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B1G 2011//From Barry to Bielema: Is Bucky Ready To Stake His Claim To the Conference’s Elite?

On Wednesdays OTE does one of two things: a 4th-and-3 feature or a wild card left to the writer’s imagination. Given that 4th-and-3 (one play to get three yards or else) shares far too much in common with a two point conversion, I decided not writing an article called "Wisconsin Alumnus Engages in Self-Flagellation" to be in the interests of my health.

Instead, I will pick up the theme we began last week with Michigan State, where Ted Glover asked whether or not the Spartans are ready to make the leap to the conference’s upper echelon. Today we’ll continue that discussion, looking at the Wisconsin program and seeing if they're ready not only to take up permanent residence at the top of the conference, but also establish itself as a football power on an annual basis. And if they’re not, what do they have to do to get there?

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 Badger Football: An Historical Context

Before Barry notched the first of his three Rose Bowl victories, did anyone anywhere have any positive memories of Wisconsin football (with the notable exception of Kenosha native Allan Ameche’s Heisman)? After getting that first victory in Pasadena Bucky went into a slight slumber over the next four years, slumming it in the Hall of Fame Bowl and the Copper Bowl, while missing the post-season entirely in 1995. This was all of course a mere prelude to the great two-year period of 1998-1999 when Ron Dayne ascended to the top of the NCAA’s all-time rushing list, grabbed the school’s second Heisman trophy, and Wisconsin became the only Big Ten team ever to win consecutive Rose Bowls. It was at this point the Badgers seemed poised to join Michigan and Ohio State atop the conference as a perennial contender. Sportsline went so far as to pick Wisconsin as its pre-season favorite for the national title. But they didn’t make the jump. What happened?

 This is why I laugh when Ohio State fans naively believe the NCAA will be any bit forgiving when the hammer comes down. Shoes. The Shoe Box is a store located in Black Earth, Wisconsin, about ten miles northwest of Madison. My late cousin, a former student at UW (1996-2001), told me he and his friends would drive out there to buy shoes. In fact, many people made the trip. Why? Because the store’s owners would almost always cut you a deal of some kind. Apparently a large number of Wisconsin football players likewise did their shopping in Black Earth. Instead of realizing that this was a family operation that relied on word-of-mouth advertising and customer loyalty to drive their business, the NCAA came in and declared "unadvertised discounts are improper benefits," and slapped the Badgers with multiple player suspensions ranging from one to three games per. Oh, one other thing: they announced the suspensions eight hours before the first game of the season. Meaning the coaches had about 45 minutes to decide who would serve their suspension that game and then implement the necessary changes to the game plan. That’s right: Peter Warrick was suspended two games by Florida State (not the NCAA) after being charged with misdemeanor theft. And Badger All-American Jamar Fletcher? Three games (from the NCAA overlords) for getting a few dollars off a pair of shoes.

 This episode, as overblown as it may have been, points to larger problem, a little known secret that may result in the university revoking my degree: Barry was beginning to lose control of the program. A good coach keeps his ear to the ground and snuffs out these kinds of problems before the NCAA even has a chance to overreact. While the 2000 season was on life-support before it could even begin, the Badgers returned a boatload of talent in 2001 and 2002 that should have left them poised for more runs to the roses. In 2001 they missed the post-season completely (and also allowed Indiana to hang 63 in Camp Randall. Indiana! No amount of excuses can explain that away.) and then underachieved their way to an Alamo Bowl in 2002. A poor record in games decided by seven points or fewer (2-3 in 2001, 2-4 in 2002 with the two victories coming at home against Fresno State and Northern Illinois) marked this period, pointing to a lack of mental toughness and discipline. A rash of arrests in 2001 furthers the argument that Barry’s grip was slipping.

