OTE Michigan State Potluck: Land Grant Trophy NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Spartans don't need food, or shelter, or water.....but, apparently, they needed a lot of eyeliner. Well, at least that's what I took away from "300."

Regardless, it's Michigan State Week here at OTE, which means a Spartan-themed potluck. Hop below the jump to discuss a trophy only a drug addict could love, Spartan plundering recruiting grounds, what dairy product the MSU offensive line reminds me of, the importance of cardiac health (please get regular checkups with your doctor, particularly if you're the figurehead of a B1G university), and video of what GOB Bluth might call "something a whore does for money" plays.....
1. Appetizer: Write your eulogy for the Land Grant Trophy (which will, at minimum, cease to be an annual trophy game with the split of Michigan State and Penn State into separate divisions). Admit it, you'll miss its bowling-trophy-on-acid hideousness, won't you?

The first ever trophy that should actually go to the losers of the game....
Ted Glover: When I was a little kid, I remember seeing a platypus for the first time, and I thought that animal was created when God looked around his shop, saw all the extra parts he had laying around after creating all the other animals, and cobbled together some hideous hybrid of a reptile/mammal/amphibian/whatever the hell it is, just to fuck with us stupid humans. I mean, it has a bill, venom, lays eggs, has fur, and likes Lady GaGa. Seriously, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING? The platypus, not Lady GaGa, but I guess you could apply the question to both. But when I grew up and became an older and learned man, I realized that God actually gave himself a day off, and while he was out, Satan broke into his shop, dropped acid, and voila, the platypus, Pink Floyd's The Wall movie, Hunter S. Thompson, the 60's, and the Land Grant Trophy were created, one right after the other, but not necessarily in that order. PSU was given trophy rivalries with Minnesota (Governor's Victory Bell) and Michigan State (Land Grant), and they never really fit. The bell was a cliche, but it was safe, so fine. Woo hoo. But for the Land Grant, you had a forced rivalry playing for what is the most embarrassing trophy ever. I mean, have you seen that thing? If my kid put that thing together and said 'Dad, I made you this great trophy because you're the best Dad in the world', I swear I'd drop him off at an orphanage and drive over that hideous goddamn trophy as I pulled away, laughing maniacally. I can't ever remember either the MSU fanbase or the PSU fanbase yearning to "GET BACK THE LAND GRANT FROM THOSE GODLESS COMMUNIST HEATHEN BASTARDS AND BRING IT HOME TO WHERE IT BELONGS! WHOOOOO! Ever. In fact, I think that if they lost that game, they'd be relieved that the Land Grant wouldn't be in the trophy case for at least a year.
Can we just put The Land Grant Trophy in a wooden box next to the Ark of the Covenant in the warehouse at the end of the Indiana Jones movie and pretend it never happened, much like the 1970's?
2. Salad: First the failed RichRod experiment at Michigan. Now Ohio State is potentially in trouble (at minimum they've already lost their legendary head coach). Suddenly, Michigan State will have a 4-6 year period (maybe more? less?) where at least one of its two primary rivals in their primary recruiting territories will be down. Has this long streak of reduced (or handicapped) competition for recruits in Ohio and Michigan set Michigan State up for a steady place in the top 3-4 of the B1G over the foreseeable future?
Graham Filler: I'll be honest - The recent downturns of OSU and UM have been tremendously beneficial to Michigan State. Now a four star recruit who would typically wave MSU off might want a little stability and maybe some instant playing time. Now that four star is going to have faith in the stabilized coaching system in place at State, a stability not to be found in AA or Columbus.
Ricardo Efendi: Will Michigan State be able to exploit Michigan's recent misadventure and Ohio State's forthcoming penalties on the recruiting paths and then establish itself as a perennial conference contender? No. Allow me to look at three different points.
During the RichRod fiasco, Michigan lost its death grip on the state and opened the door for Sparty. Now Michigan has not only brought in a head coach who has reenergized the fanbase, alumni, and boosters, but also a defensive coordinator whose resume screams credibility. It should therefore come as no surprise they're back to reestablishing their dominance in-state and getting back to playing Wolverine football; that's not good news if you're a Spartan partisan. Michigan's got its corner back.
Until the NCAA hammer strikes, predicting how or what MSU will exploit in the state of Ohio is difficult. If Ohio State receives a penalty on par with what the NCAA handed down to USC (reduced scholarships, two-year post-season ban) I expect OSU to be resilient and hold down the fort in-state, with only Michigan (a resurgent power with resources) reclaiming some of the avenues it had under Lloyd Carr. If the Buckeyes get blasted (cue 650 comments arguing this will NOT happen) by the powers-that-be (let's say, for example, scholarship reductions over a five-year period, coupled with a four-year ban on post-season play) then the doors open up. But if/when the gates to the fertile Ohio recruiting grounds open, who will be first among equals? Michigan. I understand that Mark Dantonio's name holds sway in the state that annexed Toledo, but that's easily countered by the panache enjoyed by the program with the winged helmet (not Princeton). Compared to Michigan State (or really anyone else), Michigan benefits disproportionately from any fallout in Columbus. None of this includes the fact that Penn State and Wisconsin also mine Buckeye country (they probably do not enjoy the networks that Dantonio does, but they're competition nonetheless), or that harsh penalties may open up the door for Nebraska, Iowa, or even SEC schools.
Finally, if Michigan State is going to exploit any chinks in their rivals' recruiting armor, they need to prove on the field to potential recruits that they're a worthy destination. I'm not going to get into whether or not they were lucky in 2010: they won eleven games and proved tough (physically and mentally) doing it. Can they repeat the feat in the near future? Doubtful. This year's schedule has them hosting Michigan (emotional rivalry game) and Wisconsin (East Lansing is the second-to-last conference demon Bielema needs to exorcise) in back-to-back weeks, which is immediately followed by a trip to Nebraska. Two weeks after that they're back in Iowa. I doubt they'll finish 7-1 or even 6-2 in conference play this season. In 2012 they face a four-week stretch that goes Iowa, @Michigan, @Wisconsin, Nebraska. The schedule does not really abate until 2014 when they face only one tough road test (@Michigan).
