OTE Illinois Potluck: Served Without the Disappointing Juice Since 2010
Illinois. You put me in a happy state. Why? Because just like a potluck, you never know what you'll bring to the table.
There will be years, seemingly coming out from nowhere, where you'll pop with 10 wins and a league title. There will be seasons of follow up where you drop to near nothing. As I said in last year's Opening Statement, Illinois is the only team in college football to go to 2 BCS Bowls and have 5 seasons with 3 or fewer wins in the last ten years.

Even within a season, it's to be expected that you'll have an unexpected result. In your Rose Bowl run of 2007, there was still the baffling loss to a non-bowl Iowa. The following year, losing-record Illinois punked 9-win Iowa. You just never know what you're getting if someone brings you a plate of orange and blue. Enough with that. Let's eat.
1. Appetizer: In 1989, John Makovic and Jeff George's moustache led the Illini to a 10-2 season. In 1990, Makovic led the Illini to an 8-4 season (and a share of the Big Ten title). In the twenty seasons that have followed, the Illini have finished with winning records in only six of them. Illinois has not had back-to-back winning seasons at any point in these last twenty years. Uh oh! The Zookers are coming off of a winning season. Explain to me why this time it will be different, and the Illini will manage at least seven wins.
Ted Glover says: While it's true they lost a lot of talent to the NFL, the cupboard is not bare, and they have a schedule that looks like they could get 7 wins in their sleep. It seems Ron Zook learned not to put too much of the offensive burden on a young QB, like he did with Juice Williams. As a consequence, Nathan Scheelhaase flew under the radar most of last season while developing into one of the better QB's in the conference. He's relied on a punishing ground game, and he will again this year. Junior Jason Ford looks like Mikel Leshoure Redux -a big, powerful back that can be as productive as Leshoure was in 2010 - and if he is, Illinois will be fine, thank you very much. The defense will be more consistent this year, simply for the fact it will be tough to be as inconsistent as it was last year. They still have a lot of talent on that side of the ball, and their defensive coaches have a solid reputation. But in the end, it's always about the schedule, isn't it? And an easier schedule means the Illini should be an 8 win team.
Gone is the Arch Classic with Missouri; in comes Arkansas State, South Dakota State, an Arizona State team that might be the Pac-12 version of Illinois, Western Michigan and Northwestern...all at home...to open the season. At worst, that should be good enough for a 4-1 start, and their first road game is the next week in Indiana. That should be 5-1, minimum, and it's just a hop, skip, and a wobble to seven wins after that.
As a matter of fact, it's not inconceivable if Illinois is 8-0 to start the season. Okay, I'll wait for you to stop laughing, but hear me out. I can see the Illini going 6-0 to start the season, and then they get Ohio State at home. That would be the same Ohio State team that will be fielding Terrelle Pryor and his Merry Band of Tattooed Miscreants for only the second time. It's a home game, and Illinois always plays OSU tough. Get past that hurdle, they get Purdue, a team that they should beat. That's 8-0 kids, and the Zooker is the odds-on favorite for Big Ten Coach of the Year.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves. The seven near guarantees I see are Arkansas State, South Dakota State, Western Michigan, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota. Arizona State and Michigan are eminently winnable, and if they beat OSU I won't be stunned.
2. Salad: We heckle Ron Zook. A lot. It's easy. But, he's a former Big Ten Coach of the Year. He's dramatically improved the talent in the program. He's led Illinois to two bowl games. He's avoided any major scandals. He's got top notch assistants. True or False: Illinois has a coach that is, at worst, meeting realistic expectations.
Bama Hawkeye Says: Well, this is the nut of it, isn't it? It's the series of questions that all but the most elite of programs have to ask themselves. Where are we as a program? What can we realistically be? And most importantly, if we're not there, why not?
I believe that the Big Ten now has 4 Elite Programs: Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State & Nebraska. It takes an effort to fail at these schools. I think that there are two programs that have lower expectations than the rest of the league: Indiana and Northwestern. Due to the degree of difficulty, not much is expected (reference Pat Fitzgerald's huge new contract after a 7-6 season and a .539 winning percentage.). That leaves the middle six: Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota, Purdue, & Wisconsin.
The fans at these six schools can reasonably expect that 1) their school is attempting to win the conference; 2) that it is not realistic to expect 9-10 win seasons every year; 3) but that there will be years where the team can win 9 games and content for the title; and 4) the team will qualify for some bowl almost every year. Over the past ten years, Wisconsin and Iowa have been more consistent than Illinois and Minnesota, but the plan is remarkably similar. Get the right coach. Gather some talent. Pull an upset or two en route to a big year. Don't fall too far in the rebuilding seasons.