 The 2003 season saw some order restored, but it ultimately summed up the frustration that is Wisconsin football. After snapping Ohio State’s 19-game win streak on an epic night at Camp Randall (personal aside: I’ve never in my life felt sports pull a community together the way that game did. The whole week leading up to the game there was this unexplainable buzz on campus; everyone could sense something big was coming. Practically every person you ran into that week was a little giddy. Then again it’s Madison- they may as well have just been drunk and/or high.), the Badgers summarily dropped their next three including three-point losses against Purdue and at Minnesota. Losing by a field goal? Brings us right back to that discussion on being mentally tough. The 2004 Badgers looked like they had righted the ship, riding a shut-down defense that didn’t let anyone move the ball against them and sent Purdue football back to the realm of the irrelevant (since the Orton fumble has anyone paid the Boilermakers any attention? No.). After thrashing Minnesota and placing their death grip on the Axe, the Badgers stopped playing football: consecutive bad losses at Michigan State and at Iowa dropped the Badgers out of title contention and into the Outback Bowl (a loss to Georgia).

 Before the 2005 season began Barry announced it would be his last. That year might have been Barry’s tenure in a nutshell: Emotional, last minute victory against Michigan to open conference play, a victory over Minnesota, inexcusable losses to Northwestern and Iowa, and then an upset of Auburn in the Capital One Bowl. Always competitive, always a tough out, always on the cusp, but almost never over the top.

 Enter Bielema

Bret Bielema signed on as Barry’s defensive coordinator in 2004 and took the helm in 2006. His inaugural season once again left us thinking: are we primed for the big time? With the exception of one slip up against Michigan (in a game that was far more competitive than its 27-13 final would indicate), the Badgers generally laid waste to the rest of the conference and won the only three games they played decided by a touchdown or less. The consensus: Wisconsin is back to playing tough, physically and mentally. With a shutdown defense composed largely of sophomores, domination is to be expected in 2007 and 2008.

 Wow. Were we wrong. The 2007 season disappointed, beginning with the idiotic decision to open the season in all red uniforms and culminating in getting burned by Eric Ainge in the Outback Bowl. Cause for concern was more apparent than it initially seemed: for maybe the first time since Alvarez took over, the team completely capitulated in a blowout loss at Happy Valley, with only Deandre Levy playing like he gave a damn in the second half. The team had suffered its share of blowouts over the previous fifteen years, but there was always some defiance, some fight. Not that day. The bottom completely fell out in 2008: the Evridge pick six in Ann Arbor (for which I had a front row seat…), the collapse against Ohio State, zero resistance against either Penn State or Iowa, and needing not just overtime, not just heroics, but also a bevy of missed extra points against… Cal Poly! On Senior Day! The Badgers then humiliated themselves against Florida State in the Champs Sports Bowl.

 While Alvarez had restored some of the program’s pride and stability for the period 2004-2006 (Barry left the program in great shape; the new guy screwed it up), Bielema’s second two years took us back to the dark days of 2001: no accountability, no responsibility, mentally checked out. Which is exactly why 2009 is so damned important. Players like O’Brien Schofield, Chris Maragos, and Gabe Carimi assumed leadership roles. There were the frustrating games: losing a winnable game against Iowa and allowing Northwestern to continue its Ryan Field winning streak. But instead of tanking after two tough losses like the 2008 team did, the Badgers responded to the Iowa loss with a thrashing of Purdue. John Clay and Chris Borland won post-season awards. And the Badgers returned to the Champs Sports Bowl to play against an ACC team from Florida. This time, though, they thoroughly dominated Miami everywhere but the scoreboard (the final score was 20-14; the Badger defense surrendered one late score and the offensive line pushed around Miami all game long). One thing stands out about on-field celebration: it was far more pronounced than it was after either of the Capital One Bowl triumphs. The reason? The team set out to restore the program’s pride. It did just that. Responsibility and toughness were also back.

