B1G 2011//Wisconsin Point/Counterpoint: Does the Loss of Four All-Americans Necessarily Relegate Bucky to the Insight Bowl?
Before Sweater Vest Armageddon caused web servers the world over to short circuit, most pundits had tabbed the Badgers of Wisconsin to finish as the runner-up in the newly created yet stupidly named Leaders Division (some magazines did predict Penn State to grab second). With Ohio State facing a probable post-season ban (which, if similar to the USC sanctions, will include the inaugural B1G Championship Game), Wisconsin now finds itself soaking in the pre-season love to the point where some have speculated whether or not Bucky is a national title contender-the first time anyone has done so since Sportsline anointed UW #1 in its last preseason ranking in 2000 (and we all know how that season turned out…).
Before we stuff a backpack full of Schlitz and parade around State Street like it's Halloween 2002 we need to answer an important question: How will the Badgers replace a handful of all-Americans and a bunch of other difference-makers? The process of thinking through this answer will afford us an opportunity to look closely at the Badger roster and what kinds of schemes they might use this year.
Point: Ignore for a moment the fact that the Badgers stink whenever people drink the cardinal and white kool-aid in the preseason. Wisconsin loses far too many playmakers on either side of the ball. Believing Bucky has any chance of repeating last year’s performance means you’re either a homer or on a hallucinogen (or, in the case of those residing in the Lakeshore dorms, both).
J.J. Watt. Gabe Carimi. John Clay. Scott Tolzien. John Moffitt. Lance Kendricks. David Gilreath. Isaac Anderson. Blake Sorensen. Niles Brinkley. Jay Valai. Culmer St. Jean. By the time you read ‘Carimi’ you likely understood this was a list of Badgers who either started or made significant contributions to the team over the last few years, but are now gone. And a fairly impressive list: Watt, Carimi, Clay, Moffitt, and Kendricks each garnered some kind of all-American accolades, with Watt, Kendricks, and Carimi racking up post-season awards and Clay having earned a fairly prestigious conference award of his own in 2009. Gilreath, Sorensen, Brinkley, Valai, and St. Jean proved steady players who did whatever the coaching staff asked of them. And Tolzien pretty much ran offensive coordinator Paul Chryst’s offense to perfection.
The departures to graduation or the NFL, combined with changes on the coaching staff, leaves Bucky hamstrung. Too many units (offensive line, linebacking, defensive secondary) have been stripped of depth and experience and too much post-season hardware plundered that the Badgers should worry more about rebuilding and hoping for a January 2 bowl game (yes, all January 1 games have been bumped this year) against a middling squad from the ACC or SEC. An offense bereft proven playmakers and a defense that loses its leadership (in the form of both coordinator Dave Doeren and emotional leader J.J. Watt) spells Insight Bowl. Or Champs Sports Bowl. But forget about Indianapolis in December, and don’t dare have any illusions about Pasadena.
Counterpoint: What, me worry?
Let’s break this down unit-by-unit and sprinkle in some context.
Offensive line. Yes, Wisconsin must replace two all-Americans. But this is freaking Wisconsin! The likelihood of the Badgers NOT having a top-caliber offensive line is about as likely as there not being a 45-minute wait for creampuffs at the State Fair in August. Whether you like it or not, it’s happening. Wisconsin’s offensive line is so good a guy who didn’t even crack the starting five was drafted in April (Bill Nagy). They open holes so big that even OTE’s editorial staff would average 4.5 ypc in conference play.
Hyperbole aside, LT Carimi will be replaced by Ricky Wagner (who flips over from the right side where he started a year ago). Peter Konz returns at center, as does Zeitler at RG. Josh Ogelsby, a senior who started before suffering a rash of injuries, is projected at RT. If he can’t go mammoth freshman Rob Haverstein (as in Aaron Gibson big) might fill in. The only real unknown is Travis Frederick, a sophomore. To recap, despite losing two starters Bucky manages to bring back four starters. Konz is still the straw that stirs the drink. They might not pave the way for an offense that averages 67 ppg over its last three regular season contests, but they’ll be pretty damned good.
Receivers. Wisconsin does lose the aforementioned Isaac Anderson, David Gilreath, and Lance Kendricks. Cause for concern? Not really. Gilreath certainly made his fair share of plays (especially on the reverse), but his value was as a returner. Isaac Anderson disappointed. The Badgers return Jared Abbrederis, an underrated possession receiver ala the Fennimore Flash (Luke Swan, short guy that used to wear #1), and Nick Toon.
