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B1G Quarterbacks 2011, Part One: Can Dan Persa Win the Heisman Trophy?

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The position of quarterback is sexy, not just because you're the default leader, not just because you're BMOC, the figurehead, but also because your performance (unlike many other positions) is easily quantifiable. You either make the throw or you don't. Make a play to get out of pressure...or don't. Look at the play clock that's quickly running out and call a timeout...or take a delay of game penalty. Sure, there are mitigating factors (bad O-Line, no run game), but we judge quarterbacks easily more than any other position.

So with all that said, I'm going to do a couple of articles this week on every facet of B1G QB's in 2011. No topic will be left behind -

Is this the strongest, most athletic crop of Big Ten Quarterbacks of all-time?

Who is most dangerous outside of the pocket, Denard or T-Magic...or Persa?

But today, we take a look at the most unlikely of scenarios, a Northwestern Wildcat putting himself into Heisman Trophy consideration. Our own Chadnudj discusses...

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Can a Northwestern QB win the Heisman?  It says here.....yes (if everything goes right).

By Chadnudj

At least, that's the impression we're getting from Coach Pat Fitzgerald, and from Northwestern's marketing department.  Much like Jim "I am the true owner of Samuel Jackson's wallet from Pulp Fiction" Delany, Northwestern "considers them rolled"..... and by "them," I refer to the Heisman campaign for Dan Persa, launched this with billboard in Chicago and (perhaps even ballsier) Bristol, CT (home of ESPN), 80 selected college football writers receiving 7-lb. purple dumbbells (to honor Persa's #7), and a multi-platform campaign built around the theme "Persa Strong" (or, for those of you on Twitter, #PersaStrong).

Last year, Persa set the B1G record for completion percentage (73.5%) and threw for 2581 yards passing, 15 TDs, and only 4 INTs, leading to a QB rating of 159.0 -- good for 9th nationally last year.  He also ran for over 519 yards and 9 TDs....and all of this in just 10 games (in which Northwestern was 7-3).  His receiving corps and offensive-line return almost entirely entact, and he put up those numbers without much of a viable running game ­-- something expected to improve this year now that Mike Trumpy and Adonis Smith seem to have taken the lead in running the ball (indeed, both showed some flashes later in the season last year of being at least decent B1G running backs).  The Legends division is a toss-up (I could see any of the non-Minnesota teams winning that division this year), Northwestern guys have been finalists before (Darnell Autry finished 4th in 1995, Damien Anderson finished 5th in 2000), and since Heisman candidates almost exclusively come from top-10 type teams, Northwestern has even been ranked high enough at the time of Heisman voting to be considered a national championship contender/near-contender (in 1995, they entered the Rose Bowl ranked #3 in the nation).  If things go well.....

That's not to say Persa should be considered a front-runner for the Heisman, or even a presumptive finalist/top 10 candidate.  To win a Heisman, EVERYTHING has to go right for you -- your team must win a lot, you have to stay healthy (Persa's returning from a torn Achilles, but from all reports is way ahead of schedule), you have to put up other-worldly numbers, and you have to hope that no one else has a better season.  Guys like Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, LaMichael James, Marcus Lattimore, and Trent Richardson all have higher pedigrees and a deserved position as frontrunners at this point.  But they all also have those same obstacles/hurdles to clear to win the Heisman -- if their teams don't win, or they get hurt, or their numbers slide, or someone else does better....well, they'll be on the outside too.

If Persa and the Cats can go 10-2/11-1, play for the B1G championship (and not get embarassed there), and make a BCS bowl with Persa putting up huge numbers (he's capable of the numbers part; the rest is dependent on the rest of the team, but given they went 7-3 with Persa last year, there is hope)....well, obviously a lot of "ifs" involved, and some perhaps falling into "Michigan State in 2010 dream season" territory.  But it's at least not out of the question to wonder "what if" in Evanston this year in regards to the Downtown Athletic Club.  So consider them rolled....

