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B1G 2011//The Greatest Wisconsin Quarterback Since Ron Vander Kelen or the Worst Transfer Since Alan Evridge: Hyperbole Aside, Russell Wilson Chooses Bucky



So the big news finally dropped. Russell Wilson, considered by some the most sought-after transfer in college football history, made it official today: He’s going to be a Badger. Let’s take a look at who he is and venture some guesses about what his move to the Big Ten means for his new team and the conference as a whole.

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Who is Russell Wilson?

 

Originally from Richmond, Virginia, Russell Wilson started at quarterback for three years at North Carolina State. While there he led the Wolfpack to two bowl games (including a victory over West Virginia in last year’s Champs Sports Bowl), won the 2008 ACC Rookie of the Year Award, and made two all-conference teams (first team in ’08, second team in ’10). During the three years he started he totaled 93 touchdowns (76 passing, 17 rushing) and threw 26 interceptions.

Historically speaking, what does the quarterback position mean for the Wisconsin offense?

Everybody knows that Wisconsin runs the ball. Except in the third quarter of a Rose Bowl against an undersized team that runs a 4-2-5 and is getting blown off the ball by a mammoth offensive line to the tune of six yards per carry (Paul Chryst, I will never forgive you. Ever.). Look at the good Wisconsin teams from the last two decades and you will see that good quarterback play lies at the heart of it (Darrell Bevell in 1993, Mike Samuel in 1998, Brooks Bollinger in 1999, 2000, and 2002, John Stocco in 2005 and 2006, and Scott Tolzien in 2009-2010). The disappointing teams (2001, 2004, 2008) featured Jim Sorgi (filling in for the oft-injured Bollinger), a young John Stocco, and the Allan Evridge-Dustin Sherer combination that still causes me to shudder (an aside: I was at the 2008 Wisconsin-Michigan showdown, aka the 19-0 game. After Michigan pulled to within 19-14 in the fourth quarter a Wolverine fan turned to me and said, "This is where you guys run the ball ten straight times, kill the clock, and send us home sad." Literally fifteen seconds after he completed his sentence Alan Evridge struck: a pick-six.).

 When running the ball Wisconsin needs an inside-outside game to keep defenders from eschewing outside containment and just shooting gaps. The option looks that Mike Samuel and Brooks Bollinger provided offered the perfect balance to the between-the-tackles attack headed by Ron Dayne in 1998 and 1999. When Michael Bennett (a speed guy who always tried to bounce the play outside) took over the starting job in 2000 Wisconsin’s offense was not nearly as effective as it had been beforehand. It is also worth noting that Bollinger got the starting job in 1999 after Scott Kavanaugh, a traditional pocket quarterback, failed to provide the offense that dimension. We see this play itself out again in 2003 and 2004, with pocket passers Jim Sorgi and John Stocco incapable of providing balance for Anthony Davis.

 While that does keep the defense from stuffing the box full between the hashes, it’s only a small part of the equation. Bucky still needs something of a passing game to keep the safeties honest. This worked to perfection in 2005 and 2006 when a mature John Stocco utilized a bevy of skilled players to wreak havoc. One need only look at what Scott Tolzien did during Wisconsin’s two gut-check drives of 2010 (the last touchdown against Ohio State and the winning score at Iowa). At its best Wisconsin is a program that will blow out the lesser schools by simply bludgeoning them with the run and play tight games that come down to the fourth quarter against the conference’s better squads. To win those games you need a quarterback.

 Can Wilson be that guy? I believe so.

 What can we expect of Wilson as Wisconsin’s quarterback?

