2011 Closing Arguments - Purdue
by MSULaxer27 on Aug 22, 2011 4:00 AM CDT
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"I hear that train a coming it's rolling round the bend, but I ain't seen the sunshine since... I don't know when" - Johnny Cash
I. Case History/Opening Statement
A. Case History
After a disappointing final season of Tiller ball in 2008 and equally dismal first season under the just as luxuriously mustached Danny Hope in 2009, the 2010 season was supposed to be different. It seemed to be as on Sunday October 18, 2010, the Purdue fans awoke to their Boilmakers at 4-2 (2-0 B1G) and on the cusp of bowl eligibility. Two of the three home games remaining on the schedule were against a shaky UM team and a historically compliant IU squad. Alas, player's ACLs in West Lafayette last season appear to have been constructed of balsa wood and the Boilers failed to win another game.
B. Opening Statement
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, in two seasons since 1945 that Purdue has been relevant (and or won a B1G title) they have had a transcendent quarterback: Bob Griese in 1966 and of course Drew Brees in 2000. Robert Marve was thought to be the next in that line, except he tore his ACL and then of course there is this. If not Marve, then maybe Caleb TerBush or Rob Henry or Sean Robinson can be the man to lead Purdue back to the promised land of bowl eligibility. Unfortunately, Coach Hope announced that Purdue will use a two quarterback rotation this season and as the axiom states, "If you have two starting quarterbacks, you really don't have any.'
II. Discovery
A. What We Can Learn From Pop Culture
IV. Verdict
A. The Staff Calls the Games
Many of the staff here at the OTE see another long season ahead for the Boilermakers. Even with Paterno Ave's wildly optimistic prediction and my negative one, the staff predictions average out to 4-8 (2-6 B1G)*. Collectively we are certain Purdue will beat Middle Tennessee State (MTSU), Southeastern Missouri State (SEMO), Rice and Indiana and lose to Notre Dame. Most of us are sure that Purdue will be a bad team this year (although not historically inept) but two of us are convinced Purdue will make a bowl game. Purdue followers take heart as your team has effectively hung our jury.
Bama Hawkeye 7-5 (4-4 B1G) wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, Minn, ILL, UW, Ind
Ted Glover 4-8 (1-7 B1G)* wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, Ind
Jonathan Franz 4-8 (1-7 B1G) wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, Ind
Chadnudj 5-7 (2-6 B1G) wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, UMich, Ind
MSUlaxer27 1-11 (0-8 B1G) win over Rice
Ricardo Efendi 3-9 (1-7 B1G)* wins over MTSU, SEMO, Minn
Paterno Ave 8-4 (5-3 B1G) wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, Minn, ILL, Iowa, PSU, Ind
KennardHusker 5-7 (2-6 B1G) wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, Minn, ILL
Hilary Lee 4-8 (1-7 B1G) wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, Minn
JDMill 4-8 (2-6 B1G) wins over MTSU, Rice, SEMO, Ind
Graham Filler 4-8 (2-6 B1G) wins over MTSU, SEMO, Minn, Iowa
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Nobody has us winning this year
Because there are a lot of question marks and unknowns on our team coming off the horrendous year we had last year. It is hard to pick us to win anything without knowing who the QB will be, will we fill Kerrigan’s spot, who will emerge as the QB, can we actually strike downfield like we use to again, will the WR be able to get open for once (wtf, we always do that at least-we practically invented the bubble screen), will our team stay healthy???? Lots of questions.
However, with so many guys out last year it allowed us to play something like 17 freshman, which equates to experience this year. Our O line is going to be solid with all starters returning, our D line solid with 2 of the best DT’s in conference and promising young DE’s, LB corps is going to be much improved, our Secondary is going to be upper half of the B1G and we have a promising array of RB’s and WR’s to work with including the return of Ralph Bolden. Our ST’s were much improved last year and we have one of the best place kickers in conference.
Hard to say. We should be improved but picking anything over 6 wins is just grasping. Can we win? Hell yeah, we can win 8-9 games. Will we? Who knows, it could be another long year. Can’t wait for it to start though!
