B1G 2011 // Keeping the Enemy Closer - PSU: 1994? Umm...Let's Discuss 1982 Instead
by Graham Filler on May 20, 2011 4:00 AM CDT
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Print'Tis Rivalry Friday and yeah, Penn State doesn't really have a true Big Ten rival. I know Michigan is hated, I know OSU has played some classics of late, but...I don't know. Nothing moves my soul this week. So hey, why not let the newly rival-less Nebraska Cornhuskers take a few shots at the Nittany Lions? Big Husker Mike (honestly, that sounds like someone who would just crush your face at a trucker-filled bar, we're going to get along with Nebraska folk just fine here in the Big Ten) of the wonderful Cornnation blog gave me a few thoughts on finding themselves in the same damn conference as occasional nemesis Penn State. Plus he finished the article with conciliatory language, mentioning his excitement about joining the Big Ten. God, these Husker fans are twelve levels of goodness.They're like Santa Claus; lots of red and white, very dedicated, always jolly. My thanks to Mike, plus I threw in a poll question pitting 5 years from now PSU v. 5 years from now Nebraska...
When people think about Nebraska and Penn State, many fans harken back to 1994 when both teams went undefeated. But the national championship went to Nebraska, much to the chagrin of Penn State fans. The two teams had flip-flopped in the polls during the season, especially when Nebraska had to turn to walk-on Matt Turman as quarterback after Tommie Frazier and Brook Berringer landed in the hospital with various maladys. Penn State fans probably felt indignant about getting passed over by the Huskers without losing, yet they didn't see much wrong with the Huskers previously getting dropped for having their top two quarterbacks get injured. Would Penn State have remained undefeated that season if Kerry Collins missed most of the season?
What? We went undefeated and all we get to show for it was a lousy "Rose Bowl Champions" tee shirt?
We'll never know the answer to that question, of course. So when I hear Penn State fans complain about 1994, I usually just shrug my shoulders. At that time, it wasn't like the Big Ten really cared much about playing for the national championship. The goal of Big Ten teams traditionally has been to play in the Rose Bowl, and Penn State got their Rose Bowl title. Mission Accomplished, I guess.
But was Penn State deserving of more? I'm not sure what that could be. Should Nebraska and Penn State both been declared co-champions? While that seems like the sportsmanlike thing to do, there's one problem with that: Nebraska was clearly the better team in 1994.
We'll never know for sure, but when I'm asked what would happen if a BCS title game had existed in 1994, I have a simple answer: Nebraska would win, probably by two touchdowns. That 1994 team was a pretty dominant team that still managed to win despite losing one the greatest players in college football history for most of the season. They throttled a pretty darn good Colorado team without Frazier, and blew out UCLA with him. And the cherry on top of it all? Defeating Miami on their home field, in the Orange Bowl, at night. Miami hadn't lost a night game at home in years, and the 1994 Huskers slayed that beast in their own lair.
Maybe that's not fair to Penn State fans, since they didn't have the opportunity to do the same. That argument might carry some weight if it hadn't been for 1982. No, we haven't forgotten how Penn State stole a national title from Nebraska thanks to two bad calls that even the Penn State student newspaper called amongst the worst ever in college football history.
With seconds left, Penn State quarterback Todd Blackledge threw to Mike McCloskey who leaped to catch the ball, landing well out of bounds. But the referees ruled it a catch, and gave Penn State the ball at the Husker two yard line with nine seconds left. On the next play, Kirk Bowman trapped a Blackledge dumpoff pass in the end zone for a gift touchdown. Nebraska fans howled. Dan Young, who later would join the Nebraska coaching staff as an offensive line coach, marketed a t-shirt that showed the Beaver Stadium field with the sideline moved an extra 20 feet out to accommodate McCloskey's catch.
Penn State would go on to win the national championship that season, while Nebraska would finish 11-1. So pardon some of us older Nebraska fans if we find complaints about 1994 a little disingenuous. Hard to feel sympathy about 1994 when 1982 was downright stolen.
So now Nebraska and Penn State are "designated rivals" in the Big Ten. Since we're the new kids on the block, we've left all of our rivals behind. But we do know something about a "forced rivalry"...and that it doesn't really work. Rivalries evolve; they cannot be created. Bill McCartney tried to unilaterally designate Nebraska as Colorado's "rival"...but the feeling was never really mutual. Sure, we scoffed at the idea, even after ABC tried to enforce it with a "Day after Thanksgiving" game...but it never became a rivalry to Husker fans. When Colorado was good, it was a big game, but it never reached rivalry status from our perspective. Missouri tried to heat it up in recent years as well, but it never became a rivalry that transcended the game itself.
So will Nebraska and Penn State become rivals? It's too early to tell; much of it will depend on how competitive the matchups will be. I feel pretty confident that in the forseeable future, Nebraska under Bo Pelini should be ready to contend for the West Division title (Legends? Leaders? Who knows, who cares. It's mostly the western teams, so I go with that.) If you aren't familiar with Pelini's reputation as defensive mastermind, you soon will. With Pelini, it isn't so much scheme as it is precision and development, putting the best combination of players on the field in position to stop the opposing offense. In the Big XII, that meant using smaller linebackers in nickel and dime packagess to cover the wide open spread offenses so prevalent. That philosophy won't work as well in the Big Ten, so expect Pelini to adjust to shut down the running game.
Will Penn State remain a power in the East Division? From the outsiders' perspective, Penn State has been a hot-and-cold team, with some really good teams some years, and some not-so-good teams other years. Husker fans will be spending a lot of time getting to know the other teams in the Big Ten, so I won't begin to pull a snow job and declare whether Penn State is going to be having a really good or a really mediocre season. I get the feeling that as long as JoePa is the coach, Penn State will be in this mode. And I don't think Paterno is willingly going to retire anytime soon. Either Paterno's health will fail him, or the administration will force him out, like Florida State did with Bobby Bowden.
And then, all bets are off. No coach wants to willingly follow the legend. Oklahoma struggled after Barry Switzer. Alabama struggled after Bear Bryant retired. Nebraska actually didn't do too badly after Tom Osborne retired, though some fans didn't appreciate it until encountering the Bill Callahan Clusterfool.
(What? You wanted more smack talk? We'll probably get there, but we're still in that honeymoon phase. We Husker fans think that you guys like us, so we're going to play nice for a little while. We'll wait for the first screwjob from the Big Ten refs, Jim Delaney hazing us, or basketball season before we get too worked up about it...)
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Two touchdowns?
Preposterous. Not because of anything our defense would have had to say about it, but because our offense wouldn’t have been contained that easily.