Tight end is where there should be a noticeable dip in production, but not as great as one would expect. Lance Kendricks made some important plays over the course of the season. But we have to remember that Wisconsin has actually enjoyed a fairly pronounced run of success at the position. We can go back to Owen Daniels, but let’s focus on 2008 when former Badger Joe Rudolph took over the tight ends job (yes, Nebraska fans, same Joe Rudolph). Rudolph inherited playmaker Travis Beckum, whom he lost to injury and then graduation in his first year on the job. All he did after that was coach up Garrett Graham (2009) and Lance Kendricks (2010) into all-conference performers (and then some). Does this mean projected replacements Jacob Pedersen or Jack Byrne are guaranteed success? Of course not. Just don’t be surprised if they’re plenty competent and maybe crack the conference’s second team.
Running back. Losing the 2009 Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year will hurt, but Bucky will retain the inside-outside combo in Montee Ball and James White that helps keep defensive fronts from stacking the box between the tackles (think back to what Brooks Bollinger and Mike Samuel did for Ron Dayne in 1998 and 1999, but what Michael Bennett could not do with Bollinger in 2000). While the loss of Clay will hurt the team’s depth more than anything else, the Badgers retain a veritable stable full of horses. In addition to the Ball and White combo, do not be shocked if true freshman Melvin Gordon (who played high school ball in the same division as Clay and might be the first Kenosha Bradford back to play at Wisconsin since Alan Ameche) makes the rotation. With the offensive line and returning runners the ground game will be just fine.
Quarterback. See yesterday’s article.
Defense. Line coach Charlie Patridge and defensive backs coach Chris Ash take over as co-coordinators for the departed (and not missed) Dave Doeren, who picks up Jerry Kill’s old job at Northern Illinois. With Ash calling the shots on game day, the in-house promotions ensure no major schematic changes. The only likely change will be more aggressive corner play, which should hopefully knock out a problem that killed the Badgers in their two losses (converting third-and-long).
Secondary. Wisconsin returns safety Aaron Henry (who recorded three defensive scores last season) and all-conference corner Antonio Fenelus, as well as former nickel back Devin Smith. Strong safety Shelton Johnson presents the only question mark as Jay Valai’s replacement. Valai was outstanding in run support but a liability in coverage. Like the move to playing more press coverage, this might help address the Achilles’ heel that was third-and-long defense in 2010. Josh Peprah and Marcus Cromartie, both the younger brothers of NFL defensive backs, will also figure in.
Linebackers. Gone are Culmer St. Jean and Blake Sorensen, two solid if unspectacular linebackers who did their jobs and little else. Rising star Mike Taylor comes back, as does senior Kevin Claxton. Claxton garnered plenty of playing time last season and is anything but inexperienced. The key is Chris Borland, the 2009 B1G Freshman of the Year. Borland comes off of knee surgery, but if he brings back any of the playmaking ability he showed that year we may very well be talking about a kid who will be all-conference and possibly on some pundits’ second or third team all-America lists. This unit will rise above its typical stuff-the-run responsibilities and be a real difference maker.
Defensive line. All-American J.J. Watt takes his 21 TFLs, leadership, and 22,000 Twitter followers to the NFL, leaving numerous holes in his wake. In 2010 only Watt regularly harassed the opponents’ quarterbacks. This coming season returns Louis Nzegwu at right end, with David Gilbert and Pat Muldoon competing for Watt’s old job. Gilbert has more experience and will likely start, but Muldoon probably possesses more playmaking ability. On the inside Jordan Kohout, a sophomore who started his freshman year, returns as does senior Patrick Butrym. Coaches expect Kohout and backup Beau Allen to impress. This unit is deep, has a history of being stout against the run (God knows they practice against it every single day), and is poised to dominate the line of scrimmage again.
But without Watt where’s the leadership? Where’s the pass rush? Expect the leadership to come from one of two places: Aaron Henry or Chris Borland. Both are responsible, hard-working, and man the middle of the defense. You want a pass rush? Borland proved himself a capable blitzer in 2009, able to get home when the coaches called his number. His absence last year did not allow Bucky to get into their "Badger package" (a 3-3-5 that masks where the pressure is coming from) as much as they would have liked. They will this year. Kohout and Allen have the chance to give UW its first legitimate inside pass rush since Anttaj Hawthorne patrolled the middle. With depth and experience, the defense will be a strength in 2011.