As Michigan ascends State will find itself marginalized in both the Great Lakes State and Ohio. The schedule makes it tough for them to build on a promising 2010. So, no, I do not believe Michigan State is ready to jump up to conference's upper echelon, either now or in the foreseeable future.
3. Potato/Rice: As Phil Steele likes to point out, winning is greatly facilitated by having experience returning to your team. The 2011 Spartans are bringing back Edwin Baker (1201 yards rushing, 13 TDs last year), Le'Veon Bell (a HUGE RB -- 237 lbs -- who had 605 yards rushing and 8 TDs last year), "Captain" Kirk Cousins at QB, WRs Keshawn Martin and B.J. Cunningham, and some key pieces on the DL (Jerel Worthy, William Gholston, Tyler Hoover). But they've lost some big contributors as well -- namely All-Conference level LBs Greg Jones and Eric Gordon, and their O-Line lost both starting tackles and center John Stipek. Will the returning skill players keep MSU among the top of the conference? Or will Cousins be scrambling behind a swiss-cheese O-line while opposing teams attack MSU's inexperienced LBs?
Chadnudj: I'll admit it -- I'm worried about Sparty. Ignoring for a moment the whole argument that Michigan State could play better in 2011 and still end up with a worse record (due to a tougher schedule/less "luck" than they experienced in 2010), the fact that MSU has question marks on the offensive line is a HUGE problem in the B1G. Let's face it -- when you're facing D-Lines like those at Nebraska, Iowa, and OSU, it is imperative that you have experienced and/or talented offensive lineman there to keep your QB clean/upright and open holes for the running backs. Not only is Sparty going into 2011 with question marks at 3 of the 5 O-line positions, those 3 positions are the most important positions on the O-line -- guards are important, don't get me wrong, but nowhere near as important as the man snapping the ball or the guys guarding the QB's blind-side and blocking the other edge. And while Michigan State's offense was respectable last season (5th in scoring offense, 3rd in passing offense, 7th in rushing offense, 6th in total offense), it didn't exactly light the world/conference on fire. Replicating that production (much less improving on it) with a bunch of new guys at the tackle spots and center will be a very tall order indeed.
I'm less concerned about the defense -- while you don't easily replace LBs the caliber of Gordon or Jones, Michigan State certainly has depth and talent returning thanks to their excellent recruiting to repectfully fill the gaps, and Dantonio's coaching staff has demonstrated the ability to teach fundamentals to all of their players (including how to properly brawl in a dorm). But given my prediction that the offense may struggle, the Spartans don't need their new LBs to replace Gordon and Jones...they arguably need them to be even better. And that's impossible to imagine.
4. Meat/Hot Dish: In the comments here on OTE, I've repeatedly seen Mark Dantonio's health (specifically his heart problems following the gutsy win against That School in South Bend) called into question as a negative for MSU. Commenters seem to suggest that because a fifty-five year old man has heart attack, he won't last much longer coaching and/or recruits may shy away from MSU. Seriously? Dantonio's own doctors said he was in great health, any damage was minimal, and many if not MOST men his age that experience some type of cardiac "event" that make adjustments to their diet/exercise make full recoveries (and sometimes even if they don't....like my dad, who had bypass surgery at 51.....then again at 65....and is still puttering around the house at 74). On a scale of 1 to 10, how big an issue is Dantonio's heart attack scare to the future of the Spartans?
Ted Glover: Seriously? Yes. Look, I'm not saying Mark Dantonio needs to resign, and I don't think his health is affecting recruiting, as MSU just landed a HUGE coup in Sa'Veon Pittman, a DE prospect that everybody thought was an OSU lock. However, being a big time football coach is a stressful gig, and guys burn out all the time. If you're going to make me put a number on it, I'll give him a 6. If he stays healthy, no worries. Like you said, he got a clean bill of health from his doctors, and he is a man in his 50's. But if he has another 'episode', it's no longer an anomaly, it's a trend. And I don't mean to speak for Coach Dantonio, but if I had a second heart attack while doing a stressful job, and had a pile of money in the bank and an opportunity to make some pretty serious walking around money as an analyst or some other low stress gig, you'd have a hard time convincing me coaching is something I should do if it was going to kill me. All that aside, I hope Mark Dantonio is the MSU coach for a long time. He's a good coach that has MSU on the right path, and it's nice to have a guy in the B1G that isn't afraid to gamble from time to time.
5. Dessert: Little Giants. Mouse Trap. You can't talk about Michigan State's 2010 season without mentioning those two awesome, season-defining trick plays. Other than those two plays, what is your favorite trick play that your team (or some other team you enjoyed) ever ran?
Chadnudj: Being a Northwestern fan, I think I have more than my fair share of familiarity with trick plays. Two games immediately come to mind.
First, of course, is Victory Right. First, on October 28, 2000, after staging an epic comeback against Minnesota (5 for 5 on key 4th downs in a 2nd half, 21 point comeback at the Metrodome), the Cats had the ball on the Gopher's 45 yard line with time to run one play. So they ran Victory Right -- a play the Cats practiced every week, but allegedly never succeeded with in practice -- to perfection. Zak Kustok to Kunle Patrick (volleyball set deflection) to Sam Simmons will always live in Northwestern lore:
Northwestern Wildcats Victory Right - 10/28/00 WGN Radio
But the game everyone associates with Northwestern and trick plays in the 2010 Outback Bowl vs. Auburn. I was there for the game, and it truly was incredible. Everyone, of course, remembers the final play of the game -- a fake FG attempt called "Fastball" that Fitz ran in an attempt to win in OT. Sure, it failed....but I love Fitz for calling it and going for it. (Probably in the same way Husker fans appreciate Tom Osborne "going for 2" in the 1984 Orange Bowl). What many people don't remember is the OTHER trick play in this game which sent the game to OT -- the Mike Kafka pitch to Andrew Brewer, who passed to a wide open Brendan Mitchell for a tying 2-pt conversion (seen below at the 6:12 mark...although you should really see the whole thing, or at least the part at 2:20 where Drake Dunsmore proves that it is impossible to tackle him.