I don't know a lot about either 1994 team...
… but I would note that at least 3 BCS title games ended up with a heavily favored BCS #1 team losing the actual game (2002 Miami to Ohio State, 2005 USC to Texas, and 2006 Ohio State to Florida).
Who was favored between Nebraska and Florida in 1995?
Hint: Not Nebraska.
by Albino Tornado on May 20, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows how 1994 PSU-UNL would have turned out, but the majority of people that voted decided that Nebraska was the better of the two that year.
In the deed, the glory.
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by Aaron Musfeldt on May 20, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Majority of "people"
ehhh, I wouldn’t go that far. The majority of writers given the right to vote in a slightly more than purely arbitrary way, sure.
by OctaShields on May 20, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
With seconds left, Penn State quarterback Todd Blackledge threw to Mike McCloskey who leaped to catch the ball, landing well out of bounds. But the referees ruled it a catch, and gave Penn State the ball at the Husker two yard line with nine seconds left.
I’ve yet to see indisputible proof that this wasn’t a catch—your video included. I’m not guaranteeing it was, but you can’t guarantee me it wasn’t.
Additionally, this throw was on, I believe, either 2nd or 3rd down. Saying that Penn State “stole” the game because we got a first down is just flat-out wrong, as neither fan base knows what might have happened had that pass been ruled incomplete. Could Penn State have not made the TD and won? Sure. It’s just as likely, though, that on the next play, Blackledge would’ve completed a different pass for a TD, or a first down, or we would’ve run it with Curt Warner for the 1st down or TD.
I’m not even going to open up the 1994 can of worms.
Fire Dan Snyder
Not sure if serious...
Wow. Selective perception lives.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
How is it selective perception
if the opposite perception is not?
I’m simply saying that even if that call was called incomplete, you can’t guarantee me Nebraska would’ve won. Therefore, the game wasn’t stolen. If this call was made on fourth down, with no shot of Penn State scoring after this, then I might agree with you. It wasn’t. Therefore, nothing was stolen—because we honestly have no idea what would have happened had the call gone the other way.
Fire Dan Snyder
I have no problem with your statement that other things could have happened
And PSU could have won even if the correct call was made (would’ve been quite a bit tougher for them, though).
My statement was in reference to your first sentence:
I’ve yet to see indisputible proof that this wasn’t a catch—your video included. I’m not guaranteeing it was, but you can’t guarantee me it wasn’t.
I really don’t care much about this game, because I’m not nearly as attached to glory of past Husker teams as most Nebraska fans are (and I wasn’t alive in 1982 anyway), but this is kind of like a Colorado fan denying that a fifth down occurred. Some things are just beyond debate at this point.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Talk about selective perception.
You haven’t offered up a video or good argument that it was OOB. Just because it is “beyond debate” in your circle, that doesn’t make it automatically true.
Like you, I don’t have a very emotional connection with this game. However, in this video, when played at full speed, he appears to me to be out of bounds. When it is slowed down at the end, on the other hand, I don’t see anything conclusive either way. In fact, in the blur that was the video quality of the day, it looks to me like he may have been in bounds. If you have a different video, or other photographic evidence, then fine. But the claim that it is “beyond debate” certainly doesn’t get you there.
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by PSUinBOSSton on May 20, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Look
If you want to believe he was inbounds, more power to you. Free country. The rest of us will just call you a homer who has difficulty reconciling your visual perception with your PSU fandom.
Of course the film is blurry – that’s all we have. But anyone who watches that video and believes he was inbounds is choosing to let their emotions trump what visual evidence we do have.
Thinking there might be a 1% chance he was inbounds because the video is too blurry to know for sure is rational. Concluding that therefore we have no idea whether he was inbounds – that’s irrational.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
by the “rest of you” calling him a homer…are you speaking of the Nebraska fanbase? because that I could concur with, just as I could call you a homer because you have difficulty admitting that there’s even a possibility he’s not out of bounds.
If you’re using the “rest of us” meaning everyone who’s not a Penn State fan, as I originally read your post, that is, I think, just wrong. I’m sure there are neutral fans who could support both sides, the side that says that this video is indiscriminate proof and those who slow it down like Boss did and don’t find anything conclusive about it.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on May 20, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I meant the rest of college of football
Show the video to neutral college football fans and 90-95% would tell you, “Um, duh, of course he was out.” 5-10% would go, “I don’t know, it’s tough to tell …” 0% would tell you, “Yeah, he was probably in bounds. Nebraska fans are homers for thinking he was out.”
Like I said earlier, I really couldn’t care less about whether that call was the right call – I would get zero satisfaction out of claiming some sort of maybe woulda-coulda-shoulda win in a game that happened before I was born. But I get kind of worked up in general when people disregard obvious evidence in order to fit their preconceived notions and what they wish had happened. (Not going to go much further with that, because then I’d be getting into politics, and none of us wants to go there.)
A totally tangential addendum: True Enough by Farhad Manjoo is a fantastic book on just that subject, and highly recommended.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
PI call on Miami against Ohio State was a great call
//true enough’d
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by Ted Glover on May 20, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, I don't "want to believe he was inbounds".
Quite frankly, as I already stated, it does look an awful lot like he was out of bounds. Let’s say the play happened today. Based on the video, I don’t think it gets overturned. That’s all I’m saying, you can’t tell. That isn’t based on some preconceived notion, and it isn’t disregarding obvious evidence. If there were obvious evidence I would see it, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
To say you can prove it by providing fake statistics of popular opinion is not worth discussing, so I’ll skip the first two there. But as far as your 0%, please go back and read our comments, because you clearly don’t understand what we are saying.
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by PSUinBOSSton on May 20, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right that we'll never know what the college football public thinks about the play without a survey or some crap
I guess I’m guilty of the anecdotal fallacy – until today, I had thought that everyone in college football knew it was a bad call because everyone I’ve ever heard talk about it – plus, obviously, McCloskey – have said so.
Turns out it’s still an open question among Penn State fans. I guess you learn something new every day. I still don’t think there’s any evidence for believing it was inbounds, but you’ve convinced me that the video is about 1% less open-and-shut than I thought it was. Carve a notch into your Internet victory belt. :)
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
One more thought before I'm done
(Because I’ve spent way too much time on this already, but now it’s getting me thinking about the authority of video evidence and certitude and all that fun stuff)
I think the main difference between what we’re saying lies in burden of proof.
Essentially, my main point has been that there’s no evidence on that video that he was inbounds – in other words, I’m putting the burden of proof on the side that says it was a legal catch. And I think the reason I’m putting the burden on that side is because the video seems so immediately evident that he was out of bounds – I’m giving the obvious first impression the benefit of the doubt.