This week...
MONDAY | Wisconsin Cocktail Party Preview
TUESDAY | Point/Counterpoint
WEDNESDAY | 4th & 3
THURSDAY | OTE Potluck
FRIDAY | Keeping the Enemy Close - Rival Blogger Interview
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Frederick should be fine
Remember that he got a good number of reps during his freshman season and was the first true freshman to play in a season opener in school history. After getting some good playing time during his freshman season he redshirted last year and has apparently used the time well:
It’s difficult not to be excited about the team, especially after yesterday.
I want to know this too
Sounds like Cedarfest in East Lansing.

I believe this is the Halloween
where they lit cars on fire.
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Yup
I don’t remember if they lit any cars on fire, I just remember waking up Sunday morning and seeing a news article describing “rioting” in Madison. The evidence? A drunk guy dressed like Dancing Homer pointing at a police officer.
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by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 28, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
*A picture of a drunk guy dressed like Dancing Homer…
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by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 28, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Completely unrelated point
Up to this point, and notwithstanding the product on the field, Indiana had a decisive advantage in the quality of cheerleader that greeted you as you logged on to check out the site. I’m calling it a tie as of this week. Well done, Bucky. Well done.
by hoosierdaddynow on Jun 28, 2011 8:30 AM CDT reply actions
The Wisconsin cheerleader is cute and wholesome and all but I fear
she comes up short in at least two important cheerleader qualities – fun bags and trunk junk.
Having tailgated in Madison on multiple occasions, Wisconsin coeds are usually well represented in both areas. I recommend a strict brat, cheese and Leinenkugel until the start of the football season. She could be the John Clay of Big Ten cheerleaders.
"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
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She could be the John Clay of Big Ten cheerleaders
more like this

"Make it tasteful, but dongier" - Blackheartnopants
by Kluginator on Jun 28, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What?
No 200+ posts debating if cheerleading is a sport while a hot cheerleader is reading it?
by biggy84 on Jun 28, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hahaha
sad, but Rec’d
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 28, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
it kinda sounds like I want to hang out at the lakeshore dorms...
I’ll just throw that out there
by Fake Pelini on Jun 28, 2011 8:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You do. Believe me, you do.
"That chick was like, the Pele of anal."
by Bob Genghiskhan on Jun 28, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
With all of its losses from this year
If wisconsin can reload this year, with such a young coach, a rising profile, and dorms full homers doing shrooms, wisconsin could potentially be looking at its first national title within the next 5-10 yrs.
That is, of course, if Nebraska doesn’t win all those 5-10 nat’l titles, which is a toss-up.
by Fake Pelini on Jun 28, 2011 9:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I know the Scarlet and Grey Kool-Aid tastes like burning
But don’t count them out yet. I’d love to see Wisky win the X (or O?) division, but Brutus won’t go down without a fight.
Just because they lost their head coach and QB (and some other players for a few games) doesn’t mean they’re out of the game. Tressel’s staff is still there, and they’re still teaching good football.
Just my $0.02
Wisconsin will be good.
I mean, really good.
But national title contenders? Let them at least play one game before making that jump.
Stop lacing the Cardinal and White Kool-Aid with the stuff UofM uses…it’s made them bat-shit crazy over the years.
Speaking as an Iowa fan (and former Madisonian) . . .
Beware the accolades of June.
Iowa and UW are virtual mirror programs – and much like my beloved Hawkeyes, the Badgers do best when coming from just a bit under the radar. On paper, I love this Wisconsin team. But on paper, I still think 2010 Iowa was a Top 10 team.
It will be interesting to see how the Bielema-led Badgers do with the bright shiny target on their back and the weight of expectation in a post-Buckeye implosion world.
I’m thinking a “disappointing” 8 or so win season – which most years would be good enough in dairyland, but will leave the locals as sour as a pail of milk on a hot August day come the end of November.
If only games could end midway through the 4th quarter
Iowa might have won the MNC. I’m not sure how much I’m joking.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by ckmneon on Jun 28, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
8 wins is no longer good enough in Dairyland.
9 is on the disappointing side of adequate.
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by Bob Genghiskhan on Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Have to agree with Torbee // Borland's injury
Tough to live up to high June/July expectations.