 From this perspective you can see how the 2010 was pointed towards Pasadena. After the slipup against Michigan State (where players reportedly vowed, as they were leaving the field, they would not let another team play that physically against them again), the team accepted responsibility and plowed forward. When people think back to the upset of Ohio State they remember the 21-0 lead and John Clay running roughshod into the Buckeye secondary. What should they remember? Wisconsin’s first drive in the fourth quarter. After watching the huge spread shrink to just three, the Badgers did not panic. They coolly converted their third downs and registered their first real gut-check drive of the season with James White scoring the touchdown that broke Ohio State’s back. A team so depleted its third-string running back was running routes as a slot receiver, Wisconsin repeated the feat a week later in Iowa City, scoring the go-ahead touchdown with 58 seconds remaining. I do not believe I’ve seen a more mentally tough Badger squad than the 2010 version. Not only that: they were back to bullying teams the way they in 1998 and 1999, as evidenced by the second half in Ann Arbor.

 This is why the Rose Bowl was so deflating. Leave aside Dave Doeren’s foolish defensive formations that allowed TCU (and Michigan State and Iowa) to convert multiple third-and-longs, Paul Chryst eschewing the run against an undersized front that was gassed midway through the second quarter (if I told you Wisconsin would control the ball for over thirty six minutes and average five yards per carry, what would you have guessed was the result?), or even the ridiculous pass interference call that saved the Horned Frogs’ third touchdown drive.  Wisconsin left nine points on the field because of execution: Nick Toon’s drop on the opening drive, Philip Welch’s missed field goal in the second quarter, and Tolzien’s pass not being high enough. Those mental mistakes, which had largely disappeared throughout the 2010 season, cost the Badgers nine points in a game they lost by two.

 Heading into 2011: Would the real Bielema please stand up?

If we put the Rose Bowl to one side and evaluate Bielema’s tenure to this point, we see a young coach who’s learned from his mistakes and now realizes what it takes to be successful. I feel he paid his dues in 2009, learning how to keep a team focused and motivated on a weekly basis. He repeated the deed in 2010. If this is the real Bielema, one that demands responsibility of his players and instills toughness in them, then Wisconsin is probably ready to rise.

 But what’s so special about Wisconsin this time around? Didn’t they win back-to-back Rose Bowls and fail to make the jump? What makes us think the Badgers won’t go back into a 2000-2001 tailspin? Several things. Firstly, there’s no Shoe Scandal II on the horizon (I pray not). There is little to no likelihood of the team essentially forfeiting a season because of the NCAA’s overzealousness in prosecuting minor offenses to the fullest extent possibly while ignoring the SEC’s habitual over-recruiting. Secondly, as I went to great pains to point out above, the evidence at hand shows that Bielema has a tighter grip on the program than did Alvarez when things started to unravel. Third, Wisconsin now has a higher national profile than it did a decade earlier. Much of this is the result of Alvarez laying the groundwork he did.

 Consider: while Barry was in charge the team focused its recruiting efforts on a) Wisconsin, b) Minnesota, c) Chicagoland, and would make occasional forays into the greater Pennsylvania area, St. Louis, and Ohio. Several things have changed in the last decade. Firstly, the quality of Wisconsin high school football has improved greatly meaning the Badgers’ home base is stronger than ever. The Badgers still mine Ohio, the East Coast, and Minnesota, but they’ve cast their net far wider than before. Recently they have made forays into SEC country (primarily Florida, but also Georgia), Texas, they have done better in Ohio, and are now building networks in California (that have already netted one recruiting coup). Oh, and Russell Wilson picked Madison because in his estimation it was the place that would best allow him to showcase his talents for the NFL.

 The fourth reason Wisconsin is in a better position today is conference flux. With the coming of a conference championship game you no longer need to go 7-1 or 8-0 in conference to win the league. Alternatively, going 7-1 or 8-0 no longer guarantees you a trip to Pasadena. You need only win your division. Normally this would not mean too much but for the fact that Wisconsin’s main competition will be Ohio State. Wisconsin historically plays Ohio State tough. And now Ohio State is in a bit of a lurch. The Badgers find themselves in a position to really put their stamp on the division, and through that, the conference.