Meanwhile, it seems you and NotCarlotta’s main point has been that there’s not conclusive evidence on that video that he was out of bounds – in other words, you’re putting the burden of proof on the side that says it wasn’t a catch. And you’re probably doing that because the call on the field was that he was in bounds – you’re giving the official interpretation the benefit of the doubt.
And really, both of us are right – there’s no evidence that he caught it inbounds, but there’s also not 100% conclusive evidence that he was out of bounds. It’s just a question of where we put the burden of proof, and what we give the benefit of the doubt. I know I’ve way overanalyzed this now – just thought it was an interesting way to look at it.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I thoroughly appreciate this well-thought out approach
and concur. Welcome to the Big Ten!
Fire Dan Snyder
Thanks
I’m sure we will be able to unite over our mutual hatred of both Michigan and Ohio State.
I mean, oh wait, you’re our MOST HATED RIVAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
WHO THE HELL NEEDS A VIDEO
when Mike McCloskey years later admitted he was out of bounds?
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by Jon Johnston on May 20, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
Where was a rational response before this?
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by PSUinBOSSton on May 20, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez, that I was all I had to say if I wanted to be considered rational? :)
I figured you already knew what McCloskey thought about the whole thing.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if it's "indisputable proof"...(whatever that means)...
BUT…Let’s take due notice of something important: Mike McCloskey himself said it was out of bounds.
What does Ricky Stanzi have to do with this?
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Anything having to do with America
Involves the Stanzimerican. I heard he led the raid on Osama’s compound. USA! USA! USA!
If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?
I totally believe that
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
He didn't fire the killshot though
He was just the guy in the background who shouted “BOOM. HEADSHOT.”
Two touchdowns?
Far be it from me to defend Penn St about anything, ever but I don’t think the ’94 Penn St team would have lost by 2 touchdowns to Nebraska. Personally, I think Penn St would have beaten Nebraska that year.
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by devidee33 on May 20, 2011 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And again, not body thought Nebraska would ring up Florida by 5 touchdowns.
But there it was.
Nebraska 1994 was Nebraska 1995 with QB health issues (resolved by bowl time) and more Lawrence Phillips, less Ahman Green.
by Albino Tornado on May 20, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
'94 PSU was the best college offense I've ever seen.
Would’ve been a helluva game with NEB that year.
Kill, Bubba, Kill!
Of course, no one knows for sure...
…but Nebraska in ’94 was very good on BOTH sides of the ball. Penn State in 1994, like Michigan in 1997, was good on one side of the ball only.
by HailVarsity on May 21, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, me too
I ended up picking Nebraska because PSU might be going through the post-JoePa transition, which might be rocky for a couple of seasons. But it’s a tough call, because Bo Pelini’s head could explode at whoever his quarterback might be.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Pelini's head will explode at some point
Of this we can be sure. The only questions are when, why, and on whom.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
On the flip side, when JoePa finally does expire, I mean retire,
the playcalling phonetree might get an upgrade
If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?
I thought the same
about Lynch for years… somehow it never happened.
He sired a baseball team... An orchestra, if you count the bastards!
by SaturdayMorningKegStanzis on May 20, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Cheeseandcorn is right...
Husker fans love Bo. I love Bo (in a totally platonic way…). He has energy, but you feel for the first freshman to think he’s cool and jump into the endzone this year resulting in a TD taken off the board. It’s gonna be ugly. If I was a gameday producer, I would just have a cameraman follow him around so that you can get it on tape. It’ll be pretty damn epic.
by KennardHusker on May 20, 2011 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
TED
The first thing I thought, re: pole question, was -
I want to vote for Nebraska, but if Bo’s head explodes, what happens then?
So I voted for PSU.
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by Graham Filler on May 20, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
See, it's a legitimate dilemma
and one can go either way on that question.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Someone from Carinal Mooney, anyway!
Anyway, this has to be Carl’s last year at Nebraska, doesn’t? He is too hot of a commodity to turn down many more offers.
If we should win, let it be by the code, Faith and Honor held high,
If we should lose, we'll stand by the road, and cheer as the winners go by.
I think if he wants a HC job
… he’s gonna have to be a DC for someone else first. Get out of Bo’s shadow, as it were.
by Albino Tornado on May 20, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he's that hot of a commodity
And I doubt he’s turned down many offers.
As much as Bo says otherwise, the common perception is that Nebraska’s defensive success can be attributed to Bo, not Bo and Carl. And the post-A&M game camera-smashing incident can’t have helped his stock any.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard . . . .
. . . . .he turned down (or at least on top of the lists for) Youngstown St HC and Tennessee DC Also heard he was getting looked at from Mack Brown at Texas for DC.
If we should win, let it be by the code, Faith and Honor held high,
If we should lose, we'll stand by the road, and cheer as the winners go by.
Another year
of great D and developing draft picks like they have, and he could very well get some attention.
Catherine Zeta Jones, she dips beneath lasers.
Agreed,
but DO NOT want to see it happen. Two Pelinis are better than one.
They're 18 to 22...how perfect were you at that age?
The Power of Red begins with the Passion of Walk-Ons.
And there you have it.
The perpetrator admits his guilt.
Now, will the Penn State fans admit, once and for all time, that McCloskey was out of bounds?
They're 18 to 22...how perfect were you at that age?
The Power of Red begins with the Passion of Walk-Ons.
As I found out above
The answer is no. And you and McCloskey are Nebraska homers for thinking he was out of bounds.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Twice now rational responses.
If he says he was out, he was out. A rational response to the comment by NotCarlotta would have been useful some time ago.
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by PSUinBOSSton on May 20, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
A rational response? Such as a video...
showing indisputably that McCloskey was out of bounds?
Look, I’ve got nothing against Penn State. I love Paterno and, if Nebraska wasn’t going to win the NC that year, I’m happy that JoePa got it.
But anybody who thinks McCloskey was in-bounds after seeing that video is either 1.) A Penn State homer, or 2.) A direct lineal descendant of Mr. Magoo.
by HailVarsity on May 21, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
This is one of many times I’ve read an argument that goes “Nebraska was the better team in 1994 because I’m positive there was one bad call in a game twelve years before.” I’ve never really been able to understand what that explains.
If you look at the performance and results from 1994 there’s no possible way you can call either team a significant favorite.