Where the plan fails for the middle six, is when the wrong coach is steering the ship. In the past, we have seen that in Illinois and Minnesota. We may well be seeing it now at Purdue. If the coach can't get the team to 9 or 10 wins in a four year period, if he can't keep the down years at 6-6 or 7-5 (thus, still making a bowl game), and if he can't keep a solid talent base that can counter punch against the Big Four, it's not going to work.
So where is Zook? He's shown that he can pull the upsets and get to a BCS Bowl. The question is, what can he do in a year like this one? Illinois is young this year. The 2012 and 2013 Illini should be better than the 2011 team. That doesn't excuse failure in a season like this, though. These are the years that Kirk Ferentz, Bret Bielema, and Joe Tiller ride out to a 7-5 record and a Texas Bowl appearance. If Zook can keep the program moving forward with another mid-level bowl bid, and increased expectations and excitement for the two seasons ahead, he'll be doing exactly what can be reasonably expected of him. If he lets this team, with this schedule, fall to 3-9 (1-7), or if he can't get the 2012 or 2013 Illini to 10 wins, he won't be. I'll say that Zook hasn't met expectations yet, but he may well be on his way to doing so.
3. Potato: As a Freshman, Nathan Scheelhaase completed 59% of his passes, had a better than 2-1 TD-INT ratio, and ran for over 800 yards. As an Iowa fan who has seen his defense terrorized by mobile quarterbacks, he terrifies me (Thanks Big Ten for making it so we'll likely never meet!). And yet, because his uniform is blue and orange (instead of blue and maize or blue and white), he has received little of the attention showered on others. Presuming his continued good health, is Scheelhaase the best Big Ten QB who will be starting in Week One?

Chadnudj Says: I'm sorry, did I miss the decision to bench Denard Robinson, Dan Persa, Kirk Cousins, Taylor Martinez, and James Vandenberg (don't laugh -- as a true freshman, the kid played well against Ohio State at Columbus), in addition to the suspension of Terrelle Pryor, that somehow vaulted Scheelhaase to the top of the B1G QB list? Did that happen? Because until that happens, Scheelhaase has a long way to go to qualify for "best QB in the B1G" status.
For a freshman QB, Scheelhaase had a great season -- the numbers and results don't lie. But he was wisely asked to do very little -- he never threw more than 27 passes in a game (and in games he threw 20+ times, the Illini were 3-5), he never threw for more than 250 yards, and he had NFL-draftee Mikel Leshoure in the backfield. Generally speaking, he played well against bad or terrible defenses -- he posted a QB rating over 100 only 7 times, against these awful/mediocre (at least last year) defenses: Southern Illinois, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Minnesota, and Baylor. Against defenses with a pulse (Ohio State, Michigan State, heck even Fresno State) he was downright pedestrian. And he was incredibly lucky, given the amount that the Illini ran him, that he didn't end up injured -- QBs that weigh 195 pounds that run the ball 185 times (and get sacked 22 times) don't tend to last too long in the B1G. Throw in the dreaded "sophomore slump" and the fact that the Illini's defense will be weakened by the losses of Martez Wilson and Corey Liuget -- thereby meaning Scheelhaase and the offense won't have the ball as much -- and the signs are there for Scheelhaase to struggle in year 2....it may not be a disaster, but I just don't see him making the leap in 2011 to top of B1G status.
Maybe Jason Ford is a worthy successor to Leshoure. Maybe the Illini's offense can continue to operate with Scheelhaase throwing short passes (and not many of them). Maybe Scheelhaase can stay healthy. But top QB in the conference? No. Not even close.
Bama Hawkeye Says: Don't sell the kid short. What he did last year was very impressive. Plus, it's not a bumper crop of B1G QBs. Pryor will be admiring his tattoo on opening day. Denard Robinson is going to try to become something that he's not in an unfriendly offense. Taylor Martinez looked mediocre at best down the stretch of the 2010 season. Dan Persa is coming off a major injury that may have a negative impact on his scrambling ability. As for Vandenberg, even as a Hawkeye, I'm required to point out that he played poorly in his other two 2009 appearances, a 17-10 loss to Northwestern and a 12-0 win over Minnesota. If you want to point to Kirk Cousins, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but I'd also point out that Scheelhaase didn't have a single game as atrocious as Cousins's wet-the-bed performances against both Alabama and Iowa.