 With Bielema growing into a very good coach, the Wisconsin brand garnering more luster, increased recruiting ability, and its main competition hamstrung for the short-term, the Badgers are plenty ready to stake their claim as a perennial conference power. Now Bielema just needs to win a BCS game…

 

 

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Yup. Shoulda ran the ball.

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by BentNotBroken on Jun 29, 2011 7:31 AM CDT reply actions  

That's not what the card said....

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by Ted Glover on Jun 29, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Paul Chryst dont care.

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On, Wisconsin!

by John Veldhuis on Jun 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

GO FOR TWO!

We're gonna go America all over their asses!

by ninerhawk on Jun 29, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'll pass

/dives for cover

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Jun 29, 2011 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is this "pass" you speak of?

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by John Veldhuis on Jun 29, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

you sunsabitches better not take this out of context..

There’s one thing Wisconsin needs to be considered to be in the top echelon of the big ten. The national title. Yes Minnesota has them, Yes Illinois has them, but none of those came after hitler died.

Point is, if you look at Michigan, Penn St, and NU since winning their last respective titles, their stories have been similar to Wisconsin’s.

Rocky seasons, bad coaches(except PSU,) and so on. Yet here we are, the other day I read someone call them the big 4.

So if Wisky is to be taken into that top level, it really needs a national title, which, the way things are going, could happen within the next 5 years.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 29, 2011 8:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

ha

We won’t

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by Graham Filler on Jun 29, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

ding ding

As the first guy to not read the heading and took what I said out of context, you are our winner! You win a free flight to Ciudad Juarez and a gold star sticker.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 29, 2011 8:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think you understand what out of context means.

You made up your own standards of what would qualify a team to be in the upper echelon of the conference. What is the statue of limitations on being able to claim a national title making you in that tier? 10 years? 15? At some point what you pulled off when Bill Clinton was in office stops really being relevant as to what your team is today. Using your logic, in the past decade only the following teams can be considered as the elites in their conferences: Auburn, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Texas, USC, tOSU, Miami, and OU. Oregon, despite winning at least 10 games the last three seasons and playing in the National Championship Game cannot be considered an elite member of the Pac-12 because they’ve never won a championship. They’ve won 99 games since 2000. That’s five more than Nebraska. Your standards are idiotic.

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by U-God on Jun 29, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ok let's include Oregon and Illinois in the elites if it makes you feel better.

It seems that’s really the reason you’re mad, Illinois isn’t in a conversation and you feel the need to bash Nebraska because their last championship came a little over 10 yrs age in a division of football in which over 100+ schools compete and there are easily 20-30 very good schools each and every year, making the argument that “you haven’t won a title in over 10 years!” utterly stupid and irrelevant.

There’s a reason the JoePas, Tom Osbornes, Bear Bryants of the world are known and will continue to be known as legendary coaches for years to come, so pull ur head out of ur ass, realize this isn’t about Nebraska, it never was, its about what its going to take for people outside big ten country to take notice of Wisconsin as an elite instead of just another big name by nature of being a BCS school.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 29, 2011 11:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

This has nothing to do with Illinois.

I know my alma mater has a middle of the road football program. I don’t lost sleep over it.

The national title declaration has been pretty much your main argument as to what makes a team elite or not. A school can be considered elite without having won a national championship in their past.

I’m not saying Nebraska sucks or that they’re terrible. They are a good team. But you keep insisting that they’re somehow entitled to being considered one of the top programs in current football because of their storied past. It doesn’t work like that.

And in regards to

its about what its going to take for people outside big ten country to take notice of Wisconsin as an elite instead of just another big name by nature of being a BCS school
no one outside of the Midwest has given a shit about Nebraska in a while.