BTFU
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
in the two seasons since 1945 that Purdue has been nationally relevant (and won a B1G title) they have had a transcendent quarterback: Bob Griese in 1967 and of course Drew Brees in 2000.
The 1952 (conference champions) and 1968 (began the season #1 in the country, Keyes was a Heisman candidate, beat #2 ND) seasons would like a word with you. Also, Griese was QB in 1966 and Purdue went to the Rose Bowl that year despite finishing 2nd in the conference to MSU. Phipps was QB in the 1967 season when Purdue won a share of the conference title but didn’t go to the Rose Bowl since they went the year before.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
I was implying, "nationally relevant" and "B1G champs" not either/or.
The 1952 “Conference Co-Champs” finished the season 4-3-2 (4-1-1) and 18 in the final AP poll but UW went to the Rose.
My mistake on Griese, as I knew he went high (#4) in the 1967 NFL Draft.
love Johnny Cash
Good review too. No one expects anything from Purdue so if in fact they do deliver an upset and a few injury free games, they might turn into this years version of Illinois 2010.
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Purdue: We may possibly be Illinois 2010, but probably not.
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I think it's Purdue or Illinois
one wins 6 or 7 games and goes bowling. The other fires its coach. You can see that I believe in Hope more than Zook.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Aug 22, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
In my defense of terrible math
I was going through the sched—-SNAP—-
/sobs, tears ACL
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
by Ted Glover on Aug 22, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
oh that's cute Ted
Why not just shred every last ounce of dign —SNAP—-
/sobs. tears ACL
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by Graham Filler on Aug 22, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Quite possibly the best meme ever
With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage
In the top five
But that’s only if memes about things that don’t exist are theoretically memes at all
Wait? You mean there are smart black people on the internet!!???
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by TheFreshRonPrinceofBelAir on Aug 22, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget about that harlot Clemson.
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Or That Trollop Up North.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 22, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
HATE HATE HATE HATE
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 22, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
every year besides that one.jpg
thanks for playing.
signed,
last year’s half-time score that doesn’t happen ever though I was there.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 22, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I refuse to draft Drew Brees in fantasy
mostly because his ACL is long overdue for a rippin and a tearin .
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 22, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Boiler
and I found that funny in a really dark sense.
by Jackson Brunner on Aug 22, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Already happened to him in high school
He’s immune now (I hope)
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by BoilerTMill on Aug 23, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
he has two knees, right?
rippin and the tearin
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 23, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
you really want to give all of us heart attacks, don't you?
Brees is about all we have had recently.
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He means every year at the ’Shoe. Come in to WL and its a different story. Even your beloved Jim Tressel was 2-2 in Ross Ade
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
MICHIGAN SUCKS!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 22, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Even I can get behind that one :D
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Aug 23, 2011 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
“MSUlaxer27 1-11 (0-8 B1G) win over Rice”
Was this supposed to be a joke? Questions about the team aside, do you really see a Big 10 squad beating Rice while losing to Middle Tennessee State and an FCS squad (we could also easily put in Minnesota and Indiana to this list)?
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by Bryan Steedman on Aug 22, 2011 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
I don't see Purdue losing every game, but I also don't see many winnable games on their schedule.
MTSU was solid (if unspectacular last year) losing to Minny by a touchdown and their Bowl game by two TD’s to Miami, OH.
SEMO ran roughshod over the OVC with a 29-27 set back to a tough Jacksonville State team on the road their only conference blemish. They later lost to eventual I-AA champ Washington State in the playoffs.
Rice is Rice. Should probably chalk this up as a win, but if they lose the opener to MTSU…well who knows how they respond.
I could see Purdue going 3-1 in their non-conference slate. I could also see them going 0-4.
Youth and inexperience combined with an unsettled QB situation, questions at the skill positions, as well as a coach and staff that has yet to prove themselves on this level do not engender the greatest confidence.
I also believe the Marve/UMiami situation will prove more of a distraction as the season moves along.
Purdue has done their due dilligence with the NCAA
Marve is at no risk of being declared ineligible. Purdue officials haven’t elaborated on the details but it appears that Marve cooperating with the NCAA investigation means he can play. Its not a distraction in the least.
