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B1G 2011 // Keeping the Enemy Close: Michigan Fans Will Never Truly Care About MSU's Football Program

When it was time to write the Michigan State "Keeping the Enemy Close" we could think of only one guy for the job, Maize n Brew Dave from SB Nation's outstanding Michigan Blog, Maize n Brew. Dave's a veteran of these previews, so we figured he'd be up for another round this year. He didn't disappoint. For those of you who offend easily, you should probably be watching the O Network rather than reading this. We asked him to write a rivalry piece, not Kumbaya. Enjoy.

Fan bases tend to attract the types of celebrity supporters they deserve. The Kentucky Wildcats have Ashley Judd. Florida has Erin Andrews. USC has Snoop Dogg. Michigan has Russell Crowe. All are relatively famous and all are fairly representative of their student body.

Michigan State has The Situation.

Real life writes comedy that we only dream of in our deepest REM sleep. What's even better (and much to the chagrin of reasonable Michigan State fans like The Only Colors), is that Michigan State's AD actually sought to PUBLICIZE this. Hey everyone! Chlamydia is a State fan and he'll be in our stands all season! Actually. We knew that a long time ago. Just nice to get some confirmation.

When Graham asked me to do a piece on Michigan State for OTE's MSU Week 2011, he attached a couple of questions to stir my competitive juices. The questions were pretty straight forward:

"[What] emotions are you feeling right now toward MSU? What's your state of mind? What do you foresee in the future? Do you hate State more or less now than three years ago?"

When I read them I kind of chuckled. What emotions am I feeling about them? I dunno. Is indifference an emotion? Is itching an emotion?

Star-divide

To Michigan fans and alumni, Michigan State will always be Michigan State. A perpetual case of jock itch we're forced to deal with once a season, no matter how many times we kill it off with Micatin. Whether or not the Spartans have won three games in a row is immaterial to how Michigan fans view their sister college to the northwest. To us, with a few exceptions, they will always be headband-sporting, white-wifebeater-wearing, spikey-haired, grain-alcohol-guzzling frat boyz with obnoxious, over-served co-eds, who submit things like this in support of their school.


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Mom and Dad must be so proud. Nice Christmas wreath on St. Patrick's Day, jackass.

Turning to football, to a Michigan fan, Michigan State isn't really part of our collective consciousness leading into a normal football season. It's just one of those games we're supposed to win against an over-hyped, poorly coached team led onto the field by someone who was in jail a week before kickoff. It's like playing an SEC team, just without the talent or coaching.

Admittedly, this same group of overachieving underachievers has gotten the best of Michigan the last three years. So, naturally, you'd think that would change our perception.

No. Not even a little bit.

Most Michigan fans would consider Michigan State to be a mosquito bite that needs to be scratched. The last three years have been uncomfortable, as the bites we've received have been in a very public yet personal place, but it's something that with time will heal and everything return to normal. Maybe at worst, Michigan fans would consider it a dog bite on the ass, or a recurring bout of the chicken pox. You get a little scar, things heal, and you either have animal control put the dog down or you get a little calamine lotion for the lumps. Either way you're back to normal pretty quickly. It's not something you're  overly concerned with.

The funniest thing about Michigan State's recent three game winning streak is that people think that it has, in some way, altered the reality of the series. I'll just tell you now, no, no it hasn't. What has changed is Michigan's head coach. Michigan has gone from a coach that had no clue how to recruit the State of Michigan or a Big Ten defense, to a coach that lives and breathes both. The results are what Michigan fans expect them to be and what Michigan State fans silently know in the their little hearts to be the norm, Michigan will always get the best talent in the state of Michigan. Period.

You don't have to take my word for it. You can ask the top players in the state, they're all going to Michigan. And they'll be glad to tell you that. Right now Michigan has 7 in-state commitments to Michigan State's two. For what it's worth, neither of MSU's in-state commits were offered by Michigan. All of Michigan's in-state commits were offered by MSU.

So that brings us to last year and this year. In 2010 Michigan State seemed to capture lightning in a bottle. The Spartans finished 11-2, tied for the Big Ten Crown, behind a veteran offensive line and not having to face Ohio State. The result was getting curb stomped by Alabama to the tune of 42 points in a game that was somehow less competitive than the score actually suggests. And that was with their best team in two decades.