Northwestern Wildcats Outback Bowl Highlights
Ted Glover: Most everyone here knows I'm a diehard Minnesota Vikings fan, and to say we've had our share of heartbreak is like saying Napoleon's retreat from Russia was a little winter stroll. But for all the agony we've had to endure, there was a two play sequence in Vikings history that is just so damn unbelieveable it defies description. Of course, it happened against the Cleveland Browns, probably the only other team with a more tortured fanbase than the Vikings. It's December, 1980, and the Vikings are down 23-22, on their own 20, with 14 seconds left. A win and they win the NFC Central division for the 11th time in 13 years, and a loss means no playoffs. The first is a flea flicker play from...well, just watch it. The principals are QB Tommy Kramer, TE Joe Senser, RB Ted Brown, and WR Ahmad Rashad. There's a reason it's called the Met Stadium Miracle:
The Miracle at Metropolitan Stadium - Vikings Comeback Against The Cleveland Browns
The other? Well, not a trick play by the purest definition, but it was a helluva gamble on 4th and 1 with your undefeated season on the line. The Buckeyes came out in an offset-I, and EVERYBODY thought it was going to be running play to try and get the first down. The linebackers crashed down, the pocket started collapsing, and then Craig Krenzel stepped up in the pocket and, well, HOLY BUCKEYE!
Holy Buckeye!!
Ricardo Efendi: Certainly not a favorite, but in the third quarter of the Rose Bowl Wisconsin tried out a trick play. I believe it was called a "forward pass." Offensive coordinator Paul Chryst became so enamored with this novel concept that he attempted it again and again and again until, with about nine minutes remaining in the game, he realized it was a stupid idea. But then he channeled his inner Ryan Leaf one more time and did something really stupid at the bitter end. I am now going to drink.
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I have no idea...
…why the video links won’t work. I’m trying to fix it, FYI, but apologies to our readers.
RICARDO U WRONGGG GIRLLLLL
MSU is already exploiting OSU’s instability…and has been exploiting Michigan’s instability for a few years.
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Graham
Do you have a magic solution for the video embedding problem? Is there are a problem? I can’t see the videos for some reason (crappy work browser)
I'll make it work on lunch break
No problem.
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by Graham Filler on Jun 23, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup, they have. But once those programs get their respective houses in order they’ll go right back to dominating their traditional recruiting pastures.
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by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 23, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
You say this with such certainty and conviction
But that makes it sound all the more off-base and silly when one realizes there is no logical explanation for believing it. You just…believe it.
Which is fine.
But we haven’t even seen Brady Hoke coach A GAME in the B1G. We haven’t seen him ‘coach ’em up’. We’ve barely even seen his spring practices.
So, to so matter-of-factly state that Michigan State will be the whipping boy in the near future is really quite foolish. Particularly because we’ve seen the Spartans tear down that notion in the last three years. And, what, Michigan hires a coach that runs his program like Lloyd did and it’s all over?
You might be right in the long run, you might be wrong – time will tell. But to come to that conclusion at this time, with that kind of certainty? That’s patently wrong, period.
I’ve laid out here and in other places why I think this is the case. They include 1) the fact that Hoke and Mattison will be running a more typical B1G scheme means they’ll be targeting the type of player that comes from their traditional recruiting grounds- areas and players that RichRod essentially ceded to MSU. 2) Michigan is a national program. MSU is not. The Wolverines hold loads of cachet that will help them re-establish their program, just like OSU will in a few years. 3) Hoke has the reenergized Michigan’s base: fans, alumni, players, etc. There’s a buzz and momentum around the program that did not exist during the RichRod era. Expect money, handlers, etc. all to be used on the recruiting path (I’m not insinuating Michigan will resort to underhanded tactics, just that their networks will be more robust) 4) Michigan has better facilities, a better reputation, and more of the bells and whistles that attract recruits. 5) Hoke already out-recruited Dantonio this year. 6) The Michigan’s staff better links to the NFL will help them sell their product.
You have a right to believe my position is foolish, but not to take it out of context. I believe that Hoke will resurrect the Michigan program, return it to respectability, and execute on the field. This is what ultimately will drive kids to Washtenaw County (no, not Eastern). I did not insinuate anywhere that ‘poof! Hoke’s like Lloyd, now MSU is doomed!’ And as much as you have a right to think that my methodology is “patently wrong, period,” I would counter that taking a three-year sample size to derive the result you want, all the while disregarding fifty years that point the opposite, is even more intellectually dishonest than any fault in argument.
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by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 24, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not taking a random three-year sample size.
I’m taking the most recent three-year sample size. All indicators pointing towards Michigan enjoying an undoubtedly smooth transition from Rodriguez to Hoke are debunked by the simple fact that all the players recruited in the past three years were for Rodriguez’s vaunted spread and his preference for a 3-3-5 ‘defense’ – both schemes that Hoke could not separate from the Michigan program fast enough.
Additionally, to point at the recruitment trail this year and say Michigan has won is ludicrous. It’s June. Last I checked, there was plenty of time yet for schools to ‘catch up’ and hold serve with rivals when given an eight-month time frame. The last few days are evidence of that, with State receiving multiple verbals in a short span that was precluded by weeks of radio silence. That’s how recruiting tends to work.
And what exactly am I taking out of context? You bluntly stated you believe a head coach with a 47-50 record will unquestionably take a premier program back to the promised land. You never even seemingly questioned your viewpoint with the most basic of logic (‘Maybe I’ll wait until I see him with his team on the football field against fellow Big Ten competition’ is a big one), and continually point to plenty of hypotheticals you’ve concocted in your brain and exclaim, ‘This is why I am right!’, all while missing the ACTUAL point.
Which is, you have no idea what the hell is going to happen. It’s a transitional phase for the Wolverine program – back to what it knows best, or what it wishes it only knew. Whether or not that transition with Brady Hoke, the Ball State Savior, is seamless, or bumpy, or even succeeds at all is still very much up in the air.
As I said, you may be right four years down the road. And if you are, by all means, pound your chest and share with the world that you knew all along Michigan would be back on top.