I should also add, that while I'm legitimately geeked about Persa in 2011, last year and this year suggest that QB in the Big Ten has never been stronger -- Tolzien, Pryor, Stanzi, Cousins, Persa, Denard Robinson, Taylor Martinez, Nathan Scheelhaase, Russell Wilson, MarQuis Grey, Vandenberg.....our league is stacked with great and exciting QBs.  Compare that to the list of QBs in the SEC this year....where, according to one commenter at OTE, Stephen Garcia might be the best QB in the conference.  Yep -- a guy who has played hungover and who is prey to the whimsically quick QB hook of the Ol' Ballcoach Steve Spurrier is the "standard-bearer" at the premier position for the SEC.  I think we can all agree how ridiculous that is -- Garcia might not crack the top 10 at QB in our conference.  And for that reason, I am excited to see ALL of the B1G QBs play this season -- our QBs will be heads and shoulders above our southern brethren.

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Persa benches 360 and squats 520. FREAK.

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by Graham Filler on Aug 1, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

This cannot go green fast enough....

….while leavine Adrian Claybourn on one-knee on the sideline, gasping for breath in its wake….

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

green :)

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 1, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot Rob Henry

aka White Lightning

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Aug 1, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep...

….he’s definitely a QB in the B1G that is probably better than Stephen Garcia.

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

(\tears ACL)

(\still better than Garcia despite torn ACL)

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Aug 1, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we will be surprised this fall by Henry

and his throwing.

If not, look to see him line up in the backfield next to TerBush as the QB.

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Aug 1, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can’t really look at Henry’s numbers last year and take them seriously (even then a 53% and positive TD-INT ratio isn’t atrocious at least). The running backs were so banged up that it was either Henry running or Purdue passing so it made the offensive relatively one sided. Factor in Smith and Siller going down, and you had an inexperienced and weak group of receivers that didn’t help Henry at all. And then you can’t forget he spent a chunk of the year trying to play with a lacerated finger.

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by Bryan Steedman on Aug 2, 2011 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Northwestern is going the billboard route with him, so someone must think that he’s got a shot.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Aug 1, 2011 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry

But I don’t think advertising is going to get your QB a heisman. If that were the case, Pryor, Mccoy, fill in QB from extremely large and rich school, would win the heisman every single year.

Performance will win the heisman for your QB, and Persa can have my vote solely on his performance vs Iowa.

by Fake Pelini on Aug 1, 2011 11:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Not advertising winning the Heisman....

I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying the ad campaign is a reflection of the program’s confidence in Persa, and then looking at whether that confidence is well-placed. I happen to think that Persa’s got a shot….maybe not a great shot, but a shot nonetheless (and maybe a shot as good as other candidates, based on degree of difficulty).

I mean, if ad campaigns won Heisman trophies, we’d be hearing how “Heisman winner” Joey Harrington (he of the Times Square billboard) flamed out in the NFL…..

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

to a certain extent. You need people to look at your performance in order to see how good it is, and if no one looks at NU then no one will see Persa being godlike. So hence advertising.

by pfoley on Aug 1, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

the billboard won't WIN him the heisman...

that isn’t the point.

but you can tell it is working because WE ARE ALL NOW TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PERSA winning the heisman, and we weren’t yesterday, or at least not most us.

i think it’s a long shot, they need too much to go right for it to really happen. and honestly, i pray to god that it doesn’t since i’m going down to chi-town for the NU/MSU game, and i won’t be wearing purple.

thank god they don’t have a defense.

by alvion on Aug 2, 2011 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question to Northwestern fan...

Which would you prefer?

1. Persa to win the heisman but NW to add to its historic bowl record another loss?
Or
2. No heisman, but a NW bowl win?

by Fake Pelini on Aug 1, 2011 11:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Depends on the bowl?

I’d rather go to the Rose Bowl as a 1 or 2 loss B1G champion and lose with Persa winning a Heisman than win the Ticket City Bowl…..seriously, does a bowl losing streak end just because you “won” the Ticket City Bowl? I mean, technically it does….but you still were only playing in the Ticket City Bowl.

If it was win Rose Bowl/BCS Championship Game without Heisman for Persa or lose Rose Bowl with a Heisman for Persa — I definitely wanna win the Rose Bowl/BCS Championship game. (And yes, I admit Northwestern is a clear underdog to get to either game.

