B1G 2011 // Keeping the Enemy Close: Michigan Fans Will Never Truly Care About MSU's Football Program
When it was time to write the Michigan State "Keeping the Enemy Close" we could think of only one guy for the job, Maize n Brew Dave from SB Nation's outstanding Michigan Blog, Maize n Brew. Dave's a veteran of these previews, so we figured he'd be up for another round this year. He didn't disappoint. For those of you who offend easily, you should probably be watching the O Network rather than reading this. We asked him to write a rivalry piece, not Kumbaya. Enjoy.
Fan bases tend to attract the types of celebrity supporters they deserve. The Kentucky Wildcats have Ashley Judd. Florida has Erin Andrews. USC has Snoop Dogg. Michigan has Russell Crowe. All are relatively famous and all are fairly representative of their student body.
Michigan State has The Situation.
Real life writes comedy that we only dream of in our deepest REM sleep. What's even better (and much to the chagrin of reasonable Michigan State fans like The Only Colors), is that Michigan State's AD actually sought to PUBLICIZE this. Hey everyone! Chlamydia is a State fan and he'll be in our stands all season! Actually. We knew that a long time ago. Just nice to get some confirmation.
When Graham asked me to do a piece on Michigan State for OTE's MSU Week 2011, he attached a couple of questions to stir my competitive juices. The questions were pretty straight forward:
"[What] emotions are you feeling right now toward MSU? What's your state of mind? What do you foresee in the future? Do you hate State more or less now than three years ago?"
When I read them I kind of chuckled. What emotions am I feeling about them? I dunno. Is indifference an emotion? Is itching an emotion?
To Michigan fans and alumni, Michigan State will always be Michigan State. A perpetual case of jock itch we're forced to deal with once a season, no matter how many times we kill it off with Micatin. Whether or not the Spartans have won three games in a row is immaterial to how Michigan fans view their sister college to the northwest. To us, with a few exceptions, they will always be headband-sporting, white-wifebeater-wearing, spikey-haired, grain-alcohol-guzzling frat boyz with obnoxious, over-served co-eds, who submit things like this in support of their school.
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Mom and Dad must be so proud. Nice Christmas wreath on St. Patrick's Day, jackass.
Turning to football, to a Michigan fan, Michigan State isn't really part of our collective consciousness leading into a normal football season. It's just one of those games we're supposed to win against an over-hyped, poorly coached team led onto the field by someone who was in jail a week before kickoff. It's like playing an SEC team, just without the talent or coaching.
Admittedly, this same group of overachieving underachievers has gotten the best of Michigan the last three years. So, naturally, you'd think that would change our perception.
No. Not even a little bit.
Most Michigan fans would consider Michigan State to be a mosquito bite that needs to be scratched. The last three years have been uncomfortable, as the bites we've received have been in a very public yet personal place, but it's something that with time will heal and everything return to normal. Maybe at worst, Michigan fans would consider it a dog bite on the ass, or a recurring bout of the chicken pox. You get a little scar, things heal, and you either have animal control put the dog down or you get a little calamine lotion for the lumps. Either way you're back to normal pretty quickly. It's not something you're overly concerned with.
The funniest thing about Michigan State's recent three game winning streak is that people think that it has, in some way, altered the reality of the series. I'll just tell you now, no, no it hasn't. What has changed is Michigan's head coach. Michigan has gone from a coach that had no clue how to recruit the State of Michigan or a Big Ten defense, to a coach that lives and breathes both. The results are what Michigan fans expect them to be and what Michigan State fans silently know in the their little hearts to be the norm, Michigan will always get the best talent in the state of Michigan. Period.
You don't have to take my word for it. You can ask the top players in the state, they're all going to Michigan. And they'll be glad to tell you that. Right now Michigan has 7 in-state commitments to Michigan State's two. For what it's worth, neither of MSU's in-state commits were offered by Michigan. All of Michigan's in-state commits were offered by MSU.