Also – Wasn’t Borland’s injury a shoulder, not a knee? I never heard of him with a bum wheel, just his wing. He dislocated a shoulder in 2009 and then broke something last season in the 1st series of the Michigan State game. He skipped spring practice to let it heal. When healthy, he’s a monster.
by BigAppleBucky on Jun 30, 2011 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Sconnie's gonna be good.
This has to be the most intriguing year of B1G football in decades.
My litmus test for 2011 Wisconsin success: piss-pound UNL, that is all.
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Pre-season accolades are always warranted and should be taken as gospel
“I mean, look how it worked out for me, right?! 2x Preseason Player of the Year in the house, represent”

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Co-coordinators
Bad idea, you’re doomed. And while there is talent coming in, especially on the defensive side, I think you are more than a little overly optimistic about simply plugging in guys to replace multi-year starters. That kind of experience is impossible to duplicate.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jun 28, 2011 10:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Re: Co-Coordinators
Jay Paterno and Galen Hall disagree. Then agree. Then they call it down to McQuery, who tells Joe. Joe yells at him, and we get a delay of game.
by OctaShields on Jun 28, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't go telling everyone the strategy
That’s how you get 6 straight seasons of .500 or better in Big Ten play. Only other team to do this (actively): Ohio State, and that might change after the NCAA meets
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you're the only one
it isn’t slight
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer tri-coordiantors. Co-coordinators doesn't really roll off the tongue.
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by babaoreally on Jun 28, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
To answer the question
Yes
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
If Bucky would’ve had to roll with Jon Budmayr, yes. Now your only question is replacing St. Jean and Watt on the defensive line. Do that, and you guys are a BCS team.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Best part of Borland coming back: The Badger Package.
It’s the 3-3-5 scheme Dorean implemented last year, but it just wasn’t as effective without him. Check out this from last September.
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He said package huh huh huh huh
/beavis and butthead’ed
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
We actually had the personnel to run that scheme.
Unlike LOLMICHIGAN.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 28, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair, I’m not sure Michigan had the personnel to run any defensive scheme appropriately.
by Estrada on Jun 29, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know; that 1-1-9 package might have worked.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 29, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
but it works so well in Goal Line Blitz
/obscure browser game reference
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by Pariahwulfen on Jun 29, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
"In addition to the Ball and White combo, do not be shocked if true freshman Melvin Gordon...makes the rotation."
Gordon might play, but redshirt freshman Jeff Lewis is the third back to watch for this season.
Is this the same Gordon Badger fans said could only play defense . . .
While he was (temporarily) committed to Iowa?
; – )
Indeed it is
Funny how the mere change of schools has turned him into a cant-miss RB prospect
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by HoyaGoon on Jun 28, 2011 12:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You forgot a part of the claim...
It wasn’t “Gordon can only play defense.”, it was “Gordon can only play defense if he wants to avoid the inevitable ACL explosion that befalls all Iowa running backs.”
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by Bob Genghiskhan on Jun 28, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smart kid to avoid AIRBHG.
Will work for football.
by purwho on Jun 28, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn. Insult added to someone else's injury.
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 28, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, until you guys fire the man and send him off to U$C
guys like Gordon will continue to slip right through Tarkin’s Ferentz’s fingers.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 28, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
AIRBHG is not a state of Iowa employee
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 28, 2011 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever.
Send him off to U$C anyway. They don’t need healthy running backs.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 28, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell me how. Now! Tell me how to rid AIRBHG!!!!
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by BentNotBroken on Jun 28, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He could only play defense
against the AIRBHG.
It probably wouldn’t have worked.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 28, 2011 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm taking a wait and see approach to Wisconsin
They’re a good program under Bielema, but they’re not quite “reload, not rebuild” good imo. Wisconsin strikes me as the kind of school that has a down year every 3 to 4 years when they lose experience/talent at the top of the depth chart.
However! they have experience where it’s most important and I’m not really that enamored with anyone else in their division. If OSU does get banned from the conference title, that leaves PSU as their chief competition.
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I’m thinking they’re getting ready to move from “rebuild to reload” good. I touch on it tomorrow. But you’re right- if you look at what they’ve done historically there are clear historical arcs. Basically, they won in 1993 and got recruits who joined in either 1994 or 1995. They matured over a 3-5 year period and won two Rose Bowls. The guys they got after the 1998 and 1999 seasons matured and nearly produced a Rose Bowl in 2004. Two very distinct periods where you can almost visibly see how the on-field talent crescendos.
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