B1G 2011 Northwestern Point-Counterpoint: Is Defense the Problem?
Jane, you ignorant slut......it's Tuesday, which means it's time for Point-Counterpoint (or as SNL used to call it, Counter/Point-Counter). In the hot seat this week -- Northwestern's defense (or lack thereof?)
Point: Northwestern's defense was its downfall last season, and will continue to be its downfall. While Northwestern can compete offensively against Big Ten teams thanks to a well-executed and designed offensive scheme that spreads defenses out thereby reducing the athleticism advantage of its opponents, the Cats' recruiting restrictions prevent it generally from getting athletes on the defensive side that can slow down or stop upper-level offenses.
149 points. That's how many points TCU's top-ranked defense allowed in 2010-11 all season long, including their bowl game.
163 points. That's what Northwestern allowed....in its final 3 games against Illinois, Wisconsin, and Texas Tech. Is there any doubt that defense is Northwestern's achilles heel, and that it was torn in 2010 much like Dan Persa's was after throwing the winning TD against Iowa?
(Of course there's doubt -- that's why we have a counter-point...after the jump....)
The bad news for Northwestern's defense is that things don't look too much better in 2011. Stud DT Corbin Bryant is gone to the NFL (presuming that the lockout is resolved and teams can sign undrafted free agents, Bryant's virtually guaranteed to earn a camp invite, particularly after doing 31 reps at 225 lbs in the bench and running a 5.08 40 time -- solid numbers for a DT). Bryant is likely to be joined in the NFL by LB Quentin Davie, and NU also lost LB Nate Williams to graduation, meaning NU has holes to fill up front, and may be even weaker against the run than they were at the end of the season in 2010, when they were last seen getting gashed for 519 yards rushing by Illinois, 329 yards rushing by Wisconsin, and 183 yards rushing by Texas Tech (a team that only averaged 137.9 ypg rushing in the regular season, against weak Big 12 defenses....). NU also was 99th in the nation in "explosion plays allowed" (i.e. plays of 20 yards or longer) -- an ominous sign for a team losing talented DL and LBs.
Sure, there are talented, young replacements on the way -- OLB Roderick Goodlow returns from injury, hopes are high for a number of RS freshman and sophomores like safety Ibraheim Campbell, OLBs Chi Chi Ariguzo, Collin Ellis and Tim Riley, MLB Damien Proby, and DL Chance Carter, Will Hampton, and Tyler Scott.
But asking for young recruits to make the difference at Northwestern isn't as easy at other schools, as Northwestern's academic recruiting restrictions limit the pool of talented athletes that the Cats can recruit moreso than their Big Ten brethren. Pat Fitzgerald and the coaching staff have clearly upgraded recruiting (his last 3 classes have been amongst the best, at least in terms of Scout and Rivals' grading, in the history of the program), but without landing upper-shelf talent, it's difficult to surpass "average" on the defensive side of the ball. Defense, much moreso than offense (where schemes are so important), is about athleticism -- jumping a route quickly, speed rushing or power rushing past an offensive lineman, or meeting a running back in the gap. Northwestern has talented athletes, and the fact that almost all stay 4-5 years helps....but not enough to make Northwestern ever be a consistent defensive power. And certainly not in 2011 -- NU will have little chance
Counterpoint: Northwestern's 2010 defense, through 10 games, was as good or better than in 2009, even after losing Corey Wootton and Sherick McManis to the NFL. The defense wasn't the problem at the end of the season -- it was the offense's inability to sustain drives, due mainly to the losses of Dan Persa and Mike Trumpy, that left the NU defense on the field for long stretches of time. No rest for the defense = more points allowed.

I'll admit -- the "Counterpoint" side is where I fall on the Northwestern defense debate. The Northwestern defense was as good as or maybe even better last year than the 2009 Northwestern defense.....through 10 games. Just look at the numbers comparing the two teams (keeping in mind that these stats do not include games against Wisconsin and Illinois in either season, nor the bowl game):
- Scoring Defense: 23.3 point allowed per game in 2009; 21.4 points allowed per game in 2010.
- Rushing Defense: 117.1 rushing yards per game allowed in 2009; 137.4 rushing yards per game allowed in 2010.
- Passing Defense: 225.2 passing yards per game allowed in 2009; 249.6 passing yards per game allowed in 2010.
So Northwestern's 2010 defense was giving up roughly 45 more yards per game than their 2009 counterparts....but holding their opponents to nearly 2 fewer points per game. And NU in 2010 was without Sherick McManis and Corey Wootton (the man who ended Brett Favre's career), 2 guys that got drafted to play on Sundays (and thus were arguably bigger losses than Bryant or Davie this offseason). The defense, at least through 10 games, was not "broken," at least compared to 2009. (And yes, I'd hardly say the 2009 Wildcats defense was dominant...but it certainly wasn't viewed as a failure by fans/commentators.)