So that brings us to last year and this year. In 2010 Michigan State seemed to capture lightning in a bottle. The Spartans finished 11-2, tied for the Big Ten Crown, behind a veteran offensive line and not having to face Ohio State. The result was getting curb stomped by Alabama to the tune of 42 points in a game that was somehow less competitive than the score actually suggests. And that was with their best team in two decades.
Turning the calendar forward, Michigan State returns most of its potent play makers but has one, slight, glaring problem. It's offensive line. Three new starters. Ask Clemson how well a loaded set of play makers works out if no one can keep their quarterback upright. On defense there's a similar problem. Play maker Greg Jones is gone, as are four of his starting colleagues in the linebacking corps and secondary. While State should be good this year, they won't be 11-2. They also won't win surprise games like Notre Dame or Wisconsin. The schedule also toughens up. Now they get Ohio State every year. Have fun with that.
Finally, this brings us to Michigan. State has won the last three in the series. They actually won last year's match-up in convincing fashion, a fashion so convincing that many perceive it as a turning point in Rodriguez' season. But the second to last word of that sentence is the key. Rodriguez. A man who hired Greg Robinson to be his defensive coordinator and then made him install a defensive system he didn't know how to run.
In contrast to last season, Michigan returns 17 starters on both sides of the ball and doesn't return the defense adverse Rodriguez. They have a veteran offensive line and 9 returning starters on defense. As an added bonus, Michigan infuses this veteran defense with arguably the best defensive coordinator in the Big Ten, or the NFL for that matter, in Greg Mattison. Oh. And Obi Ezeh and Jonas Mouton won't be there to miss tackles anymore either.
Things will return to normal this year. The itch will be scratched and things will return to their normal place in the universe. Michigan will hang out with movie stars and the powerful men and women of the world. And Michigan State will hang with The Situation.
How fitting.
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Nice indifference post, we can tell you don't care at all
cough over the top ahem
A couple factual corrections though:
Se’von Pittman WAS offered by Michigan… I know you guys will say you didn’t want him ’cause well we did get him, but no erasing the fact he had an offer.
We get Ohio State this year and next, but not every year… they are in the other division and not our protected crossover ala Michigan.
And one personal objection… for those who watched Wisconsin vs MSU… not much luck involved. Wisconsin won the turnover battle by 3… MSU dominated… well everything else and still won by 10 points. An inferior team will never win giving up three turnovers.
The sideline is always greener at MSU.
Se’von Pittman is from Ohio. He said in-state recruits. Nice incorrect factual correction.
And do you really want to brag about the fact that you don’t have to play OSU every year?
by michaelscarn313 on Jun 24, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, ALL top two players in the state?
Impressive brah!
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
That aside, I really wish the people who write one of these spite pieces for each team would stop claiming they don’t care about the particular school. You took the time to write a couple thousand words about why you hate the opposing school: you care, and to say otherwise is self-deluding.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Semicorrect on Jun 24, 2011 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Quality stuff
But I was hoping you would elaborate more on the title of the article…which I feel is true.
Also recruiting troubles?
We just got three commits in the last day
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
Remember the days
When MSU would be excited for winning the ‘in-state’ battle, and UofM fans would blow it off saying ‘In-state recruiting is nothing. We’re recruiting kids from around the country’.
My how the shoe has changed feet.
Most of those people were on the RCMB and Detroit media
Dantonio and most fans have never really worried about it.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
Just from the tone of your article
it is obvious that you do care about MSU. Why make so many sly comments about a team that you don’t care about? Why write this entire post about it?
From someone who lives in the state of Michigan, and has to work with graduates of UofM on a consistent basis, I’ve never seen a bigger group of people with the same neurotic tendencies. It is some tongue-in-cheek plague spreading in Ann Arbor. Your emotions swing harder and faster than Barry Bonds on steroids. That’s how you go from the grand dreams of Chip Kelly, Les Miles, etc etc to your (at best) fourth choice. After one speech about the supposed ‘Michigan Man’, you get posts like these

All in the matter of a few days!