But writing as if it’s a foregone conclusion from where we sit right now IS patently wrong. Period.
by cwel87 on Jun 24, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You once again twist my words to make them reflect a counter-argument you’ve constructed. I make it clear I BELIEVE that Michigan will be back, so the contingency of my position is already implied. I concede I may imply foregone conclusions in my writing (mea culpa), but that does not change for one moment (which, despite your efforts, you fail to qualify) that your position is predicated on the three year RichRod reign, which is ultimately one outlying three-year sample. Nor does it change the fact that Michigan under Hoke has already begun to grab the in-state talent it has targeted, beating MSU in the process. You’re assuming that I think Hoke will magically turn the Wolverines into contenders in Year One- despite the fact I reject that claim from the outset.
My problem is not with your disagreement, but rather the wanton twisting of my words.
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by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 24, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will blockquote so as to ensure I am not twisting anything.
…but that does not change for one moment (which, despite your efforts, you fail to qualify) that your position is predicated on the three year RichRod reign, which is ultimately one outlying three-year sample. Nor does it change the fact that Michigan under Hoke has already begun to grab the in-state talent it has targeted, beating MSU in the process.
So let me get this straight – you’re condemning me for using a three-year sample size that includes three seasons of football.
And then you yourself use a sample size of five months that has included no football whatsoever to counter my claim that Hoke hasn’t beaten Michigan State (or anyone else for that matter) at anything yet.
I’m sure I just ‘twisted’ something in the process.
Favorite Buckeye Trick play of recent memory
was the HB toss from [name retracted] to Jordan Hall who brought the defense with him and threw the TD pass to a wide open [name retracted] in the back of the endzone.
Oh, directional Michigan schools, when will you learn?
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I'm feeling a little put off by this article
I know you all work very hard and there is no pay involved, so I definitely appreciate your efforts. You’ve all done great articles and I read your posts almost every day. But it seems like this article is all about MSUs flaws or misdirections to other B1G schools with very little mention to any optimistic expectations.
It starts off bashing a trophy which PSU or MSU doesn’t really want/to talk about. The next section was mostly about how UofM will overshadow MSU in recruiting and eventually on the field. The ‘potato/rice’ dish points out the glaring weaknesses that MSU has with barely any mention of strengths. The main dish is all about Dantonio’s heart condition and whether he should coach much longer. And last, the dessert is describing the best moments people had about other teams.
Once again, I know you all work hard and do this for the enjoyment of readers (like me). But why all the pessimism?
by SpartyFever on Jun 23, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure I agree....
It’s important to realize, I/we put in all the answers we receive to the potluck questions that we receive from OTE writers. Folks have regular jobs and volunteer for this, so sometimes not all of the OTE writers can contribute. This week (as in weeks past), we also opened questions to the SBN Nation team blog (The Only Colors)….last week, we got answers to Nebraska questions, but this week we didn’t (probably because the The Only Colors guys have jobs too).
As to spectific questions, first we always start off with something fun in the appetizer, and the Land Grant Trophy is fodder for some fun. To ignore it would be to ignore one of the more amusing/grotesque aspects of MSU’s recent history.
Second, the recruiting question: In the question itself is where I normally present my viewpoint, while then opening up the floor to debate from the other OTE writers. On that quesiton, my view is that MSU WILL benefit from the turmoil/NCAA clouds gathering around Ohio State, much as they did from RichRod’s failed tenure at Michigan. I mean, already Dantonio looks like a better bet if I’m a recruit in Ohio that Frickel (in my opinion)….that Graham and Ricardo disagreed just shows that we have a bunch of different viewpoints here.
Third, on the potato/rice — well, that’s all on me. No one else answered the question, so I was forced to both ask and answer it. I think, though, the question fairly discusses the strengths of MSU (particularly in returning skill position talent/DL), while highlighting what I think are causes for concern. If you feel more optimistic….well, that’s why we have the comment section — for you to tell us we’re foolish, and why.
Fourth — Dantonio’s heart condition is, again, newsworthy. As my question makes clear, I don’t think it’s a big deal at all. Ted disagrees….but you can’t talk about MSU 2010 (and/or going forward) without acknowledging that Dantonio missed games last year due to a heart attack.
And finally, the reason I posted the trick play question was, in no small part, due to my admiration for MSU in terms of trick plays. Perhaps I should have linked those videos (though I was disastrous at linking all the other videos), but I’m certainly not ignoring MSU there. In fact, almost ALL of the dessert questions are a “here’s something about the team of the week…tell us about your team in the same respect” questions — see last week’s Nebraska-Runza’s question (which got answers about Northwestern-Al’s Deli, Penn State sandwiches, etc.)
So you're saying
Nebraska writers don’t work? :)
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
No....
…they work. But you can only farm during daylight hours….and/or there’s a lot of dead time to post on blogs when you’re working at Runza’s, or the gas station, or you’re related to Warren Buffett.
by Chadnudj on Jun 23, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
damnit
I’d rec you for this insulting and false, yet funny jab at us. But I can’t from this phone..
by Fake Pelini on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Runza's FTW
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It would help if there was a full-time Sparty writer on this site
I think the fact that pretty much every other B1G school other than MSU has a representative on this blog makes it a bit harder for State fans to have much to say here. Not that there’s anything to be done with that, I’m sure you guys have tried to recruit some MSU guys. It just seems like most of the chatter on here tends to be aboit UM, OSU, Iowa or Northwestern.
There is one
Pete Rossman is a writer over at The Only Colors. He just doesn’t seem to write as many articles here.
It seems like
That was of recent vintage. I’ve been following this blow for a while and have always enjoyed it but there hardly ever used to be anything about MSU on here. Maybe that will change now this season with him here.
I've mentioned this before...
No “staff” writer from MSU, Purwho, Indy or Illinois…probably someone from UN-L will be included soon.