Turning the calendar forward, Michigan State returns most of its potent play makers but has one, slight, glaring problem. It's offensive line. Three new starters. Ask Clemson how well a loaded set of play makers works out if no one can keep their quarterback upright. On defense there's a similar problem. Play maker Greg Jones is gone, as are four of his starting colleagues in the linebacking corps and secondary. While State should be good this year, they won't be 11-2. They also won't win surprise games like Notre Dame or Wisconsin. The schedule also toughens up. Now they get Ohio State every year. Have fun with that.

Finally, this brings us to Michigan. State has won the last three in the series. They actually won last year's match-up in convincing fashion, a fashion so convincing that many perceive it as a turning point in Rodriguez' season. But the second to last word of that sentence is the key. Rodriguez. A man who hired Greg Robinson to be his defensive coordinator and then made him install a defensive system he didn't know how to run.

In contrast to last season, Michigan returns 17 starters on both sides of the ball and doesn't return the defense adverse Rodriguez. They have a veteran offensive line and 9 returning starters on defense. As an added bonus, Michigan infuses this veteran defense with arguably the best defensive coordinator in the Big Ten, or the NFL for that matter, in Greg Mattison. Oh. And Obi Ezeh and Jonas Mouton won't be there to miss tackles anymore either.

Things will return to normal this year. The itch will be scratched and things will return to their normal place in the universe. Michigan will hang out with movie stars and the powerful men and women of the world. And Michigan State will hang with The Situation.

How fitting.

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Sparty has made big steps toward being like, an Iowa-level football program. Can they build and sustain this success or will MSU slink back into constant mediocrity?
MSU is the #1 "up and coming" Big Ten football program. 9-10 win seasons are here to stay.
164 votes
MSU has hit its ceiling, win-wise, and their recent recruiting troubles are the first step back to a consistent diet of 7 win seasons.
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Nice indifference post, we can tell you don't care at all

cough over the top ahem

A couple factual corrections though:
Se’von Pittman WAS offered by Michigan… I know you guys will say you didn’t want him ’cause well we did get him, but no erasing the fact he had an offer.

We get Ohio State this year and next, but not every year… they are in the other division and not our protected crossover ala Michigan.

And one personal objection… for those who watched Wisconsin vs MSU… not much luck involved. Wisconsin won the turnover battle by 3… MSU dominated… well everything else and still won by 10 points. An inferior team will never win giving up three turnovers.

The sideline is always greener at MSU.

by Green 96 on Jun 24, 2011 6:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Se’von Pittman is from Ohio. He said in-state recruits. Nice incorrect factual correction.

And do you really want to brag about the fact that you don’t have to play OSU every year?

by michaelscarn313 on Jun 24, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, ALL top two players in the state?

Impressive brah!

Be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Semicorrect on Jun 24, 2011 6:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey

Aren’t we really all here to talk about Nebraska?

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 6:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Also

We are going to beat you this year, again.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 7:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Quality stuff

But I was hoping you would elaborate more on the title of the article…which I feel is true.

by mikjones24 on Jun 24, 2011 7:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Also recruiting troubles?

We just got three commits in the last day

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 7:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Remember the days

When MSU would be excited for winning the ‘in-state’ battle, and UofM fans would blow it off saying ‘In-state recruiting is nothing. We’re recruiting kids from around the country’.

My how the shoe has changed feet.

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most of those people were on the RCMB and Detroit media

Dantonio and most fans have never really worried about it.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just from the tone of your article

it is obvious that you do care about MSU. Why make so many sly comments about a team that you don’t care about? Why write this entire post about it?

From someone who lives in the state of Michigan, and has to work with graduates of UofM on a consistent basis, I’ve never seen a bigger group of people with the same neurotic tendencies. It is some tongue-in-cheek plague spreading in Ann Arbor. Your emotions swing harder and faster than Barry Bonds on steroids. That’s how you go from the grand dreams of Chip Kelly, Les Miles, etc etc to your (at best) fourth choice. After one speech about the supposed ‘Michigan Man’, you get posts like these

All in the matter of a few days!

No other school has your tendencies. You’re the first to shove good news in the face of others, yet when something doesn’t go your way, it is blown off like it was no big deal.
See: Pittman (we backed off on him, he had bad grades, he wasn’t good for Michigan), recruiting this year vs. last year (winning in-state recruits this year is much more significant than last year), MSU winning 3 in a row (UofM so excited for a win that Hart declares MSU as the ‘little brother’, yet the past 3 seasons don’t count for various reasons). The list goes on, and on, and on, and on….

