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B1G 2011//Michigan State Point/Counterpoint: Step Up Or Step Back?

Hi kids!  It's Point/Counterpoint Tuesday, and I think it's the most interesting one yet.  Why?  Because in many ways, Michigan State is the one team in our beloved conference that has the most clear cut 'either/or' point counter point question that needs answering.  Is MSU's 11-2 record for real, or are they a pretender?  This question started being asked sometime after the end of the regular season and before Kirk Cousins was scraped off the turf of the Capital One Bowl.  As disappointing as that game was, MSU made some significant strides in 2010, and they are poised for a breakthrough season in 2011.

Or are they?

Point:  Michigan State will become a perennial BCS level/B1G championship contender-type program in 2011 and beyond.  They have laid the foundation to become a consistently strong program because they have recruited well, they have a solid coaching staff, and they have learned how to win. 

 

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Why is this man smiling?  Because he's on the verge of taking MSU to the next level.

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There is no denying that under coach Mark Dantonio, MSU has come a long way, baby.  The constant and stunning underachievement of the John L. Smith era has been been burned, buried, expunged, and eradicated, and the mental breakdowns that saw MSU losing in painful, almost comical fashion, are long gone.  Under Dantonio, MSU has become a fundamentally sound football team that doesn't beat itself, and they beat the teams they should.  As co-Big Ten champions, they were voted out of a BCS game, and MSU fans had a legitimate argument as to why they should have gone:  they beat co-champion Wisconsin, who beat the other co-champion Ohio State.  Before you can become great, you have to become consistently good, and MSU has done that.  They have solid senior leadership coming back, they have a tough but navigable schedule, they have the talent to compete on the big stage, and they can turn that Cap One debacle into a positive learning experience and motivation to silence doubters.  Said doubters called MSU's 11-2 record 'lucky', but good teams make their own luck.  Detractors point to "lucky" wins like Notre Dame and Purdue as to why Sparty still has a ways to go, but those are games MSU doesn't finish off just two or three years ago.  MSU learned how to win and close out games in 2010, and to become a BCS-level program, you have to first learn how to beat the teams you should.  Before you can run, you have to walk, and before you walk, you have to crawl.  MSU is ready to run.

Counterpoint:  C'mon, that was the most over-rated 11-2 record in college football last year.  They didn't really beat anyone except Wisconsin, and the argument that MSU should've gone to the BCS was laid to rest when Kirk Cousins was laid to rest by Alabama.  MSU will be a good, but never a consistently great program.

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Does Sparty still have a ways to go before they are an elite program?

If you're using the crawl-walk-run model, MSU is just standing up on their own two feet and getting ready to take their first steps.  Sure, they had 11 wins, but they didn't play Ohio State, they beat a bad Michigan team, got smoked by Iowa on the road, and had no business being on the same field as Alabama.  For the most part, they had a creampuff schedule, they got the Badgers at home, and when they had to play on the road they got crushed or generally played down to the level of their competition.  Yes, Dantonio has done some good things, but his health concerns are a serious issue and that might not allow him to coach for a lot of years.  Although they have the upper hand on recruiting against Michigan, that will go away now that Rich Rodriguez is gone and the Wolverines are back recruting on the same turf Sparty is and recruiting the types of players MSU is looking for, and they got by on a lot of luck last year.  The talent they have is good, but it's not in the same league of a consistent top 10 team, and it never will be.  They had a miracle win against an average Notre Dame team, and fourth quarter victories against teams that, if they are a true BCS-level team, they should have beaten handily--Purdue and Northwestern.  And we won't even get into the Alabama debacle. The luck that carried MSU through most of 2010 won't hold this year, and they'll drop back down to their normal ceiling of 8 wins, +/-1.

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Here's why I don't take Sparty seriously

As my name implies, I root for two teams. I also watched two Michigan State games last year. I saw State lose those games by a combined 86-13. And if anything, the games weren’t that close. It was a good team that had a favorable schedule. That’s it.

Ted nailed it in his counterpoint. They’re an 8 win team +/- 1 win every year.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 21, 2011 6:40 AM CDT reply actions  

They’re an 8 win team +/- 1 on a good year. Corrected.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 7:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't argue with your assessment.

But, to be honest, I’ll be happy with 8 +/— win each year, with the occasional 10 or 11 win campaign and run at the B1G title (say every 4 or 5 years).
I think those are solid expectations for this program, given the competitive nature of our conference.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

But why don't you think Sparty can take the next step?

Why shouldn’t your expectation be a BCS-level program?

