Special Edition OTE OSU Indictment -- Ray Small and 4 Counts Against the Buckeyes
We interrupt/delay today's scheduled batch of Illinois hate to discuss a team people actually give a damn about (Illinois fans only care about their basketball team...and who could blame them? The Illini football team was the 6th losingest team in BCS conferences from 2000-2010, at 52-79.)
Given the latest allegations coming out from Ray Small about Ohio State athletes getting special deals on cars and selling Big Ten rings/other memorabilia, the writers here at OTE thought it was about time we did a special "OSU Scandal" potluck indictment. Below the jump, we present 4 counts (i.e. questions and answers) about the Buckeye scandal:
[Edit 1] Defense Exhibit A: Ray Small now says he was misquoted:
It's hard being an athlete," Small said. "That was basically what I was saying. (The Lantern author) just flipped my words around and make the whole Buckeye Nation hate me."
Small went on to say that The Lantern got the majority of the story wrong. The Lantern denied Small's allegation and states that it has the interview on tape.
Ted Glover: The Lantern is the Ohio State Student paper, and if I could invoke all my legal training I got from Law and Order, I move to strike Ray Small's testimony from the record, and move to dismiss these charges against my client.
The Bench: Motion to strike the testimony is denied. However, the bench will look away for ten seconds, and if you move to strike Mr. Small, I won't notice. (after a pause) Now on with the Counts.
Count 1 - Taking Improper Benefits (Tattoos): Ray Small's accusations make it clear that Pryor, Herron, Posey, et al. were not the only (or even the first) Buckeyes to sell the trinkets they won as football players for extra cash. Small also states that OSU players may have gotten deals on cars from local dealerships. These are all NCAA violations....but honestly, does any of this bother you? We're not talking pay-for-play, or academic fraud (indeed, OSU is in the top 10 nationally in APR), or even dirty recruiting -- just players selling trinkets (which they were free to do when they graduated without penalty) and getting sweetheart deals on wheels. Do you feel like the hulabaloo over the players' actions (I'm not talking about the coverup yet) is reasonable, or completely out of proportion?
Hilary Lee: When I heard about Ray Small's interview with OSU's student newspaper I felt a jumble of emotions. I approach this issue from three different perspectives... that of a fan, that of a former college athlete, and that of a law student who is writing an article on the antitrust implications of some of the NCAA's financial aid by-laws. As a fan, I feel some disappointment. Not because I particularly like Ohio State (I don't... oh how much I don't) or because I feel any connection to their memorabilia, but rather because I'd like to believe that the symbols of victory in hard fought games are as important to the athletes as the wins are to the fans. With every story like this that breaks, that appears not to be the case a little bit more, which stings.
As a former athlete, I mostly understand. In my sport and division, improper benefits were discussed but weren't a realistic problem. Yet, I still know what it is to be a cash-strapped student, and how tempting it must have been for those players to just say yes when offered something for nothing. After all, it's not as though these guys are out there haggling for benefits... they're just taking what others are willing to give. But, as a law student who has read a considerable amount about financial aid in the NCAA recently, I feel frustration. Frustration because the current NCAA policies have led to an unequal playing field that favors programs with large budgets and wealthy boosters who are willing to do whatever it takes to lure talented high schoolers to their programs. And, as long as this type of behavior is dealt with by just a slap of the wrist, and a turning of heads, I doubt that the NCAA will see any impetus to change its own rules....
Ted Glover: Does it bother me that they sold championship rings and gold pants trinkets? As an OSU fan, yeah, it bugs me, because as fans I think it's safe to say we would give a right arm to say we earned those as a member of the Ohio State football team. Does it get my dander up that they sold what essentially is their stuff for money? No, not at all. I think most people that had to work their way through college, or didn't get Mom and Dad to pay for school went through periods of financial duress, and if you had to hock something to pay a bill, you had to. It's their stuff, and as much as I dislike they don't appreciate what those things mean symbolically to Ohio State fans, if they want to sell them, it shouldn't be illegal. Speaking strictly about the players selling their things for money, that has been blown way out of proportion.