This has to be some sort of condition. And everyone knows it (take a nice look at the picture)

Here’s what MSU has learned after the past dominance of UofM. If you win, you win. You celebrate and look toward the next challenge. If you lose, you lose. You see what you did wrong, and improve upon it. But casting it off? 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct…

It is supposed to be a fun rivalry. Is it part of the ‘Michigan Man’ to be mad all the time?

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 7:36 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

oh my

"I'm driven by greatness" - Derrick Williams

by HookMania on Jun 24, 2011 7:41 AM CDT reply actions  

5 National Championships

Whoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 24, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

This is the usual crap that spews out of UofM mouths.

After a while you get good at ignoring it.

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I feel vindicated

I was accepted by UofM as well as a host of other big ten schools I am constantly reminded by the classless ravings of U of M fans that I made the right choice. Despite the number of intelligent and amicable people that attend the school and I respect, admire, and am proud to call my friends it’s fairly easy to see that the school churns out jackasses at an alarming rate and quite frankly I would be remiss to ever be associated with anything but their opposition.

by anotherspartan on Jun 24, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait
To Michigan fans and alumni, Michigan State will always be Michigan State. A perpetual case of jock itch we’re forced to deal with once a season, no matter how many times we kill it off with Micatin

So let me get this straight….Michigan State has been playing with Michigan’s junk?

by Chadnudj on Jun 24, 2011 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Also, this is obligatory
Ask Clemson how well a loaded set of play makers works out if no one can keep their quarterback upright

Fuck Clemson.

by Chadnudj on Jun 24, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

After reading this article,

the first thing I did was to search the posts for “Clemson” to see if anyone had made this comment.

In the deed, the glory.
Corn Nation!

by Aaron Musfeldt on Jun 24, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok ill say it

i think everyone here needs proof dave actually went to michigan, and not hillsdale or something. this reeks of wal-mart.

by tbone521 on Jun 24, 2011 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Real Hillsdale grad says...

I probabaly know him. But, you know, it’s just really hard for us Chargers to get worked up about Saginaw Valley State, you know? We need an outlet, damnit!

by jhitts08 on Jun 24, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

That the best you got?

No “Cow college…hurrrr?”
No “Inferior academics?” /adjusts monocle
No all-time record or Rose Bowl mentions?
I’d expect more from a Michigan Man®.
Can we get a write up from an Indiana fan, since their our new Most Hated Rival?

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 24, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

We may study cows in East Lansing

but in Ann Arbor they date them.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

big girls

need love to

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by Graham Filler on Jun 24, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

but they gotta pay

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

That School in South Bend has girls? Coulda fooled me….

by Chadnudj on Jun 24, 2011 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing more disappointing

than an unattractive girl in a schoolgirl outfit. I’m assuming they still wear Catholic school uniforms – right?

by OctaShields on Jun 24, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

no

thats the girls from st. marys tha go to nd games and say they go to nd.

by tbone521 on Jun 24, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

found myself in the UM Library last year

not bad times at all, lady wise…

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by Graham Filler on Jun 24, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the two years I spent at U of M...

…my head was on a swivel plenty of times.

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jun 24, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

MIchigan girls are...

there’s no nice way of saying it: more intelligent than any person, male or female, who went to MSU.

by patrickdolan on Jun 24, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Patently false.

But thanks for the attempt!

by cwel87 on Jun 24, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Need love to...what?

Ohhhhh. You mean need love as well.

by MSULaxer27 on Jun 24, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

This string has the potential for some high quality hate

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by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing but truth here

The average UM coed looks like an after picture from faces of meth.

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by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

I hate Michigan as much as the next guy (even more- I live in Ann Arbor). The girls there are anything but unattractive.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 24, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where are you hiding them?

Starbucks? The Urban Outfitters that used to be a cinema? Potbellys?

I’ve looked there…no dice.

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let him be...

He’s from Wisconsin…

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Jun 24, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha!

I’m a Spartan living in Madison. I used to think Uof M girls were ugly. Then I moved to Madison! Standards have been forced to drop, just out of pure logistics. A 5 is a 7, a 6 is an 8, and a MSU 7 doesn’t even exisit.

by StickyGreen on Jun 24, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's because no one from MSU can count to 7

And since the MSU fans seem to believe that “anecdote” equals “data”, I can assert from personal experience that MSU really ought not be so loud in denigrating the quality of any other school’s women. Look, I went to a private, elite Catholic school, I know from unattractive coeds; my one trip to East Lansing didn’t exactly make me rethink my decision. Visiting U of Kentucky, on the other hand…

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 25, 2011 7:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't know about MSU girls..