It may have something to do with the fact that this blog seems to have started out as a lawyers blog for B1G fans. MSU law doesn’t have a very good reputation (yet) unforntunately. I’m not even aware if any of the others (IU, ILL, PU) have law schools. I think that that “requirement” (J.D) may have been relaxed. I’m sure their are intelligent and articulate fans/alums out there from the lost schools who would be willing to write here, but this has always struck me as an OSU/UM/NU blog with a lot of Iowa and Wisconsin flavor.
I can't speak for the site's founders...
….but I can say that I think we’re open for any regular commenter who is a Michigan State fan (or Nebraska fan…or Illini fan…or Purdue fan….or Indiana fan) that wants to regularly contribute to volunteer to join the site.
And the J.D. requirement has been relaxed (although we retched attorneys still are the majority of the regular contributors, I think)
If it's a pun I salute you
but “wretched” means depraved or craven. “Retched” refers to the results of nausea.
I guess it works either way.
Quick question
Of all the pictures of the Land Grant trophy, you had to choose the one with John L in it? Or was that to make the trophy look more ugly?
/griefatJohnLera
No
That was actually a jibe at the picture to lighten up my last post a little bit. I guess my sarcasm didn’t quite jump out of the post.
/turnsupsarcasmknob
by SpartyFever on Jun 23, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
WE COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BALL GAME WITH THAT FIELD GOAL!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 23, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The Land Grant trophy deserves no eulogy...
…but rather should have been used as the weight to sink bin Laden’s corpse at sea.
Kill, Bubba, Kill!
There's enough wood on there...
I bet it’d float. Send it to Northwestern, they’ll lake it for you on the way to the Mazerati dealership
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
by Marshmoose on Jun 23, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So if it floats...it's made of wood...and therefore
a witch?
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
by Ted Glover on Jun 23, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's so ugly it spawns witches.
Here at the Minnesota Trophy Donation Society, it’s well documented that an ancient, sacred, secret code for spawning B1G chaos is inscribed on the Land Grant Trophy, which has clearly been unleashed. Lore states that listed around the surround of the trophy is a list of the ingredients, including one Tooth of Nitanny Lion, one Shoe of Running Man and a Montgomery Wards Salesman of the Year award.
As evident by recent events in the B1G, JoPa must have cracked the code while recovering from a hip replacement in 2008 and 2009. Only one with such focus and first-hand knowledge of the B1G Ancients could have deciphered the code.
These are dark times, my friends. According to The Tomes, the only way to lift this curse is for everybody to recant the following phrase:
Who Hates Iowa.
We Hate Iowa.
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Apologies for the large pic...

Kill, Bubba, Kill!
by Spartan D on Jun 23, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe...
…the reason MSU hasn’t totally broken through in the B1G is because they have failed to bring Jim Delaney a shrubbery. One that looks nice and is not too expensive.
Agreed, but for the record
WE FINALLY GOT BACK THE LAND GRANT FROM THOSE GODLESS COMMUNIST HEATHEN BASTARDS AND BROUGHT IT HOME TO WHERE IT BELONGS! WHOOOOO!
And in East Lansing it will remain for the next two years (we do not play PSU these next two seasons).
It may be an ugly baby… but damn it it’s my ugly baby so it’s beautiful. There have been far too many Penn State beat downs of MSU for Spartans not to cherish possession of it simply for what the possession means.
But if it died perchance in a fire, we would not cry about having to replace it (wink, wink… no I am not an advocate of arson).
The sideline is always greener at MSU.
Actually. For the first time in quite a while we possess all our rivalry trophies.
Now the trick is to hold them.
The Land Grant is bad. Like, really bad.
The Cy-Hawk is awful too. Coolest non-B1G trophy? Fremont Cannon. Awesome.
You cant have an awful trophy party without me fellas

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
A PLATYPUS IS NOT CUTE!
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
By the way
I searched on Google images for “Dead Michigan Wolverine”, and a picture of RichRod came up.
No joke.
by SpartyFever on Jun 23, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
HA!
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
HAHA!
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by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 23, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think MSU is cleaning up on recruiting
and if OSU gets the hammer, I think they’ll benefit as much as Michigan, if not more. They’ve beaten them three years in a row, and if Hoke struggles MSU could get the upper hand for at least 4 or 5 years, if not longer.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Onaje Miller - RB.
He is a solid recruit, and sad to see he decommitted, but RB is one of our deeper positions for the next couple years (Baker (JR), Bell (SO), Caper (JR), Nick Hill(FR)), so we can absorb this defection.
Kill, Bubba, Kill!
As an Iowa fan
I have no idea what it means to be “deep” at RB. But I do know it is never wise to taunt the Ancient Ones in this manner, lest AMSRBHG unleash His fury upon you for your insolence.
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by HoyaGoon on Jun 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This could be a watershed year for MSU
I think the results on the field this season will have a distinctly higher affect on recruiting with particular emphasis on the OSU and Michigan games. I believe a victory for MSU in either of those games will enable State to woo at least one recruit who traditionally would not seriously consider MSU if offers from OSU and/or Michigan were on the table.
Se’von Pittman is one such example, but more are at stake in the wait and see crowd who will not commit until after taking their official campus visits in the fall.
Brady Hoke is frankly a phenomenal recruiter… he recruited Tom Brady (and you know he tells every recruit about that one) and Mattison coached Ray Lewis (yawn… but seriously, you can’t deny that could perk up some ears with young men with NFL dreams). He talks the talk great and has a great recruiting class to show for it. MSU offered more than half of their commits so far. If Hoke backs it up with a victory in East Lansing… I fear for the progress we made in the glorious Rich Rod era.
If OSU continues its conference dominance despite all the turmoil… it will be a small bump in the road. Sure a few recruits may go elsewhere this year… a few (we hope we get them), it will not be long ‘ere it’s back to a proverbial no chance for MSU on a recruit if the mighty buckeyes come calling.
Conversely, victories for MSU over Michigan and Ohio State this year could really make the difference to a recruit considering whether MSU has really risen to the level of the big two. (Incidentally, thank you for sinking to our level.)
The sideline is always greener at MSU.
That first paragraph is a quote from the original article
Blockquote fail. My apologies.
The sideline is always greener at MSU.