No other school has your tendencies. You’re the first to shove good news in the face of others, yet when something doesn’t go your way, it is blown off like it was no big deal.
See: Pittman (we backed off on him, he had bad grades, he wasn’t good for Michigan), recruiting this year vs. last year (winning in-state recruits this year is much more significant than last year), MSU winning 3 in a row (UofM so excited for a win that Hart declares MSU as the ‘little brother’, yet the past 3 seasons don’t count for various reasons). The list goes on, and on, and on, and on….
This has to be some sort of condition. And everyone knows it (take a nice look at the picture)
Here’s what MSU has learned after the past dominance of UofM. If you win, you win. You celebrate and look toward the next challenge. If you lose, you lose. You see what you did wrong, and improve upon it. But casting it off? 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct…
It is supposed to be a fun rivalry. Is it part of the ‘Michigan Man’ to be mad all the time?
by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 7:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
TAKE YOUR VITAMINS AND SAY YOUR PRAYERS, BROTHER
BECAUSE HOKEMANIA IS RUNNING WILD, BROTHER. WHOOOOO!!!!11
WHATCHA GONNA DO….WHEN MY 52 INCH BELLY…COMES CRASHING DOWN ON YOU?
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
if I were a spartan I would feel so small after this article
by Fake Pelini on Jun 24, 2011 8:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Enough about them, let's talk about Nebraska
by OctaShields on Jun 24, 2011 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
5 National Championships
Whoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
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With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
by BuckeyeSki on Jun 24, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like New York (represent) Eddie is so nice
we had to post him twice
With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
you know something frazier did accomplish?
He beat an SEC team.
by Fake Pelini on Jun 24, 2011 10:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah
This is the usual crap that spews out of UofM mouths.
After a while you get good at ignoring it.
and go back to hangin with the situation?
by Fake Pelini on Jun 24, 2011 9:27 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You got me there Pelini
When that was announced, every self-respecting Spartan was grumbling to themselves…
by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
you would think penn st would be a likelier destination for the jersey shore cast
/TheSituation’d
by Fake Pelini on Jun 24, 2011 10:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel vindicated
I was accepted by UofM as well as a host of other big ten schools I am constantly reminded by the classless ravings of U of M fans that I made the right choice. Despite the number of intelligent and amicable people that attend the school and I respect, admire, and am proud to call my friends it’s fairly easy to see that the school churns out jackasses at an alarming rate and quite frankly I would be remiss to ever be associated with anything but their opposition.
by anotherspartan on Jun 24, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait
To Michigan fans and alumni, Michigan State will always be Michigan State. A perpetual case of jock itch we’re forced to deal with once a season, no matter how many times we kill it off with Micatin
So let me get this straight….Michigan State has been playing with Michigan’s junk?
Also, this is obligatory
Ask Clemson how well a loaded set of play makers works out if no one can keep their quarterback upright
Fuck Clemson.
After reading this article,
the first thing I did was to search the posts for “Clemson” to see if anyone had made this comment.
In the deed, the glory.
Corn Nation!
by Aaron Musfeldt on Jun 24, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
ok ill say it
i think everyone here needs proof dave actually went to michigan, and not hillsdale or something. this reeks of wal-mart.
The people of Walmart
website is 90% walmart wolverines.
Real Hillsdale grad says...
I probabaly know him. But, you know, it’s just really hard for us Chargers to get worked up about Saginaw Valley State, you know? We need an outlet, damnit!
That the best you got?
No “Cow college…hurrrr?”
No “Inferior academics?” /adjusts monocle
No all-time record or Rose Bowl mentions?
I’d expect more from a Michigan Man®.
Can we get a write up from an Indiana fan, since their our new Most Hated Rival?
Kill, Bubba, Kill!
We may study cows in East Lansing
but in Ann Arbor they date them.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
big girls
need love to
Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
by Graham Filler on Jun 24, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't going to post this before
But now that the ‘UofM girls are ugly’ can has been opened, it needs to be shared.