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

They could take the next step, but it takes time.

They need to show they can be at least competitive in every game, and not get curb stomped by a middling Iowa team.
While there has been improvement over the last few years, some of the losses have been glaring (OSU, PSU, Iowa, Bama). Even when playing against better talent, they need to be at least competitive in every game.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, but I go back to my 'crawl-walk-run' theory

Gotta get to the point where you’re bringing in big recruits and winning the games you should before you can go to the next level. You’re doing that…so step up.

Nice recruiting coup on Pittman, by the way. everything I read was that he was a Buckeye lock. Hope that’s not a preview of things to come for OSU.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

It might be

I’ve heard his second choice was Notre Dame and some Michigan fans are claiming he tried to commit to them.

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by Seer on Jun 21, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pittman is a fantastic pickup for Sparty

in regards to tOSU losing locks, I think we have a couple more of those coming our way Ted

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 21, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree

The quicker this stuff gets settled either way the better the program will be in the long run.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you 'try to commit' to Michigan

and then end up committing to MSU? Was he kidnapped by Mark Dantonio? :)

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Allegedly

They backed off. I don’t really care, it all tastes like sour grapes to me.

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by Seer on Jun 21, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

UM said

They were too deep at that position to commit another scholarship.

by CJC1992 on Jun 22, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too much to overcome

They are the least sexy of PSU, OSU, Michigan, and Nebraska…and after that there is competition with Wisconsin and Iowa, both of which are a couple really good years away form being perennially nationally relevant. Throw Notre Dame and Brian Kelly in there and there are too many schools that MSU can’t compete with in terms of tradition. Regardless of allegiance, that’s kind of the pecking order from a national standpoint…and to 18 year olds. The Little Brother thing hurts a bit to, because some people may not want to be associated with it, true or not. They’ve beaten Michigan 3 straight and are still called Little Bro.

by Canzior on Jun 21, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprise, a Spartan disagree's

People quickly forget that things change.

ND is on their 4th or 5th coach who was certain to restore the echo’s. We’ll see.

UM – The chant of “Little Sisters”, MSU’s retort to Mike Harts now famous insult, is more widely known and used in the state. And Brady and his sub 500 record don’t really imply that they are headed straight back to the top. Oh, and 18 years olds know 2 things. 1. MSU is a top 5 basketball program, top 10 of all time. 2. UM won a football national title when they were 4.

Nebraska – You mentioned PSU, and they’re a great example of what could happen to Nebraska. PSU was supposed to own the Big 10, their joining was going to be the end of the conference as they showed the world that we were just kids playing in a sandbox. Ooops. PSU was a good add, and so will be Nebraska, but let’s not give them the next 10 Big Ten titles yet.

OSU – This isn’t the SEC, OSU is going to get real penalties.

The point is, you can find a time when each of the teams had been down and ascended to greatness. UM had been bad when Bo took over and won all those national titles…oh, sorry, nevermind.

by CJC1992 on Jun 22, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait...you actually cheer for Bama?

Wow, before I thought you were just a Hawkeye fan who lived in alabama. A typical fan with tunnel vision, an inflated view of the Hawks prospects, and a bizarre (but common amongst Hawk fans) lack of realistic perspective about Minnesota.

But you also cheer for Bama? Who has 2 favorite teams (who above the age of 12 has 2 favorite teams would be a fairer question)? And what Big Ten fan also claims an SEC team as a co-favorite team? Especially an SEC school that is not just historically racist, but continues to be one of the most racist schools in America.

‘But it’s student foibles that garner the national headlines, such as when a parade of white students in Confederate uniforms stopped in front of a black sorority house in 2009 and angered alumnae gathered for a party.’ —http://newsone.com/nation/associatedpress3/university-of-alabama-racist-incidents-brings-back-bad-memories/

I wanna ridicule you here. There’s a part of me that wants to connect your love of the deep South to your extremely mediocre writing skills. But your fandom is just so…sad. I feel like, at this point you need a big hug and some therapy more than you need a dressing down.

by AhliBobwa on Jun 21, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he worked for them

so of course you root for who you work for.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Jun 21, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's so weird about having two teams?

I’m a grad student at K-State, so I cheer for both U of I and K-State. I assume anyone who winds up attending two universities would cheer for both.

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by U-God on Jun 21, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pretty much.

Ask me about ASU sometime.

by Erik T on Jun 21, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes....but....

…I would hope you put your grad school affiliation (K-State) behind your undergrad/childhood affiliation (Illinois).