Difficult to say at this point. On paper he’s an immediate upgrade over projected starter Jon Budmayr. Right now we’re two months and a couple of days away from the opener against UNLV. Is that enough time for Wilson to learn the offense? Develop a rapport with his teammates? Granted, the Wisconsin offense is little more than handing the ball off to Montee Ball or James White and then hitting the tight end for ten yards off a play-action fake. But under Paul Chryst the team now sprinkles in a number of pass plays predicated on timing (such as the short wheel route to Toon that netted a few first downs against Ohio State or the shovel pass used against Iowa). Those plays, called at the right time, can be devastating. Tolzien practiced those throws for three years before making his first start. Wilson will have one training camp.

 While we’re expressing concerns, Wilson’s interception numbers are troubling. But how much of that stemmed from him being NC State’s only real weapon offensively? How much of it was over-exposure. Consider: Wilson threw almost as many passes in 2010 (527) as Scott Tolzien did in 2009 and 2010 combined (594).

 Schematically I do not expect any major departures from what we know and love. This is Wisconsin: the ground game will be established and everything else will be built off of that. But just as Chryst has incorporated a number of timing routes designed to exploit defenses looking to shoot gaps, I expect him to work in some wrinkles that will utilize Wilson’s playmaking abilities. Most probably more quarterback draws, bootlegs, and even the occasional option look. But not much else. It bears remembering Wilson chose Wisconsin over Auburn because the pro-style offense best affords him the opportunity to showcase his talents to NFL scouts, so I would not expect much along the lines of spread formations, the wild cat, or a semi-permanent shotgun formation. But Chryst has shown a tendency to become a little too enamored with the passing game…

 If forced to guess, I’ll venture Wilson is asked to be Tolzien 2.0: highly accurate, limited turnovers, hit the play-action pass, and convert the occasional third-and-long. Only better and with the ability to make things happen when the pocket collapses.

 What does this mean for the conference?

If Wisconsin was a division favorite pre-Wilson, what are they with a proven commodity at the team’s biggest question mark? Probably conference favorites. But the skeptic in me remains apprehensive for the reasons listed above. How will Wilson adjust to a new team? A new conference? His play might be the difference between 7-1 and 4-4 in league play.

 The transfer does strengthen the conference and might cause me to revise my prediction the B1G will produce only once BCS bowl-bound team. Wisconsin goes from BCS dark horse to legitimate contender (some are going as far as to anoint them national title contenders; I’m not). Regardless, the conference should now have two teams in the pre-season Top 10 (Nebraska and Wisconsin) another in the top 20 (Michigan State), and another four with legitimate shots at the top 25 (Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State, and Illinois). Does Wisconsin’s rising stock mean the B1G is a top two or three conference?

 What does this say about the Wisconsin program?

Shameless segue to Wednesday’s article? Yes. Is the Wilson transfer indicative of the Wisconsin program’s rise to elite? Consider: in recent years Wisconsin has signed out-of-state recruits offered by Florida, California, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, and Ohio State. After a two-year swoon in 2007-08, the program seems to be trending upwards. If Wilson can get Bucky to a second consecutive Rose Bowl will we be talking about Wisconsin as a national power?

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Just curious.

Is Paul Chryst moving to Asheville, because that is where Wilson lives, as an employee of the Colorado Rockies who don’t want him playing football.

So he’s going to paradrop into Wisconsin and the next day know how to run Wiscy’s excellent offense?

This is a dumb move for Bielema, and I suggest that he will be a single-wing QB for at least the first five games — if the Rockies don’t issue the kid an ultimatum, as did his coach in NC.

Query: do any of the good coaches in the Big Ten make this move? I don’t think so.

We play tackle football, most of the time.

by Bellanca on Jun 27, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I direct you to the headline in question: http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18361892 He’s no longer playing professional baseball, he’s committed to football.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 27, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I stand corrected.

He’s a great athlete, no question, but I still don’t know if any of the top 5 coaches in the Big Ten make this move. It reminds me of a Dan Snyder move. I think football is a more difficult game than this.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Jun 27, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

You raise an important point

I’m likewise concerned (I think it raise it above) about what it means for team chemistry, offensive consistency, etc. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a Dan Snyder move, but I see where you’re coming from. This is a one-shot deal.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 27, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bottom Line

From everything we’ve heard, and everything the coaches have seen during workouts, the QBs on our roster were definitely not ready to lead the Badgers on the kind of great season this team is capable of.