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen Brother

I mean… had the ‘Cats snapped the bowl streak against Bowling Green in the Motor City Bowl in the early 2000’s, would we really have felt all that different today? It’s only an eight-game streak – that 33 (34 maybe, not sure?) streak in the early ’80’s is far more painful. I know some ‘Cats fans get worked up about this and nobody likes losing (especially when you cross half the country to see your team lose), but in the grand scheme of things, it’s just not that big a deal.

That said, Persa is not winning a Heisman. He’s a good quarterback with the right tools to help the ‘Cats win, but he doesn’t have the arm (or legs) for explosive plays (30+ yards) that it takes to get noticed. Short crossing routes, quick outs, and timely scrambles for a first down will win games, but not heisman votes.

by GTom on Aug 1, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

you must not have heard what he wants to do more of this year…

"I want to take downfield shots a little more," he said. "I threw the deep ball a lot, but there were more that I left out there. We have some really talented receivers. If I put the ball in the air, they can make plays on it." – Dan Persa, July 28 at Big Ten Media Day.

by pfoley on Aug 1, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Heisman trophy winner is going to play in the ticket city bowl.

Statistics may call me a liar but I would think it hard to find a Heisman winner in the past 15 years who didn’t play in one of the big boy bowls after winning it in December.

Also I could have sworn you were an Indian (sub continent) NU alum named Chadnudj until I read your bio and saw that it was more likely Chad NU DJ.

Anyway.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 1, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup

Me too, it’s a very Punjabi sounding screen name

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by Graham Filler on Aug 1, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seems like it usually takes guys

2 years to fully recover from an Achilles injury, but you have to like the fact that almost everyone else on offense is returning.

by Stones1981 on Aug 1, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought...

….the 2 years thing was for an ACL tear? Most places say 12-14 months on an Achilles tear, but those studies tend to be in regards to older patients — in other words, Persa’s youth and relative strength/fitness state that he could be back sooner (it’ll be nearly 10 months when the Cats open their season at BC since he had his surgery, which was done the same night as the Iowa win).

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could be right

If he’s fully healthy he’s going to have a very good season.

by Stones1981 on Aug 1, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

according to the medical staff

he’s 100% healthy. according to the coaches, he’s not at 100% ability or 100% mentality yet.

by pfoley on Aug 1, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know it's a different game...

… that is a lot more achilles oriented, but Kalin Lucas our Point Guard tore his achilles at the end of his junior year, and he was never really the same the next season. i think a big part of it is missing alll that practice time.

they say everything is fine, so i’d say “cautious optimism” is appropriate for the situation.

by alvion on Aug 2, 2011 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing about that is

injuries like this tend to heal better in older patients due to the fact that they don’t put the same kind of stress on the body as a young athlete would.

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by U-God on Aug 2, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heisman billboards always work out

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Aug 1, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

how bout no

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 1, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really, if he was a good QB

he would have at least 3 cars and not a bike

/Terelle Pryor’d

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by BuckeyeSki on Aug 1, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only that...

But he wouldn’t have settled for working for a Fox affiliate…

by NotYourNormalHuskerfan on Aug 1, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially when you have Phil Knight...

…as your sugar daddy.

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by Docjay00 on Aug 1, 2011 11:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

When will the Pac 12 learn that NYC is a CF dry well?

People move there to get away from people like us, not to adopt segments of our culture.

Google's homepage celebrates too much shit.

by meatybob on Aug 2, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

Next question.

I'll just put COMING SOON down here.

by mikjones24 on Aug 1, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

/rosenhaus'd

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 1, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This must have been dreamed up

by some Marketing MBA at Kellogg.

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by HoosierCheesehead on Aug 1, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Persa isn't even the most likely Big Ten QB to win it

/HugebonuspointsforcharacterthisyearbecauseCamNewtonisgoingtomaketheheismancommitteesicksoKirkCousinsisalocknow

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by Seer on Aug 1, 2011 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I was a little too ambitious there

Point is, I think Cousins is a more likely candidate. He’s going to have a good team, good records most likely, and he’s one of the nicest, most upstanding people in college football right now. With the Heisman Committee getting recently embarrassed by the Bush scandal and the upcoming Newton scandal, character points might count for a lot more this year.