I mean, I clearly root for Northwestern (undergrad) and Virginia (law school)….but I certainly do not spend as much time “following” UVA — I root for them if the game’s on, will watch their games if Northwestern isn’t playing, and will read recaps, but I’m not going back to C-ville from Chicago for games or reading UVA blogs. And certainly if Northwestern and UVA were to play in any sport (and they have, at least in basketball and women’s lacrosse), my allegiance is clearly with Northwestern.

by Chadnudj on Jun 21, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate my grad school (Kansas).

I root against Jayhawk basketball at every possible opportunity.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's fine...

…no one says you HAVE to root for your grad school. But it’s permissible to make your grad school a 2nd to your primary/undergrad school and not violate sports bigamy rules.

by Chadnudj on Jun 21, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where have I been????

I had no idea there were rules governing what and how many teams a person can support. Could someone help me out and post a link. I am afraid I am not in compliance.

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by Kluginator on Jun 22, 2011 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course I do.

And I would always root for the Illini over the Wildcats. But seeing as I’m still on campus for three more years, it’s a lot easier to follow KSU than U of I.

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by U-God on Jun 21, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I still actively root for Minnesota when they’re not playing Northwestern (undergrad), because that’s the state I grew up (and currently reside) in.

by MNWildcat on Jun 22, 2011 4:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

You probably get enough crap from Bama fans for being a Yankee

I won’t add redneck accusations to the mix.

Of course, I might just be disagreeing on principle with everything Fake Pelini says at this point.

by nuftw on Jun 21, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is also perfectly acceptable

To be a fan of your wife’s favorite team (non alma mater) that you otherwise have no connection to while entirely foreasking your own school.

/Dan Shanoff’d

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 23, 2011 12:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Obsessed

You hawkeye fans are infatuated with OSU. You are like the ugly girl that hates the popular, attractive girl.

by biggy84 on Jun 21, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's because the attractive girl

Has all the money.

Which comes from all the wrong places…

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jealous none the less. ( i would have put a funny pic up but i haven’t figured out how to do that yet)

by biggy84 on Jun 21, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

And let me be clear

Supporting both my alma mater and my employer has been made infinitely easier by the fact that the two have never met on the gridiron. Should that happen someday (at a Florida Bowl most likely), I’ll be wearing black and gold.

(As an aside, the two have only met twice in men’s basketball – both times in November tournaments. The schools split the two games.)

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 21, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do really feel compelled to defend yourself to AhliBowba?

Seriously? Screw him and the homerific horse he rode in on.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 22, 2011 3:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am in a quandary

My son-in-law has been accepted to a PhD program at the University of Minnesota. Since he will be attending the school, the official rules allow him to support the Gophers. I need to know if there is some transitive rule of fandom that would allow me to continue interacting civilly with him and my daughter. I just don’t know anymore.

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by Kluginator on Jun 22, 2011 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's okay

Almost all my family is living in Iowa and are huge Iowa fans. You adapt.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 22, 2011 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's a son-in-law

You’re not required to act civilly with him even if you’re fans of the same team.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 22, 2011 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's amazing

How I knew who wrote this comment long before I saw the signature

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 22, 2011 2:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Sparty were on the other side, they might have a shot at being a perennial top 3 team in the division (thanks to the smackdown Ohio State is about to endure), but in the West they have to deal with a resurgent Big Brother, Big Red coming in and Iowa at one of its historical peaks it’s going to be tough to stay in title discussion. Auburn is the only “Little brother” school to make multiple trips to the BCS (and it required a 200k player to do it), Sparty isn’t going to make it two any time soon.

by HawkeyedFrog on Jun 21, 2011 6:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

The Leaders and Legends look even dumber now that OSU is being gutted.

by CJC1992 on Jun 22, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even wisconsin(who is a few notches above MSU overall)

Isn’t in the elite conversation yet. MSU has a VERY long way to go, and a VERY tough way to get there, if its even possible. Remember kids, to join the powerhouse category you must be constantly great. A conference, by nature, can only have a few powerhouses, and with OSU, Mich, Penn St, and Neb you already have a lot of elites in 1 conference. Add to that a surging Wisconsin, and you have a fluke for a good(somewhayt) MSU team that was potentially one win away from an equally embarassing loss to either Auburn or Oregon or TCU.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 7:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

No shit.

The last time Nebraska was a “powerhouse” was a decade ago.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, y'know, shut up and stuff.

Didn’t you learn last week? 5 national titles and a better record against your team. So….there?

by MNWildcat on Jun 22, 2011 5:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

By texas's ever lasting greed and money

And by the big 12 conf. and its refs playing favorites. But not by losing to them in football if that’s what you mean, we’ve lost to 100 other teams.