But i can vouch for the UK women…. Very nice scenery in Lex.

by biggy84 on Jun 25, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as hate pieces go

This is pretty good. Because we’re on our second year of this Big Ten 20_ _ , it’s hard to manufacture hate over and over without saying the same thing. We’ve been very fortunate this year that this Friday piece hasn’t gotten boring. Nebraska is new so we got a 1000 comment Kansas State piece. Iowa lost to NW again, meaning we got another HFMR Pat Fitz piece, brilliant per usual. And how insulting is it to say “we don’t even care about ebbs and flows in play, we’ll always not give a damn about your program”? It’s insulting.

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by Graham Filler on Jun 24, 2011 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, at least they have something to look forward to

You know, always commenting on how they don’t give a damn about MSU’s program?

At least Denard won the Heisman of June, and they’re the frontrunners for the National Champions of July.

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Says the fan of a team that has won 10 games in a season once this decade

And now claim to be one of the conference “elite”

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 25, 2011 8:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd just like to remind you UofM folks

Of a post by Hilary Lee earlier this month.

I see quite a bit of red in that Michigan column…

Stings a bit knowing everyone hates and/or doesn’t care for you, doesn’t it?

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, even after three down years and not being able to beat anyone not in Indiana,

we’ve kicked the rest of the B1G’s ass so thoroughly over the years that they are still upset about it.

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jun 24, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yea?

Is that how you perceived it?

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, the only ones who care about what happened

in the 20’s is you guys.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

ALL TIME RECORD! ALL TIME RECORD!

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jun 24, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome

Nebraska allegedly is.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think I've heard that too.

Something about 5 of something. Can’t really remember though. It’s been a while since I heard it.

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jun 24, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know Nebraska's making a difference

When fans of opposing schools can come together to make fun of them.

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Big 11 vs. 1 conference!

That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave

by jeepnut on Jun 24, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about the "Sit Down and Shut Up Until You've Earned It" conference?

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Jun 24, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do Gopher fans get along so well with Sparty?

Cause you hate Michigan even more than we do. And that’s something we appreciate.

by AhliBobwa on Jun 24, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also note that there are no recent pictures of Michigan vs MSU in the original post

Might have something to do with this:

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 8:49 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

This is an exercise in futility.

Writing 1,000 words about an arch-rival? Trying to find 26 different synonyms for ‘mosquito bite’? Legitimizing why your team can’t win anymore – and why it’ll suddenly turn on its head this year?

You clearly care. And the fact you try not to makes it even more glorious for State fans.

Thanks!

by cwel87 on Jun 24, 2011 8:55 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hilarious as always Dave

Are you going to do your joint podcast with Patrick again this year?

by WearShades on Jun 24, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

How does it feel knowing Mike "The Situation" is your most famous Alumnus, sir?

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by BuckeyeSki on Jun 24, 2011 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Well played Seer

but if you really wanna help Hansen catch a predator, do him a favor and point him towards State College PA

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 24, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You sir have won the internets

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 25, 2011 8:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The situation is NOT an alum.

Let’s get that straight right off the bat.
He just regretfully decided he was gonna be a Spartan fan this year.
I guess our recent success has created a bandwagon.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 24, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know bandwagon fans are douches

but NEXT LEVEL DOUCHE ATTRACTION MANEUVER.

/remembers Tommie Lee as a Nebraska “student”

by Albino Tornado on Jun 24, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He just likes the Green color

It matches some pair of shoes and a hat he has so he thought he would buy a shirt and rock the team accompanying the shirt

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Jun 24, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if Michigan fans claim not to care...

…their coach cares enough about the MSU game to install a countdown clock in your practice facility.

Kill, Bubba, Kill!

by Spartan D on Jun 24, 2011 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Except our clock has been widely misreported

Our clock is to the next game, not until the next Michigan game.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude

by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't referring to the clock counting to UM

I was just generally talking about the use of a countdown clock.

by cwel87 on Jun 24, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did MSU

ever lose to Appalachian St at home?

by biggy84 on Jun 24, 2011 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

You better wreck yoself before u rec yoself

by Fake Pelini on Jun 24, 2011 11:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you want to know the truth:

I really don’t care if Michigan “cares” about us.

