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B1G 2011 // Penn State Point/Counterpoint

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Once again it's time to take sides, as I simultaneously play advocate and Devil's Advocate.  This week sees the Penn State Nittany Lions put under the microscope.  As always, there are no shortage of post-spring storylines in Happy Valley, but have no fear BSD readers, we won't be discussing whether or not this year will be Joe Pa's last on the sidelines.  Although Paterno's longevity will always inspire debate, I've set my sights on a far more interesting question: Will Penn State play in the first ever Big Ten Championship Game on December 3rd in Lucas Oil Stadium?

POINT: Penn State will manage to ride a stingy defense and functional running game into the inaugural Big Ten Championship Game

Is Penn State's glass half-empty or half full in 2011? I'll admit, there's no clear answer to the quarterback quandary, but take a look at what else the Lions have on deck.  Here is a team that returns a respectable 16-starter cadre that's nicely balanced with eight first teamers on each side of the ball.  The Lions' strengths include a succession of solid linebackers, veteran wide receivers and capable running backs.  Is it just me or does this Penn State team look a lot like the 2007 Ohio State Buckeyes?

I know no self-respecting PSU alum would ever admit it, but Ohio State has proven you don't have to be firing on all cylinders to win the B1G, you just have to button down the hatches on defense, limit mistakes on offense and win the field position battle. The Nittany Lions are equipped to do all three, with a classic Tom Bradley defense and solid skill position athletes in tow.  The glue that holds this team together is quarterback Matt McGloin.  And while McGloin might not be mistaken for a game-changer behind center, he fits the mold of the classic risk-adverse signalcaller, a la Todd Boeckman.

It says here that Penn State rides a punishing defense and capable ground game to a 5-0 start in Big Ten play.  Skeptical?  Indiana is Indiana, there's no way Iowa is going to sneak out of State College for the umteenth time with a win, and from there, a sweep of games versus Purdue, at Northwestern and Illinois isn't a stretch.

What's next?  A bye week, followed by an admittedly punishing stretch, versus Nebraska, at Ohio State and at Wisconsin.  If the Lions can win either on the road in Columbus or Madison, they've got a shot at landing atop the Leader's Division.

To be sure, Ohio Stadium and Camp Randall are formidable places to play, but with the Buckeye's off field troubles, and the Badger's loss of key personnel, Joe Pa might be able to steal a signature victory and a spot in the B1G's first championship game.

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COUNTERPOINT: Questions at quarterback and soggy line play will sink Penn State into the Big Ten's second tier

As Tom adeptly pointed out several seasons back, teams that return only their quarterback and skill position players, often struggle to compensate for inexperience at the line of scrimmage.  It haunted Penn State in 2009 and it will again in 2011.

And this time around the Lions don't have a playmaker they can count on behind center.

A defensive front that was 101st in the nation in sacks last year and an offensive line that averaged only 143 yards on the ground per game will hamstring the otherwise experienced Nittany Lions.  Sure, they field an above average defense, but an offense that lacks identity will fail to score points consistently in conference play.

After Matt McGloin mucks things up in an early conference loss to Iowa, Joe Paterno replaces him with Robert Bolden, who promptly tries to do too much and puts up career low numbers against Nebraska -- closing out the season with three straight losses.

Penn State's 4-4 conference record matches 2010, and is a disappointment by any measure.

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This week...

MONDAY | Penn State Cocktail Party Preview

TUESDAY | Point/Counterpoint

WEDNESDAY | 4th and 3

THURSDAY | OTE Potluck

FRIDAY | Keeping the Enemy Close - Rival Blogger Interview

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It can go either way.

I think Penn State is going to be decent. After some experience last year, whichever QB they play, I think they can compete in the B1G.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on May 17, 2011 5:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I must've watched a different QB last year
McGloin…fits the mold of the classic risk-adverse signalcaller

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by 06Lion on May 17, 2011 5:47 AM CDT reply actions  

that was my thought, as well.

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by KenK on May 17, 2011 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will Penn State play in the first ever Big Ten Championship Game on December 3rd in Lucas Oil Stadium?

Chances are slim to none

If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?

by BuckeyeSki on May 17, 2011 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Penn State's lines and LBs were so young and spent so much of last year injured

that judging them too much based on last season (which, I understand, is really all anyone has to go by, but still) doesn’t make a convincing argument.

At a minimum, all are more experienced and deeper than last year’s units, and that, combined with near obnoxious levels of talent and depth at WR, RB, and CB and a much more favorable schedule lead me to believe that this team will put up a significantly better record than last year’s team. Whether or not that means a trip to the Big Ten Championship game or not depends on a variety of unknowns, including, but not limited to, the play of the QB(s).

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by ckmneon on May 17, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

McGloin is like the anti-Boeckman

He takes a LOT of risks with the ball, especially intermediate passes over the middle and deep along the sideline. And outside the pocket.

God, I would have a heart attack every time I saw him scrambling outside the box and pointing downfield trying to direct traffic.

by psuwxman on May 17, 2011 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

And as an addendum,

I would say that while they probably wished McGloin played more like Boeckman, I think he’s way too brash and high on himself to stick to that style of play.