Anyway, good morning to you too, non-elite-program-liking iowa fan.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 7:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Notre Dame called, they wanna play reminisce too!

Great work excellent job elite program in your recent bowl game.

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You couldn't play reminisce even if you wanted to.

Keep winning 7-8 games to keep your proud fan base content with mediocre.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone can live in the past.

Live in the now and accept that UN-L is not currently elite. Unless you are stating Washington is also elite?

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think MSU is the type of team UN-L hasn't ever seen in conference action

If MSU hits UN-L as hard as Sparty plays Iowa, UN-L should have approximately 7 turnovers in the first half alone.

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

2009 Iowa @ MSU

can’t think of too many games that were more violent.

MSU’s challenge: balancing talent with discipline. If Dantonio can master that like TressVest did, Sparty could be great, nay, elite.

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that was a brutal game.

I was referencing Nebraska’s performance against Iowa State a couple years back when NEB coughed up like 9 turnovers.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska had more turnover than points that game.

Just…ugh.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 21, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eight.

But hey, who’s counting.

(Put your hand down, Iowa State fan.)

by Albino Tornado on Jun 21, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a hell of a day

I got to watch Nebraska shit the bed against Iowa State (I’m no Cyclone sympathizer, but there’s just pure schadenfreude in watching Nebraska lose at home to Iowa State) and then I got to see Iowa come back against Sparty with one of the most clutch final drives I can remember. After MSU’s prior scoring drive with the hook ‘n’ ladder, I thought we were toast. Truly an excellent football day.

by Jon Berg on Jun 21, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I got you Sparty D

that was maybe the sweetest collective football day for the state of Iowa.

8 turn overs to ISU?? Then 7 got 6 under the lights and stole Cy’s thunder.

Go Hawks.

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say it all together...

“IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU, NEBRASKA!”

(Especially when it’s “Sparty” Week….)

by Chadnudj on Jun 21, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

So how does everyone feel, then,

about the whole OSU scandal? Thoughts? Comments?

by MNWildcat on Jun 22, 2011 5:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean where they get throttled by Michigan State, Purdue, Wisconsin, and Ohio State twice annually?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 21, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hurt.

They’ve never seen a facemask like Luka Mirkovic.

Chalk 2 up for the ’Cats.

by MNWildcat on Jun 22, 2011 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again with the Michigan is a powerhouse

They’re not. Haven’t been since 2006.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yet, Nebraska is

Despite never having played in the conference.

WTF?

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska is Wisconsin

WIth the W turned upside down and kicked in. Good, not great team that can’t beat better teams. Well, Wisconsin is actually a little better, as they seem to beat OSU 50% of the time.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

OSU has a 2-0 record vs Neb

Trust me that’s gonna go away pretty soon, specially after darth vader quit being ur HC.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

well yeah

it’ll be 3-0 after we meet this fall.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Jun 21, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. 2-1.

It’s OSU’s turn to be Michigan now.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

To be a powerhouse of a conference

it usually helps to have, you know, played in said conference.

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by U-God on Jun 21, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

powerhouses aren't designated by the conference.

That’s the problem with middle of the pack programs, they’re content with playing for their conference title. Powerhouse is a national stage title. Do old people in the middle of georgia even know if your school has a football program? If they do, you’re likely a powerhouse. You can kick and scream all you want about but it is what it is.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

But they do know who ND, USC, NU, OSU, and Texas are.

However, they don’t know Iowa, Kansas, UNLV, or Fresno St.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pretty sure they could guess that pretty much every state has a university that happens to have a football team

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by U-God on Jun 21, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're looking live

at the Maine Black Bears taking on the New Hampshire Wildcats at historic Cowell Stadium…

/trolling

by Jon Berg on Jun 21, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'll soon realize this yourself.

A powerhouse doesn’t stay down forever. They’ve been down for some years, sure, but so was Bama, so has been Nebraska, so have been a number other teams. Its a cycle that takes ur team from running the table to “middle of the pack status” and eventually back to running the table.

Its why Wisky, and MSU, and Iowa(mikjones)aren’t and will not be elite teams. Their cycle is a notch lower than elite’s, and a bad team for them is a 4-5 win team, while a bad team for an elite program is a 7-8 win team. Mich will be back, no worries.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"A powerhouse doesn't stay down forever."

Signed, Notre Dame.

It’s been 10 years. Get over yourself.

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

5 years ago that could've read..