I think you're right
I think for a lot of Husker fans, the ‘94 and ’95 teams kind of get mashed together in their memories. And whereas the ’95 team was one of the most dominant teams in college football history, the ’94 team, while fantastic, wasn’t on that level. The ‘95 Huskers would probably have thumped the ’94 Nittany Lions, but that’s not what the debate is about – and I think Nebraska fans tend to transfer those ’95 properties over to the ’94 Husker team.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy shit
A reasonable Nebraska fan… Never thought I’d see the day…
(Actually, I don’t have negative feelings toward Nebraska, just a couple of douches that visited the boards right after the expansion was announced.)
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by ClaybornSmash on May 20, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
It happens.
Most of the time, the drive-by Husker posters come from the big Husker message boards, which drive a ton of traffic to SB Nation sites whenever they mention the Huskers. The regulars at Corn Nation, on the other hand (as many of your fellow BHGPians have probably found), are generally pretty reasonable and good-natured.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
argghhhh
dammit.
I reserve my right to be a complete loony when it comes to this subject of Penn State, 94, 82, and Kijana Carter.
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by Jon Johnston on May 20, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
...or basketball season before we get too worked up about it...)
Damn it, we still have to play basketball? And I thought the move to the B1G Ten was going to be nirvana.
by Wolvie on May 20, 2011 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
But in the B1G...
you get to say, eh its just basketball, as long as you’re not Indiana.
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Oh good
I’m used to Kansas, who takes hoopyball (copyright: BHGP) way more seriously than it ever should be. Along with Texas and Missouri.
As a poison nut/delicious chocolate and peanut butter treat
I have to say that having a good hooptyball team is basically just a bonus. However, when eight of the teams in the conference are in the top 15 all time all time rankings, you’re going to have an disappointing season or two.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on May 20, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
For those people that care about Nebraska Basketball
I don’t think they have a disapointing season or two. They have disapointing…decades? Generations? I don’t want to say Centuries, because there were those Danny Nee years where the team was…respectable. But we got rid of him for being a jerk, and now we’re back to sucking again.
Hey, we had that one year we won the NIT!
And that other year where we lost in the NCAA’s as a 3 seed!
by Albino Tornado on May 20, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
How I love
a great sense of humor!
They're 18 to 22...how perfect were you at that age?
The Power of Red begins with the Passion of Walk-Ons.
Disappointing?
Nebraska is only in 2nd place among NUs in its own conference in terms of most disappointing college basketball teams…
/Damn You Kevin Coble
//Seriously, we never made the Tourney
Yeah, stop trying to think you're all shitty and stuff.
That’s US. WE suck the most.
Take that. Oh, and welcome.
Now for some real hot hate.
Husker Mike: Thanks, but as you say, Neb’ers are new to the Conference and are still in the “polite” phase. Your various blogs are the only ones in the Conference not gleefully dancing on the imagined soon-to-be-grave of Coach Tressel. And for that we give thee thanks. So, despite being the newly designated conference mandated “rival” for Penn State, the hate aint there yet.
However, we Buckeyes have had some experience with the State Penn. So, if I were one of those people who allowed themselves to be a jerk on the internet, this is how I would free my “inner James” and let the hate flow.
+++++++++++++++++++
What do I hate about PSU? [other than the smell? Peeeyou! -- ha! or the fact that add a letter and rearrange and you get PUSS? -- zing! -- but I digress, which I will do often … ]
One word: crybabies. Every fan base has its reputation: tOSU = a*holes; MI = delusional [“RichRod only needed one more year”]; Wis = dumb drunk frat boys; jNW = oblivious nerdy nice types; IN = oblivious until b-ball season; MSU = yappy little bros with inferiority complexes; etc. [I’ll let the audience complete the list.]
What are PSUers? yappy little bros whining about everything. Here is a short list of things about which they are constantly complaining (and if you have any doubt, go check out BSD).
we didn’t get to join the Big East === waaaaahahhhnnnaaaaaa [think photo of crying baby]
we didn’t get to make/join the Paterno Great Eastern Better Than All The Rest Mythical Conference ===
waaahhhaaaaaanaaaaaa
we had to join the Big Ten === waaaaahhhaaaahhha
the Big Ten stabbed us in the back === wwaaaaaahhaanaaaaaa
[completely wrong, btw; AP poll voters are NOT the Big Ten]
we have won only 1 or 2 or 3 or whatever # of B10 championships since joining === waaahahaaaaaaa
[my response: stop losing to MI and Iowa; tOSU has mostly solved that problem]
MSU was our Conference-Designated rival === waaaahaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaa
[as an aside, imho, was a perfect match; the last two in get matched; plus PSU is to tOSU as MSU is to MI]
the Dark Years are the B10’s fault === waaaoaahahahanananaa
we are east coast, you are midwest === waaaahaahaahahaaaannaaaaaa
Ohio State fans are mean to us === wwaaaaahaaaaaaaa
Ohio State claims a B10 championship in ‘05 even tho’ we won the head-to-head === waaaaahaaaanannnaaa
we have to travel so far === wwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaanaaaaaa
Nebraska got more votes on being admitted to the B10 than we did === waaaahaahaaahanaaaananannanaa
the B10 already loves Nebraska more than they love us === wwwaaaaaaahaalaallanalalalanaananaaaa
I could go on and on and on. Gawd, it is beyond tedious. All I can say is STFU and stop complaining about everything. If you want out of the B10, get out. Pitt would make a fine replacement -— zing!
Then there’s this: Penn State is an attention deprived whore who can’t make up her mind what she wants.
PSU: “waaaahaannnana, no one loves us.”
B10: “okay, baby. We love you; here’s some loving.”
PSU: “waaaahanaaaa, no one hates us enough to be our rival.”
B10: “okay, baby. We hate you now.”
PSU: “waaaaahaananan, everyone hates us.”
Or: Pitt is our rival; Pitt is NOT our rival; we want to play Pitt; we never want to play Pitt. Or: waaaahhaaannaaa we have the ugliest traveling trophy ever; waaaaahhaaannnaa, they are taking away our traveling trophy.
Geez, make up your mind you psycho bitch.
Penn State is like that big breasted brunette that keeps interrupting when you’re hitting on the hot blond. “I’ll do you girl, don’t worry. But can’t you see I’m busy right now?”
Then the big one: Joe Paterno. What a d-bag. I know you can’t hate JoePa cuz he’s old and you’re not allowed to hate old people and blah blah blah blah. But his corpse is giving off fumes. He may have built the PSU football program, but now he’s holding it back (and holding back the B10). He should have retired in 2000 or so (maybe after 2005); Florida State did the right thing. What’s next? After Paterno really dies, Penn State is gonna duct tape his body to a furniture dolly and trundle him along the sidelines during games. That is basically what’s happening now.