4. Hot Dish: In their four Big Ten losses, the Illini defense gave up 26 points to Michigan State, 24 points to Ohio State, 38 points to Minnesota (Really? In Champaign, no less...), and in the defense's signature game - 67 points to Michigan.* With the unit's two best players (Martez Wilson and Corey Liuget) gone to National Football Lockout, is there any hope that Illinois can turn this defense around? How?
* Yes, it was a 3OT game, but it was 45-45 at the end of regulation, and the defense gave up three TDs and a 2 point conversion in three overtimes.
Graham Filler Says: First off, an addendum. Some people think that the Illinios defense was shit last year. Huh? 38th in the nation in yards allowed is pretty damn good for a team that came in with zero expectations. The defense dominated four squads (PSU, Baylor, Indiana, Purdue), which again, if your defense can take over a game, that's a HUGE plus. Onto the discussion.
There are three ways to be great at defense -
1) Feature so much damn talent that you overwhelm whatever offenses throw at you. Having people like the departed Martez Wilson helps a lot. He was ready to play in the NFL at age 15.
2) Play a new defensive scheme that fits your talent and confuses offenses.
3) Get a bunch of extraordinarily hard working, gritty guys who just want to hit. Break ‘em down in Spring and Summer ball so all they want to do is hit. These are the Pat Fitzgerald-ish guys whose team chant becomes something like LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE KILLKILLKILL
As far as we know Illinois doesn't have any of these. What they do have is a cake schedule that, with some simple comparisons, will probably fare better in games than last years' unit. Take, for example, the Illini's game versus Michigan. A young secondary and an overmatched LB unit wilted against the pressure of Rich Rod's spread offense. This year? There's no spread coming from the Maize and Blue and the Illini secondary will be vastly improved. What a difference a year makes.
Illinois essentially finished 5th in the Big Ten last year. That means there are four teams above them in the standings and six teams below them. Surprise, Illinois plays every team that was lower than them and skips Nebraska and Iowa (both better teams, we assume, than Illinois). This easy schedule will give them time early in the season to figure out starting roles, figure out who will be their unit leader...and figure out who is ready to make all the tackles now that the three leading tacklers are gone.
5. Dessert: In North Dakota, there is much hand-wringing over the NCAA's stance that the flagship university must change its school nickname from "The Fighting Sioux." The NCAA has, in the past, also picked at Illinois. This has resulted in the retiring of 1) the circle headdress logo; 2) the Sweet Sioux Tomahawk Trophy; and 3) Chief
NapervilleIlliniwek. However, the NCAA has stopped short of requiring the school to change its nickname (or school name -- or state's name for that matter). However, if Illinois were to have to give up the Illini, what team nickname would best exemplify the current state of the Illinois football program?
Ted Glover Says: The Illinois Stuart Smalleys. Illinois has been hampered by a couple things-the general perception that Ron Zook is playing checkers while the coach on the other sideline is playing chess, and an inability to really get a ton of respect because of that. Well, that changed somewhat last season. Zook was still Zook at times, but to his credit he revamped his coaching staff, did a good job developing Scheelhaase, coached Illinois to a winning season when no one really expected it, and absolutely crushed Baylor in their bowl game. For Illinois to be taken seriously, they need to have a winning season again this year, because gosh darn it, they're good enough, they're smart enough, and people like them.
Bama Hawkeye Says: The Illinois Groundhogs. Every so often, they'll come out of their hole to much fanfare. After that, they just go back to being a subterranean varmint.
Graham Filler Says: The Illinois Rollercoasters. Occasional thrills, lots of stomach-turning twists and turns...and at the end of the day, you kind of wish you had stayed home from the whole thing.
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Illinois is the only team in college football
to go to 2 BCS Bowls and have 5 seasons with 3 or fewer wins in the last ten years.
Wow, talk about feast or famine.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
I can't seem to find a reference to back this up,
But I remember reading somewhere that the 2007 Rose Bowl team was the only team in history to beat Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State in the same season. That’s nice, but I’ll take more trips to the Texas Bowl and fewer 2-win seasons over useless trivia all day.
by I-L-L-matic on May 26, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
You're also
the only team to go undefeated when the B1G had a round robin conference schedule in the early 8’80s. The same team then proceeded to get blown out by a SIX loss UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on May 26, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
DOH!
SIX win UCLA team, not six loss.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on May 26, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
You Can't Outsmart Crazy
Ron Zook’s success has to come from him being unpredictably unpredictable. There’s really no other explanation
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Chief Naperville?