“Signed, Alabama

It’s been 10 years. Get over yourself."

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

5 years ago it was

Signed, Nebraska.

And you’re not back yet. Not when you lose 3 out of 4 to teams that are as good or as better than you are.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

UNFAIR

Nebraska didn’t care about that game so it doesn’t count.

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska was a 10 win team last year.

Merely 1 less win than OSU, and Nebraska has to play this crazy thing called a conference title game. Say the B12 has the same setup as the B10, OU and Neb never play, Neb goes on to beat UConn.

You now have a BCS winning, 11 win team. It just seems sooo much easier to do without a conference title game.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

C'mon Ted

you know the players just weren’t feelin’ that game against the Huskies

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by BuckeyeSki on Jun 21, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

1-9

Well, at least for the time being. At least we beat Washington.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

...and Texas

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 21, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

and we beat texas

And we’ve beat Bryant’s Alabama, among many many other GREAT sec teams.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 9:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, but like only once

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 21, 2011 10:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

But...

….only when you cared about the game. Not the other time.

by Chadnudj on Jun 21, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

*-9

"That chick was like, the Pele of anal."

by Bob Genghiskhan on Jun 21, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

So in that scenario...

NEB would be pretty nuch equal to MSU.
Got it.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bama hired a coach away from the NFL

And won a national title. Where does that leave you? Behind the curve?

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tulsa also won 10 games last year

The difference is that they actually won their bowl game. So what’s your point? Your trolling is so good it just has to be fattening.

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's right

Keeping making it about Iowa v. Nebraska, despite me addressing your inexplicable attitude that you’re just going to steamroll our conference. When you start out 0-2 come back and tell us how elite you are and how elite Wisconsin isn’t.

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

This comment is so full of win

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 21, 2011 10:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

For the record I think it was 73 to Kansas...

The scored 76 against K-State the following week in a win.

by MSULaxer27 on Jun 21, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what does that make the 2008 Michigan team?

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by U-God on Jun 21, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

THEY WEREN'T PLAYING MANBALL

WOOOOO!!!

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A really bad Michigan team.

Here’s the difference, Iowa fan: with a mediocre coach who hasn’t won a game yet, Michigan can recruit by its name. Iowa can’t do that. Simple as that.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 8:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Iowa fan?

What?

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Jun 21, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

^---Illinois fan

v—-Iowa fan

Big Ten football: All day. Every day.
Okay, minus a few hours here and there.

by HawksNation on Jun 21, 2011 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean when NU was dominating CFB?

Cause as far as relevant goes, I don’t know if there was a bigger news frenzy last off-season than NU packing up and moving?

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the record

The B1G didn’t ask Nebraska to join. Nebraska asked to join… facts are a bitch…

by Grixxly on Jun 21, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never claimed Neb was asked by B1G.

But I do agree with you, facts are a bitch.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 2:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because we don't constantly crow about our 5 national championships?

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by U-God on Jun 21, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not an Iowa fan

But if you can’t coach, raw-crootin’ don’t matter. Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame proved that, and we’ll see how Brady Hoke does. I will concede that Hoke’s early recruiting returns are pretty good.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

So does that apply to MSU?

Spartans were a powerhouse in the 60’s. Or does the cyclical thing only work for nineties programs?

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Powerhouses can fade

See: Minnesota

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Okay, minus a few hours here and there.

by HawksNation on Jun 21, 2011 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

and come back

See Alabama, USC, etc

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 9:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

1) Big 4, 2) Iowa/Wiscy, 3) MSU

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Okay, minus a few hours here and there.

by HawksNation on Jun 21, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks hawks

for not being the idiot everyone above your post decided to be. I said what you said and it turned into a notre dame/washington/hair band tirade.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just try to be objective.

Big Ten football: All day. Every day.
Okay, minus a few hours here and there.

by HawksNation on Jun 21, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there's not a whole lot of this "objective"

To go around here, that’s a shame. But that’s the interwebs for ya I guess?

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 9:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You can't argue that MSU is on the doorstep yet...

They’ve just successfully won a portion of their first conference in 20 years.
Afterall as I recall Iowa owns four 10+ win seasons this decade and they are still considered a level below the Big 4.

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by HawksNation on Jun 21, 2011 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought the conditions for Sparty might be a little different

simply because Michigan is in such a down cycle, and MSU had gotten the recruiting edge in areas where Michigan historically had the upper hand, like the home state and Northern Ohio. My reasoning is that if MSU can legitimately compete for those recruits that UM-OSU historically fought over, they could get the players that could pull them up a notch.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who is this big 4?