And don’t talk to me about 401 wins. That’s a load of fly-infested steaming crap. Paterno hasn’t “coached” in at least five years, more like ten. If you don’t recruit, you are not the coach; if you’re not wearing headphones during the game, you are not the coach. But I’ll be generous and give Paterno 354 wins at most.
And, I’m sorry, but why is the CCG trophy named after Paterno? Ugh! It’s the Woody-Bo Trophy and you all know it.
And …. I don’t know….. miscellaneous hate. State Penn IS too country. I will take Pryor alleged Crier, confirmed Pants Seller over your Mc-PickSix-throw-another-pass-to-Florida-I-have-moxy-Glovin (or whatever the hell his name is). And what IS with the string of lousy quarterbacks. What’s to fear, Morelli is here!! Oh, and let’s have Clark sit on the bench for three years. Yeah, great job, Coach!
And what’s with throwing beer cans and cups of piss, you classless, country-bumpkin band-haters. May your tinker-toy stadium never host a good marching band ever again. And you are NOT Linebacker U anymore. Paterno ruined that for you too. And what IS with your LOUSY b-ball team which can’t practice cuz some lame-ass “rock star” has a concert in the practice facility (or maybe that was some other B10 team)? Geez, you can get a new hockey arena, but the b-ballers are practicing on the playground?
C’mon. You are embarrassing the conference (of which you don’t want to be a part -- rolling my eyes at this point).
Oh, and get a new costume for your mascot. That moth-eaten rag is a disgrace. What is that thing made from? That is some sort of nasty.
In summary: Fuck Penn State and the 100 PSUers that travel to C-bus every other year. (On the other hand, I will admit you folks do a very nice “white out.”)
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So, as said, that is what I would say if I were the type of person that would say such things, which I am not.
g’day to you all.
by WarBuck46410 on May 20, 2011 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
This is where I’m suppose to call you an a*hole right?
In the deed, the glory.
Corn Nation!
by Aaron Musfeldt on May 20, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yes. tho' this is Hate Penn State Week, so get your hate going for PSUers. Make something up if you have to. How about: Paterno is really a woman "Oh I hate her so much."
anyway, I am off to do some actual work. C’mon everyone. Show PUS some hate.
by WarBuck46410 on May 20, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha. I’m new to the conference and all.
Ok. So how about this. I think I heard that Joe Paterno was a stunt double in zombie land.
In the deed, the glory.
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by Aaron Musfeldt on May 20, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Its a good start
..but let your hate flow young jedi
If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?
And this Nebraska fans
is a OSU fan. Remember it well, because it will be coming to your town soon.
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by ClaybornSmash on May 20, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
i hate
to burst his bubble, but as soon as I get my Husker yearbook editing finished, I’m going to start beating on Tressel.
If Ohio State fans wish to align themselves with the man, then they might consider themselves being beat upon.
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by Jon Johnston on May 20, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
As well you should
OSU fans are hilarious right now. Somewhere between angry, schadenfreude, circle-the-wagons and ZOMGITSACONSPIRACY
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by ClaybornSmash on May 20, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim Tressel will take your beating
and defiantly give you and the rest of the world the finger from the sideline. I’m starting to believe that unless someone produces pictures of Tressel in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, he ain’t going anywhere.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
While you may be right about the live boy or dead girl thing
I haven’t been nearly as hard on Tressel as most people. OSU knew what they were getting by the reputation he’d earned at YSU: a consistent winner and champion who is a master at the art of plausible deniability in the face of trouble. For OSU to fire him would be to fire the guy they intended to hire, one 10.1 violation notwithstanding.
OSU has 3 program goals that are posted (or at least used to be) in the locker room.
1. Earn an OSU degree
2. Win the Big Ten Championship
3. Beat Michigan
Cooper as abysmal at meeting those goals. Tressel has proven to be the guy OSU hired and has been excellent at achieving the program goals. While I or anyone else can be angry that he embarrassed OSU or the B1G or even argue that he should lose his job for it, it’s hard to argue that he hasn’t been exactly the guy OSU intended to hire.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have many responses to this, of course, which I won't go into
but, who ever said that the Dark Years were the Big Ten’s fault? I have never heard that. Because that’s just ridiculous.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on May 20, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice
Non denial denial there at the end.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Jesus
Based on the formatting and horrible sentence structure, I thought for sure I was reading another one of the “Check out ”http://www.lidzrimz.com" target="_blank">www.lidzrimz.com"-type spam posts.
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by 06Lion on May 20, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
I appreciate things that are funny or at least passionate and biting in their vitriol. That was just generally not very well done, in my opinion, and I didn’t even see any offers for an Ed Hardy bikini.
by OctaShields on May 20, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It really is too bad
that he doesn’t accept the Paypals.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on May 21, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd!!!!!!!!!!!!
…and many thanks to you good sir. And might I add in that State Penn’s all time leading rusher, Mr. Evan Royster, wouldnt sniff the three-deep on any tOSU squad, because he in fact, is hot garbage. Way to pad those stats against Temple, and rush for 44 or so yds against the big boys sir. BRAVO!
HATE! HATE! HATE!
If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?
LOL... yes, I forgot to lamblast and lampoon their "mighty" running attack.
Pile on everyone. Surely, there must be some MI pity out there (but for the last three years) and some Minny gloating and some Indiana obliviousness and some Purdue whatever and some jNW “dammit, we almost won” out there. Let’s make PSU feel very much at home.
by WarBuck46410 on May 20, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
We are better than all of you...
In some tangential, obscure hipster kind of way
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
McCloskey was in bounds
And Penn State had the same win% against a better schedule than Nebraska in either 94 or 95
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read the google article posted by JStowell above . . .
. . . even McCloskey admitted he was out of bounds. Repost from JStowell below:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GqEgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2GgFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2590%2C1050765
If we should win, let it be by the code, Faith and Honor held high,
If we should lose, we'll stand by the road, and cheer as the winners go by.
I don't care who said what
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to give us your smoking gun
It always helps to make sure said gun is smoking, or at least a gun.
by Cheeseandcorn on May 20, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
The truth hurts, especially when you've convinced yourself of a lie for almost 30 years
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
Go Big Red Nebraska!
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by Jon Johnston on May 20, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
this is incorrect and has been edited based on newer technology
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Corn Nation!
Twitter!
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by Jon Johnston on May 20, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
ack
Go Big Red Nebraska!
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Corn Nation!
Twitter!
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by Jon Johnston on May 20, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Wow, Mangino
was still pretty fit back then. His diet must have spiraled out of control after this play.