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by U-God on Jun 29, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe this will work for you

There is quite the difference between a program and a team. By your standards(team) wisconsin is elite, because they won the big ten. By my standards(program) wisconsin is not yet an elite because they haven’t won a national title.

If they won the big ten, why the hell even ask if they’re elite in the big ten on a team standard? Why the hell does the word elite even exist? If not to the synonimous with the current champ of ____ conference in ____ sport?

If you look at the program though, they’re a great program, great tradition, I’m sure the fanbase is great as well, however, no cigar. When the entire AP/Coaches poll can claim “I’m a great team that didn’t win the national title”, then you’re not elite. Great, yeah, but not elite.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 29, 2011 12:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wanna go

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by Graham Filler on Jun 29, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're going,

I’m in.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 29, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are players

who have never known what Minnesota winning Paul Bunyan’s Axe is like.

The last time? October 22nd, 1994.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 29, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're right

I didn’t have time to wikipedia a more appropriate event for a date to go with, but you get the point.

by Fake Pelini on Jun 29, 2011 12:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What must Bucky do to become a conference elite? Why, follow Coach Bielma's leg tattoo'd advice is all:

Believe and Achieve indeed.

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by BuckeyeSki on Jun 29, 2011 8:40 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I would be totally geeked...

…to see Wisky and MSU in the first conference championship game. It would have media ravings immediately.
If Wisky wins against MSU earlier in the season, it would be considered the ‘tiebreaker’ game (MSU won last year, Wisky this year). If MSU wins against Wisky earlier in the season, it would be the ‘revenge’ game on neutral ground.

I just can’t see Nebraska winning the conference division. Not because they don’t have the talent, but because MSU, Iowa, NW, UM(?), etc will refuse to let the new guy come in and run the show.

Sorry. Nuh uh. Not gonna happen.

by SpartyFever on Jun 29, 2011 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd love to see Iowa vs Wisky in the 1st B10 championship game.

They wouldn’t have played each other during the season, and the B10 CG could also be for the Heartland Trophy. Since Iowa and Wisconsin have an even record against each other it would also be for the lead in the all time series.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Trophy

Plus, the week before Iowa will have played (and hopefully won) at Nebraska in a high profile game the Friday after Thanksgiving.

by HawkeyeRecon on Jun 29, 2011 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Which I bring up

because this game will always come to mind when I am evaluating Bret Bielema as a coach.

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by Seer on Jun 29, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

one of those 'learning experiences' for Bielema

He’s certainly matured as a coach since that debacle of a coaching performance

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by Adam Tupitza on Jun 29, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm never sure what 'elite' means in these conversations

I also have some difficulty with the term ‘program’.

So I have two questions: What are the factors that contribute to elite-ness? What is the time frame under consideration when discussing a program?

Probably both of these concepts are irreparably vague, but it would be interesting to get different readers’ impressions of how they subjectively measure them.

by njd on Jun 29, 2011 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

"Elite" means Nebraska

The factors are whichever are needed to allow Fake Pelini to keep claiming Nebraska is elite

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by HoyaGoon on Jun 29, 2011 1:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Nebraska is elite

In the same way that Miami, Florida State, and Oklahoma are elite.

They’re a sleeping giant.

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by rockyh on Jun 30, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference between what MSU is doing and what Wisonsin is doing

is MSU is trying to get into the upper half, to just be mentioned as one of the better teams in the big ten alongside the Ohio States, Wisconsins, Penn States and Iowas, aka the 8 wins is a huge disappointment club, while Wisconsin seems to be trying to be the best in the conference aka the no big ten title is a disappointment club currently inhabited by OSU and no one else really.