Wilson, provided he can learn even half of the offense, is much more ready to lead this team.

Apparently, that makes this a horrible move?

We get a smart, athletic, talented QB who has proven that he can play on a high level on a FBS The other QBs get a year on the bench to get better, instead of throwing them in there against Nebraska, Ohio State, etc when they’re not ready, with the expectations of a Big 10 title on their shoulders.

Yeah, what a stupid move.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly is exaggerated?

Find me anyone who thought that going with Jon Budmayr would be a path to success. Personally, I figured with him at QB, the best we’d be looking at is a 3 loss season. A great offensive line and fantastic run game will only go so far when the opposing defense doesn’t have to think twice about the passing game.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

while I think Wilson is a good catch, and could prove very fruitful for Wisconsin

I wouldn’t count him playing at NC State as a “high level on a FBS”. It’s the ACC, and while NC state was respectable in that conference, they weren’t great (losses to Virginia Tech & Clemson both the last two years, as well as losses to East Carolina, Maryland, Wake Forest, Duke…). Like I said, I think he’s a good get for Bucky. He’s obviously a smart guy, an athletic guy, and at the very least he adds depth to the QB position. I just don’t know that he’s “proven” he can play at the high level most of us (even non-Wisconsin fans) are expecting him to. I could see it go either way.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 29, 2011 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry Kill -- Jerry Kill -- doesn't make this move.

Neither do Fitz, Hoke, Dantonio, Fickell, and Ferentz.

Happy to be refuted by the evidence, and that’s why they play the games.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Jun 27, 2011 5:53 PM CDT reply actions  

And you know they don't make this move........how?

You’re telling me they’ve never taken transfers to upgrade a position of need?

You’re telling me that if they have the opportunity to get a QB who is much better than the ones they currently have, they don’t take it?

Yeah, because college coaches really don’t like getting better players.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duh, because they never have.

And they run programs, the strength of which is their internal consistency and internal coherence and the importance they place on their QBs not making 4 mistakes a game.

But whatever, you’re just bickering, and on the internet no less, so fine. Evidence, logic and even wit escape you. Let’s just play the games. Individual talent does not win games in the Big Ten, especially if a club abandons its identity because some hotshot shows up with plays written on his forearm.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Jun 27, 2011 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe because they don't get the opportunity to?

I’m the one bickering? I’m the one abandoning evidence and logic?

Looking around at everything on the internet, from experts, fans of Wisconsin, fans of rival teams, and fans with no rooting interest, I see varied opinions.

I see plenty of people saying it’s a great move.
I see plenty of people thinking it won’t make much of a difference.
I see plenty of people like Ricardo here, who doesn’t know quite what to make of it.

And then there’s you. The fan of a rival team, whose irrational hatred of Bret Bielema causes him to take shots at him in nearly every comment (though congrats on this latest reply, not really any shot at all in there!). You, the one person who thinks this is a horrible move that no good coach would make.

But yeah, I’m sure you’re the objective one. Everyone else must just be ignoring all the great “evidence” and “logic” you’ve shown in this thread.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And how many times....

Have those coaches had the opportunity to bring an all-conference (albeit, the second worst BCS conference) player at their most glaring need position? One who is transferring not due to academic, behavioral, or performance problems, but due to the fact that his coach didn’t like him playing baseball?

Oh, never? Well then, sure, none of those “good” coaches have made this kind of move, because none of them have had the chance.

Great argument, buddy. I guess you win. A completely moronic and useless argument to win, but you win it nonetheless!

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ferentz makes the move

in the right season. For example, if Stanzi is a Senior in 2008, and he’s looking at a stacked roster with no proven QB coming back, he makes this move. He’s brought in JUCO guys, he’d bring in Wilson. He’s brought in JUCOs, I have no doubt he’d bring in Wilson.