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by PSUinBOSSton on May 20, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
While poor picture quality and not really proof of anything significant
two indisputable facts from that picture and the video from which it came:
At the moment the view of the football becomes obstructed by McCloskey’s body, (1) his left foot is, at the very least, mostly in bounds, and possibly all in bounds, and (2) his right foot, while almost certainly in the plane above out of bounds, had not yet touched down out of bounds.
Whether or not McCloskey was juggling the catch (can’t tell either way) or if the left foot was completely in bounds (again, impossible to be certain either way) are things that cannot be ascertained.
I’m willing to concede that it was a close call and that without at least another camera angle and instant replay, we will never know for sure whether or not he caught the ball. I just want one Nebraska fan, one time, to either:
1. Concede that it was a close call that really could go either way
2. Produce picture or video proof that it was not a catch. Show that McCloskey was out of bounds before he had possession of the ball.
Until #2 happens, I’m going to lean toward the notion that it was a catch. The two facts above are consistent with a catch. Two refs with a much better view than the video provides call it a catch.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're basically telling McCloskey he's a liar?
He himself says it was out of bounds, he has nothing to gain or lose in this situation, but you’re going to bury your head so far in either the sand or your own ass that your going to call him a liar?
It is what it is and we are who we are.
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by nateforchiefs on May 27, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Facts. You don't have them.
1994 Nebraska beat 5 top 25 teams. 1995 Nebraska beat 4 top 10 teams by an average score of 49-18.
Try again.
Look at the average and median average rankings of the teams on the schedule
not just the top 25%
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
94 Penn State
didn’t play one really good quality team. I think most anyone would agree that any team that goes through a major conference and finishes the year with 10 wins and 2 or fewer losses is a quality team.
94 Nebraska played two of those and beat both at less than full strength.
4 and 5 loss teams that 94 PSU sometimes struggled to beat are not quality teams. Just very average. Guess that makes 94 PSU barely above average.
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
5 teams in the Congrove top 25
and not one quality win? When Nebraksa only had 3? When PSU had a higher average and median average schedule? Nebraska fans may even be better than Michigan fans at denial (we did not boo Tom Brady! we did not fire Lloyd Carr! we did not try to hire Les Miles twice!)
The median average (arithmetic average of the middle 50%) of PSU’s schedule had an average rank of 38.3. That only 2.3 spots worse than the fourth best team on 94 Nebraska’s whole schedule and 3.7 spots better than the 5th best team.
PSU struggled with Illinois (if finishing the game on a 95 yard TD drive and putting up 30+ points on the nation’s #1 total defense and coming back from 21 down can be called a “struggle.”) PSU solidly beat a good Michigan team on the road, even if that game was still interesting in the 4th.
Other than that, no game was interesting. Don’t let an Indiana team that scored 14 late points against PSU’s 3rd stringers fool you.
And median average and average are the exact opposite of twisting the numbers. They give you the most representative samples.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FAct
remains that 94 PSU still didn’t play one team that finished the season with 10 or more wins or 2 or fewer losses.
It is what it is and no amount of analyzing data and stats can change that fact. It just is what it is.
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Fact
Nebraska only played 3 teams in the top 35, but played four ranked #70 or worse. Penn State played 5 in the top 25. It is what it is.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When
Are you going to answer my question? How many teams did 94 PSU play that ended the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses?? I acknowledge that as a whole statistically 94 PSU may have played a somewhat more difficult schedule than 94 Nebraska.
Often though a true measure of a team is playing against other very good teams. And apparently 94 Nebraska played in a better conference than 94 PSU.
FACT head to head record of Big 8 and Big 10 in 1994; Big 8 4 – 2
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait one minute..
Illinois was NOT the #1 Total Defense in 1994!
- Total defense was Miami
- Scoring defense was Miami
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Mea culpa
Illinois was #1 at the time they played PSU, but not at the end of the year.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give me
that BS “when they played.” Like the end of year polls determine a national champion the only thing that matters is end of year ranking in statistical categories.
And who was # 2 in scoring and total defense in 1994 at end of the season?
Not Illinois!
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Rankings taken from the Congrove System computer rankings
An average team on the 1994 PSU schedule was ranked #41.75, median average of #38.3.
An average team on the 1994 Nebraska schedule was ranked #48.6, median average of 49.14. And while it’s true that Nebraska did play 3 teams in the top 13 that year (#4 Miami, #6 Colorado, #13 Kansas State), the next best team was #36 West Virginia, and 4 teams #70 or worse were also on the schedule (#70 Pacific, #79 Oklahoma State, #82 Mizzou, #104 Iowa State).
An average team on the 1995 Nebraska schedule was ranked #45.6, median average of #50.8.
So, yeah. Those are facts and I have them.
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any..
good statistician can twist numbers to his advantage.
The real measure of any team is how did that team do against quality teams. Lets set the definition of quality of being a better than average team.
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played that finished the season with 2 or fewer losses – 2 Colorado and Miami
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played that finished the season with 2 or fewer losses – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 1 Colorado
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played that finished the season with 2 or fewer losses – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 1 Colorado94 Penn State
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played that finished the season with 2 or fewer losses – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 1 Colorado94 Penn State# of teams played with 10 or more wins – 0
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played that finished the season with 2 or fewer losses – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 1 Colorado94 Penn State# of teams played with 10 or more wins – 0# of teams played with 2 or fewer losses – 0
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played that finished the season with 2 or fewer losses – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 1 Colorado94 Penn State# of teams played with 10 or more wins – 0# of teams played with 2 or fewer losses – 0# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 0
So.. I think most people that follow college football would agree that a team that goes through a major conference and finishes the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses would qualify as a quality team.94 Nebraska# of teams played with 10 or more wins to finish the season. – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played that finished the season with 2 or fewer losses – 2 Colorado and Miami# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 1 Colorado94 Penn State# of teams played with 10 or more wins – 0# of teams played with 2 or fewer losses – 0# of teams played with 1 loss or less – 0
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
what the heck
causes this BS? I write a simple 100 word response and some server somewhere, something somewhere does this. Really strange.
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
FAIL!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 20, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh the sweet irony
Anyone who writes the following:
Any good statistician can twist numbers to his advantage
Then immediately proceeds to harp on the virtue of opponents’ records has some issues with consistency.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Are what they are..
If someone were to compare opponents of two teams it seems the first approach, probably the very first thing most would do is just add up total losses and total wins.
Much of the NCAA strength of schedule determination is based on that very basic merit.
No twisting, no over-analyzing of data to form a wanted result or conclusion.
