

Pete

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Fourth quarter comebackA meltdown by Purdue was needed to beat Purdue.

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by PurdueMatt on Mar 15, 2011 7:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the kind words, Pete.

As for this: _"We’re looking forward to playing you this season, and drinking all your beer at your tailgate, lest we label you impolite hosts." _ You better be ready to drink. Husker fans love welcoming all others (yes, even TexA$$ fans) to their football Mecca.

by B1Ghusker on Mar 15, 2011 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

MSU followed up a 9-3 9-4 campaign in 2008 with a thoroughly mediocre 6-6 6-7 one in 2009.

Now now, we mustn’t forget the disappointing effort MSU put up in its bowl games…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2011 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

True

only Mini-soda fans are crazy enough to completely forget a game happened.

by Pariahwulfen on Mar 15, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

We wish we could forget 55-0

Our now former coach Tim Brewster (gawd that feels fantastic to type) just pretended to believe 55-donut never happened. Because I was there, I can never forget it no matter how much I try. I trust Jerry Kill will put it back in the anals of Floyd of Rosedale history right next to 2009’s unwatchable loss and 2010 when we beat you. I’ll never for get that one either.

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by Jeffrick on Mar 15, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about 2008

when Minnesota blew a 21-7 halftime lead to easily the worst Wisconsin team of the decade?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was there for that one too

So many “fond” memories from the Timmy Brewster Era.

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by Jeffrick on Mar 15, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That game was freezing cold

and awesome. 2 safeties. TWO! Also the last time P.J. Hill accomplished anything at Wisconsin…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

What a painful, painful day. I picked a different pony against Wisconsin the next year… Turned out much better.

That was the last straw for me and #$&@ Tim, as he came to be called in section KK.

by MNWildcat on Mar 16, 2011 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm betting explosives

That way, if he loses the pig, he can give IC the urban renewal it needs.

by Albino Tornado on Mar 18, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see MSU next year as a lot like Iowa last year

The Spartans could easily be a better team but lose more games.

by nuftw on Mar 15, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Kind of annoying because MSU was pretty clutch this season

OT win vs ND, comeback against Purdue and Northwestern and the deal-sealing drive against Wisconsin.

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by Seer on Mar 16, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It takes more than one admittedly clutch season

to erase a meme as pervasive as SPARTY NOOOOO. There are just too many years in recent memory to not have that endure.

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by ClaybornSmash on Mar 16, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

That meme walked out the door with JLS

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in amazingly boneheaded ways hasn’t really happened under Dantonio, wiht the exception of Central Michigan in 2009

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 16, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither rain nor sleet nor gloom of Morelli could keep PSU from beating MSU in Beaver Stadium

…until we got McGloin’d.

MSU is good people. The Land Grant Trophy should be retired so we can focus on our real rivals.

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by Cairo on Mar 15, 2011 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

MSU is good people

But Busch Light at tailgates…I don’t condone that. And that’s all they drink.

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by Graham Filler on Mar 15, 2011 10:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Disagreed.

Most students and alumni alike go a couple steps up in the Anheuser-Busch family (Bud Light). Plus, there are lots of excellent concoctions such as Captain and Cider.

by RewertsSpartan on Mar 15, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan State was a good story last year.

It’d be nice to see it happen again this year.

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by Aaron Musfeldt on Mar 15, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Your comment about "no consecutive stellar years" is interesting

Just for fun, if we call “stellar” having at least 5 conference wins (an admittedly low bar for stellarity), here are all the teams since 1993 to have consecutive years:

MSU, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota: none
Purdue: 97-98
Iowa: 02-05, 08-09
Northwestern: 08-09, 04-05, 95-96
Wisconsin: 97-99, 04-present
Penn State: 93-99, 05-06, 08-09
Michigan: 93-Rich Rod
Ohio State: 93-99, 00-03, 04-present

On the flip side, if we count the consecutive dismal years (less than 3 conference wins):