Let’s also acknowledge what Wisky is getting here. He’s not a kid coming off drug arrests, or pouting because of a lack of playing time. He’s a high character player, with a sterling academic performance, who happened to be really good at two sports. It’s a great get on every level.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 27, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Couldn't agree more

I was amazed this morning, when the story broke that Russell would make his decision today, at the number of badger fans on various blogs and newspaper sites that were bashing Russell. Many people called him a “mercenary” or “thug” and some went so far as to say he was “A poison to the locker room, and lacked the character that personifies Wisconsin Football”.
It kind of irks me, and I am confident that I am not alone in this, that many people assume that Russell was kicked out of NC State or had some form of behavioral or compliance issue.
Sure there are some concerns, and as good as this deal sounds it is no guarantee that Wisconsin will win the “Busters” Division, let alone the B1G (Sidenote: I refuse to acknowledge that our divisions are named “Leaders” and “Legends”. I instead refer to them by the less ridiculous titles of “Dave” and “Busters”) But to turn your nose up at a player like Russell simply because of a stereotypical view of the type of person a transfer player usually is seems rather asinine to me.
So thank you Bama, for renewing my hope in the common sense of the college football community… And you’re a Hawkeye, I am floored. I mean that as the most sincere compliment I can muster.

by SNCBucky on Jun 27, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure those people were Badgers fans, and not just people commenting on a Wisconsin story?

Because I’ve seen plenty of those types of comments, but just about all from fans with no rooting interest, who couldn’t be bothered to read anything more than “transfer” and assume he must be the typical, bad-apple transfer.

Haven’t seen many like that from people claiming to be Badgers fans.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blame Canada

Or Iowa. Whichever is more convenient for you.

by mikjones24 on Jun 27, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said "fans with no rooting interest"

Clearly you guys have a rooting interest. I’m talking about the normal trash you get the big sports sites, where you’ll have tons of comments about every player is a “thug” or “gangsta”

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yahoo Sports has always been the worst to me

You’ll lose 20 IQ points reading through some of those comments. Double that if you dare to read the comments on political articles.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh heavens, you're RIGHT about Yahoo...

Ugh. Idiot central.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 27, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised that Wisconsinites would do that.

I lived in Milwaukee for five years and it never ceased to amaze me how many people would be calling for the heads of the coaches or the head office people in Green Bay or Madison when things looked reasonably good through an objectionable point of view.

That said. I think this really makes the Badgers the team to beat. As long as he understands his role, a QB like this only makes them better. Possibly more so than last year.

by agwbl on Jun 27, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Objective

I meant an objective point of view.

by agwbl on Jun 27, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike McCarthy sucks.

Bielema can’t coach. And Ned Yost was a freaking moron. At least I’m right about the last one.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 28, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

This Man

Is NOT smarter than a 5th Grader.

by SNCBucky on Jun 28, 2011 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and Allan Evridge may have been only the 2nd worst Big Ten QB of 2008.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 29, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ferentz has never brought in a one-season player.

Not to mention, Wilson is not a juco transfer.

Iowa recruits jucos (those with three to play two, or two to play two) far, far less than peer schools (e.g., ISU or KSU). One per year? 1.5, on average? So I don’t know where you get the facts to support your speculation. I’m expressing an opinion based on observations.

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by Bellanca on Jun 27, 2011 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I buy this with everyone

except Fickell. You might want a mulligan on that one.

by OctaShields on Jun 27, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

JUCO for 2

isn’t all that different than a former starter for 1. And Ferentz has done that when the right guy has been there (Banks, Yanda, etc).

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by Bama Hawkeye on Jun 27, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fickell makes this move in a second

Are you kidding me? With Joe Bauserman and a freshman that’s never taken a snap, Fickell would have loved to have this kid in there—a guy as athletic as Pryor, or close, with none of the off the field issues that Pryor dragged along with him.