We’re scheduled to play them once a year in football, usually twice a year in basketball, and at least 4 times a year in hockey. I want to win those games. Other than that, I really don’t think about them.

by MSULaxer27 on Jun 24, 2011 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

So much intense not-caring

It boggles the mind.

It’s difficult to cultivate that much not-caring. Lots of training in zen arts.

by njd on Jun 24, 2011 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't say we dont care

We do care. Its our biggest in-state rival and I enjoy going up to EL whenever the game is played there. But when you have annual games against two nationally relevant programs like OSU and Notre Dame, regardless (can I say irregardless in honor of the late RichRod?) of Notre Dame’s terrible play on the field, you just fall to our third most hated rival. You would be fourth except we just can’t get Penn State fans to hate us, which actually annoys me to be honest. I think Dave’s post is great, indifference is more insulting than hate. You’d think a 9 game losing streak would have done it, but they seem to hate OSU more despite having an almost even all-time record. Anyway my point is you consider us your biggest rival which is sad. I have enough state friends to know this is true. You can pretend Notre Dame is your biggest rival but that would be sad as well because you’re probably third to them too after USC and Michigan.

"For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue!

by ForzaBLUE on Jun 24, 2011 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Why is it sad to see UofM as our biggest rival?

1) You guys were dominant in the Big Ten for a long time
2) Both schools are in the state of Michigan, and therefore compete for a lot of similar resources

I think both points are pretty strong arguments for the rivalry being justified. You consider Notre Dame your second biggest rival? I know a lot of UofM fans, and they don’t get nearly as fired up over ND than MSU.
And why do you want PSU to hate you? I’m starting to wonder if UofM only feels comfortable when everyone hates them…

by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You and ND keep telling yourself that ND is still "nationally relevant" maybe someday it will be so.

If you mean ND has a loudmouthed, obnoxious and uneducated fanbase spread around the country, then yes, I guess you could call them nationally relevant. Much like an outbreak of chlamydia is nationally relevant.

Yes. We get it. As you and they have told us ad infinitum we are not your rivals. Even if we have been ND’s opponent in sports more times than any other school (all sports, not just football and it’s not even close) we’re not their rival. We play you every year in every sport. Even if the B1G (see baseball this year) decides we shouldn’t.

History and other quirks have cosigned it so that the teams we play most often in football do not deign to consider us rivals. So be it. Since we resumed our series with ND in 1995 we are 10-6 against them including a streak of 6 in a row as well as beating them 6 times straight on their home turf. We’ve won the last 3 against Um.

If we continue to beat you (both) maybe you’ll come around. If not we’ll just continue to beat you. I can live with that.

I’d rather beat you than be your “rival” anyway.

by MSULaxer27 on Jun 24, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's make a deal

You continue to ‘not care that much’ about Michigan State, and Michigan State continues to beat you at football.

Sounds fair to me, since it doesn’t ‘matter’ to you that much.

by cwel87 on Jun 24, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

!HA!

He called Notre Dame “nationally relevant”

"If you need a rah-rah speech at halftime, you’re playing the wrong sport." - Pat Angerer

by Flakbait on Jun 24, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I also think you calling ND nationally relevant is funny

personally, I actually think that the rivalry between ND and Michigan for “NCAA week 3 champion” is kind of sad.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 24, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

I’m pretty sure MSU is probabaly at least above Michigan in the minds of ND fans, and probabaly even above USC if you really boiled it down. (I mean, how many USC fans to ND fans in the Midwest encounter?)

Look at it this way: MSU and ND have played continuously since 1945. They also play for a trophy (which, I might add, is a lot cooler than the Land Grant Bullshit).

Hell, Notre Dame and Michigan DIDN’T EVEN PLAY between 1943 and 1978. NOT ONCE. So you’re going to sit here and say that the Irish consider them a bigger rival than State? Yeah, maybe they did in 1911, when Harvard, Yale and Princeton were also national powerhouses.