So my company had a collective meeting on UofMs campus. There are graduates from all over the Big Ten, including one UofM grad. We always jibe at each other (since I went to MSU). I always poke fun saying that the girls at UofM are…well…there is no nice way of saying it. Since the rest of the people hadn’t been to Ann Arbor, they put that statement to the test. So we decided to take note of any good looking girls that we saw.
There was a couple of so-so’s throughout the day, but it wasn’t until the very last part of the day when we all stood on the steps of the library for a picture. There was a very good looking girl walking down the street and the UofM grad was the first to point her out. Almost on que, she took off the casual sweater she was wearing and lo and behold, a green and white Michigan State t-shirt became the nail in the coffin on that statement.
It’s the only time I’ve ever seen red go so well with Maze and Blue
by SpartyFever on Jun 24, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nothing more disappointing
than an unattractive girl in a schoolgirl outfit. I’m assuming they still wear Catholic school uniforms – right?
found myself in the UM Library last year
not bad times at all, lady wise…
Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
by Graham Filler on Jun 24, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
In the two years I spent at U of M...
…my head was on a swivel plenty of times.
That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave
Why, was Tate Forcier throwing the ball on the Diag?
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
MIchigan girls are...
there’s no nice way of saying it: more intelligent than any person, male or female, who went to MSU.
by patrickdolan on Jun 24, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
This string has the potential for some high quality hate
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Nothing but truth here
The average UM coed looks like an after picture from faces of meth.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
Seriously?
I hate Michigan as much as the next guy (even more- I live in Ann Arbor). The girls there are anything but unattractive.
Author at Off Tackle Empire
and Errant Pass Downfield
@RicardoEfendi
by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 24, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Where are you hiding them?
Starbucks? The Urban Outfitters that used to be a cinema? Potbellys?
I’ve looked there…no dice.
Let him be...
He’s from Wisconsin…
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
by Marshmoose on Jun 24, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha!
I’m a Spartan living in Madison. I used to think Uof M girls were ugly. Then I moved to Madison! Standards have been forced to drop, just out of pure logistics. A 5 is a 7, a 6 is an 8, and a MSU 7 doesn’t even exisit.
by StickyGreen on Jun 24, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's because no one from MSU can count to 7
And since the MSU fans seem to believe that “anecdote” equals “data”, I can assert from personal experience that MSU really ought not be so loud in denigrating the quality of any other school’s women. Look, I went to a private, elite Catholic school, I know from unattractive coeds; my one trip to East Lansing didn’t exactly make me rethink my decision. Visiting U of Kentucky, on the other hand…
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jun 25, 2011 7:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fishbowl.
The big computer lab on Central Campus.
Author at Off Tackle Empire
and Errant Pass Downfield
@RicardoEfendi
by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 24, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as hate pieces go
This is pretty good. Because we’re on our second year of this Big Ten 20_ _ , it’s hard to manufacture hate over and over without saying the same thing. We’ve been very fortunate this year that this Friday piece hasn’t gotten boring. Nebraska is new so we got a 1000 comment Kansas State piece. Iowa lost to NW again, meaning we got another HFMR Pat Fitz piece, brilliant per usual. And how insulting is it to say “we don’t even care about ebbs and flows in play, we’ll always not give a damn about your program”? It’s insulting.
Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
Well, at least they have something to look forward to
You know, always commenting on how they don’t give a damn about MSU’s program?
At least Denard won the Heisman of June, and they’re the frontrunners for the National Champions of July.
Says the fan of a team that has won 10 games in a season once this decade
And now claim to be one of the conference “elite”
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jun 25, 2011 8:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd just like to remind you UofM folks
Of a post by Hilary Lee earlier this month.
I see quite a bit of red in that Michigan column…
Stings a bit knowing everyone hates and/or doesn’t care for you, doesn’t it?
Yes, even after three down years and not being able to beat anyone not in Indiana,
we’ve kicked the rest of the B1G’s ass so thoroughly over the years that they are still upset about it.