You're right about Hoke
But I don’t think Hoke is as great of a recruiter as people think he is. He just has the goods to sell. 1) Early playing time, 2) instant impact, 3) Michigan traditions, 4) The ‘help us put UofM back on top’, etc etc
Don’t forget, recruiting season ends in February. There is a lot of time (and football games!) between now and then. Although they have a new coach, UofM’s decommit percentage has been quite high. Over Dantonio’s tenure, he has only had now two decommits (with Miller).
MSU will get theirs (especially recently…new WR commitment). I have faith in Dantonio and co to get the players that they want and coach them to their full potential
by SpartyFever on Jun 23, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't get the hype over Hoke
His career record as a head coach is 47-50. His offensive scheme is vanilla. The guy had a couple great seasons at a lower level, but then again so did Greg Schiano. Now, his D coordinator is amazing and he’s exploiting the unique position he’s in. He gets to pitch early PT on the recruiting trail at a helmet school. So far he is getting the guys he wants.
But what happens if he can’t win in years 1 and 2 when he’s saddled with guys recruited for a drastically different scheme? Will the faithful be patient? Or will Michigan start to really resemble Notre Dame?
But he took a big risk ditching RichRod’s spread. That was the #1 offense in the Big Ten last year, and it is built around Denard Robinson’s strengths. If he can adjust his scheme to make Denard similarly successful, then I will believe he’s turning things around in Ann Arbor.
Otherwise, this fall Michigan might be so much worse on offense that any gains on defense and special teams still equate to a net loss in the W column.
Sorry Mich State
didn’t mean to drone on about Michigan during State week. I’ve already said I think Sparty is the favorite to win the Big Ten West this season. If the O-line is any good at all that offense is gonna be nasty.
State had the same question marks on offensive line last season
I wonder how that went.
In fact, there’s almost always turnover on the offensive line. It’d be a shock if, one year, more than three of the five lineman returned.
This is hardly unique to MSU
The dessert course always features other schools in relation to something about the school of the week.
For MSU, we took trick plays (based on MSU’s use of them).
For Nebraska, we did sandwiches (based on their famous Runzas).
For Penn State, we did other rivalries we’d like to see (based on the renewal of Pitt-PSU)
For Michigan, we hypothesized about other scandals we’d like to see (due to Michigan’s schadenfreude glee over the OSU problems)
For Purdue, we suggested new mascots (based on Purdue’s revamping of Purdue Pete).
For Northwestern, we did ugliest uniforms (based on NU’s ugly purple people eater uniforms)
For Minnesota, we did coaches that look like mascots (based on, well, Jerry Kill’s resemblance to Goldy the Gopher)
The only exceptions? Indiana (basically because it was first, and we hadn’t settled quite on the form yet) and Illinois (I didn’t write it, but Bama Hawkeye asked a great question on picking a more politically correct mascot for the Illini).
Oh, and Iowa....
….was a discussion of who was hotter, Vandenberg’s mom, Ali Larter in the whip cream bikini in Varsity Blues, or the teacher in Varsity Blues)
2 is not enough! Need more jNWho videos
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 23, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Good recruiting news
MSU got a commit from LB Jamal Lyles about a half hour ago.
Would link it but it’s on the Spartanmag.com website. I’m sure links will soon follow
You can see the post on Spartanmag.com's front page
But you have to pay to read it.
Woo Hoo!
There’s a nice little article on scout.com:
http://recruiting.scout.com/2/1081909.html
He chose MSU over offers from Iowa, Illinois, and Stanford among others.
The sideline is always greener at MSU.
More recruiting news!
MSU just picked up Josiah Price. Headline on Spartanmag.com
3 commits in 2 days!
By the way, sorry OTE readers for random recruiting news…
It's Sparty Week
Perfect time and place. What, you’d rather talk about OSU and the potential sanctions?
I kid, I kid.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Here's another take on the recruiting angle:
Under JBLWS when a recruit committed you would see that he “chose” MSU over Western Michigan, Indiana, Missouri, Rutgers etc.
Under Dantonio we have seen recruits choose MSU over UM, OSU, Pitt, ND etc. You can not hope to be a B1G (or National) power by out recruiting MAC schools and major conference bottom feeders. Youy have to take recruits from the big boys to sit at the table. Under Dantonio, we have done that. It remains to be seen if we can continue to do that.
Actually...
…this is a great point in and of itself. Do you look at star rankings, or the “schools chosen over” list?
One thing that has me excited as a Northwestern fan is the increasing amount of times (although certainly not dominant by any stretch) that our recruits select us over other good/solid BCS programs (such as Michigan State, Stanford, BC, Notre Dame, etc.)….sure beats the days when our recruits’ only other offers were from a handful of MAC schools…
Definitely the 'schools chosen over'
If I see someone with a 2 or 3 star and they have offers from Alabama, OSU, Wisky, Arkansas, Florida, Stanford, etc etc, I’m going to go with their opinion over the reviewers.
Look at 2-star Le`Veon Bell. He sure didn’t look like a 2-star when he shucked off Te’o’s head-on collision to gain 14+ yards against Notre Dame last year.
Number one factor for me now
Is whether we have offered. There was a pretty good post over on TOC which looked at all Big Ten selections in the Dantonio era. Being at MSU was approximately equivalent to being underrated by one “star” as a recruit.
Dantonio has also been identified by other coaches as a pretty good scout for talent. If his health issues ever caused him to take a less stressful job, I would expect it to be recruiting/scouting related.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
Wow, never looked at it from the 'chosen over' angle
But I might, because I think the ‘star’ rankings are so arbitrary they are almost useless, except for a very few recruits.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Totally a potential article idea....
Some others out there have discussed this, but why trust Rivals/Scout (particularly when there is a strong suggestion the “stars” over there have more to do with subscribers to the site from the school than the talent of the recruit), when you could trust the caliber of the programs that have offered a kid? Like I said, I love looking at where Northwestern recruits got offers from….if we’re beating MSU/Michigan/That School in South Bend/Ohio State for a recruit (it does happen on occasion), it’s a sign in my opinion that Northwestern is getting and going after the right kids….
