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B1G 2011 // Keeping the Enemy Close - Hammer & Rails Explains What Losing to Indiana in Football Feels Like

Hammer and Rails...meet Indiana week...after a surprising Indiana win in 2010...allowing the Hoosiers to avoid an 0-8 conference record...this should be intriguing. My thanks to TMill, per usual.

Normally when Graham e-mails me to talk about Indiana Football there isn't much to talk about. Since the Hoosiers often don't do a lot on the gridiron we normally toy with them. Purdue's recent struggles have made us even less relevant than usual, so lately the discussion has been about basketball, where Cody Zeller is about to become the new Hoosier Jesus and lead them back to the promised land (even though Tom Crean is a stellar 3-41 away from Assembly Hall).

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"Hahahaha b******** s**** y*** d********* "

Then last year happened. Indiana's 34-31 overtime victory at Ross-Ade Stadium was the cherry on top of the shit sundae that was Purdue's 2010 football season. We came in thinking eight wins, but left with 8 losses, six in a row to close, the first home loss to Indiana since 1996, and really the first loss that didn't have extenuating circumstances since 1996.

John at Crimson Quarry and I disagree over this, but Indiana's 13-7 victory in 2001 was greatly helped by a virtual monsoon in Bloomington that grounded our pass-favored offense, giving them an advantage because they were run based. Indiana's 2007 victory by three points saw a near Indiana collapse (a trademark of the Bill Lynch era) where the Hoosiers blew a 21-point lead, but rode the Play 13 momentum to victory.

God, I really do sound pathetic in making those excuses.

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Anyway, there were no excuses last year. Purdue crapped the bed at home against a team that had lost 13 straight Big Ten Conference games and would later fire its coach. As is typical (15 times since 1998 by my count) Purdue scored within the final minutes to take a lead, only to flat out refuse to stop the comeback drive by the opposition. When Mitch Ewald kicked first the game-tying field goal with four seconds left, then the game winner in overtime, no Purdue fan was surprised. As I commented, it was no surprise that Tandon Doss ran across the field unopposed to grab the Old Oaken Bucket from behind the Purdue bench. We hadn't done anything to show we were interested in stopping them when it mattered, so why stop him then?

So yeah, I am pretty pissed off that Indiana has our Bucket at the moment and that my latest memory of Purdue football is getting outcoached in the fourth quarter by Bill-Freaking-Lynch. Sure, we should be happy with a 70-37-6 overall lead in the series and a 56-27-3 in the Bucket portion of the series, virtually guaranteeing that I will never see Indiana take the lead in either category, but those are slight concessions when I see the empty dust ring in the Mollenkopf where the Bucket should be.

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The Bucket has resided in West Lafayette for 57 of the football seasons since 1925 (Purdue maintained possession after the 15-15 tie in 1958). It has been in West Lafayette in 11 of the 14 seasons since Joe Tiller revived the program in 1997. That is why I call it our Bucket. For as long as I have been a Purdue fan we have rested on one thing with the up and down nature of our program: "At least we're not as bad as IU." Even with this recent swoon of three straight losing seasons we comforted ourselves that we were at least better than Indiana. That was until November 27, 2010.

For Purdue when we lose the Bucket, it burns us until the next chance to get it back. Purdue has done so with gusto in recent years too. Indiana won it in 1996, but Purdue took it back by force 56-7 in Bloomington the next year. Indiana won in 2001, but Purdue won 34-10 the next season. The best example came in 2008, when Indiana's three point win the season before resulted in a 62-10 beatdown that was the widest margin in the series history the next year.

We, like the rest of the Big Ten, expect to beat Indiana every year. The Hoosiers haven't won two in a row since 1993-94 and haven't won three or more in a row since taking a record four straight from 1944-47.

Only Minnesota-Wisconsin, Missouri-Kansas, Nebraska-Kansas, Texas-Texas A&M, Miami-Cincinnati, North Carolina-Virginia, Auburn-Georgia, and Oregon-Oregon State have been played more than Indiana-Purdue, so there is more history there than a lot of Big Ten rivalries even if it is more of an in-state rivalry. It has only mattered on a national scale in 1967 and 2000. In 1967 the Hoosiers won 19-14 in Bloomington to tie with Purdue and Minnesota for the Big Ten title and earn their lone Rose Bowl bid. In 2000 Purdue beat the Hoosiers 41-13 behind some guy named Drew Brees to go to its last Rose Bowl.

So yes, it may not matter that much outside the state of Indiana, but when you have two programs that traditionally have been in the bottom half of the Big Ten sometimes that is all you have. Unfortunately, I fear we may be back to a "Bucket or Bust" level.

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Can I change my answer from yesterday?

RE: favorite Hoosier memory. Bucket game, 1988, in West Lafayette. A rare Bucket game in which Indiana is heavily favored. Two years prior, IU had shat the bed in what is still referred to as the “Rod Woodson Game”. We had seats in the Ross-Ade end zone bleachers. Purdue, behind a fake punt pass from quarterback/punter Sean McCarthy goes up 7-0. They bring out the big bass drum. They blow their stupid train whistle. Purdue Pete does his little thing with the sledge hammer. And then IU rattles off 52 unanswered. Complete annihilation. Anthony Thompson going off for what seems like about 450 yards.

/wipes tear

by hoosierdaddynow on Apr 15, 2011 6:40 AM CDT reply actions  

There are only so many times we can go around and around about the 2001 game, but here we go again:

a) IU was favored by 3 in that game. The oddsmakers, knowing nothing of the monsoon that was to come, expected IU to win the game.

b) IU had a really good offense that year. The Hoosiers, after restoring Antwaan Randle El to quarterback after the NC State debacle, finished #19 in I-A in total offense and #51 in I-A in scoring offense.

c) I think you guys have drunk enough spiked basketball-on-grass Kool-Aid to make you forget that Purdue’s offense sucked that year. Purdue ranked #105 of 115 I-A teams in total offense, #103 in rushing offense, #97 in scoring offense, and only #72 in passing offense.