That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave
No, the only ones who care about what happened
in the 20’s is you guys.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome
Nebraska allegedly is.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
by Ted Glover on Jun 24, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think I've heard that too.
Something about 5 of something. Can’t really remember though. It’s been a while since I heard it.
That is sooooo not funny - Maize N Brew Dave
You know Nebraska's making a difference
When fans of opposing schools can come together to make fun of them.
How about the "Sit Down and Shut Up Until You've Earned It" conference?
When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic
Why do Gopher fans get along so well with Sparty?
Cause you hate Michigan even more than we do. And that’s something we appreciate.
Also note that there are no recent pictures of Michigan vs MSU in the original post
Might have something to do with this:



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Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This is an exercise in futility.
Writing 1,000 words about an arch-rival? Trying to find 26 different synonyms for ‘mosquito bite’? Legitimizing why your team can’t win anymore – and why it’ll suddenly turn on its head this year?
You clearly care. And the fact you try not to makes it even more glorious for State fans.
Thanks!
by cwel87 on Jun 24, 2011 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How does it feel knowing Mike "The Situation" is your most famous Alumnus, sir?

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
How could you say that, when our most famous alumnus is the scourge of Buckeyes everywhere?

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
by Seer on Jun 24, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well played Seer
but if you really wanna help Hansen catch a predator, do him a favor and point him towards State College PA
With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
You sir have won the internets
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jun 25, 2011 8:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The situation is NOT an alum.
Let’s get that straight right off the bat.
He just regretfully decided he was gonna be a Spartan fan this year.
I guess our recent success has created a bandwagon.
Kill, Bubba, Kill!
I know bandwagon fans are douches
but NEXT LEVEL DOUCHE ATTRACTION MANEUVER.
/remembers Tommie Lee as a Nebraska “student”
by Albino Tornado on Jun 24, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
He just likes the Green color
It matches some pair of shoes and a hat he has so he thought he would buy a shirt and rock the team accompanying the shirt
Skol!
My god, there is some fine, fiiiiiine green and white butthurt up in here.
We’re all shocked and amazed, right?
Right?
Anybody?
Put your hand down, Sparty.
You lost every game you ever played against Tim Brewster. You do not have the answer to my question.
Even if Michigan fans claim not to care...
…their coach cares enough about the MSU game to install a countdown clock in your practice facility.
Kill, Bubba, Kill!
Except our clock has been widely misreported
Our clock is to the next game, not until the next Michigan game.
Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude
I wasn't referring to the clock counting to UM
I was just generally talking about the use of a countdown clock.
+1
You better wreck yoself before u rec yoself
by Fake Pelini on Jun 24, 2011 11:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just gonna leave this here...
h/t to Touchdown H-Town at EDSBS

Kill, Bubba, Kill!
by Spartan D on Jun 24, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
There are fake notices like this on the interwebz for every school

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Jun 24, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
generally
the less desirable school in the state does.
by anotherspartan on Jun 25, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
If you want to know the truth:
I really don’t care if Michigan “cares” about us.
We’re scheduled to play them once a year in football, usually twice a year in basketball, and at least 4 times a year in hockey. I want to win those games. Other than that, I really don’t think about them.
So much intense not-caring
It boggles the mind.
It’s difficult to cultivate that much not-caring. Lots of training in zen arts.
I wouldn't say we dont care
We do care. Its our biggest in-state rival and I enjoy going up to EL whenever the game is played there. But when you have annual games against two nationally relevant programs like OSU and Notre Dame, regardless (can I say irregardless in honor of the late RichRod?) of Notre Dame’s terrible play on the field, you just fall to our third most hated rival. You would be fourth except we just can’t get Penn State fans to hate us, which actually annoys me to be honest. I think Dave’s post is great, indifference is more insulting than hate. You’d think a 9 game losing streak would have done it, but they seem to hate OSU more despite having an almost even all-time record. Anyway my point is you consider us your biggest rival which is sad. I have enough state friends to know this is true. You can pretend Notre Dame is your biggest rival but that would be sad as well because you’re probably third to them too after USC and Michigan.