Neither one is quite there yet, but both are at least trying.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 29, 2011 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

and no, nebraska isnt part of that club pelini

you have to play a big ten season before you get to be apart of either club. For all we know you could go winless in the BIG.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 29, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha true

But will that change if they post the same record this year as last year? (10 wins) so to provide a reference point as to where they are compared to everyone else in the b10?

by Fake Pelini on Jun 29, 2011 12:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Nebraska can win 7 or more of these games in the big ten

then yes, but you shouldnt be crowned 2011 big ten champs until you guys actually win a few against big ten teams.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 29, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

im not giving you the 10 wins thing

because your nonconference is really weak this year. when Fresno State is the hardest team you play……thats not good.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 29, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

NU is and will be middle of the pack til then. See you black friday

by Fake Pelini on Jun 29, 2011 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hey now....

NU has won three Big Ten titles since 1993 (more than Iowa, Michigan State, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, or Minnesota; as many as Penn State; behind only Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio State). NU is decidely not middle of the pack.

(Oh, you were referring to University of Nebraksa? In that case….yes, they’re decidely mediocre.)

by Chadnudj on Jun 29, 2011 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Don’t confuse NU with jNU

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by rockyh on Jun 30, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wisconsin and MSU

These are two really interesting programs, based on recent trajectory and the rest of the conference. MSU under Dantonio has already made the leap from ‘no bowl more often than not’ to ‘perennial bowl game’; they may already be in the top half of the conference, though we won’t have definitive evidence one way or the other for a few years yet. Wisconsin, meanwhile, can make a real claim to having the healthiest program in the conference going forward.

by njd on Jun 29, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya gotta win the bowls though

not just show up and get your gift baskets. thats whats really keeping MSU down from a national perspective. that and real quality wins. one quality win can be a “fluke”, but two or more is harder to dispute.

by justsomehawkeyefan on Jun 29, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see

Wisky lost a lot of leadership from last year’s team, guys that had been there during the 2007 and 2008 dark times. It remains to be seen if this new-found mental toughness was a product of the coach, or the players. If its the latter, then Wisconsin could slide back a ways the second they face some adversity this year.

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by HoyaGoon on Jun 29, 2011 1:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, the players that remain went through the adversity last year. Losing their first conference game – after that one, I thought “here we go again, another season of under-achieving.” Pulling out the great win at Iowa after the big win against Ohio State (avoiding the letdown after big wins seemed to be impossible for the Badgers of years past.) Fighting to come back in the Rose Bowl despite Chryst’s horrible play-calling.

Definitely lost some great leadership in Watt, Tolzien, Carimi, etc. But I think the experience of going through last season has probably produced some new leaders. Guys who know what it takes to get back to where they were.

by Packers3485 on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly

But I’ve found it far more common amongst young players who had almost immediate success to get complacent and come to expect just to win, only to fold up shop the second they face adversity. Right now, we just don’t know which way your younger players will break. But that’s why any talk of Bielema having surmounted this last obstacle is wildly speculative and premature.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Jun 29, 2011 3:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Even though we'll have a decent number of "new" starters

It’s not like all these guys were just on the team for last year. This year’s seniors and redshirt juniors were all a part of the horrible 2008 season. The juniors and redshirt sophomores all remember the back to back losses against OSU and Iowa after they finally got ranked the first time that year, and losing at Northwestern after they had climbed back up to #14 in the rankings.

Just because they had success last year doesn’t mean they forgot what it’s like to lose.

by Packers3485 on Jun 29, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

  • The juniors/redshirt soph. comment is about the 2009 season, not 2008. I am apparently an incompetent writer.

by Packers3485 on Jun 29, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

2003 Ohio State night game

Happened to be my freshman year at Madison. My time before the game was spent at a house across the street from Camp Randall, in a keg race (two teams of about 12, each working on a quarter-keg). I happened to be on the team with the 6’4", 240+ lb senior with the legendary drinking reputation. Which resulted in the both of us chugging, then immediately refilling and chugging, about 9 beers in a row. (For comparisons sake, I was 5’10, about 160 pounds).

Needless to say, easily the drunkest moment of my life. The first moment where I came out of my drunken haze/blackout was singing “Varsity” in the rain. Thankfully, that means I was fully conscious for the Lee Evans, game winning bomb. Awesome night.