Nice angle, but the problem with that is
…you know what, this might be a great article. I’ll email you.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Greg Jones was a 3 star recruit.
Kirk Cousins was a 2 star recruit.
Recruiting services are useless at evaluating players unless they’re mega-talented even to the untrained eye.
I look at the stars as a bonus.
If a 4-star is only getting offers from the Mac’s and other bottom feeders than I don’t put much weight in the “star”.
I look at who recruited them as a better evaluator for two reasons: 1) We take a player who the other team wanted (Now of course schools put different weight in to how much they want an offered player) and 2) I put more weight in the evaluation skills of schools that are successful. It may be a catch-22, but schools that have been successful generally recruit and retain better players.
I have “friend of a friend” on the staff, so take this for what it’s worth.
Dantonio and staff recruit a certain “type” of player, one that responds to coaching and shows certain personality traits that they like. I am told that they have said “no thanks” to a couple very highly ranked players who were very interested in MSU, but the players didn’t fit the coaches’ ideals. The kids were great players, had no academic or legal issues, but Dantonio didn’t think the kids would respond well to coaching.
Like I said, this is second hand, but I personally trust the source.
Kill, Bubba, Kill!
I find that very believeable
for many staffs, not just MSU. Some kids just aren’t worth the headaches, and it’s better not having him in the program in the long run. And I would bet that sentiment isn’t unique to MSU.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
You know there's a problem with a site
…when the resident ‘Gopher’ blogger uses an example from a Viking’s game on a Big Ten blog!
And it’s not like the Big Ten as a whole, or the Gophers in a particular are devoid of mind blowing trick/luck plays. I can think of a few Gopher highlights offhand that are equally bizarre. Lame Ted. Lame.
The criteria was trick plays from my favorite team or teams
I don’t dislike the Gophers, but my favorite teams are OSU and the Vikings.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Fair enough
I’m not a big NFL guy, but I see where you were going with that highlight.
Inferiority Complex much?
The only bizarre Goopher highlights I can recall are their victorious ones over Iowa at their Triple A Stadium in Dumpytown last fall.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 23, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Oy ve.
Didn’t we already have a conversation about Iowa fans and inferiority complexes?
And calling it a Triple A stadium… Get a life. Post a picture of Ryan Field with empty seats—at least that gives people a chuckle.
2 birds. One post.
Iowa fans don’t suffer from a inferiority complex. Y’all suffer from hating on a great college football program that develops pros, graduates players & wins bowl games. Check the numbers that people can measure, not the assumed superiority of fan bases who have nothing more to cluck about aside larger regional population base and playing spoiler of the season for Iowa Football. Have you been to TCF Bank Stadium? It makes NASCAR look underground. Who is Ryan Field?
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
But Minnesota won national titles!!! They’re a sleeping football giant!!! Ok, I’m done laughing.
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by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 24, 2011 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
SIX NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
/Nebraska’d
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
by Marshmoose on Jun 24, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great?
Iowa is 9th in victories all time in the B1G. Wow that is great…lol Winning % is barely over .500. Mediocre is being generous.
Ahhh. Of Course. Cheat to Win OSU chimes in.
Thanks for the perspective. If only Iowa had the tradition and legacy of OSU. But Iowa coaches don’t punch opposing players or resign in disgrace on Memorial Day. Defining great is relative. Integrity is not.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Field?
I figured you’d know… You and your fans were there for about 58:30 of a football game there last year, and suddenly got up en masse and filed out. If only I could remember why…
As for TCF? Yes, I’ve been there. I found absolutely nothing wrong with it—I mean, there weren’t any morons screwing in a bathroom, but then again, it was a Minnesota-Northwestern game, and I expect better from the 15 fans combined. (See what I did there? That was for you.)
As for the inferiority complex? BNB, it really seems like you do, looking at things you say. “Ohio State cheated to win, so Iowa’s on par with them!” … Always wanting to be included with our scarlet overlords.
by MNWildcat on Jun 24, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Recent losses
I saw where you all lost a few players recently. Is this due to a difference in culture with the new coach? Kill has a heckuva track record of success, where Brewster seemd out of his element. Gray going to be the starting qb?
From what I've heard
since I’ve been back in MSP (I’m a Northwestern student), it’s full steam ahead with “Q”, as some are calling him. Erik T, marshmoose, and any of the Gophers bloggers here would know better than I would. I’m still living in the glory days salad days 7-6 mediocrity days of Bryan Cupito.
And yeah, it’s definitely a difference in culture. From country club to boot camp, I’ve been told by my friends at the U of M who know a few football players.
I think he will do well. I have always been a Glen Mason fan, but never had him coach my team (OSU), so maybe i shouldn’t. I remember Gray being heavily recruited and i perscribe to the theory that that many people couldn’t be wrong. Should be an interesting year.
by biggy84 on Jun 24, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No apology necessary.
Definitely a Minnesota fan (can’t turn my back on 18 years in the Dome) and still living here in summers, just don’t know as much about them as I used to.
If you want any details
I’d be happy to provide them. I almost went to Northwestern, so I feel an affinity for ’Cats fans. Plus Fitz is hilarious and awesome.
Fitzgerald
Is a great representative of the B1G. My sister went to school with Ty Sutton and said he was a great guy. Any thoughts on Glen Mason?
Glen Mason...
was the right coach for the time he was hired. Wacker had pushed the Gophers deep in the Big Ten cellar, and the MetroDome almost guaranteed poor recruiting.
Mason had a brilliant offensive scheme. He recruited undersized, but freakishly athletic O-linemen that no other BCS schools wanted due to their lack of size. His run game was a brilliant combo of outside runs featuring O-linemen pulling and making great 1 on 1 blocks in space, and misdirection inside runs where the linemen either cut/blocked down or got downfied to make blocks in space.
It’s hard to find good footage, but if you go to the 2:31 mark you get a mediocre example of what I’m talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_aN0qg—g
He also attracted phenomenal TE and RB talent with a combo of highly rated guys and diamonds in the rough.
