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B1G 2011 // Keeping the Enemy Closer - Old Oaken Bucket Hate, From a Hoosier.

0-7...Indiana was lame-ducking its way through a winless 2010 Big Ten Conference season when an emotional victory over your Purdue Boilermakers came as a pleasant surprise to the Bloomington faithful...John M from Crimson Quarry gives us a blow-by-blow of how this win felt and the background of the IU-PU rivalry...his closing line is especially genius...my thanks to John for the excellent piece piece...

Thanks to the OTE for letting me take this space for the day to discuss the Indiana-Purdue rivalry.  IU-Purdue is one of the longest-lived rivalries in college football, and unfortunately, one of the least consequential on the conference and national stage.  Each school has won only one outright Big Ten championship (Purdue in 1929, IU in 1945).   Since IU and Purdue, along with Minnesota, shared the Big Ten title in 1967, IU hasn't won even a share of the Big Ten title, while Purdue won a share and went to the Rose Bowl in 2000 (Purdue won a share of the title 5 other times between 1918 and 1952).

That's a long-winded way of saying that for most of the history of the IU-Purdue rivalry, the season-ending game between the Hoosiers and Boilermakers has been the only thing either team had to play for.  Before the 1978 season, each team had only one bowl appearance in its history.  That began to change in the late 1970s, and since then, one or both teams has been bowl bound in 19 of 33 seasons.  Unfortunately, the "Bucket or bust" era seems to be back.  In four of the last six seasons, both IU and Purdue have been mathematically eliminated from postseason play by the time the season-ending game rolled around.   

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Tradition dictates that when IU wins, an "I" is attached to the Bucket, and when Purdue wins, a "P" is attached.  Unfortunately, in the minds of Purdue fans, when they win, a "P" is attached, but when IU wins, an asterisk is attached.  Just ask any Purdue fan.  Since Joe Tiller became coach, Purdue has won 11 of the 14 matchups.  One might think that this healthy advantage would lead to a graciousness from Purdue fans, a willingness to concede the IU actually deserved to win on the rare occasions that it has happened.  Nope.  The opposite.  For instance, if you ask any Purdue fan about the 2001 game, you will hear the word "MONSOON!"  The theory is that the heavy rain on that day slowed down Purdue's vaunted offense and resulted in the grind-it-out 13-7 IU win.  Of course, Purdue's vaunted 2001 offense exists only as a figment of Boilermaker imaginations.  In 2001, the Antwaan Randle-El led Hoosier offense, the offense that hung 63 points on Wisconsin in Madison, was #19 in the nation, while Purdue, which replaced Drew Brees with Brandon Hance and a young Kyle Orton, had one of the nation's worst offenses, ranking #105 in Division I-A.  IU was favored, and won despite posting its lowest point total of the season, but we are to believe that it was Purdue that was most affected by the rain (which fell on both sides of the field, if I recall correctly).  The Boilers got their revenge, and IU did not win the Bucket again until 2007.  The 2007 season, of course, is when IU found its way to 7 wins despite the death of Terry Hoeppner.  In the reality that I occupy, the illness and death of a charismatic, beloved, all-around good coach, and replacing him with, well, Bill Lynch, would be considered a disadvantage.  But in Boiler fantasyland, IU won because of "the Hep factor."  No word on why Terry's ghost didn't allow IU to hold its 14-3 lead at Northwestern, or why he allowed Purdue to storm back from a 24-3 deficit in that Bucket game, or why he didn't stop Kellen Lewis from fumbling against Penn State.  It's not my mythology.  I don't doubt that IU used Hoeppner's death as a motivator, but I would rather have had Hep than the "Hep factor." 