They just are what they are.
by Andy P skers94 on May 23, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's just as arbitrary
as looking at opponents vs the Top 10, 20, 25 or whatever. It’s just that this particular “statistic” tends to favor your argument so you trot it out as the end-all, be-all of evaluation while denigrating the use of any other metric. It is useful, and should be included in any discussion. But it is not the “proof” of anything that you seem to believe it is.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
sure it is..
proof. Whether you want to admit or not. Because I am sure it was the very first statistic that the ckmneon looked at when they thought of comparing the 94 PSU and 94 NU schedules. Upon viewing the results I bet their first thought, words were something akin to,“Well, that’s no good, , I guess I will have to dig deeper, analyze, twist and interpolate to try to make it look good for 94 PSU.”
No twisting, no deep analysis needed to just add up total wins and losses.
I guess that’s why the NCAA strength of schedule rankings are laregly compiled in this manner.
If this statistic favored 94 PSU and were presented to me I would gladly give 94 PSU their just due and say, “Yep, 94 PSU played a more difficult schedule than Nebraska did in 1994.” They didn’t so… I won’t.
by Andy P skers94 on May 23, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
You’re a real math whizz. Clap! Clap!!
say what you want about Nebraska’s overall record they still played two teams with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses. Along with a a couple really bad teams.
So.. tell me now. How many teams on 94 PSU’s schedule finished the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses.
So.. tell me now. How many teams on 94 PSU’s schedule finished the season with 10 or more wins and 2 or fewer losses.Big 8’s record against the Big 10 in 94. 4-2
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Here are some more facts!
PSU was 12-0 vs opponents that finished with an overall record of 70-65-4 .51799%
NU was 13-0 vs teams with an overall record of 78-71-3 .52303%
PSU had 8 teams it defeated, win at least half their games
NU had 9
PSU had no teams it defeated win more than 9 games
NU had 2
PSU played 4 teams during the reg. season that went to bowls
NU played 5
PSU was 4-0 against ranked teams, #5,12,14,21 (AP game time)
NU was 5-0 against ranked teams, at #2, 3,13,16,24 (AP game time)
PSU defeated 4 teams that finished the season ranked, one in the top 10 (coaches only) #11,12,13,14(AP) 9,11,12,15 ©
NU defeated 3 teams in the final polls, 2 in the top 6, at #3,6,19 (AP)3,6,16 (Coach)
Tougher conference?
Big 8s record vs the Big 10 that year – 4-2, including wins vs Michigan and Wisconsin
PSU was #1 in total offense, #1 in scoring offense
NU was # 5 in total offense, #6 in scoring offense, #1 rushing offense
PSU was # 70 in total defense
NU was # 4 in total defense, #2 in scoring defense, held 10 opponents to 17 points or less. There is a reason for the saying “defense wins championships”
PSU gave up 20 or more points in 8 games
NU gave up more than 17 points only 3 times, two of those being 21 points totals for the opponents in blowout wins for NU.
PSU average victory margin was 47-21, 26 points per game
NUs was 35-12, 23 points per game
PSU had 3 games it won by 7 or fewer points
NU had only one game it won by less than 10 points and that was vs Miami in the “neutral” Orange Bowl,
PSU average time of possession was 27.22
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
YOu see that..
Mr. Statistician.. Cumulatively the 1994 Nebraska schedule as a whole was slightly stronger than the 1994 PSU schedule. Those statistics are the truth and they don’t lie. Funny thing is..it doesn’t take me twisting them, analyzing them, to make it look good for Nebraska. They just are what they are!! Doesn’t take manipulation of statistics.
I guess that’s why you’ve turned to the statistics game. Because just on face value (adding up total wins and total losses of both Nebraska and Penn State), Nebraska’s schedule comes out as the slightly better schedule!
Imagine that!
Enough said! Case closed!
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
IN 1995
the Big 8 did something that up to that time and even now had never been done.
What’s that??
Have 4 teams all finish the season with 10 or more wins, 2 or fewer losses, all win their respective bowl games and each finish the season ranked in top 10 of all major polls.
Once again the Big 8 was a tougher conference than the weak 10.
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
94 Penn State was so good
it could have gone undefeated with any of Nebraska’s QBs.
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on May 20, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
I dunno
The defense that year was pretty average. And the drive at the end of the Illinois game needed a future Pro Bowler at QB
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by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That
below average defense, the one that gave up nearly 600 yards of total offense to Rutgers and nearly 30 points would have been monkey stomped by the Nebraska offense. In doing so kept the PSU offense standing on the sideline watching long drive after long Nebraska drive. Can’t score with your offense on the sidelines. Ever heard of keep away?
94 Nebraska has a two fold approach to slowing that offense, 1) a ball control ground eating offense with two potential Heisman winners in the same backfield, going against that soft PSU defense and 2) when that PSU offense did get on the field they are facing a dominant defense.
Don’t tell me how Joe Pa played 3rd stringers against Rutgers. Rutgers? Come on. In 94 LMAO! Rutgers has had some good teams lately but not in 94! In 94 they were awful. I don’t care if Joe Pa had students come down out of the stands to play that day. Just tackle the guy with the damn ball. Something that PSU struggled terribly to do in 94!
Frazier and Phillips behind the best Nebraska offensive line ever produced would have clowned on that defense.
by Andy P skers94 on May 20, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF?
Is a monkey stomp…doesn’t sound like anything good.
by Conspiracy* on May 21, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
OH YEAH,
and our volleyball team is going to kick the shit of PSU for years to come!!!!
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by Jon Johnston on May 20, 2011 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
except when it won't
but having the B1G be the power conference of women’s volleyball will be pretty sweet.
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on May 20, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
at least PSU won’t expect rebuilding years to mean 0 to 2 loss Big Ten championships anymore, that’s true
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poll results
They lead me to believe the conference is still enthralled with their shiny new toy.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Already sick of the Nebraska love
They are a wolf in sheep’s clothing. They’re acting all shy and nice now, but they are raving, psychotic assholes deep down. And it won’t be deep down for long.
We Hawkeye fans have seen their true nature, as much in the way Sarah Palin sees Russia from her back porch, they are on our doorstep.
My dear Torbee,
We are not “raving, psychotic assholes”, as you not so nicely put it.
Oh, there may be a few that would qualify as RPA’s, but most of the Husker fan base are a loyal, proud group who recognize the dedication and hard work that goes into winning five National Championships, and leading the nation in Academic All-Americans.
And forgive us if we take some joy in the fact that we’ve packed Memorial Stadium for every home game since 1962. And when you visit Lincoln, you’ll be treated with respect (unless you act like a no-class jerk).