Graham Filler: You're sitting in a lawn chair, waiting for the annual Memorial Day parade to roll by you. All of a sudden, two people come over the hill, yelling, waving, and running like a bat out of hell. They fly, along with half of the high school marching band, huffing and puffing in their suits, instruments tossed aside, sprinting by you with a crazed look. Unless you are a dullard, it has probably occurred to you that something is going on.
Those sprinting paraders? That's the accusations and evidence that has flowed like beer at a toga party since Tressel's non-denial denial press conference back in the Winter months. Whatever legal term you want to use, the evidence is there, the players are there, the emails are there...it's too damn obvious that the Ohio State University football program was overrun these last few years by corruption and (GASP) lack of institutional control. Play the technicality game all you want, but the rushing river of proof is flooding all levels of the OSU program.
Does it bother me? Not really. There are rules out there. You can foster an environment of compliance with these shady-ass rules. Or you can not. OSU didn't, even hiding among the perfectly smoothed out vest of morality that Tressel wore and denying what was about to kick them in the nuts.
Count 2 - Taking Improper Benefits (Automobiles): Related to Count 1 above -- does a 5 game suspension for Pryor, Herron, Posey, Thomas, and Adams fit the "crime"? (Note: we're only talking about the punishment for the players). And if not, what SHOULD be the punishment?
Hilary Lee: I think it's a fine punishment. Ordinarily five games might seem excessive, but let's be real, it's not as though most of those opponents in OSU's first five games are exactly a challenge. Given the state of the programs they're facing, it's really more like a two game suspension (MAYBE three if Colorado gets its shit together this year...)
Ted Glover: Yeah, five games is plenty if you're talking only the players. I can't disagree that OSU should vacate wins, either. The players were ineligible, and they played. I don't like the rule, but it is a rule. They broke it, and should suffer the consequences
Count 3 - Loss of Institutional Control: In my opinion, Coach Tressel's failure to report the players' violations to even his own compliance office/athletic director is the far more egregious crime -- he's an adult, his job is to know the NCAA rulebook and follow it, and knowing of these violations and saying nothing, not even to his bosses and own compliance department who are there to help, shows a remarkable lack of ethics for any NCAA coach, must less the head football coach of THE Ohio State University. Frankly, I don't think a 5 game suspension is a penalty at all for what Tressel did (I mean, he still gets to coach DURING the week, just not on 5 Saturdays). What additional punishment (if any) should be applied to OSU for Tressel's lack of judgment? And -- should Tressel be fired over this?
Hilary Lee: Much as it would make me happy to see Sweatervest fired, I can't see it as fitting in this situation. How do you a fire a coach when you know that every other big time program is doing this too, and that most likely your replacement coach will soon be doing it as well? The grass ain't always greener.
Bama Hawkeye: Jim Tressel should be fired. I will scream that from the mountaintops. I don't care about a national championship. I don't care about seven (pre-vacating) Big Ten titles. He lied to the authorities. He lied to his boss. He got caught red-handed. He admitted guilt. Jim Tressel should be fired.
Disagree with me? Try this: Lie to your boss about your work. Break the law and then lie to the police about it. See if you keep your job.
Tennessee was right when it fired Bruce Pearl for the same transgression (and over a lesser underlying violation). And I know that it's easy to carp and say, "But everyone is doing it!" And the shame of it is, if Tressel survives this, that's what the average fan can think. Because Ohio State will have shown that lying and getting caught is OK. As long as you win.
Ted Glover: Can't disagree with any of the assessments made about Tressel, and his creditability has taken a major hit. I think it's important to try and punish the individuals, and not the entire program, and if you do that then I don't think I can buy a five game suspension; it should be more. I don't think I would stomp my foot if he was suspended for the year and forced to pay a ginormous fine to a charity. Should he be fired? That's between him and the University. If I was AD Gene Smith I'd have a hard time trusting Tressel, but if this really is an isolated incident, then I can see him not getting canned. I've gone back and forth on this one, and you could talk me into either him staying or going.