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The bottom line is that IU fans were desperate for a Bucket win in good weather, and without the unfair advantage of our coach dying.  And in Purdue's stadium, even.  We dreamed of an asterisk-free Bucket.  The game itself presented strange emotions.  Both teams were out of the running for postseason play.  There was significant doubt about Bill Lynch's future, and for those of us who believed IU would be better off with a new coach, that always creates a rooting conundrum.  But not really.  Seeing that drum, the obnoxious train whistle, the train, the whole obnoxious three-ring-circus-on-acid atmosphere that is Ross Ade Stadium removed any concerns about the coaching situation.  The chance to win at Purdue for the first time since 1996 became the only concern.  It wasn't, at least in my mind, all that long ago that IU had more than held its own at Ross-Ade.  Although IU had lost six in a row before 2010, from 1988-1996 IU won 4 of 5 in West Lafayette.  Still, during the six game losing streak, only one game had been remotely competitive, so it was easy to be pessimistic.  Purdue scored easily on a short pass that turned into a 55 yard touchdown pass, and after IU tied the game at 7-7, the Boilermakers pulled ahead 14-7.  When senior Terrance Turner fumbled a punt return and Purdue used the short field to pull ahead 21-7, I was certain that another Ross-Ade blowout was underway.  Mental toughness never was a hallmark of Bill Lynch's teams, but the Hoosiers had it on that day.  IU pulled to within 7 before halftime, tied the game on the first drive after halftime, and the teams traded scores for the rest of regulation, culminating in Mitch Ewald's field goal to send the game to overtime.  It was a roller coaster of a game.  Despite two key fumbles by Terrance Turner and a boneheaded ejection drawn by Terrence Thomas for taking a swing at a Purdue player, IU somehow held on.  When overtime began, Purdue quarterback Rob Henry, who had an excellent day...perhaps had too good a day.  After a 19 yard completion on the first play from scrimmage, Henry apparently forgot that he was a run first quarterback.  With Purdue within striking distance of the end zone, Henry threw an interception to IU's Jeff Thomas, which allowed IU to set up for the game winning field goal.

I love home games, of course, but if there is a better feeling in college football than winning on road, I don't know it.  Sadly, since Bill Mallory was fired, IU has won only six Big Ten road game.  Seeing one's favorite team celebrate with the hardy contingent of visiting fans while the home crowd slinks out silently (or, in the case of Purdue fans, sticks around to hurl profanities and obscene gestures at the IU players) is one of the greatest sights in athletics.  And, of course, in a rivalry game, it means that the trophy will be defended at home next season. 

The inevitable asterisk, of course, was that Purdue had injury problems.  If I put an asterisk on every game in which IU had injury problems, then it turns out we actually would be a perennial power.  I certainly can't dispute that Purdue's injury problems were worse than usual, but IU played the game without its best running back, Darius Willis, and many of IU's teams have been riddled with injuries by the time the Bucket game rolled around.  Ultimately, seeking even the grudging respect of Purdue fans is a waste of time.  Many Purdue fans that I know won't even acknowledge that IU had better teams than Purdue when Bill Mallory was the coach.  All IU can do is try to start its first Bucket game winning streak since the mid 1990s, sit back, and find out why it doesn't really count.

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I think John M...

…is one of the few IU fans that roots for IU football and not Notre Dame football.

Many props.

http://enginerdknows.blogspot.com

by Docjay00 on Apr 29, 2011 12:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

This was one of my favorite pieces written about IU football…so much emotion and John really lays out what being a part of the OOB is about.

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by Graham Filler on Apr 29, 2011 6:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks, although the catalog of “great pieces written about IU football” is pretty slim. “Under a blue-gray October sky, the Hoosiers of Indiana…got curbstomped by the Chicago Maroons, 37-0.”

The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog

by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh. I should have proofread better. “Three-ring-circus-on-acid,” among others.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 7:01 AM CDT reply actions  

We’ll see. As I said, it’s a nice feeling, for the first time since 1995, to have the opportunity to defend it at home and to try to get on a little winning streak.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

obnoxious three-ring-circle-on-acid atmosphere that is Ross Ade Stadium

Isn’t Knothole (sp?) Park in Bloomington?