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by Seer on Aug 1, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice

upcoming newton scandal

spoken like it’s going to happen, no worries, which is probably true

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by Graham Filler on Aug 1, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points...

Cousins clearly shouldn’t be discounted, arguably should be ahead of Persa if you had to list favorites, and had a pretty phenomenal season last year too. But Persa’s got the character points, too (although kudos to Cousins for his excellent speech at B1G media days — a credit to his family, university, team, and the conference as a whole).

Again, not slagging other potential/worthy candidates here — just saying that it’s not irrational to launch a “Persa for Heisman” campaign, as there IS a feasible (albeit longshot) path for him towards being a Finalist.

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

the super nice guys are always the ones that turn out to be serial killers...

keep an eye on him!

also, i don’t expect MSU or NU to win enough games this year to really have their players in contention for the heisman. if one of them pulls off an MSU 2010, then i think persa and capn kirk would both have a VERY good chance, since they would have overcome some serious odds to get there. i think winning the big 10 is an absolute requirement though.

the question is, if they do that, would either of them make it to the national championship?

by alvion on Aug 2, 2011 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice theory

But no QB is winning the Heisman after going 9-4. Unless you’re Tim Tebow.

by Albino Tornado on Aug 1, 2011 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

It's really as simple as this

You can argue all you want but if you aren’t in the NC game or at least in a BCS bowl you’ll get zero consideration.

by mikjones24 on Aug 1, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Toby Gerhart agrees with you on that.

http://theboilermaker.blogspot.com/

by Bryan Steedman on Aug 2, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ingram winning the Heisman was such a load of bull.

Gerhart strapped the team to his back and brought Stanford back to prominence by running over linebacker after linebacker. If it weren’t for McCoy having been in that Heisman race, I think Toby would have won. I have a hard time believing the Texas area sportswriters would have voted for Ingram over Gerhart.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Aug 2, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are tons of guys in non-BCS bowls who get consideration

But winning it is another animal. But they do exist. Williams and Sanders come to mind. But Persa has to be exceptional against everybody.

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by meatybob on Aug 2, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Persa is good

but the Heisman is also sort of a team award. If you go 9-4, 8-5 there’s not a chance in the world. Even if Northwestern did only have 1-2 losses, I’m not sure if he could win it since Northwestern isn’t a “huge” media school. On the flip side, people could really fall for a “rag-tag” QB from a surprise team running the table. Hard to tell.

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by Ian_InsideTheShoe on Aug 1, 2011 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

To be clear...

….the only way he gets to be even a finalist/top 5 finisher at 9-4/8-5 is if he puts up otherworldly numbers — something north of 20 TDs passing, 75% completion rate, 800+ yards rushing, 3500+ passing, and maybe 10+ running TDs. Even that won’t win it with a 9-4 team.

But if Northwestern finishes with 1-2 losses and a top 10 BCS ranking? And Persa puts up numbers at/near that? That is the type of season that could win him a Heisman (again, with the caveat that other likely frontrunners don’t have teams with better seasons/better numbers themselves).

More a musing on what would have to happen for Persa to get there, and the idea that it’s not ENTIRELY far-fetched/absurd, than a prediction that it will happen (as much as I do want to predict precisely that).

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he would have had to have found Osama

too bad that’s already been taken care of.

RIP Dan Persa’s Heisman chances.

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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 1, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

for me, HE16MAN will always be prounounced “HEIG-man”

by pfoley on Aug 1, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Andrew Luck at Stanford is holding the Bower

I think Persa is going to have a tough time eclipsing Andrew Luck, everything else being equal… Anything you can say about Persa is more-or-less applicable to Luck, which is why I don’t think Persa will win the Heisman

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by Marshmoose on Aug 1, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I always thought it was spelled "Bauer"

As in Jack Bauer…..

But euchre references (along with potlucks and dairy products) will ALWAYS be appreciated at OTE….

by Chadnudj on Aug 1, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to the Hoyle I keep on my desk for just this sort of occasion,

It’s spelled “bower.” But the real question isn’t whether Luck is holding a bower (or bauer) but rather whether he’s 4-suited.