Kill makes this move as well.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 27, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Paterno makes this move

…and then removes his mask to reveal he’s not Paterno.

…Because he’d never make this move, you see.

The joke is that it wouldn’t really be him.

…It’d be the guy wearing the mask

/Norm McDonald’d

by OctaShields on Jun 27, 2011 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I wouldn't worry too much about Wilson's interceptions

He threw 14 interceptions in 527 attempts last season, meaning he threw an interception in 2.65% of his attempts. Tolzien threw 6 interceptions in 266 attempts, 2.23%. Assuming he throws as many attempts as Tolzien and maintains his interception rate, he will throw one more interception than Scott, while providing another dimension to the offense.

I aim to misbehave

by stempke on Jun 27, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

You're totally right

if you think a guy can show up from the ACC, join an offense that is diametrically opposed to the one he ran previously, against defenses that are completely distinct, and perform identically with strangers. Totally correct.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Jun 27, 2011 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

rec’d

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by Gookin on Jun 27, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diametrically opposed?

They are both pro-style offenses

Bucky's 5th Quarter - All Badgers, all the time.

by Adam Tupitza on Jun 27, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

WUT? We are talking about the Russel Wilson from NC State right? I can’t remember a time when I didn’t see that guy in shotgun.

by mikjones24 on Jun 27, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Watching his highlights right now

Plenty of shotgun snaps, yes. But also a good mix of under the center, play action, etc.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not claiming to be an NC State expert

But I watched two of their games last year and their offense is not pro. At least, not in the sense that Wisconsin/Iowa is pro. I think it would be more appropriate to call it mixed. They definitely ran a spread more than an I but they indeed run some power stuff. It was a weird offense to say the least.

by mikjones24 on Jun 27, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But it seems like Bellanca was trying to insinuate that it would be like taking a college spread QB like Cam Newton who has never taken a snap under center, and trying to turn him into a pro-style QB in two months.

The reality is, he knows how to play the pro-style game. Just a matter of teaching him the plays now.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Granted, I have not watched much of NC State the last few years

But Tom O’Brien’s BC teams were always I Formation based offenses.

I aim to misbehave

by stempke on Jun 27, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the highlights I've been watching

Definitely a shotgun heavy approach with him. But not the typical college spread shotgun, more like what you would see in the NFL. And he’s not like Cam Newton – he doesn’t look uncomfortable lining up under center in the few highlights I’ve seen.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chemistry issues i understand.

However, don’t underestimate Russell Wilsons ability to learn and EXECUTE Wiscy’s playbook in impressive fashion. The kid can flat-out play Football.

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Jun 27, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The ever-present "Iowa Inferiority Complex"

Rears its ugly head once again. No need to base their arguments upon rational, unbiased analysis. Nope, if anything makes them irrelevant or second-fiddle, it is immediate cause for much kicking and screaming. Iowa is the bratty 6 year old with adenoids and an underbite constantly looking for the attention of those around him. Trust me, I’ve lived in the god-forsaken state for twenty years, and I pray every moment that my chance will arise to leave.

As for Mr. Bellanca’s lovely thoughts on both Mr. Wilson and Mr. Bielema, I can only reference one meme to express just how I feel about the situation.
God I’ve been waiting forever to drop some hate on the hawks.

by SNCBucky on Jun 27, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Love my city

and I don’t necessarily have much hate for the vast majority of the state. I even find some Iowa fans themselves to be tolerable. But in my experience growing up here, there are far to many jaded/butthurt hawks for me to put up with for another 20 years.

by SNCBucky on Jun 27, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hate to break this to you, but every state has those jaded/butthurt fans

So you will be very dissapointed when you move unless you move to Montana or something

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 28, 2011 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa's always irrelevant.