PSU? One BCS season in the last 4. OSU? The school about to get fisted by the NCAA? Nebraska? The one that doesn’t beat other good teams? Michigan? Really, Michigan?

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by Seer on Jun 21, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

just to please your backwards imagination..

By the big 4 he meant Mich St, Illinois, Iowa, and Indiana.

I take it you also don’t know who Paul Bear Bryant, Michael Jackson, or Bill Clinton are.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 10:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just a bunch of sexual miscreants

/rimshot

Seriously, my point is there isn’t such a clearly defined elite in this conference right now.

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by Seer on Jun 21, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's still our conference until the hammer drops.

And after the Ohio BMV thing, the hammer may be lighter.

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by Jon Ross on Jun 21, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off Topic but....

http://sports.ap.org/college-football/story?id=pb9845b5ed71c4f2d953456f7cf44ea74

THE Ohio State University: 1
the heathens: 0

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by BuckeyeSki on Jun 21, 2011 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

If it's Off Topic

post it as a fan shot.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 21, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knee-jerk reaction

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 21, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Certainly a good sign for OSU, however...

…the Ohio BMV’s standards =/= NCAA standards for improper benefits.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really wish that wasnt the truth, but sadly it is

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 21, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Remember that post from TB...

…I’m starting to understand the warning he was trying to give to the B1G teams regarding Nebraska

by SpartyFever on Jun 21, 2011 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know

his post was about a flood of crazy fans, we’ve only got one crazy fan.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Jun 21, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

that wouldn't be me would it?

Cause I’m rational and objective.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 10:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

yeah, like a menstrating female

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by BuckeyeSki on Jun 21, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both of you kids knock it off

Am I going to have to put you two in a timeout? :)

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least his homerism is assholish and funny

Yours is quite serious, obnoxious, unfunny and justified on events that happened 10 years ago.

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I just realized I said something not negative about Buckeye Ski

I will now be taking a sabbatical from the internet and taking some personal time to think about my life and where it’s going.

by mikjones24 on Jun 21, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

bye mike!

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by Graham Filler on Jun 21, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well done!

I will always appreciate the subtle statement you make.

by biggy84 on Jun 21, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

IT'S A TRAP!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 21, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

THEY'VE. WON. 5. NATIONAL. CHAMPIONSHIPS.

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"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
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by Jon Ross on Jun 21, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

This post might be where the universe collapases in on itself

I’m not that good at physics but there must be some natural law against one troll calling out another troll for trolling. While doing so in a discussion completely unrelated to the main issue.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 21, 2011 10:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

My brain is turning into a pile of mush

We're gonna go America all over their asses!

by ninerhawk on Jun 29, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were others in the past couple weeks.

I’m sure they’ll be more.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 21, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's pretty unlikely MSU becomes a perenial BCS contender

The only team in the Big Ten that fits that profile has been OSU and it’s obviously questionable if they’ll retain that status going forward. However, since Dantonio has arrived the program has definitely improved. The previous 3 seasons before Dantonio arrived the team went 14-22 overall, 7-17 in conference, and played in zero bowl games. Since his arrival we’ve been 33-19 overall, 20-12 in conference with a shared conference title and 4 bowl games in 4 years.

For comparisons sake Wiscy and Iowa have been 20-12 and 19-13 in conference games the last 4 years. I see MSU being very similar to those two programs. A team that’s usually over .500 or better in Big Ten games and will challenge for conference titles every couple years.

by Stones1981 on Jun 21, 2011 10:22 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I've been given a warning not to be such an idiot.

I’m not getting banned over angry Iowa fans spitting fire over the truths I speak, but I’ll limit my truth-speaking to agreeing/disagreeing and predicting the end of the world with minor comments.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 10:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't know MSU lax

Dantonio was willing to play Rucker days removed from a jail cell. I’m not commenting on whether that was a good decision or not, just pointing out that Dantonio seems pretty attached to doing what it takes to win.

by AhliBobwa on Jun 21, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the difference

Is with CLR, he pleaded guilty and faced the consequences. He spent a few days in jail as per the sentence and did the rest of which he was required. Why punish the guy twice, especially since he already completed the sentence.