"For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue!
Why is it sad to see UofM as our biggest rival?
1) You guys were dominant in the Big Ten for a long time
2) Both schools are in the state of Michigan, and therefore compete for a lot of similar resources
I think both points are pretty strong arguments for the rivalry being justified. You consider Notre Dame your second biggest rival? I know a lot of UofM fans, and they don’t get nearly as fired up over ND than MSU.
And why do you want PSU to hate you? I’m starting to wonder if UofM only feels comfortable when everyone hates them…
You and ND keep telling yourself that ND is still "nationally relevant" maybe someday it will be so.
If you mean ND has a loudmouthed, obnoxious and uneducated fanbase spread around the country, then yes, I guess you could call them nationally relevant. Much like an outbreak of chlamydia is nationally relevant.
Yes. We get it. As you and they have told us ad infinitum we are not your rivals. Even if we have been ND’s opponent in sports more times than any other school (all sports, not just football and it’s not even close) we’re not their rival. We play you every year in every sport. Even if the B1G (see baseball this year) decides we shouldn’t.
History and other quirks have cosigned it so that the teams we play most often in football do not deign to consider us rivals. So be it. Since we resumed our series with ND in 1995 we are 10-6 against them including a streak of 6 in a row as well as beating them 6 times straight on their home turf. We’ve won the last 3 against Um.
If we continue to beat you (both) maybe you’ll come around. If not we’ll just continue to beat you. I can live with that.
I’d rather beat you than be your “rival” anyway.
Let's make a deal
You continue to ‘not care that much’ about Michigan State, and Michigan State continues to beat you at football.
Sounds fair to me, since it doesn’t ‘matter’ to you that much.
I also think you calling ND nationally relevant is funny
personally, I actually think that the rivalry between ND and Michigan for “NCAA week 3 champion” is kind of sad.
by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 24, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
I’m pretty sure MSU is probabaly at least above Michigan in the minds of ND fans, and probabaly even above USC if you really boiled it down. (I mean, how many USC fans to ND fans in the Midwest encounter?)
Look at it this way: MSU and ND have played continuously since 1945. They also play for a trophy (which, I might add, is a lot cooler than the Land Grant Bullshit).
Hell, Notre Dame and Michigan DIDN’T EVEN PLAY between 1943 and 1978. NOT ONCE. So you’re going to sit here and say that the Irish consider them a bigger rival than State? Yeah, maybe they did in 1911, when Harvard, Yale and Princeton were also national powerhouses.
Only two teams played in the Game Of The Century, and neither of them wore Maize and Blue.
Go ahead ask all your Notre Dame friends. I guarantee you’re 3rd at most. As for game of the century. Which one are you talking about. There have been at least 10 games named “The Game of the Century” all, incidentally, played in the same century. Like I said, Notre Dame has been terrible and so have we, but we still command way more attention than MSU did during the last season. Thats what I meant by nationally relevant. Queue sparty “command all the attention you want as long as we beat you blah blah blah” Except beating us doesnt happen regularly. Were just gonna have to disagree on what a rivalry is. I like being hated because somewhere in there is a veiled sense of respect for the other program. It also means you’ve been doing some winning on the field. Look at the graph above. You think Iowa fans respect Penn State just for fun. Doubt it. I guarantee you there success on the field against Penn State has a lot to do with it.
"For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue!
I don't need to ask, because I know what they will say
I have plenty of Notre Dame friends who say that, while they enjoy beating Michigan a lot (because they think UM fans are a-holes… which I’m sure is what you guys think about them, too), the MSU rivalry means more to them because it has happened every single year since 1945. (Incidentally, my dad happens to be one of those “Notre Dame friends” and that’s what he told me when I asked him just now.) Anyway, I think they tend to respect State a lot more than they respect ND, which, as you said, is the mark of a true rivalry.
(And the “Game Of The Century” is the one that every MSU vs. ND fan talks about as being the “Game Of The Century.” That’s obviously the one I’m talking about. There were others that were called that, but c’mon — that’s the only one.)