What changed in those last 3 games? Arguably nothing on defense.
What changed was that (a) Dan Persa got injured at the end of the Iowa game, and (b) Mike Trumpy broke his wrist during the Illinois game, and neither one played again that season. Gone were the most accurate QB in terms of completion percentage in Big Ten history and the teams' #1 and #2 leading rushers. And how did that kill the defense?
Simple -- Dan Persa (and, to a lesser Trumpy) kept drives going, keeping the Northwestern defense off the field. The 2010 Wildcats offense, (including the Cats' last 3 games), lead the nation in methodical drives (i.e. drives that included at least 10 offensive plays) -- nearly 23% of the time on offense, the Wildcats were running off at least 10 plays, allowing their defense to rest, and keeping the opposing offense off the field.
In those last 3 games, though, it was an ENTIRELY different story. In 40 offensive drives over those 3 games, Northwestern only had FOUR methodical drives (zero in 12 drives vs. Illinois; 1 in 15 drives against Wisconsin, and 3 in 13 drives against Texas Tech....a game in which Kain Colter finally got the Cats' running game going).
As a result (and quite predictably), the Cats' defense ended up gassed as they were asked to be on the field for a longer period of time. Illinois held the ball for 41:16 (no, that's not a typo) and Wisconsin held the ball for 37:15 against the Cats (Texas Tech only had the ball 29:37 against the Cats, a function again of the Cats' improved running game in the bowl thanks to Colter and Texas Tech's pass-heavy offense).
NU returns 4 starters on the O-Line, and goes into this season with a much better running game, having identified Mike Trumpy and Adonis Smith as the lead RBs. If the running game can improve (and it did over the course of last season generally), and Persa can stay healthy, the simple fact that the offense will hold the ball for longer drives should make the NU defense look improved.
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Pat Fitzgerald and the coaching staff have clearly upgraded recruiting (his last 3 classes have been amongst the best, at least in terms of Scout and Rivals’ grading, in the history of the program), but without landing upper-shelf talent, it’s difficult to surpass “average” on the defensive side of the ball.
My one thought – I think the recruiting class is going to be similar year after year. I doubt Fitzy is pulling better recruits, I think the recruiting grading is just more advanced and Rivals/Scout are doing a better job of actually giving a 2 or 3 star to people going to NW.
But admittedly, when was the last time NW had a decent defense? 2008 probably, and the offense wasn’t very good that year. So I’m not swayed by the “longer drives equal better defense” metric. I think the Cats just need to channel some toughness and find some diamond in the rough defensive players.
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Yeah, this.
I think a lot of NU fans have tried to convince themselves that losing Persa was the reason that our defense sucked so bad those last three horrible games.
In reality, it just looked like a bad defense finally getting exposed like it should’ve in the Purdue game (how we only allowed 20 points, I’ll never know), later on against Wisconsin, Illinois, and TT. A couple defensive recruits and an increased focus on tackling (especially in such a bend-don’t-break defense) could at least begin to shore up some of the damages. But that toughness to go out and just take names—play every game like it’s Iowa—would set a good tone for the ’Cats on defense.
play every game like it’s Iowa
Wizard FitzPatty can only summon so much magic.
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by BentNotBroken on May 4, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The idea being
Fitz and his Baked Potato are less needed for some games. We’d still save the dark magic for you.
Increased focus on tackling
Na, stick with wizardry and spell casting! And Janet Jackson samples.
BTW I totally endorse OTE’s take on how jNW will do with 4th and 3 in 2011 – doesnt even show up.
For the potluck I will bring some Iowa pork chops.
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by BentNotBroken on May 4, 2011 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
4th and 3?
We can’t reveal that yet…
/keepsreassuringselfoverandover
Though I’d take you up on those pork chops.
you didn't get it?
they punted
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2010 Northwestern is one of very, very few team to both 1)have a double digit lead and 2)score at least 20 points on Joe Paterno and not win. Yeah, the defense was a big problem for NW last year.
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This
I think the loss of Persa and Trumpy made it impossible to ignore the problems on defense, but they didn’t cause the problems. If we limit ourselves to the first 10 games, we had 7 wins… that arguably should have been 10. All three losses featured blown leads, and the collapses against Michigan State and Penn State were beyond frustrating. Then you’ve got closer-than-they-should-be wins against Vandy (2 pts), Central Michigan (5 pts), Minnesota (1 pt), and Indiana (3 pts).