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by Jon Ross on Jun 29, 2011 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Some of the remarks are kind of odd

you guys get a quarterback that is head and shoulders above anything you’ve got on your roster, he’s a proven winner, is a freak of an athlete, by all accounts a model student athlete and you guys…are mad about it? And Bielema’s an idiot?

Really?

If this were Indy 500 qualification, Wisconsin just won the pole.

And just my opinion, but if Russell Wilson were an option via secret ballot, the only coaches that don’t take him are Fitz, Hoke, and maybe Zook and Dantonio. Everyone else jumps on this guy and doesn’t think twice about it.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 27, 2011 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

It's Bellanca, an Iowa fan

The only person I’ve seen on any site, in any comment section, who thinks it’s a “horrible” move that only a “bad” coach like Bielema would make. Kirk Ferentz would never take an all-conference transfer player at his greatest position of need, because he’s a good coach, or something. According to him, that is what the “evidence” and “logic” points to.

Yeah, thankfully at least a few other people like you have come here and backed me up on that. I was started to wonder if everyone but me had gone insane.

by Packers3485 on Jun 27, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Twitter my friend asked me if I was excited about getting Wilson. My response: super duper really fucking can’t wait for the season to start going to maul the big ten excited

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 27, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, good to see that most Wisconsin fans

are fired up about it. I would be.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 27, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fired up? Absolutely.

Still, the pessimist in me is trying hard to temper my expectations. Anytime pundits start predicting big things for us (the national champion banter is already going) I become very apprehensive. That being said, if Bucky delivers this season we have to seriously discuss whether or not they’re approaching Ohio State/Michigan/King of the Mountain territory.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 27, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fortunately for you

the pessimist in me is predicting we somehow piss this away and go through another crappy 2001-2009 period of alternating between mediocre and really-good-but-not-BCS-good. But if we do win this season we just have to avoid another overblown shoe scandal in order to stay up near the top.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 27, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

95% of Badger fans are excited, I promise

the other 5% are like “Wisconsin has a black QB now? weirddddd”

Bucky's 5th Quarter - All Badgers, all the time.

by Adam Tupitza on Jun 27, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahah

oh honesty

I learned something here

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by Graham Filler on Jun 28, 2011 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh heavens no, Ted.

I really like this move.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 27, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me help you out
Let’s take a look at who he is and venture some guesses about what his move to the Big Ten means for his new team and the conference as a whole.

It’s not f*cking good for the rest of us.

Article done!

by cwel87 on Jun 27, 2011 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Not unheard of

I don’t recall anyone freaking out about Brian Calhoun transferring for one year of eligability, and that worked out pretty well for all concerned. Is this a QB issue?

by Badger1313 on Jun 27, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Big, big difference

Calhoun transferred, sat out a year on the scout team (2004), and had two years of eligibility (he forewent his senior year in 2006). Whereas Calhoun had two training camps, a spring practice, a year of off-season conditioning, and a full season of practice, Wilson will have two months between the date of his transfer and his first snap.

Despite the pessimist in me I think Wilson will do just fine. But I remain guardedly optimistic.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 27, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, but...

The overall vitriol seems to be centered on whether this is a "classless"act by the coaching staff, which I just don’t see. The kid graduated NC State in 3 (or four – I have seen conflicting stories) years, so he’s proably pretty bright, and he certainly interviews well. Seems like a decent guy with a ton of talent. I am with you on the lack of prep time, but anyone who watched the spring game can appreciate the desperate need for a QB. So, why not?