Very similar to Simms. When there was even an inkling of Simms being involved with a laptop ring, he was suspended indefinitely. He was really seen as guilty by association after many months of legalities. The fact that his ruling was 8hrs community service can stand testament to that.

by SpartyFever on Jun 21, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is a semantic argument. Although much as I disagreed with the decision to play CLR (and reinstate Simms):

There is a difference between using a player who we thing we shouldn’t play but is clearly eligible and using players whose indiscretions made them clearly ineligible had their coach properly reported information he had.

by MSULaxer27 on Jun 21, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

About CLR

& his supposed “light” punishment – Coach D suspended him indefinitely as soon as he heard about the alleged DUI (remember, legally, it’s alleged until he has had his day in court). So the guy was immediately removed from the team before the beginning of due process. While in the real legal world this would be a major no-no, being a scholly athlete on a D1 team is not the real world, and Coach D & the AD have the right & ability to make the move they did within the confines of the football team.

So while yes, Coach D did let him play a few days out of jail, keep in mind that he also took away his privilege of playing the moment that he learned about the DUI arrest, and CLR missed two games as well as nearly three weeks of practice. Now look at other B1G schools, and schools in other conferences, and tell me how many instances we see of players getting busted for DUI, drugs, sexual assaults, beatings, theft, etc, but the coach continues to play him while an investigation happens.

The point is, Coach D acted swiftly, unilaterally, and most importantly, appropriately. He sent a stern message that such behavior will not be tolerated at MSU, and when players do this sort of thing, they will face an immediate and meaningful punishment.

by MSUDersh on Jun 23, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The South Vietnamese generals and Diem reference

gets a rec.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Raising the floor

IMO, the effect that Dantonio has had on the program is raising the floor.

Recruiting under Bobby and Johnelle consisted of stupidly going after 5-star athletes when we were 4-6, whiffing badly and ending up with a couple 4-stars and a bunch of 2-star or less fill ins. Then they showed that they were not head coaches, by replying “I don’t know” in response to a question of “Have you lost your team?” (Bobby) and slapping themselves (Johnelle)

Dantonio came here, realized he’s not getting those 5-stars and going after borderline 3/4 star athletes, getting them, and filling in with a couple of 2-stars. At the same time, he’s able to coach up the guys he gets to reach their potential (3-star Greg Jones, 3-star Jerel Worthy, 2-star Kirk Cousins).

All this has had the effect of raising our floor from 3 wins a year to probably 7 wins a year, which I am more than happy with.

by BongoFury on Jun 21, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with this sentiment

and believe that raising the floor is the first step. That means that we’re NOT losing games that we shouldn’t lose. Now if we can just win the games that we shouldn’t that’s the next step. The final step is simply winning every game (or close to it)

If Dantonio’s health holds up, we could keep him around for another 5-7 years. Simply by extrapolating the progress already made, MSU could most certainly be sitting on top of the Big Ten pile in 2016, and also be a contender on the national stage.

You don’t become “elite” in one great season, but you can become a joke in 3 (see: U of M). Teams that are “elite” are automatically recognized for being so by others, it’s not something that takes convincing (see: Nebraska). MSU is not there yet, because we have losses like Bama and Iowa, but If we keep our heads down, and keep doing the right things, there’s no “invisible ceiling” that will ever keep us from EARNING elite status.

The only thing I pray for is that if/when that does happen, we don’t act like “elite” d-bags the way some teams do.

by StickyGreen on Jun 21, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction:

Iowa didn’t offer – per a glut of QBs at the time. Cousins is a great kid, so is his family.

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

My ex-girlfriend tried to date him but it didn't work out. Too bad, because I would have felt a lot better about myself haha.

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by Jon Ross on Jun 21, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine how funny the game planning give and take would be

between Bo Pelini (drunk on rage) versus Mike Leach (drunk and dressed up like a Pirate) ?

That would instantly become the most entertaining coaching staff in America.

by AhliBobwa on Jun 21, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think "Fake Pelini" received a talking to

Hopefully his civility will last more than a day.

Also, I don’t think anyone get that upset about irrationality. We wouldn’t be college football fans if we weren’t irrational sometimes. The key is to not be an asshole about it.

by nuftw on Jun 21, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, I was talked to about my homerism.

I’ll stop being an overbearing ass hole and just be a regular ass hole from now on.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 2:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mike Leach in the B1G

Would be epic. Epically bad or epically good I don’t know, but it would be By God epic.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you joking?

Bo cared enough about our pathetic offense he fired the OC/qb & WR coaches. I’d say that shows he “cares” Debbie Downer.

by bshirt on Jun 22, 2011 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the way people

Make sure you avoid watching BTN from July 1st at noon wil about July 4th, because it’s going to be all homer-Nebraska content for a full 50-something hours.