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 29, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes. Not sure what that has to do with two dozen baton twirlers, the midwest’s largest drum, and a train whistle that actually blows steam. All you guys need are a dancing bear and some clowns to pile into the Boilermaker Special.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well-played. I certainly admit that IU could not (and would not want to) pull off that look but for the tradition of excellence associated with that look.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easier way

You could also just wake up next to one after a long night at the Neon Cactus

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Apr 29, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trophy Series Purdue leads, 56–27–3
All-Time Series Purdue leads, 70–37–6

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 29, 2011 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

John M is clearly...

…a Indiana fan who actually makes it in to the stadium. A rare breed indeed. I know 7 IU guys through work. None of them ever, not once, made it out of the tailgate lot during their 4 years at IU. 4 different graduating classes and they all said the same thing.

So, hats off to John! ;o)

by GoAUpher on Apr 29, 2011 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, it’s not that rare. We do manage to get 35,000 or so even for non-conference games where the visitors don’t bring many fans, so it’s not completely hopeless. Not that 35,000 is a huge crowd, but it’s also not miniscule in the grand scheme of things. And despite the product on the field, student and overall attendance has improved in the last couple of years. Still, that breed exists, is a major cultural problem relating to IU football, and makes me really, really angry. Do the jerkoffs sound like they are almost bragging about it when they say they never went to a game? I thought so. Here’s a link to a piece I wrote teeing off on those people.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

…your article sums it up well. Never understood it myself either. There was a perverse sense of pride in it that just weirded me out. I forgave them for their idiocy when they introduced me to Sink the Biz.

by GoAUpher on Apr 29, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sink the Biz will get me killed one day

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by JustAJ on May 1, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Nothing annoys me more than IU grads who root for ND Football and only care about IU when its convienent.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 29, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That makes two of us

I don’t like Purdue. I despise Notre Dame.

by hoosierdaddynow on Apr 29, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

students only go to the big games

when we graduate we’ll go to them all. But the women provide much better things to look at than our atrocious football team. Kevin Wilson has been vocal about that problem and is hopefully going to fix it. I hate feeling so alone when at the games and in the student section.

THAT being said, I was at the Bucket Game this year in West Lafayette and stood in the student section. It appears they have the same problem.

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by JustAJ on May 1, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, why was Bama not allowed to write this post?

As we all know, Iowa is actually Purdue’s “OMHR.”

by GoAUpher on Apr 29, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

see

now we’re rollin

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by Graham Filler on Apr 29, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait...

…are we reposting Wisky version again or is this the IU version? And since WI has a Worst State shirt for Indiana does IU have the same for WI? Inquiring minds want to know!

by GoAUpher on Apr 29, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have Illinois: Worst State Ever shirts

in the downtown Bloomington, IU Shops

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by JustAJ on May 1, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

This just proves why iowa is better than everyone else

Because this comment more or less happens in every single thread made in OTE, and if we are that hated we must be doin somethin right.

by justsomehawkeyefan on May 1, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lane Kiffin approves of that statement.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 1, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Article

Great write up. I am a Purdue Alum, and it is funny because those are all the same excuses that I come up with for each of the IU wins. The monsoon, the HEP factor, and everyone on our team being injured. I think that since the Brees/Orton era, we have a hard time swallowing that our team is not in the top of the B1G conference anymore.
So, since I haven’t said it before, good win at Ross Ade Hoosiers. You deserved it. No asterisk.
When does Basketball season start again?

by bocktown on Apr 29, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

The asterisk for 2010 is.....