Ohio State, Wisconsin: none
MSU: 05-06
Michigan: 08-09
Penn State: 03-04
Iowa: 98-99
Northwestern: 93-94, 98-99, 01-02
Purdue: 93-96
Minnesota: 94-98
Illinois: 96-98, 03-06
Indiana: 95-98, 02-05, 08-present

It’s as if any time MSU has a good year, they take the next one off, but any time they have a bad year, they work really hard the next one.

by nuftw on Mar 15, 2011 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

2008 Badgers went 3-5 in conference play.

by Ricardo Efendi on Mar 15, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly I think it's regression to the mean for MSU

They haven’t been an incredibly bad or incredibly good team – they’ve been pretty average (2010 they were above average, but far from great). The +/- 2 or 3 wins each year is really whether they have been able to get that proverbial “1 play” to win the close games.

Ceterum autem censeo, Iowa esse delendam.

by Spartan D on Mar 16, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

MSU huh.......cant get a read on them

the thing is, at the end of the day they just beat Wisconsin and thats all. even Iowa beat two “good” teams in MSU and Missouri

but its the way they lost those two games that has me thinking “uh oh” for them. especially the bowl game. That Alabama game was the hardest game to watch i have ever seen. sure ive seen worse losses statistically, but i think Alabama broke that team mentally worse than most any other game ive ever seen.

the OSU game will tell us alot. if you cant beat an OSU team that may not have any of the top players or possibly even the head coach on it, then your just not ready to be in the top half of the big ten yet.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Mar 15, 2011 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

It's all an excuse to be sure...

but I’m not sure anyone would want to play Alabama and all the NFL talent they have giving them four weeks to heal and prepare for the game.

Were we humiliated…to be sure…but I’m sure most teams would have been as well. We got to play sacrificial lamb to Satan.

by MSULaxer27 on Mar 16, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmm
a Michigan team that will most likely be coached competently

/crossesfingers

It should also be noted that Michigan vs. MSU isn’t seen as a huge rivalry on a national level, but in-state, it’s pretty heated especially after State finally broke a long run of domination by Michigan beat us three times in a row. Never underestimate Michigan State’s rancor for Michigan, and vice versa.

by Alex Cook on Mar 15, 2011 6:11 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed.

Hoke mania will make it even more interesting

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by Graham Filler on Mar 15, 2011 6:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have a hard time with the whole "DickRod don't git r RIVALREES" meme

but Hoke seems more passionate about them and willing to try to show that. I think the intensity will be ratcheted up more by Michigan finally winning and Michigan fans getting back their air of superiority. Once that dynamic resumes, State will hate us even more.

by Alex Cook on Mar 15, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand RRod not being emotionally invested

I lived in Alabama twice over the course of my military career, and I never got into Alabama-Auburn. I understand the passion because of my ties to OSU-UM, but Alabama-Auburn was something that never stirred my soul, and even if I had lived there 25 years, it never would.

RRod was always an outsider, and was always going to be. And the ‘but Bo wasn’t a Michigan man’ counter-argument doesn’t really hold weight, because Bo came from Ohio, coached under Woody at OSU, so he got it in a way that RRod never would have.

Josh Grobin…really?

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by Ted Glover on Mar 20, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Groban, actually.

Point still stands.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 21, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also their mascot wears a skirt!

"Carrie, I can't go in there, I'm claustrophobic."
"Well, It's gonna' be a rough half hour for ya then."
-Doug Heffernan coming to grips with the cold reality of an MRI machine

by Jon Ross on Mar 15, 2011 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Also

most of their tradition comes from a meh 2007 film!

“WE ARE NOT ORIGINAL SPARTA!”

by Alex Cook on Mar 15, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, they all died. Under a hail of arrows. In matching skirts.

"Carrie, I can't go in there, I'm claustrophobic."
"Well, It's gonna' be a rough half hour for ya then."
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by Jon Ross on Mar 15, 2011 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just in case you're worried this was missing something

by excluding the “Who we hate portion” I’ll put it simply.