By the way, loved the, “Wisconsin has a black QB, weird!” comment. But we do have a proud history of black QBs. Let us not forget the glory years of Don Morton and “The veer offense for winning football.”

by Badger1313 on Jun 27, 2011 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh yeah. I don’t address the strange vitriol in the article because I don’t feel it’s worth analyzing. That being said, I don’t get it. The kid’s not classless: he waited to make an informed decision about his future, graduated early, and leaves with nothing but praise from his former coaches. I’m excited to have a player with his class and talent joining the Great State University of Wisconsin. And wasn’t Wisconsin one of the first teams to have a black starting quarterback (way back in the 1950s)? Not that it’s relevant to anything.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 27, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wilson is a big get and makes Wisky a better team

but he isn’t a paradigm changer. Without Wilson, Wisconsin was probably good for 8-9 wins. With him, they get about 9-10 wins (pre-bowl). Probably enough to win the division and possibly the B1G, but doesn’t put them in the national title picture, there are just too many other holes that need to be plugged for that to be realistic

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 27, 2011 11:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ricardo

I’m not sure it’s worse to be possible than Allan Evridge. Evrdige was a Morelli redux, without the occasional good streaks of play that Morelli had (like, against Wisconsin in 2007. Grrr).

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 27, 2011 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, Evridge was terrible

And Minnesota STILL couldn’t win the axe. God DAMN Tim Brewster

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by Ted Glover on Jun 28, 2011 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sherer was taking snaps by then. But that was another game where Paul Chryst realized “oh wait. We’re Wisconsin. We should just bludgeon this other team to death.”

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 28, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that game.

TWO safeties. TWO. By a special teams and defense that had been absolutely abused in previous games. That was one of the more wild second halves I’ve seen out of Wisconsin.

Bad teams have trouble closing out games, and both Wisconsin and Minnesota were bad teams in 2008.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 28, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bielema finally had the good sense to toss out Evridge

after that 48-7 disaster against Penn State. The Badgers still got killed by Iowa the next week, but considering just how BAD Evridge was, even Sherer’s relatively flat play was a significant improvement.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 28, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I selfishly use these articles for cathartic purposes. This season expect multiple sarcastic references to Evridge and 2PCs.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 28, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are still things he needs to work out

For one, you have a southern QB moving to the cold north. I live in NC and it rarely gets below the mid 40s at the very coldest during the winter down here. did you Wisconsin fans see Miami during that game against yall a couple years back? That may effect his game towards the end of the season.

for another he has to learn a different offense, which is a little hard to do. and its a different style of football in the Big Ten that could lead to him ending up a failure just as easily as it could lead to his success. Also in the big ten we tend to tackle as opposed to trying to hug the other player with one arm like ACC defenders like to do.

Still, its better than the alternative………..well maybe, wait and see

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 28, 2011 2:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Considering that there will be, I think, one game after Thanksgiving

I doubt that weather will be much of an issue. September, October, and early November ain’t exactly cold in Wisconsin.

by Packers3485 on Jun 28, 2011 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

The biggest question is whether Wilson will play within the Wisconsin system

If he does, then things look good for Wisconsin. If he doesn’t, they may be in for a world of hurt. I live in Wilson’s hometown, the heart of ACC country. As a result, I’ve seen a lot more of his play than most around here. And he is an extremely talented player. However, at NCState, there wasn’t much talent around him, forcing Wilson to improvise and make plays as often as not. In the shotgun-heavy offense that State ran, this often meant running. The second things broke down, Wilson would often take off, usually to positive results. The key will be if he can learn the patience required to run Wisconsin’s offense. This isn’t as easy as it sounds, it means he has to go against his instincts and learned response to how things have been done in the past. If he can’t learn to do it, then Wisconsin will have real problems.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 28, 2011 10:23 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Hoya--

as a Gopher fan I’m pretty anxious about the whole Wilson thing. In your opinion, how well do you think Wilson does in Chryst’s offense?

by AhliBobwa on Jun 28, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't know

It’s one thing to learn a new system and execute it in practice; it’s entirely another to do so in the heat of the game. Not that I don’t think Wilson can’t do so, I really don’t know for certain either way, just that his inclination up til now has been to scramble around. It remains how much of that was instinct (almost impossible to overcome) or just a reaction to reality (much easier to change).

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 28, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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