Danny Hope is our coach

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 29, 2011 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

And he lost to a coach who once lost 19 in a row at Ball State. I raise your asterisk with a double asterisk.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

touché

There really is no excuse for losing to Bill Lynch

>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry for me, MSU --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycDSLYHJHwo

by sea.of.white on Apr 29, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is fun

Let’s do an asterisk article and see what every school’s asterisk is…GENIUS

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by Graham Filler on Apr 29, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've actually thought about this before

Purdue-losses to Indiana
Indiana-football
Northwestern- pre 1995
Wisconsin- pre Barry Alvarez
Iowa- pre Hayden Fry
Minnesota- post WWII
Michigan- 2008-present
Nebraska- Callahan
Penn State- 2000-2004
Michigan State- Maybe the John L Smith era?
Illinois-?
Ohio State- John Cooper? Pre-Francis Schmidt?

by nuftw on Apr 29, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan State- Maybe the John L Smith era? And Bobby Williams era.

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 29, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Illinois – post Dick Butkus era

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable

by ClaybornSmash on Apr 29, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minnesota- post WWII JFK

Corrected

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on May 2, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

Minnesota- post WWII JFK

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on May 2, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

  • Bill Callahan era.

In the deed, the glory.
Corn Nation!

by Aaron Musfeldt on Apr 30, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You win!

Ever Grateful. Ever True.

by PurdueMatt on Apr 29, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Ratio

No mention of The Ratio? Cmon IU, this needs more hate!!

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Apr 29, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Well-stated, John

And as much fun as the game was this past year — I was in the middle of a conversation with someone, stopped abruptly and began dancing around and shouting when Thomas picked off that pass in OT — the BEST part was that Purdue fans’ greatest insult was that beating Purdue was not even enough to save Lynch’s job. My family attended probably 25 Bucket games in a row up until the mid-90’s with some friends who were Purdue fans. After Purdue won in 1982, the Purdue fans were upset because it meant that IU would fire Corso, but Purdue would retain Leon Burtnett. So bonus this year: we got to have our cake and eat it, too.

by hoosierdaddynow on Apr 29, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Every Bucket win since 1994 has involved some degree of coaching controversy:

1996 – Mallory had already been fired but was allowed to finish the season
2001 – Cam got fired anyway
2007 – Lynch probably secured the job with the win
2010 – Lynch got fired anyway.

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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Apr 29, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cam freaking deserved to get fired, though.

He squandered Randle El.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 29, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am curious to see what Friday will be like on Michigan week

Do they even remember what it’s like to beat tOSU? Or Michigan State, for that matter?

by hoosierdaddynow on Apr 29, 2011 1:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Sunflower State Cripplefight would have to be the least consequential rivalry

Kansas hasn’t won a share of the conference title since 1968, and last won an outright title since 1930. Kansas State has one title – in 1934.

by Albino Tornado on Apr 29, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Kansas State got a title in 2003

Or, to put another way, more recently than Nebraska

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on May 1, 2011 11:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The 'N' stands for Nowledge

"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy

by BentNotBroken on May 1, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

2010

Last years loss was utterly terrible, and really tied off the whole shit season with the gut wrenching home loss. Ugh makes me want to vomit just thinking about it. Well, I’ve had a while to think about it now and as much as I HATE losing the Bucket I’m somewhat glad we got beat. If we won, it may have given a false premise that things with the football team were going to be alright and maybe there is something good to come. But no, we lost, and that fully exposes the Coach and program and puts on full pressure this year. I don’t want it covered up. I want full out in the open pressure on Coach Hope and the whole team to perform this year, and a subtle reminder to the team every week that we lost the Bucket should serve as good motivation.

No asterisk from this die hard. We lost. At home. This is a rivalry game and I know it and they are fought tough. We cant win every game, if we did it wouldnt be a rivalry. We will have our chance this year to get our Bucket back and if Hope wants to show his face in WL in 2012 he better bring it home.

BTFU

BTFU

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Apr 29, 2011 8:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

put me in the minority then

Because last year’s loss counts. Even with the injuries we were the better team and we crapped the bed at home.

A futile crusade to prevent mass ignorance

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by BoilerTMill on May 3, 2011 10:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

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