Count 4 - Conspiracy: Here we are, in the midst of doing season previews, and instead we're talking about Ohio State, arguably the B1G's flagship program, being in NCAA jail. How has the OSU mess impacted the national perception of our fine conference? Is it fair that 11 other (supposedly) rule-following programs get dragged through the mud thanks to the Buckeyes? Will OSU's problems end up harming the national perception of our conference?
Hilary Lee: I think it only harms us if either of two things happen: 1. OSU wins the inaugural B1G championship game despite these violations 2. The conference as a whole has another terrible bowl season. If the first happens, it makes us look weak. If the second happens, it just reinforces the idea that we aren't a good conference unless Ohio State is good. Yuck.
Bama Hawkeye: This won't hurt the B1G one bit. How much did Alabama spending the better part of the last decade with scholarship reductions and on probation hurt the SEC? All it means is that if the NCAA comes down hard, Ohio State will win fewer Leaders Division titles. It won't diminish the value of those titles. Not in the least.
Ted Glover: Perception is reality. People that don't like Ohio State think this has been going on forever, so their perception isn't changed at all. Nationally, it's not going to hurt. No one thinks that big time programs are clean as the driven snow, anyway, so this will blow over and life will go on, and as soon as another program gets in hot water, the spotlight will focus in on them. Are TV ratings still going be be huge? Yes. Are more people going to attend B1G games again this season than in any other conference? Yes. If OSU makes the B1G Conference championship, are people NOT going to watch because of the scandal? No.
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I wouldn't count on tOSU not being in the title game
Until the hammer drops (and it will) THE Ohio State University still has the most talented team in the conference. I actually think that tOSU being in the title-game will drive ratings up, because so many haters will tune in hoping they lose.
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ah the haters
OSU has turned into the Miami Heat of college football?
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by Graham Filler on May 27, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Substitute “people who take interest because of the scandal” for “haters” if you like. It’ll be bonzo ratings with or without OSU, but it’ll be higher with.
I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them so they can stay in school and graduate, where other people just get rid of them. I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban
No, the Miami Heat became
the Ohio State of the NBA.
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by Ted Glover on May 27, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, LeBron is our No. 1 fan.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 27, 2011 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't worry we hate him too.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 27, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to second everything said by Bama Hawkeye
Fire Tress. And like “the cheese”, OSU stands alone. This doesn’t impact the perception of the conference as a whole.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
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by Bama Hawkeye on May 27, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So she posts online but never calls me back. Killing me, Momma Bama Hawkeye.
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by Graham Filler on May 27, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tressel's lawyer
has said that Tressel’s “track record” should be a factor in the NCAA decision. The fact that he’s the former head of the COI makes it seem like he’ll get Tressel out of this with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Sounds like more of the sense of entitlement to me.
How do the violations at Youngtown State and the Maurice Clarett ordeal not show up more in this? The guy writes a book about taking the moral high ground every chance he gets and everybody thinks he’s been a saint for years.
Tressel's Lawyer
is Gene Marsh. He just got done representing USC in their COI hearing and appeal. That didn’t work out so well (for USC). He may be friendly with the process, but I don’t anticipate that will change the facts or the outcome.
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by Bama Hawkeye on May 27, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
The reason it didn't help USC
was because their coaches weren’t Jim Tressel. Pete Caroll and Lane Kiffin? Give me a break
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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on May 27, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
For what little its worth
Pete Carroll’s background was a hell of a lot less checkered than Tressel’s past at Youngstown and Clarett. Kiffin, on the other hand…
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on May 28, 2011 12:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that a good thing?
Tressel’s lawyer … has said that Tresselās "track record" should be a factor in the NCAA decision.
Iām sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, thereās a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
NCAA cleared OSU
with regard to Clarett. The COI cannot consider it. In fact, it’s very unlikely that any “prior bad acts” will be considered.