We’ve got the offensive firepower. We showed that by opening up a huge lead on a then-undefeated conference co-champion in the MSU game. If Persa can come back like he was last year and the O-line and running games improve, the defense might just not matter. But we’re kidding ourselves if we think there wasn’t really a problem there.
All that said, I think we saw some flashes of potential every now and then with certain players, so I’m hopeful. Who would have expected the defensive turnaround between 2007 and 2008?
Who needs defense?
Darnell Autry should be having a son soon enough….
If we dont get the 3 and out, well, when is the turnover coming?
by BuckeyeSki on May 3, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
More yards, fewer points
I think this has more to do with starting field position than anything else. Punts / Kickoffs improved dramatically between 2009 and 2010. Specifically, net punting average went from 33 yards and 106th in the nation in 2009 to 37.2 yards and 67th in the nation in 2010. Kickoff yardage increased from 59.99 to 64.37 during the same timeframe, and the number of touch-backs increased from 3 to 12. The ‘Cats did a better job making their opponents go farther in order to score in 2010, which they still did at an alarming rate, but an average 4-5 extra yards on each change in possession would result in a significant difference in scoring whether or not the defense in fact improved (which I don’t think it did).
Agreed....
…another reason for hope for Northwestern — save Demos (who was spotty at best on FGs/XPs), the Wildcats’ special teams played better in all phases last year. A full season of Venric Mark returning kicks will help the offense (and the defense in terms of at least having NU’s offense start drives with better field position).
"Northwestern's 2010 defense, through 10 games, was as good or better than in 2009"
I know cherry picked statistics when I see them. 2009’s defensive numbers included games against Auburn, Wisconsin, and Illinois.
Nope.
I compared the first 10 games of 2009 (thus no Wisconsin, Illinois, or Auburn) vs. the first 10 games of 2010 (again no Wisconsin, Illinois…or Texas Tech).
The fact of the matter is, there really wasn’t a tremendous fall-off by the NU defense in 2010 from the season before….until they lost Persa and the offense couldn’t stay on the field anymore.
Hmmm
Now I’m just convinced that the defense was the problem in both years.
Well...
….the defense was legitimately pretty good in 2008. 2009 it was beset by injuries (starting something like 9 different guys in the secondary — Wootton being a shell of himself as he returned from the Alamo Bowl ACL tear, etc.).
2010, it was actually fine (albeit weakened by graduation of a lot of its leaders — Phillips, Smith, McManis, Wootton)….up until those last 3 games, when it got gassed from the offense not being able to stay on the field.
2010 defense was not fine
The offense was just good enough to overcome it. It gave up 21 points to Vandy (season high), 25 to CMU (more than 6 MAC teams), 28 to Minnesota (second best against FBS), and the 35 point collapse to Penn State. They also gave up 45 points to Texas Tech in a game the offense did pretty well.
The offense was able to win a number of these games, but the defense was a definite liability.
Amen.
Thank you. We need to disabuse ourselves of this notion that “because the defense didn’t break 8 games out of the year”, everything’s OK. It’s just not OK to have something like Rob Henry running the zone-read lay the butt-hurt of 232 yds rushing on us—at home.
It’s nice to be able to just outscore people, but maybe counting on the offense less and asking the defense to pull just a little more weight could get us out of the 7-8 win seasons and into 9-10, hell, maybe even 11.
149 points...
70 of which were rang up in a single game.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 3, 2011 6:02 PM CDT reply actions
Asking if defense the problem with Northwestern
is akin to asking if a double tap to the head from Seal Team Six might cause a headache.
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by Ted Glover on May 3, 2011 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Illinois Game
Fatigue wasn’t the primary problem for the defense in the Wrigley game, unfortunately. The Illini tore us apart from the word go – LeShoure ripped off a big run on the very first drive, before Watkins and Co. started Turnover-fest.
It was a factor, no doubt, but the bigger problem was that we simply didn’t tackle well.
I'll disagree
Yes, LeShoure and the Illini offense moved the ball well early….but we were still in that game at the half and into the 3rd quarter (down 3 at half).
We lost the 2nd half — 21 to 3. That was the ballgame, right there — they had only 4 drives that half, but they took up 22 minutes, and 3 of them ended in touchdowns). If our defense had its legs (i.e. because our offense had held onto the ball and sustained drives) and wasn’t gassed, they could have stopped one of those drives, and we at least make a game of it in the 2nd half. I’m not saying we’d win necessarily (LeShoure had a monster game), or that our tackling was great in the 1st half (it wasn’t)…..but I think a tired defense CLEARLY played a factor in why we lost the 2nd half completely.
So, is Northwestern punting on 4th & 3 until Persa gets back?
Or perhaps Chadnudj is too busy prepping for tomorrow’s potluck? ;o)

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