As much as Bolden held himself back and checked down too often last year, the coaching staff put him in some (excuse my French) fucking impossible spots to succeed. The play calling was predictable as I’ve ever seen it (runs on first and second down and a fade pass on third down EVERY trip to the red zone, it seemed like) and when it wasn’t predictable, it was head-scratch-inducing at best (end arounds and reverses on second and long?).

It is what it is. I’ll be honest, I really do expect a big jump from whoever takes the reigns in the offense this year— though I think we all agree Bolden has the most room to grow, the most headroom between him and his ceiling.

by psuwxman on May 17, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

McGloin was definitely fun to watch

However, that doesn’t mean he was any good. From an outsider I like Bolden a lot better. It also seems like what happens to Iowa RBs is what happens to Penn State O-linemen. No matter how deep your team is it’s always difficult to replace a solid starter.

by mikjones24 on May 17, 2011 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Bolden seems to be the better QB, when not handcuffed by a limited understanding of the playbook (from what I saw anyways) Gotta agree with psuwxman that the playcalling was horrendous when Bolden saw action, especially against ’Bama. However, I was incredibly smashed by the time that game was broadcasted, after celebrating a win over the U on High St, and could be waaaaaaaaay off

If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?

by BuckeyeSki on May 17, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

If McGloin could actually be that risk-averse QB, I'd be fine with him.

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by Run Up The Score on May 17, 2011 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

And if John Stocco hadn't gotten sacked a billion times against Penn State in 2005

maybe Wisconsin makes that game closer.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 17, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much.

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by Run Up The Score on May 17, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, she’d be a hermaphrodite.

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by Jon Ross on May 17, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that it is the glass half full write-up

but you don’t really believe this

here’s no way Iowa is going to sneak out of State College for the umteenth time with a win

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by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on May 17, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

My best case scenario has us at 11-1, with the loss to Iowa making up the only blemish.

by OctaShields on May 17, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahahhhaha

Ya’ll are on your A-Game with witty comments today.

Iowa does seem to own PSU of late. Is it mental, circumstantial, karma, physical, or what?

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by Graham Filler on May 17, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the B1G football hierarchy of coaching respect

Paterno respects Kirk Ferentz to a point where he appreciates getting out coached by KF.
Same for KF and Pat Fitzgerald. KF likes how PF runs his program thus is ok by getting out the fuck coached.

It’s an effort to promote ethical and principled coaching approaches. OSU may need the NCAA to help understand. Brewster taught the Goophs, like RR did to AA.

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by BentNotBroken on May 17, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is a great photo. JP looks like he’s getting spruced up to go wenching. I wish I had that energy.

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by KenK on May 17, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

How YOU doin?

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by Ted Glover on May 17, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of the B1G championship game:

Does anyone know off hand what the tie breaks are?

Do divisional games count “more” than non divisional games?

Would a 6-2 (3-2, 3-0) Nebraska go to the title game over a 5-3(5-0,0-3) Iowa team?

I understand we look at the B1G schedule as a whole but with unbalanced schedules shouldn’t winning your division count for something? Especially since in the scenario above Iowa would have beaten Nebraska.

by MSULaxer27 on May 17, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

The tiebreakers haven't been set in stone yet

But, as I understand them, in your scenario, Nebraska would go to the Championship Game based on their better in-conference record. In the event of a tie at the top of a division, it is head-to-head, then conference record, then division record. Obviously the last two only come into play in the event of a 3-way split.

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by HoyaGoon on May 17, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what seems kind of odd.

If divisional record doesn’t come into to play until the last tie break in a three way tie, then why have divisions at all?

If you’re going to have a division and only one team from that division can represent said division in a championship game, shouldn’t the team with the best record against its division go to the championship game? Or am I using logic that the legends and leaders won’t allow?

by MSULaxer27 on May 17, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not just have all the teams in the conference play 8 games assigned arbitrarily (pretty much how the divisions and out of division rivalries were assigned) and have the teams with the two best records play for the championship?

It will save the arguments when a 7-1 Purdue is excluded from the championship game when a 4-4 Minnesota goes because it won (hypothetical) its division.

by MSULaxer27 on May 17, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying it makes sense

and it hasn’t been finalized yet, but this is the order as I understand it. Overall conference record before divison makes sense if you have a situation where Team A goes 7-1 in conference (4-1, 3-0) while Team B goes 5-3 (5-0, 0-3) but beats Team A.

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by HoyaGoon on May 17, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

NCAA rules would not allow it.

You need to have at least twelve teams and two divisions to be eligible to conduct a CCG.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 17, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Button down the hatches????

You sir, may button down the hatches, but the majority of us batten down the hatches.

by Jdub1126 on May 17, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I generally try to keep my hatch buttoned down. Personal modesty.

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by KenK on May 17, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somehow, I've never seen this description and I love it.

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by Run Up The Score on May 18, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's...perfect.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 18, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ohio State invented the "risk-adverse" strategy? Really?

" but Ohio State has proven you don’t have to be firing on all cylinders to win the B1G, you just have to button down the hatches on defense, limit mistakes on offense and win the field position battle." -- Please, that’s been Joe Pa’s strategy since the Stone Ages.

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by rmcmillen50 on May 17, 2011 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

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