I should note that while I myself am not a graduate of either of the three schools I have plenty of family and friends who did. This is awesome, because it allows me to be emotionally invested in these rivalries without actually caring enough to take it too seriously. It’s one of the real benefits of a liberal arts education, woo! (Also, the ability to distinguish between the different forms of “there,” “their,” and “they’re”. Just a tip — you used the wrong one.)
How sad, correcting grammar on a blog. You sure put me in my place. Can I at least get credit for the times I used “there” correctly. Next time I’ll try to put in as much work as I did in my thesis. I’m sure there (or is it their…or they’re who knows I only got my degree from UM, I must be stupid, cut me some slack) is respect between MSU and ND, but I know my ND friends don’t think too highly of MSU after that flag planting incidence at ND stadium.
"For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue!
I never said you were stupid. I just thought it somewhat undermined your position a little bit when there were overt grammatical mistakes in an argument you were trying to make. (I mean… I wasn’t going to bring this up, but, c’mon… incidence? From a U-M grad? I thought you guys were BETTER than that!)
Whatever. I’ll stop needling your U-M educated grammar and instead ask you this: What is your point? So some dumb MSU kids planted their flag in the Notre Dame stadium and a few Notre Dame fans “lost respect” for them, and that somehow means the rivalry isn’t as big of a deal anymore? How is that relevant to this argument? And if a great rivalry is based on “respect” then how come OSU and U-M fans can get away with flaming each other pretty much every time they argue?
BECAUSE MICHIGAN SUCKS!!!!
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
by Jon Ross on Jun 25, 2011 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hey, no stealing my line!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 25, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It fit so perfectly.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
Typically when a team does someone such as planting their flag on the opposing team's field after a victory
It only fuels the fire for the rivalry.
But, in this case, it made Golden Domers care less and less about their State rivalry. ‘Why does it matter if we beat them?’ they asked one another dejectedly.
Or, they got pissed, and they screamed for the Spartans to be brought to sweet, sweet Irish Catholic justice.
I guess this is where you choose the adventure for yourself!
Yeah but the thing is
I don’t think that’s accurate at all. I think they DO still care about beating State. Meaning, Forza Blue is wrong. Which was my argument all along.
Right, someone who doesn't know or is too lazy to correct the most basic of English grammar not only graduated from Michigan, but also went through a Master's program!
You can create that tough, plucky, well-educated online persona anywhere you like.
Just don’t expect people to buy it.
This sounds familiar,
The Spartans finished 11-2, tied for the Big Ten Crown, behind a veteran offensive line…. The result was getting curb stomped by Alabama to the tune of 42 points in a game that was somehow less competitive than the score actually suggests.
Sincerely,
UM Football, Classes of ’70, ’72, ’77, ’78, ’83, ’87, ’90, ’92, 2004, 2005, and 2007.
You missed something...
Sincerely,
UM Football, Classes of ’80, ’81, ’85, ’87(um, we won this one), ’88, ’90 (won this one too), ’92 (um, we won), ’93, ’94, ’97 (never lost), ’98, ’99, ’00, ’02, ’07 (oh yeah, we won this one too)
The mere hiring of Coach Hoke has sent Pryor and Tressel packing...
I like how you didn't even bother mentioning the four teams in the '70's.
Just skipped right over them. How cute.
DISCLAIMER: Nobody cares anyway. Well, except maybe you.
You're absolutely right,
nobody does care about the “four teams in the ’70’s”, or the 1432397423 National championships that UM won prior to 1910. You UM fans are the only ones that keep bringing that stuff up.
by Boston_Torpedo on Jun 25, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The first couple paragraphs were really funny
and I say that as an MSU fan. The rest was the same old “we don’t really care about those guys we hate to lose to” that we get all the time from U of M fans. In short, nice opening but you couldn’t sustain it. Kind of like last year’s game.