We hate Notre Dame.
We hate Wisconsin in basketball.
Some MSU fans hate OSU, others of us don’t care.
We really hate Michigan in everything. We think you will too.

Technically we have rivalries with Indiana and Penn State, but we don’t have any animosity towards them.

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by Seer on Mar 15, 2011 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

The Old Brass Spittoon!

Is the best rivalry trophy ever. Seriously – the best thing to come out of that cross-division rivalry thing is that this game will be played every single year! And I’m not just saying that because we’ve beaten IU nearly 80% of the time since the rivalry was started in 1950.

by dandarc on Mar 15, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who hasn't beaten IU nearly 80% of the time, though?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2011 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

If there were any Indiana fans they would have some comeback here, but alas.

"Carrie, I can't go in there, I'm claustrophobic."
"Well, It's gonna' be a rough half hour for ya then."
-Doug Heffernan coming to grips with the cold reality of an MRI machine

by Jon Ross on Mar 15, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The obvious comeback is Northwestern...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Indiana and Northwestern play a football game, does anyone win?

"Carrie, I can't go in there, I'm claustrophobic."
"Well, It's gonna' be a rough half hour for ya then."
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by Jon Ross on Mar 15, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

NU had a really good season (2008) ruined by a baffling loss at the hands of IU.

Good football teams do NOT lose to Indiana. That’s all that needs to be said.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 15, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a fluke loss

Northwestern tends to win a win a game it shouldnt and lose a game it shouldnt ever year.

Speaking of losing to indiana, I vividly remember the beating Indiana laid on your badgers 10 years ago.

by LincolnParkWildcat on Mar 15, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The obvious comeback might be Northwestern

but the correct comeback is actually Iowa. Indiana has beaten Iowa 5 of the last 11 games.

by nuftw on Mar 16, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 17, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank You For Bob Devaney

He started his college coaching career on Duffy Daugherty’s staff way back in the day. Duffy also recommended Bob for the Nebraska job back in 1962.

Paddle faster, I hear banjos!!

by Section 37 on Mar 15, 2011 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Official Rivalries

Should be a fun addition to husker football…We’ve had only One “nationally recognized” rivalry in Oklahoma, and that pretty much died when we stopped playing annually. We definitely had a rivalry with Colorado back in the day, followed by a hatred with K-State, Mizzou and recently Texas, but Im not sure theres a 100% consensus of if they were rivals or not. I am really looking forward to the hatred that is already the Iowa/Nebraska rivalry!

by Conspiracy* on Mar 16, 2011 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh and Michigan fans...

Will probably make a big deal about “winning” the 97 nat’l championship but anyone with half a brain knows we’d have beat the dog piss out of them that year.

by Conspiracy* on Mar 16, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

THANK. YOU.

We’re gonna get along juuuust fine here. Welcome to the B1G.

"Carrie, I can't go in there, I'm claustrophobic."
"Well, It's gonna' be a rough half hour for ya then."
-Doug Heffernan coming to grips with the cold reality of an MRI machine

by Jon Ross on Mar 16, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been mentioned many times here, but the hate for Michigan honestly can't be stressed enough

I understand that Huskers have some dislike for Texas, and once upon a time didn’t get along with Oklahoma.

Imagine you could combine your hate for Texas with your hate for Oklahoma. Imagine you could multiply it by thousands. Imagine that this Texahoma combined monstrosity will do everything in its power to prove they are better than you, your school, everything you enjoy about the city of Lincoln, and stomp all over everything you are proud of.

Feel the hate starting to boil up inside? Good. That’s just a small measure of the hatred Spartans hold for Wolverines.

Soon, you will understand much more clearly. Why? Because soon, Michigan will be doing it to you. It’s easy to hate Ohio State because they are Ohio State and are traditionally hated outside of Columbus. They’re good at a lot of things involving balls (har) and have been for a long, long time.

But your hate for Michigan will evolve in different ways. You already have a taste of this hate from your experience with them in 1997. It’s about to get much, much worse.