Only two teams played in the Game Of The Century, and neither of them wore Maize and Blue.

by jhitts08 on Jun 24, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go ahead ask all your Notre Dame friends. I guarantee you’re 3rd at most. As for game of the century. Which one are you talking about. There have been at least 10 games named “The Game of the Century” all, incidentally, played in the same century. Like I said, Notre Dame has been terrible and so have we, but we still command way more attention than MSU did during the last season. Thats what I meant by nationally relevant. Queue sparty “command all the attention you want as long as we beat you blah blah blah” Except beating us doesnt happen regularly. Were just gonna have to disagree on what a rivalry is. I like being hated because somewhere in there is a veiled sense of respect for the other program. It also means you’ve been doing some winning on the field. Look at the graph above. You think Iowa fans respect Penn State just for fun. Doubt it. I guarantee you there success on the field against Penn State has a lot to do with it.

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by ForzaBLUE on Jun 24, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't need to ask, because I know what they will say

I have plenty of Notre Dame friends who say that, while they enjoy beating Michigan a lot (because they think UM fans are a-holes… which I’m sure is what you guys think about them, too), the MSU rivalry means more to them because it has happened every single year since 1945. (Incidentally, my dad happens to be one of those “Notre Dame friends” and that’s what he told me when I asked him just now.) Anyway, I think they tend to respect State a lot more than they respect ND, which, as you said, is the mark of a true rivalry.

(And the “Game Of The Century” is the one that every MSU vs. ND fan talks about as being the “Game Of The Century.” That’s obviously the one I’m talking about. There were others that were called that, but c’mon — that’s the only one.)

I should note that while I myself am not a graduate of either of the three schools I have plenty of family and friends who did. This is awesome, because it allows me to be emotionally invested in these rivalries without actually caring enough to take it too seriously. It’s one of the real benefits of a liberal arts education, woo! (Also, the ability to distinguish between the different forms of “there,” “their,” and “they’re”. Just a tip — you used the wrong one.)

by jhitts08 on Jun 24, 2011 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

How sad, correcting grammar on a blog. You sure put me in my place. Can I at least get credit for the times I used “there” correctly. Next time I’ll try to put in as much work as I did in my thesis. I’m sure there (or is it their…or they’re who knows I only got my degree from UM, I must be stupid, cut me some slack) is respect between MSU and ND, but I know my ND friends don’t think too highly of MSU after that flag planting incidence at ND stadium.

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by ForzaBLUE on Jun 24, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said you were stupid. I just thought it somewhat undermined your position a little bit when there were overt grammatical mistakes in an argument you were trying to make. (I mean… I wasn’t going to bring this up, but, c’mon… incidence? From a U-M grad? I thought you guys were BETTER than that!)

Whatever. I’ll stop needling your U-M educated grammar and instead ask you this: What is your point? So some dumb MSU kids planted their flag in the Notre Dame stadium and a few Notre Dame fans “lost respect” for them, and that somehow means the rivalry isn’t as big of a deal anymore? How is that relevant to this argument? And if a great rivalry is based on “respect” then how come OSU and U-M fans can get away with flaming each other pretty much every time they argue?

by jhitts08 on Jun 25, 2011 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, no stealing my line!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 25, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It fit so perfectly.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 25, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Typically when a team does someone such as planting their flag on the opposing team's field after a victory

It only fuels the fire for the rivalry.

But, in this case, it made Golden Domers care less and less about their State rivalry. ‘Why does it matter if we beat them?’ they asked one another dejectedly.

Or, they got pissed, and they screamed for the Spartans to be brought to sweet, sweet Irish Catholic justice.

I guess this is where you choose the adventure for yourself!

by cwel87 on Jun 25, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the thing is

I don’t think that’s accurate at all. I think they DO still care about beating State. Meaning, Forza Blue is wrong. Which was my argument all along.

by jhitts08 on Jun 25, 2011 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

This sounds familiar,

The Spartans finished 11-2, tied for the Big Ten Crown, behind a veteran offensive line…. The result was getting curb stomped by Alabama to the tune of 42 points in a game that was somehow less competitive than the score actually suggests.

Sincerely,

UM Football, Classes of ’70, ’72, ’77, ’78, ’83, ’87, ’90, ’92, 2004, 2005, and 2007.

by Boston_Torpedo on Jun 24, 2011 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

You missed something...

Sincerely,

UM Football, Classes of ’80, ’81, ’85, ’87(um, we won this one), ’88, ’90 (won this one too), ’92 (um, we won), ’93, ’94, ’97 (never lost), ’98, ’99, ’00, ’02, ’07 (oh yeah, we won this one too)

The mere hiring of Coach Hoke has sent Pryor and Tressel packing...

by DrBogue on Jun 24, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like how you didn't even bother mentioning the four teams in the '70's.