9-1 couldn't fill your stadium
Seriously… any hope in East Lansing? You couldn’t sell out your final home game against Purdue when you were 9-1. MSU fans are fair weather at best, when they win they can’t shut up, when they lose you can’t find ‘em. Unless you’re 9-1, then apparently you can’t find them to buy tickets.
The mere hiring of Coach Hoke has sent Pryor and Tressel packing...
Ummm...
judging by this comment,
You couldn’t sell out your final home game against Purdue when you were 9-1. MSU fans are fair weather at best…
I don’t think you understand what fair weather fan means.
by Boston_Torpedo on Jun 25, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If I were a Michigan fan I wouldn't be celebrating the return of 9 defensive starters.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
Man, I hate those throwback uniforms
Trrbl, jus trrbl
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
I hate the helmet, love the number font, red shoes and pants, but the uniform would've looked much better with last year's striped socks imo.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
Dave, You are so Mean to the Green
Hey, Sparty, what would you say is the most crucial ingredient to your historic winning streak over Michigan? Was it because you are such a monster program or was it because Michigan has lost to everybody over the last three years? I think most Spartan teams over the last couple decades could have beaten Michigan the past 3 years. Wear your pride and enjoy your “accomplishment” while you can. Afterall, it’s one of those things you can brag to your grandkids about. “I remember back in ’ought-8 we beat them buggers 3 straight years. We were really great.” “Were they good too? Is that why it was so great to beat them?” “They were always jerks, everybody hated them.” “Gee, grandpa, that was great that you were able to get back at them that way. It must be great to beat them every year.” “Well, it’s been closer since then, you can’t expect to win every year.” Did you beat them last year?" “No, we lost.” “What about the year before last?” “No, we didn’t get that one either.” “Oh. When was the last time you beat them?” “Uh, well, that would have been 2010.”
Your integrity is revealed in crisis, not determined by it.
by PreachinTotheChoir on Jun 24, 2011 7:18 PM CDT reply actions
It must really suck to be so bad for a period of time that you have to make the, “Everybody beat us so it’s no big deal when you do it!” excuse.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
It has been that bad.
Where have you been? Too busy cheating to notice is my guess.
"For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue!
I know it’s been that bad, that was my whole point. The excuse is still hilarious, very Indiana-like.
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
Tsun is on probation
for major violations. You cheated and still became the B1G whipping boys. You made Mississippi St look like the Green Bay Packers. Plus, you are still on probation.
At least when we cheat we manage to win football games,
beat our rivals, and don’t get embarrassed by a mediocre football team. RichRod and your players are so bad they cheated by working out too much…and got worse. How the fuck is that even possible?
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Not when they played someone that
didn’t have a direction in their school name. They were explosive against bad teams, but when they got into Big Ten play and had to play real defenses, Michigan was mediocre offensively.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
ILLINOIS!
"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans
You know the rule
with Ron Zook, ANYTHING is possible. And I do mean ANYTHING.
Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
"If you don't tell him what he wants to hear, he's going to find you out. And when he does, they're going to tear your head off and throw your BODY OUT OF AN AIRLOCK!" - Number Six, "Bastille Day"
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 25, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
HE16MAN!!!!!!!!
With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
Hey thanks man...
You know, that hasn’t been brought up by every single Michigan fan on this blog when they are questioned about losing to MSU three straight times. Really. That’s a COMPLETELY original thought, and you should get a gold star for bringing it to the table for the first time ever.
Christ. You’d think that a group of fans who didn’t care wouldn’t need to find reasons to downplay something so much…
Sad
UofM is the only school in the world that can make the whole SEC fanbase look like a class act. The wal-mart wolverines and the pompous assholes combine to provide a formidable front the sullies the good people who attend and graduated from the fine institution. The only people who complain more about the UofM fanbase than MSU and OSU fans are actual michigan students and grads themselves.
by anotherspartan on Jun 25, 2011 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Now THAT is some
high quality hatin’ right there.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Fun fact:
In the B1G, only jNorthwestern has lost more games to MAC teams than Michigan State.
Brunettes not fighter jets

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