And do people know that the BMV is very likely to clear the dealerships in the car case? The Dept. of Taxation may not, but that’s an issue for the dealerships, not the players or OSU.
I know the non-tOSU fans on here don't want to hear this but...
there’s a reason Ray Small is speaking up about this. This guy has been butting heads with Tressel since his freshman year. There’s probably not a person in the OSU community that would like to see the vest fired more than RayRay.
http://www.buckeyecountry.net/does-former-ohio-state-player-ray-small-have-an-axe-to-grind
I put Smalls in the same category as those Auburn players from the HBO Real Sports expose. Malcontents with questionable veracity looking for payback.
Hmmm
As a politician friend of mine told me, when the first thing that the accused does is attack the accuser, you know that the accused is in it deep.
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by Bama Hawkeye on May 27, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, whatever
Come back and talk to me if the Hawkeyes ever go thru the wringer like we are going thru now. I’d be interested to see if you feel the same.
I didn’t think anything would cause me to reassess my feelings on the Bush-USC situation but this piling-on phenomenom has definitely shifted my cfb worldview.
You obviously
have not paid attention to the ongoing battle of Hawkeyes vs. the police blotter.
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by Bama Hawkeye on May 27, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Crimes aren't against
NCAA regulations. So you got that going for you….
which is nice
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 27, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The REAL Big Ten rivalry...
Iowa vs. Iowa City Police…
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 27, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
but has Tressel said anythign about Ray Small?
That’s the real issue, not players tweeting. You have to remember that most of these guys that are upset are maybe 21 and younger. Not exactly the crowd you want to survey about self-control and tact.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 27, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
True
But Small’s assertions/accusations are at least implicitly calling out other, current OSU players.
And, while I profess to have no basis to evaluate Small’s trustworthiness, it is never a good sign when the only defense people like NC_Buck can raise is that Ray Small is a bad guy who was often doing bad things. Really? Because that’s the case with any criminal who turns evidence. The choir boys aren’t going to be the ones aware of/taking part in the transgressions. Does that make Small’s accusations true? No, but the attempted dismissal of his claims rings a bit hollow as well.
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by JuJuan some Moore? on May 27, 2011 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
all players who our out for five games should have to sit out the whole year and the head coach and ad should also sit out the whole year with out pay and allgames that they played in should be marked as lost games .also any player on the foot ball team whoselll his begten rings etc while on the football team should be kicked offthe team any car deals they mack for cheap deals should cost them a year playing time in collage fottball.and the dealers should lose the same amount of time away from be aat footballgames for a year and they have to give any one who comes in to dealership the same sweetheart del they gave the players and coaches .
Yes, the AD will sit out a year. that makes so much sense!
also, if you are caught stealing, you lose a hand.
you don’t want to know what happens top adulterers.
Also, to get the same deal on a car that these guys got (allegedly) is talk to the fleet manager. they don’t have time to haggle. Basically “here’s invoice price, add $500 and there you go”. At least from my experiences anyway.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 27, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
brain already gone for weekend
2.5 hours left…
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 27, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, suspend the GM who didn't know about any of this
and then immediately self reported to the NCAA as soon as he found out. That’s a great idea.
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Does that mean
That MSU gets to go to the RoseBowl and face TCU instead of getting destroyed by Bama? Because if it weren’t for the *uckeyes we would have…
still hate wisco more.
would you like a tissue?
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 27, 2011 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
You would’ve gotten schooled by a non-AQ school, then.
:)
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I can't see any way Tressel survives this
but the Small accusations aren’t going to have any effect. The NCAA has documented evidence that Tressel covered up the ineligibility of players. Unsubstantiated claims by a disgruntled former player aren’t permissible evidence.
Lack of institutional control will be trickier to make stick. That usually involves a coach directing players to benefits (e.g. USC) or the athletic department not realizing that the women’s tennis coach was playing a ringer (e.g. Boise State). I think they would have to show that Tressel told the players about the tattoo parlor, which seems unlikely. I’ve heard all the rumors that Tressel directed players to boosters, but the only hard evidence comes from the coverup of the tatoo case.