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by HoosierCheesehead on Aug 1, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good question...

With a pretty loaded team, the possibility of a hammer dropping on Oregon, USC having nothing to play for (especially after losing to the Gophers), and relatively weak rest of the field in the Pac-12, there’s plenty of room for a BCS run.

What’s might prevent them from going solo is a new coach and lofty expectations, which we know from our own red and white teams in the B1G, usually translates to disappointment.

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Aug 1, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Full disclosure - so did I

I actually looked it up on wikipedia. I was shocked that the euchre reference was not listed in between the English translation of the word “Peasant or farmer” and the popular hockey skate brand…

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Aug 1, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with Lake the Posts...

…in that this has a nice secondary benefit of selling NU football as a whole. Sure, it’s honestly directed at getting Persa the Heisman but the campaign gets people talking about not just Persa, but NU football across the board (as they evaluate his chances). For a team that isn’t discussed much nationally that isn’t a bad thing.

by GoAUpher on Aug 1, 2011 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

One of these is not like the others.
QB in the Big Ten has never been stronger — Tolzien, Pryor, Stanzi, Cousins, Persa, Denard Robinson, Taylor Martinez, Nathan Scheelhaase, Russell Wilson, MarQuis Grey, Vandenberg

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by 06Lion on Aug 1, 2011 4:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Except maybe B.J. Daniels...

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 1, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn't this fuel the Persa on steroids rumor?

I heard rumors that he was on steroids after the ruptured Achilles’ tendon. I dismissed them at the time, but now it makes me wonder…

by hup oranje on Aug 1, 2011 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

wha?

And coming out of left field…

by GoAUpher on Aug 1, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha

he started strong, go big or go home I always say

welcome hup!

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by Graham Filler on Aug 1, 2011 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the warm welcome.

And let me explain the rumor. As far as I know, the basis is simply that a ruptured Achilles’ tendon is not a common injury to someone in his prime, and it can be caused by steroid use. I dismissed this rumor, partly because Persa goes to Northwestern, but mostly because no other reasons were divulged. But now that I hear how freakishly strong he is, it does make me a little suspicious.

by hup oranje on Aug 1, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

links or it didn't happen

honestly, as this has been reported literally nowhere else, i have to discount whatever it is you’re hearing. persa has always been a beast, and one of the most upstanding people on the team. his character, and the team’s character, wouldn’t let him get involved in steroids. have you heard about how strong corey wootton was? or any lineman on most teams? the strength thing isn’t uncommon.

by pfoley on Aug 1, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That kind of strength isn't uncommon for a 280 lb. lineman

but it is rare for a 200 lb. quarterback. I’m afraid I can’t remember where exactly I saw this. It wasn’t a rumor based on someone knowing his personal trainer or anything, just someone speculating based on the type of injury he had. They may have known his strength, too, but that wasn’t mentioned.

by hup oranje on Aug 2, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've obviously never been in a Big Ten weight room

I have. I know a handful of decathletes from the track team at OSU that are about the same size as Persa and can actually squat and bench MORE.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Aug 2, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although, it would explain his giant ass helmet on the top of his head in the picture, above. That is one big noggin.

by txhawkeye on Aug 2, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tearing an achilles could be something that happens to people on steroids

as could being strong, being fast, having small balls and having bacne. But logic dictates that not everyone with those attributes is on steroids.

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by OctaShields on Aug 1, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, but logic also dictates

that the more one has those attributes, the more one is suspected.

by hup oranje on Aug 2, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Logic also dictates...

…that if this were a hot rumor (i.e. enough smoke to suggest fire) you wouldn’t be the first person to raise it on this board EVER. Some Hawkeye fan would have tossed it out by now.

by GoAUpher on Aug 2, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently you didn't realize

that “magic potato” and “mouthful of ass” are Iowa codewords for “steroids”

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Aug 3, 2011 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm going to put this thing to rest right now.

Persa is not on steroids. He’s not, ok? I’m about the same size as Persa, and when I was running track, I was actually squatting more. We both benefit from long waist, wider frame, and thick legs. I was not surprised at all when I saw his squat numbers.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Aug 2, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Andrew Luck already won this years Heisman

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