Seriously, even I thought that was a bit much on the part of the BTN.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 3:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Eh, I can actually see it

Let’s B1G fans that know Nebraska get to know about Nebraska. The good thing is that there will be no basketball replays, I assume… :)

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha you would be correct.

In the illustrous history of Nebraska, there isn’t a single basketball replay. A big of baseball and volleyball, but that’s it.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good wrestling program too, no?

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's only one Iowa in wrestling

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Word.

maybe Oklahoma state…. But Iowa almost got AC Slater!

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not going to venture very far into this topic

because I am far from an expert on college wrestling. But my brother is, and I trust him when he says that every major program in college wrestling today has current or recent past significant ties to Iowa in some way. Either they’ve recruited wrestlers from the state, or former Hawkeye wrestlers coach there, or former Iowa assistants are now head coaches there.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a great column

Thanks for the link

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

however

Since I said “decent. It’s no iowa though” does that by default mean iowa is horrible?

Perhaps I’m an iowa homer now?

by Fake Pelini on Jun 21, 2011 10:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No basketball highlights at all?

What are you, Northwestern?

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by HoyaGoon on Jun 22, 2011 3:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hey

we will put together a WHOLE reel of white kids dunking, if that’s what you’d really like to see.

I fear I’d be banned if I put up a collection of John Shurna threes, as that would most likely be too ugly for such a site.

by MNWildcat on Jun 22, 2011 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can check out the titles of the shows airing

At bigtennetwork.com….I don’t believe I saw anything basketball related, and quite honestly wouldn’t expect there to be any.

I mean, for god’s sake, we haven’t won a single NCAA tournament game ever. EVER.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 22, 2011 7:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not even that one time you guys almost beat Creighton?*

*I have no idea when the last time it was you guys actually beat Creighton, but for some reason I wouldn’t imagine it was recently.

by jhitts08 on Jun 25, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dantonio has MSU on an upward trajectory. That’s no small accomplishment. They’ve beaten my beloved Wolverines three years running? Even in these embarrassing and horrendous times for Michigan, that’s not too shabby.

I’m no MSU fan (though I will point out that, yes, my younger brothers went there, so there’s a soft spot for them), but what they’ve accomplished in the last four years is impressive.

I do think that last year was something of an overachieving year for MSU, but I remember 1965 and 1966 quite clearly, and MSU was an incredibly powerful program in those days. There’s no reason it can’t compete with the best of the B!G for championships, provided that it takes care of its business.

by LSBlue on Jun 21, 2011 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

If Michigan State basketball can be nationally relevant every year there is no reason MSU football can't be too.

Granted, MSU pulls good basketball recruits because of Izzo, but still, brighter days should be ahead for Sparty football.

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by Jon Ross on Jun 21, 2011 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Solid takeaway that

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by Ted Glover on Jun 21, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Michigan is a better state for basketball than football

In my completely untrained opinion. And there really isn’t much competition in the state for recruits.

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by Seer on Jun 21, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's cuz Clarkston keeps pumping out talent!

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"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 21, 2011 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Izzo lost to Iowa(!) this year.

while two MSU bballers have transferred to ISU. Maybe Sparty glory is headed for the gridiron?

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Transfered after being kicked off the team for rules violations.

I don’t think MSU bball is going anywhere as long as Izzo is there.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 21, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm no where near discounting Izzo.

But within the albeit lowly populated borders of Iowa it’s almost like this state got the best of him this year.

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 21, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

They also stole some guys from other B1G schools very recently

See: Branden Dawson.

Also, I think Lucious and Chris Allen were, in part, both angry that they weren’t team leaders like Kalin (at least, that’s my completely uninformed opinion, knowing nothing about their actual personalities).

I think Sparty will be fine on the basketball court for a while.

by jhitts08 on Jun 21, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Other disgruntled/troubled transfers are headed to ISU, should be interesting to watch Clowns Men bball.

back to the point I made above. Seems like this year’s MSU bball team was way less Izzo-like than most. Not calling for his head or saying Izzo can’t win anymore. Just seems like he lost a step or was off rhythm all year.

"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy

by BentNotBroken on Jun 21, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are certainly right about that

I think maybe losing a few of those guys maybe disrupted the team’s flow a little bit, for whatever reason. And Kalin post-injury was certainly not the same as Kalin pre-injury.

I think this next year the team will be a lot more stable (hopefully) with Green, Appling, Nix and Roe back in the mix.

by jhitts08 on Jun 22, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should be great

Saw that your boys will be playing UNC on Veterans Day on an aircraft carrier. That is a big honor in my book.

by biggy84 on Jun 22, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

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