LOIC will be with Pryor.
If the NCAA digs into Sarniak, finds out enough on that end with his handling of Pryor, and then links it back with the e-mail Sweatervest sent him when this went down, that’s the coach facilitating the improper benefits. That’ll land them a lack of control charge. If Sarniak and Pryor (I don’t see that happening) covered their tracks well, tOSU will be fine. But that’s a huge if, given Pryor’s already poor track record for decision making, and not drawing attention to himself.
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sounds like a lot of "ifs" in that statement
not saying is impossible, just lots of uncertainty.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 27, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand why everyone criticizes Pryor for poor decisions
After all, everyone kills people.
As I understand it, the FOIA request required OSU to release all emails between Tressel and Sarniak. If what we have seen is all that there is of that communication, then I highly doubt that the NCAA will find a lack of control.
With regards to the items that were sold
…because I’d like to believe that the symbols of victory in hard fought games are as important to the athletes as the wins are to the fans
What bothers me most as a fan is that the Buckeye players, per Ray Small’s statements, seem to be so nonchalant about those trinkets. They don’t appreciate them because they keep getting them. They have had so much success that they can’t appreciate the things they have. I can’t blame them for that attitude, unless someone can knock them off, I’d say it’s pretty much to be expected.
I hate it, though.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
I bought Jay Lehman's American flag tie on ebay
Is that worse?
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by SouthBayBuckeye on May 27, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
When you completely butcher the spelling of his name
yes.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
I don't get all the outrage over the students selling the trinkets.
They’re trinkets. Honestly what is an 18-23 year old man supposed to do with a golden charm of tiny pants? It’s not like they’ll forget that they beat Michigan. I don’t believe that this all happened because “they had so much success that they can’t appreciate the things they have”. I think it has more to do with the fact that while it may be a tradition to give these out, it’s just a trinket that will most likely end up in a drawer somewhere.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
It's not the selling of trinkets.
It’s the cover up. If it were only the selling of the trinkets this would all be over by now, except for the serving of the suspensions.
I am aware of that.
I was referring to the righteous indignation of members of this site (and others) who seem so upset about the players not caring about being awarded tiny pieces of jewelry.
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It's not so much outrage
I know what you’re saying, but as someone who was in college a long time ago, and looks fondly back on those years, I think that they are taking things for granted that they may wish they had back later in life.
It may be that those particular trinkets don’t really mean that much to the guys who sell them and never would mean anything, and I’m sure that beyond memories they do have some great souvenirs of their time on the team. But the priorities you have in your early 20s are not the same as priorities when you’re pushing 40.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on May 27, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Youth is wasted on the young
It may very well be the case in 10, 15, 20 years down the road a lot of these players come to regret so quickly selling the trinkets. But in the here-and-now, that isn’t a thought they’re having.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
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by Alex Cook on May 27, 2011 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I think this works a little better.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 27, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly cant believe they havent fired him yet
if they keep him, they will never win anything without a “best team tattoos can buy” comment. its not worth the negative press to keep him around, and its not like OSU cant get one of the better coaches………..well unless they cant.
by justsomehawkeyefan on May 28, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions
What's Important to Remember
It really doesn’t matter what Small says. After all, who listens to former players and their axes grinding on those sharpening wheels? And why should O$U fans be upset with him? He was just reiterating the same defense Buckeye Bloods have been using since the story broke: “Everybody’s doing it.”
Meanwhile, that pesky point is still hanging out there. O$U’s problems are only marginally connected to players and money. Yeah, it started there, but the issue is moral leadership of the coach, and in my opinion, the AD and univ prez. The issues you face don’t define your character, how you handle those issues reveals your character. It must be very sobering for Buckeye Bloods who actually have a working moral compass to see their shining knight reveal himself to be a court jester. And that’s just Gee, what about the coach and the AD?
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