Hell, there are close to 800 kids from Naperville at any given time attending the University of Iowa, Illinois hardly has the market cornered there. Plus, mightly Joe Naper was an injun fighter! Or something like that.
Um, the University of Illinois Corruption? It’s representative and manages to be scary and funny at the same time. Plus, you know it’s never going to change.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
Elite - Wisconsin
Bama Hawkeye always does a great job opening the door for comments when he dares to categorize / rank the various B1G teams. I’m just wondering why most of us still hesitate to consider Wisconsin as one of the conference elite, given their run over the last 20 years. I’m not so sure that they don’t expect 9-10 win seasons every year – Bielema seemed to be a trendy “hot seat” candidate before last year’s run for sub nine-win performances. It just doesn’t seem right to lump Wiscy in with the other middling teams listed, who (outside of Iowa) haven’t even come close to Bucky’s level of success (or as he phrases it, expectations) over the last generation.
Wisconsin isn't elite
because they still don’t just recruit themselves by virtue of their name. Notre Dame still holds more water in this regard (despite having accomplished nothing in years) as do a number of other “down” programs. Put it another way, both Oklahoma and Texas went through lengthy “down” periods over the last 25 years. Yet no one had a doubt that they’d be back because they are Oklahoma and Texas. If Bielema were to leave/get caught with his hand up a sorority girl’s skirt, Wisconsin could conceivably fade back into mediocrity with the wrong hire. The booster system and program’s facilities just aren’t as elite as the programs that Bama mentioned. Wisconsin and Iowa are excellent but not elite programs, despite what the two fanbases seem to believe.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 26, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Points
Although I think Camp Randall is getting a reputation as one of the premiere venues in the B1G and they seem to be developing a brand that carries significant recruiting weight in the midwest (certainly in Chicago), and Alvarez was known for being able to recruit New Jersey of all places. You’re right, though, that if they went through a Rodriguez / Callahan period, we probably wouldn’t expect them to quickly return to conference titles. I wonder sometimes if the lack of a national title is also what gets them overlooked.
I know the Ohio State special teams
will admit Camp Randall is tough enough
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on May 26, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
In that vein, if Michigan doesn't turn it around in a season or two
Can they still be considered elite?
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by Ted Glover on May 26, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Can they still be considered elite again?
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 26, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Short memories.
That would be a grand total of 5 bad years in a row. Embarrassing? Yes, but this is the winningest program in the sport who has still won a MNC more recently than Penn State, Nebraska or Notre Dame. Those programs are still elite. It’s going to take a lot more than this to relegate them to the Minnesota class of ancient glory.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 26, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Winningest program in the sport?
That would be Yale, with a .765 win percentage in major college football.
You're right.
That’s a great point.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 26, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you figure
Northwestern is a “near guarantee” for a win? Seems optimistic to not lump them with ASU and Michigan in those categories.
As an Illini fan, I've gone back and forth on whether I think NU is a should-win or a toss-up.
But I’ve come down on the side of should-win:
1.) Both teams’ defenses will be worse than last year. Illinois will still be able to run all over NU, but what should be Illinois’ defensive strength (secondary) matches up well agains NU’s offensive strength (passing game). Besides, does anyone seriously think Persa would have been the difference in the Wrigley game from last year?
2.) Illinois gets a more significant non-con test in ASU than Northwestern does in BC. Win or lose that one (I’m expecting a loss), they’ll have a better sense of where they are and what they need to do to get where they want to be.
As rebuttal...
…I can’t agree with your two points. Not saying that Northwestern is gonna win, mind you (you kicked our ass last year; we need to improve, etc.), but I don’t think NU-Illinois can be classified as anything BUT a toss-up.
1) Northwestern’s defense WILL NOT be worse. It’s simply not possible. The Cats losses on that side (DT Corbin Bryant, LBs Quentin Davie and Nate Williams, CB Justan Vaughn) were fine players, but not the best players on that unit. The Cats still have Vince Browne and Jordan Mabin, have a ton of young guys who are a bit more experienced (and who were higher-level recruits than the departing players, if you buy into the importance of recruiting), and are playing with a chip on their shoulder this season….I can guarantee that the Cats will be improved on defense.