And that, my friends, is Madison in a nutshell.

by Packers3485 on Jun 29, 2011 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Robert Reynolds got all choked up upon reading that recap Packers

wait, that doesnt sound right…..

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 29, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hence the doesnt sound right

however, bad joke is bad

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 29, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, I've always enjoyed a good Sorgi joke....perhaps because Sorgi is a joke.

My father’s a big Ohio State fan, so I’ve reminded him of that incident plenty of times. Though these last few months have provided me with a little more material… :P

by Packers3485 on Jun 29, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Sorgi has a SB ring

Trent Dilfer approves.

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by Ted Glover on Jun 29, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you what Jaws, THAT GUY sure can hold a clipboard!!!!

I haven’t seen sign language THAT GOOD since Marlee Matlin guest starred on SVU!!!!

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Jun 29, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorgi is the number one leader in passing efficiency at Wisconsin for one reason and one only.

LEE EVANS’S 2003 SEASON.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 29, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, the Michigan State game that year....

Best sporting performance I’ve seen in person (albeit, I haven’t been to all that many outside of time at Madison)….258 yards, 5 TDs, and some absolutely ridiculous catches.

by Packers3485 on Jun 30, 2011 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the post

I think you list every loss to Iowa in the last 20 years, get pissed off about it and call it winnable. You do realize that Iowa has put some really good teams on the field in that time, right? And when two really good teams meet, one of them is going to lose, right?

Sheesh.

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by Flakbait on Jun 29, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly.

Except for the part where I don’t. Except for calling the 2005 Hawkeyes mediocre (which they were) and calling the 2009 game winnable (which, after being up 10-0 at home, it was) I do not even insinuate that any other losses were winnable. I’m on record as being a fan of and having great respect for Iowa. I even infer that the 2004 and 2008 Badgers weren’t even in the same zip code as Iowa (which they weren’t).

So, thank you for twisting my words and drawing the conclusion you, and only you, manged to concoct.

by Ricardo Efendi on Jun 29, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. 2009 was very winnable for Wisconsin

Until Clay went down. Game changer. Credit Iowa for coming back, but they definitely let that one slip away.

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by John Veldhuis on Jun 29, 2011 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough question to answer.

The homer in me wants to believe that another big year in 2011 will install the Badgers fully into the upper tier of the conference. But I just need to see a BCS bowl win first.

Fortunately, I think they’re closer than they ever have been. 2011 is a huge year for the whole program.

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by John Veldhuis on Jun 29, 2011 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

The 2007 season disappointed, beginning with the idiotic decision to open the season in all red uniforms and culminating in getting burned by Eric Ainge in the Outback Bowl.

Wrong, sir. Wrong. I loved the all-reds.

Fixing that for you…

The 2007 season disappointed, beginning with below-average efforts against Washington State and The Citadel, and culminating in getting burned by Eric Ainge in the Outback Bowl.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 29, 2011 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I know I'm coming late to this thread . . .

But this has been bugging me for weeks.

I think the entire “will Team X become elite” question is silly.

Unless you blatantly cheat like OSU – no team in the Big 10 is going to take up permanent residence at the top. Ever since the Big 2 Little 8 was broken up in the 80s (thanks Saint Hayden!), there have been regular ebbs and flows by teams like UW, Iowa, Michigan State, Penn State and even Illinois. Each time one of them has a couple good years, the old debate begins Are They Ready To Permanently Take A Spot Among the Conference Elite?

And each time the answer has been no. Wisconsin’s Rose Bowl wins didn’t do it. Ferentz’ three consecutive top 10 finishes didn’t do it. Penn State’s re-emergence didn’t do it. And neither Michigan State or Wisconsin are going to PERMANENTLY do it now, either.

Moot point, IMO and a silly thing to waste time debating.

by Torbee on Jun 30, 2011 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Then why did you?

by biggy84 on Jun 30, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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