But he never recruited enough good Defensive talent. That meant that no lead was ever safe. In 2003 the Gophers were up 21 points at home against Michiga—-12 minutes from a victory that would have guaranteed both a Big Ten crown and Rose Bowl berth. Michigan suddenly realized the Gophers had Mac level LBs and moved the ball almost exclusively on swing passes to Chris Perry to come back and win. Mason’s LBs could never tackle good skill players in space.
Mason was never a very active recruiter due to his arrogant belief in his offensive system. Mason openly lobbied for the job at his alma mater Ohio State, and didn’t get it. After that he stopped recruiting entirely.
Mason was a good program stabilizer. He took the Gophers to 7 bowls in 10 years and his best team had the Gophers within a quarter of the Rose Bowl. But he didn’t get to the Rose Bowl, and he didn’t win enough of the real rivalry games (Jug, Floyd, Axe).
Mason is the guy who steadies the ship, but he’s not the guy who takes a program to the next level. And now that the Gophers have drastically upgraded the stadium, practice field, weight room, etc. the expectations for the program are higher.
As a commentator I’d say he’s decent. Although his smile has always been a bit creepy/
Great info!
He is back here in Columbus doing radio work. I was one of the guys that was hoping he got the job that Tress got. Of course all i had to go on was the little bit that the media said about him. His name inevitably is always mentioned in regards to the OC position here. It seemed as though he always had good teams in Minn and i was wondering the real story. It was my perception that blowing the huge lead was the nail in the coffin. Thank you very much for taking the time to inform me.
Easily
one of the most accurate descriptions of the Mason years I’ve read.
I especially like your time and commitment to the O-line. A lot of people I would discuss the Mason-era Gophers with would get caught up in the Maroney-Barber days of “Holy shit that running back’s good!”… My dad would take me to those games and make me get a seat in the 2nd deck above the end zone so he could watch the O-linemen pull and just go f people up. It was great.
Mason really, REALLY benefitted
from Kirk Ferentz/late Hayden Fry. He did get that last win over Iowa in 2006 (or maybe Drew Tate gave it away…hmmm…).
Mason’s teams beat Wisconsin twice (both times in Minneapolis; Mason’s teams seemingly always managed to get their asses handed to them in Madison) and Michigan for the first time since 1986. Considering where Wacker was taking the program (beyond mediocre), you’re absolutely right that Mason righted things.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 27, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea. Iowa loses to jNW. Dammit.
TCF Stadium has been monetized more elaborately than any other B1G venue.
"Ohio State cheated to win, so Iowa’s on par with them!" – this boggles my cornfed mind. See my above my reply to biggy
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I oversimplified, sorry.
It seems to me as if some (emphasis here, please) Iowa fans wish to be considered on a level (in terms of talent and legacy) with OSU and the like; the “elite” of the B1G. When told “not so, good sir!” (for such is the language here at OTE), they react by pointing out flaws (tattoos), histories (pre-’95 and birth of football), and so on that clearly indicate that no, damnit, they deserve a place at the head of the table!
But then again, I’m wasting my time on someone who refers to “Hawkeye Envy” in his signature.
No waste of your time.
But admit it feels pretty good, say it outloud again: “Go Hawks”.
Don’t think I’m delusional but will concede that I embrace Iowa Exceptionalism, to a certain extent. I grew up in the Hayden Fry Dr. Tom DAN GABLE era – Iowa was at least competitive with the best.
I understand your point, and I will embrace your assertion that I represent IOWA NATION. Iowa isn’t the most storied athletic department ever but I’ll be damned if the service, legacy and achievements of Nile Kinnick fade away. Google his Heisman acceptance speech. Now. It may help you adjust your Iowa discomfort level.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly thank you.
And believe me, I in no way resent Nile Kinnick and his legacy, or would diminish the accomplishments of the program. I simply believe that Iowa, no matter the breath-holding and foot-stomping some may choose, is not an “elite”.
And I never asserted that you represent Iowa Nation, just as I would never assert (and NU fans are probably grateful) that I don’t represent Northwestern Municipality. (Ir)regardless, those words will never pass my lips. The only time Iowa is mentioned, I was taught growing up in the Twin Cities:
Who hates Iowa?
Please, let the record show that MNWildcat multiple times referenced Iowa and elite.
All day everyday I represent Iowa. 5th generation. It’s not heaven. It’s between MO & MN!
It’s sometimes arduous being a Hawkeye fanatic, even in central Iowa. My state has 4 D1 basketball schools and 2 BCS football schools. It’s mighty difficult to calculate how many native Iowans who have jumped on and rode bandwagons. Damn. Duke, Michigan, Penn State, Florida State, Arizona, North Carolina, who ever else insecure Iowa ‘sport fans’ supported as opposed to Iowa or even ISU/LOL
So. Kinda funny but next time you and your metropolis questions who hates my state know that probably 1/3 of my fellow Iowans do in the sense you evoke.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 25, 2011 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
That got a laugh out of me.
I did reference “Iowa” and “elite”, and threw a “not” in there. Is there spotty reception where you are? :) BNB, you crack me up. How does it feel up on your pedestal? BHGP erecting a memorial in your honor any time soon?
Oh, and
I hope the TCF Stadium being “monetized” was an intentional pun. Because I lawl’d. Or was it lohl’d? What did BHGP decide?
by MNWildcat on Jun 24, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Screw you Ross!!!
its lawl.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Gophers just got a commit from a guy
named Dinero Moss.
The headline writes itself—-‘Dinero in the bank (en el banco)’
Minneapolis/St. Paul is one of the three coolest major cities in the continental United States
So I’d tread carefully before mocking their town, Mr. Iowa City.
by cwel87 on Jun 24, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mr. Rural Iowa, please.
Agreed the Twin Cities are legit. For college football Saturday’s however, not so much.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Apples meet oranges
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes you do
Iowa fans don’t suffer from a inferiority complex. Y’all suffer from hating on a great college football program that develops pros, graduates players & wins bowl games. Check the numbers that people can measure, not the assumed superiority of fan bases who have nothing more to cluck about aside larger regional population base
Great point. I concede.
Such an eloquent arguement has no rebuttal.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 24, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions

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