And yes, I do think that Persa would have been a difference in the Wrigley game. Why? Check out time of possession — Illinois held the ball 41:16. With Persa at QB, there is NO WAY THAT HAPPENS. Northwestern led the entire NCAA in 10+ play drives with Persa at QB….they had zero 10+ play drives against Illinois without him. Throw in the fact that NU was only down 3 at halftime, and only down 10 after 3 quarters, and I damn sure think Persa makes a difference for the Cats if he had been healthy in the Wrigley game.
2) Arizona State was 6-6, did not go bowling, and Illinois plays them at home. Northwestern is going on the road to play Boston College AND Army, who both went bowling last year. I’m fairly certain Northwestern’s pre-Illini game non-con schedule will be tough enough to prepare them for Illinois.
I don't strongly disagree with your points, but...
I think you’re probably right that the defense can’t get worse. However, I’m not so sure that more-talented, less-experienced players are necessarily better than less-talented, more-experienced players, especially on defense. Mandell recently made this point in reference to Alabama, who was loaded with young talent last year and underperformed expectations (for them, anyway). And I still think Illinois will be able to run all over Nortwestern – 4 returning starters on the o-line, and a running back who is a bit more of a bowling ball than Leshoure was (but doesn’t have the quickness). Perhaps Illinois doesn’t hold the ball for 41:16 while racking up 520 rushing yards in the Wrigley game, but if they pound away at NU again this year, Persa has fewer opportunities to go on some of those 10-play drives.
Arizona State seems to be generating a lot of buzz this preseason; they played Wisconsin pretty close, and have a QB who closed out last year awfully strong. I didn’t realize Army went bowling last year, but why the hell is Northwestern going on the road to play them? I can’t imagine they’re getting paid for it…
Sadly....
…it’s the only way we can get a home game back, for now. With ticket sales on the way up, we should be able to make it a 2 for 1 in the future, potentially…..
(Plus, NU has played home-and-homes with the armed forces teams frequently — I went to a Northwestern game at Navy, and they’ve done a similar series with Air Force. No shame in supporting the service academies by doing a home-and-home, if you ask me….plus, going to a game at a service academy? AWESOME experience. I highly recommend Navy games to anyone in the Maryland/DC/Northern Virginia area….)
Isn't OSU playing "AT" Navy some time soon?
I think the game is in Baltimore…
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 26, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 26, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting you mention Army.
While Army is in no way comparable to Illinois, it’s still a rushing attack that the NU defense will have to deal with, which, I feel, is an adequate start to preparing for Illinois. On top of that, Northwestern then gets a bye week (9/24) in which it can prepare to reclaim the Sweet Sioux motherfucking Top Hat.
I think the game gets nudged ever so slightly toward toss-up (and feel free to prove me wrong), if just for the fact that Northwestern will spend three straight weeks preparing for rushing attacks of one shape or another and hopefully the DL will learn its lesson from last year over that three week span. Time to prepare shouldn’t be underestimated.
Ron Zook is 16-32 in the Big Ten
The fact that he still coaches at Illinois says all you need to know about their level of expectations.
It actually says more
about the state of Illinois finances; it’s widely recognized that the state budget crisis is what kept the school from buying out Zook two years ago. Why do I live here again?
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 26, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
Chicago is the greatest city on the planet.
Not that I’m partial or anything…
Ah, that's right.
Sorry, I was just thinking of people running the city and not the people living in it.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 26, 2011 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He was 7-17 when he signed the extension
He’s actually done better since signing it (9-15). I realize he was coming off a stellar 6-2 season, but still, how many schools in the Big Ten would give a 6 year contract extension to a 7-17 coach?
On that cannot afford anything better.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 27, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Ugh, "One".
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on May 27, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Brewster got one
He got a 2 year extension after going 14-24 from 2007-09 and going 0-9 trophy games. They’ll usually extend the contract to lower the buyout clause or make it less painful for the school to let a coach go… but 6 years?!
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Well
he did walk into the disaster that Ron Turner left, and naturally struggled to get anything his first two years. 2005 and 2006 alone account for a whopping 15 of his 32 Big Ten losses.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 27, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
But here I thought he inherited a great team full of prospects and potential.
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lulz
I don’t think Urban Meyer could have produced much better than 4-8 with the 2005-06 disasters. I’m sure you remember Turner’s amazing 2003 and 2004 teams that were a combined 1-15 in the Big Ten themselves.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 27, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I do.
I was being quite facetious. People love bringing up how terrible Zook’s record appears, but he came into a shit situation and had pretty much no chance of producing a respectable record until his own prospects came into play. Which is exactly what happened. He hasn’t been a world beater since then, but 24-26 isn’t shockingly horrible.
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