Just skipped right over them. How cute.

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by cwel87 on Jun 25, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right,

nobody does care about the “four teams in the ’70’s”, or the 1432397423 National championships that UM won prior to 1910. You UM fans are the only ones that keep bringing that stuff up.

by Boston_Torpedo on Jun 25, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first couple paragraphs were really funny

and I say that as an MSU fan. The rest was the same old “we don’t really care about those guys we hate to lose to” that we get all the time from U of M fans. In short, nice opening but you couldn’t sustain it. Kind of like last year’s game.

by TheCrestedHelm on Jun 24, 2011 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

9-1 couldn't fill your stadium

Seriously… any hope in East Lansing? You couldn’t sell out your final home game against Purdue when you were 9-1. MSU fans are fair weather at best, when they win they can’t shut up, when they lose you can’t find ‘em. Unless you’re 9-1, then apparently you can’t find them to buy tickets.

The mere hiring of Coach Hoke has sent Pryor and Tressel packing...

by DrBogue on Jun 24, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Ummm...

judging by this comment,

You couldn’t sell out your final home game against Purdue when you were 9-1. MSU fans are fair weather at best…

I don’t think you understand what fair weather fan means.

by Boston_Torpedo on Jun 25, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I were a Michigan fan I wouldn't be celebrating the return of 9 defensive starters.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 24, 2011 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, I hate those throwback uniforms

Trrbl, jus trrbl

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by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate the helmet, love the number font, red shoes and pants, but the uniform would've looked much better with last year's striped socks imo.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 24, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dave, You are so Mean to the Green

Hey, Sparty, what would you say is the most crucial ingredient to your historic winning streak over Michigan? Was it because you are such a monster program or was it because Michigan has lost to everybody over the last three years? I think most Spartan teams over the last couple decades could have beaten Michigan the past 3 years. Wear your pride and enjoy your “accomplishment” while you can. Afterall, it’s one of those things you can brag to your grandkids about. “I remember back in ’ought-8 we beat them buggers 3 straight years. We were really great.” “Were they good too? Is that why it was so great to beat them?” “They were always jerks, everybody hated them.” “Gee, grandpa, that was great that you were able to get back at them that way. It must be great to beat them every year.” “Well, it’s been closer since then, you can’t expect to win every year.” Did you beat them last year?" “No, we lost.” “What about the year before last?” “No, we didn’t get that one either.” “Oh. When was the last time you beat them?” “Uh, well, that would have been 2010.”

Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.

by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 24, 2011 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

It must really suck to be so bad for a period of time that you have to make the, “Everybody beat us so it’s no big deal when you do it!” excuse.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 24, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It has been that bad.

Where have you been? Too busy cheating to notice is my guess.

"For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue!

by ForzaBLUE on Jun 24, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know it’s been that bad, that was my whole point. The excuse is still hilarious, very Indiana-like.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 24, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tsun is on probation

for major violations. You cheated and still became the B1G whipping boys. You made Mississippi St look like the Green Bay Packers. Plus, you are still on probation.

by biggy84 on Jun 24, 2011 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least when we cheat we manage to win football games,

beat our rivals, and don’t get embarrassed by a mediocre football team. RichRod and your players are so bad they cheated by working out too much…and got worse. How the fuck is that even possible?

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by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only the offense worked out evidently.

by biggy84 on Jun 24, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not when they played someone that

didn’t have a direction in their school name. They were explosive against bad teams, but when they got into Big Ten play and had to play real defenses, Michigan was mediocre offensively.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m still trying to figure out how they claim Russell Crowe.

by biggy84 on Jun 24, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

ILLINOIS!

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on Jun 25, 2011 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know the rule

with Ron Zook, ANYTHING is possible. And I do mean ANYTHING.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 25, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

HE16MAN!!!!!!!!

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 27, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey thanks man...

You know, that hasn’t been brought up by every single Michigan fan on this blog when they are questioned about losing to MSU three straight times. Really. That’s a COMPLETELY original thought, and you should get a gold star for bringing it to the table for the first time ever.

Christ. You’d think that a group of fans who didn’t care wouldn’t need to find reasons to downplay something so much…

by jhitts08 on Jun 24, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now THAT is some

high quality hatin’ right there.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 28, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fun fact:

In the B1G, only jNorthwestern has lost more games to MAC teams than Michigan State.

Brunettes not fighter jets

by rockyh on Jun 28, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

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