This was an IU team that hung 63 on Wisconsin at Camp Randall and 37 on MSU in East Lansing, yet scored only 13 against Purdue. Antwaan Randle El had a very pedestrian game. Yes, the rainstorm probably did slow down one of the offenses—but the offense it slowed was IU’s vaunted attack, not Purdue’s worst-in-the-Big-Ten offense.

The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 15, 2011 7:34 AM CDT reply actions  

John, don't let facts get in the way

You know that beating IU is all that Purdue has. And, admittedly, they have historically done that very well in football. Don’t take that away from TMill. Just pass the Bucket, and let’s sit back and enjoy the Danny Hope era.

by hoosierdaddynow on Apr 15, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair point

Our offense was terrible that year, but we still should be able to score more than seven points

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on Apr 15, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, and IU should have been able to score more than 13, which, despite the win, was IU’s lowest output of the season.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 15, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 15, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

look at all those Ohio State fans

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Apr 15, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

You guys lost that game because your players had never seen so many people in a football stadium, right?

Assuming it’s the 2008 game, and I’m pretty sure it is, what a strange one that is. Every IU-NU game since 2002 has been decided by a touchdown or less, but other than the 2008 game, NU has won all of them. And 2008 featured the worst IU team of the last decade and NU’s best team of the last decade. Go figure.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 15, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would be rather intimidating...

Although it is comforting to see most of the fans in the other team’s colors. We’re most accustomed to that.

In reality, I don’t know if it is the ‘08 game. Could be, but I can’t make out any opposing colors. If you can zoom in on the fan, I’ll know for sure.

by MNWildcat on Apr 15, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 15, 2011 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

This was my favorite Wallpaper of all-time

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on Apr 15, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 15, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 15, 2011 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 15, 2011 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Had the unfortunate experience of watching Purdue give that game away last Fall

Looking forward to getting a few starters back on the field this year and seeing our bucket come home.

Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God

by sea.of.white on Apr 15, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Couldn't you also say that last season's lost was due to extenuating circumstances as well....

given the injuries to starting QB Marve, starting RB Bolden, WR Smith, etc…

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 15, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep. IU has never had any injury to a key player that ever affected a Bucket game. I know you guys have had some bad luck with ACLs lately, but sometimes you act like you are the only school that has ever had a good player miss a game.

The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 15, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that injuries aren't an excuse...

but the projected leading passer, rusher, and receiver all missed the game and we lose in OT. Of course it’s all history at this point. Enjoy the Bucket… but we want it back.

by purwho on Apr 15, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree with you if it was just one player...

but a majority of our projected starters were out with injuries, and our starting QB was playing with a fractured finger on his throwing hand… One year with the bucket is all you get!

Boiler Up! Hammer Down!

by JuJuan some Moore? on Apr 15, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's ok

Somewhere in Bloomington, there’s a bunch of football players walking around with our bucket continually asking each other, “Hey, what the hell do we do with this thing?”

Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God

by sea.of.white on Apr 18, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true. There aren’t as many practical applications for a bucket on IU’s campus as there are at Moo U. But if your ag programs are going to use the thing to hold manure, could you at least hose it out before gameday? It took weeks to remove the stench from the trophy room.

The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 18, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

From your what room?

:) Had too.

Alternately, you could store your trophies in Vegas – becoming quite popular with Big Ten teams.

Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God

by sea.of.white on Apr 18, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have to have somewhere to keep those two Big Ten championship trophies and three bowl champion trophies that our 120 years of football have yielded. Amazingly, we do have room for more.

The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 18, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for describing what losing to Indiana in football feels like

I have learned something new.

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by Cairo on Apr 15, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

it's the ol' one liner

“Yeah, we lost to Indiana last year in football”

“OH, so you’re the one!”

Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.

by Graham Filler on Apr 15, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

If IU didn't wint the Bucket every 5 years or so

Then it wouldn’t be a rivalry would it?

I have a feeling we will get our bucket back this year and keep it for a while.

BTFU

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Apr 15, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Ugh, I hope so.

Illinois used to be the only team IU would beat in the BigTen – man, I hope we didn’t take their place…

by jffiv on Apr 15, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Losing to Indiana?

Whats that like?

If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?

by BuckeyeSki on Apr 15, 2011 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I imagine....

its really gonna chap your ass when tOSU STILL wins the B1G in spite of these things

Enjoy your mediocre season though..

If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?

by BuckeyeSki on Apr 15, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indiana:

the only team we haven’t lost to in the past three years, except for Minnesota.

:’(

by Alex Cook on Apr 15, 2011 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

awww

Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.

by Graham Filler on Apr 15, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking as an Iowa fan . . .

You rascally Indianans are so cute when you have a slap fight.

by Torbee on Apr 15, 2011 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 15, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Played Sir

If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?

by BuckeyeSki on Apr 15, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I knew what was coming. Still, I couldn’t pass an opportunity to remind an Iowa fan about James Motherfuckin Hardy.

The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 15, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Truth

Our most hated enemies have always been our most hated enemies ever since they decided to rename the color yellow to gold.

by Nate H on Apr 17, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

right

Our MOST HATED rival.

Indiana is just hated

Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God

by sea.of.white on Apr 18, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

good thing you explained it

because no one else can relate.

HELP IS ON THE WAY

http://www.insidetheshoe.com/

by SouthBayBuckeye on Apr 22, 2011 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

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