Now come here, and let me give you a big old Husker Hug, my Hawkeye friend…
They're 18 to 22...how perfect were you at that age?
The Power of Red begins with the Passion of Walk-Ons.
No kidding.
We’re not psychotic. The raging and asshole part remains in the eye of the beholder.
by Albino Tornado on May 20, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh
So true, so true. We do tend to rage a lot (in a totally fan-frenzied, proven-fact-backed-way).
But most of us, as you will find, are simply too damned nice to be assholes. It was the way we were raised. The South has nothing on us when it comes to friendliness and manners. When you come to our city and our stadium, I believe you will be welcomed with open arms, respect, and a good amount of back and forth gentle smack-talk.
It comes from our absolute passion for the game of college football, which happens to be the only game in our pro-sports-deprived state. We still love what used to be the honesty and integrity of college sports, and our fans try to reflect that.
UNLESS, and I stated this before, you act like no-class jerks in Lincoln, or you treat us disrespectfully in your home stadium.
But, we’ve faced such things as slashed tires and thrown glasses of urine at a couple of Big XII sites and never responded in-kind at home. Our few asshole fans would rather take out their frustrations after the game in the parking lot, yelling at a Husker player who dropped a few passes.
No, we’re probably not the perfect fan base…if that even existed…but I don’t believe we’re too shabby.
Thanks to CornNation’s months’ long series introducing us to the BIG Ten, I have a good idea of which stadiums will be welcoming and which will have obnoxious fans. I simply hope that all of our new conference schools will welcome our team and our fans with an open mind and a shared love of the game. And I urge our fans to return the favor.
They're 18 to 22...how perfect were you at that age?
The Power of Red begins with the Passion of Walk-Ons.
Careful you don't pull a muscle
straining to pat yourself on the back like that.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 23, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's no strain
We’ve been doing that for so long, our bodies have adapted. We teach our children young, while they’re still flexible.
;-)
You could be right.
Attacks have a way of bringing out the worst of Nebraska’s fans.
Not sure when, but the Huskers will have their “Keeping the Enemy” closer day too and I would be shocked if it didn’t get a little ugly like that bringonthecats post.
In the deed, the glory.
Corn Nation!
by Aaron Musfeldt on May 20, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
This was the worst thread I've read in a long time
I really want to like OTE, but this shit is all just so low quality.
by OctaShields on May 20, 2011 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Respect
and honest discussion don’t seem to be your game.
You should have spent the twenty minutes it took you to read this thread filing for political office.
They're 18 to 22...how perfect were you at that age?
The Power of Red begins with the Passion of Walk-Ons.
The "hate" posts seemed like a good idea
but have really kind of fallen flat.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
The "hate" posts are really just an open season for this sort of thing
It’s mostly avoided everywhere else.
I generally don't mind hate posts
And I don’t think anything was wrong with the post itself. The comments have been difficult to read though – we need either higher quality shit-talking or more humor.
PENN STATE SUCKS!
BOOOOOOOM. PWNT.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
by Jon Ross on May 22, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
McCloskey
has admitted that he was out of bounds on more than one occasion. I heard it myself this past october at a PSU dinner in South Jersey.
He was going at full speed, focused on the football, and clearly not focused on staying in bounds
do you really think he knows?
Granted, that and the fact that it was certainly close are the only real reasons anyone has to believe he was out.
With that being said, I’m siding with these facts:
1. His left foot was, at the very least, mostly in bounds, possibly all in bounds
2. His right foot had yet yet touched down out of bounds when the ball arrived
3. 2 refs, each with a better view than those watching on TV, YouTube, or McCloskey himself, both called him in bounds with no hesitation.
He might have been in bounds. The evidence says he was more likely in bounds. There is no proof whatsoever that he was out of bounds.
29 years later and PSU fans are still apologizing for a probably correct call
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's turn this around...
…considering those factors you mentioned…Is there any way McCloskey would admit to being out-of-bounds unless he was absolutely positive that, yes, he didn’t have his foot down?
by HailVarsity on May 21, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like, say, the attention it got from the press?
And paid invites to speaking engagements? There’s two.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At the dinner during which he announced it...
…he was speaking at a charity function for Boys Town in Omaha. The organizers ambushed him with the footage and he fessed up. I guarantee you this admission, by itself, has never gotten him a paid invite to anything.
If it’s attention from the press he wants, he waited over two decades for it. In fact, he still probably would not have admitted it, except that some friendly Cornhuskers presented him with the game film and asked: "C’mon, every Nebraskan wants to know, were you out of bounds or not?" And, confronted with proof, he laughed and admitted he was.
......
In enemy territory over something like that most any athlete would keep their mouth shut, especially if speaking the truth meant putting a bit of a stain on something so many people hang there hat on. Over a few thousand $’s??
So.. I guess you’re calling McCloskey a sell out?? Selling out PSU for a few thousand dollars. Give me a break. I have more respect for McCloskey than that and you should too.
by Andy P skers94 on May 21, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
All..
we people in Nebraska have heard for 17 years is the gift title that Tom Osborne and Nebraska got in 1994.
Gift?? really… Lets talk a gift “National Championship”
Putting the issue of the 82 Penn State and Nebraska game to bed for a minute..
1982 Penn State and Joe Paterno got their assess beat in, their butts handed to them by a 4 loss Alabama team. Yet.. Somehow, someway that same team was voted 1982 cough cough “National Champion.”
Gift??
Who really got the gift National Championship??
FYI.. In over 100 years of college football I can count on one hand minus three fingers the number of teams that “won” a cough cough National Championship in the same season that they lost a game by 20 or more points!
by Andy P skers94 on May 21, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
Does anyone know how many teams in the Big 8 finished the 1994 season with 10 or more wins? Because that information is impossible to find.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 23, 2011 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
According to...
this site there were two. Nebraska and Colorado.
I don’t know about impossible, but I know those Texas guys took a big pile of dynamite to the Big 8 Recordbook when the Big 12 was formed.
Thanks
But I was making a reference to Andy P Skers94’s constant reference of that stat.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
Hoya:
The 1994 season featured two teams from the Big 8 that finished with 10+ win seasons: #1 Nebraska (13-0) and #3 Colorado (11-1). #16 Kansas State finished 9-3.
The 1995 season featured FOUR teams from the Big 8 that finished with 10+ win seasons: #1 Nebraska (12-0), #4 Colorado (10-2), #6 Kansas State (10-2), and #10 Kansas (10-2). (These are the coaches’ poll rankings; AP polls put them at 1, 5, 7 and 9, respectively.)
"The guts carry the feet, not the feet the guts."
- Cervantes
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