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by The Ghost of John Hannah on Mar 17, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hell I read that wrong

I thought you were talking about fOSU!

by Grixxly on Mar 18, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bit of a late reply here...

But, as a Nebraska fan, I’ll tell you how I got to know a bit about the Michigan-MSU rivalry.

It so happens that, at a get-together years ago, for reasons I won’t get into here, some friends dared me to stand up on a chair and sing Hail to the Victors. There was one fellow there who didn’t bother to sing along and sat there glaring at me. After I finished, he said he would never, ever, in his entire life sing that song, for any reason.

It turns out, he was a Nebraskan who had lived for a long time in Michigan. Having to pick a local team to root for, he went with the Spartans and rooted for them as well as the Huskers. When I asked why he picked Sparty, he said that he came into contact with plenty of Michigan and MSU fans during his time there. The MSU fans were polite and friendly. The Michigan fans were, as a whole, rude and obnoxious twits who were unbelievably full of themselves. He said that picking sides was easy.

The memory of this experience has served to remind me, over the years, that 1.) The passion of the fans is what makes college football great, and 2.) Michigan sucks.

by HailVarsity on Mar 23, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

To think of this in Big XII terms....

Imagine how angry Texas A&M fans are just because they always have to play third fiddle to UT’s rivalry with OU. The reason I pick these teams is because A&M, like State, has had an outstanding history in its own right but gets overshadowed by the two teams in its conference who have generally dominated proceedings in the past two decades.

Texas and UM are both in the same state as A&M/MSU, are more “prestigous” for things like law schools and liberal arts, and are in a “sexier” location (Austin and Ann Arbor seem to me to be kindred spirits). OU and OSU are in the neighboring state, in shitty locations (sorry, I hate Columbus, and I imagine I would hate Norman) yet still draw recruits because they have a good coach that likes wearing sweater vests (or visors… needless accessories).

Anyway, if you can imagine why A&M hates UT so much, you can see why MSU hates UM. I’m sure that UT, like UM, looks down upon A&M as a “cow college” in a similar way that UM does with MSU. I’m also sure that they kind of brush them off as being the “little brother.”

by jhitts08 on Mar 25, 2011 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have some knowledge of that...

because when Nebraska went through a rough stretch over the last ten years, some fans of opposing schools like K-State and Mizzou would lose their minds with anger because Nebraskans wouldn’t acknowledge those games as rivalries or act upset about losing.

The difference is that, honest to goodness, most Nebraskans didn’t think of those games as rivalries because our fans make a conscious effort to be good sports — it’s a kind of official policy and the athletic department constantly reinforces it. Our last great rival was Oklahoma. But it would be different if, like MSU, we had another in-state program. Way different.

Michigan fans can pretend all they want that losing to MSU is no big deal, but an in-state school that plays you on a yearly basis is an automatic rival and there are no two ways about it. I promise you it absolutely kills Michigan fans that their team has lost three straight times to State. I watched you guys run all over them last year and the difference in team physicality was amazing. There is no conceivable way for a Wolverine fan to watch a sight like that and just disregard it as no big deal, no matter what line of BS they’re trying to feed you. Just wait until you make it four in a row later this year.

by HailVarsity on Mar 25, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something else I've noticed

Something else I’ve noticed UM fans doing that just pisses me off even more.

Whenever they beat MSU, they tend to rub it in hard…. REAL hard, compounding it with insults about the quality of an MSU education (“public Ivy” vs. “cow college”, etc) and how bad East Lansing sucks and socioeconomic disparity between the two schools.

That’s fine… it’s a rivalry game, right? We’d do the same to them.

That’s the thing, though. When MSU beats UM, Wolverine fans tend to back out completely. “Oh, well, we were just resting up to play OSU. MSU’s not our real rivals anyway.”

You know, the whole “little brother” thing. They shrug it off. Or at least, they pretend to. I don’t know if that pisses you off as much as it pisses me off, but… it does.

by jhitts08 on Mar 25, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

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