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Marve won't be a factor
He continues to be held out of practice with swelling in his donor knee and is nowhere near being ready to play right now.
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I don't mean it in a "Is your starting QB going to be declared ineligible this week?" way.
More like just a constant distraction as the UMiami situation develops. We’ll see.
I have to agree with this.
If the NCAA already said that he’s eligible and Purdue has nothing to fear, I can’t see it meaning much of anything in Indiana anymore.
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It may be a reach but that doesn't make it any less valid a thought.
Are you the guy that insisted that Purdue had nothing to worry about when I suggested last basketball season that if Hummel’s ACL held up you’d have a good season?
That worked out well for you guys.
/ has the ear of the bewildered Purdue hating ACL god.
Dude, your hate is showing.
No rational person thinks we will lose to SEMO AND MTSU at home. Any other game you could make a case for us losing, albeit a weak one in some cases (Rice, IU, Minn). But we will not be 1-11 this year…not even Hope can lose to an FCS team AND a MAC team.
That said, Bama, your hate is showing too…I actually lol’d at us beating Wisconsin. We haven’t been close to them in Madison since The Fumble.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 22, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn it, SB Nation...only the "AND" was supposed to be bold.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 22, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
I’m high on Purdue, pick them to go 7-5, make a bowl, and upset Wisconsin, and I’m showing hate?
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by Bama Hawkeye on Aug 23, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah....of Wisconsin, not Purdue.
We haven’t scored a touchdown in Madison since 2005.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah...
I only hate Nebraska. I actually have no problem with Wisconsin. I just think that after losing at Ohio State, they’re going to be deflated and let the loss beat them for two weeks. A fired up Boiler squad is the beneficiary.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Aug 23, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I like where your head is at :D
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Aug 23, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
Iowa hating Wisconsin is like hating your reflection.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Aug 23, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I do like that you've put yourself out on a limb.
Plus, I mean, how long can teary-eyed Purude fans run after you before, well, you know…
Our same terrible team
Almost upset MSU at home last year. If it wasn’t for our lack of depth we may very well have in the end.
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
In the last 15-years
we are 7-6 against MSU. Overall MSU is up 28-32-3, so it’s not like they are much historically better.
"I could see Purdue going 3-1 in their non-conference slate. I could also see them going 0-4."
You’re seeing lots of things. I’m not sure how Purdue will end up 1-11. The QB position is settled with Henry. Experience in the OL, DB, and LB corps. We lose Kerrigan, but the remaining line is back and intact. Running game should be better with Bolden back. Have some solid back ups as well. Big question mark is special teams (coverage & returns) and wide receivers. The WRs though, in the last 15 years, have always stepped up. Edison will be solid and a second will emerge.
So by settled you mean that Henry has not put enough distance between himself and any other QB for Hope to name him the starter
And you have enough questions about your wide receivers that after Edison, you’re hoping somebody else emerges?
There are 2 good players, Henry and TerBush
You can read it anyway you want, but Henry will be the man. Just because a starter hasn’t been publicly announced means nothing.
There is talent behind Edison, but unproven. Whether is Ross, Gravesande, Siller, Thomas, Barbarette, or Bush, one will emerge.
Yes these are question marks, but not 1-11 question marks.
by docjay0 on Aug 23, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um, about that...
Henry’s out for the season.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 25, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean Eastern Washington?
I know Washington State is bad, but I didn’t think they’d been demoted to 1-AA!
It's MSUlaxer
For some reason he absolutely hates Purdue
I'm pretty sure we already know the reason
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by Pariahwulfen on Aug 22, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
The single biggest reason why I hate Purdue
That and the stupid inability of any Wisconsin team EVER to win in Mackey. Blech.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 22, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. That's right. I "hate" Purdue due to a coach that has had a little success against my school.
I’ll fear Painter (or any Purdue hoops coach) when he(they) stops squandering the “talent” he has at his disposal.
My dislike of Purdue athletics really relates to a couple incidents that are tagential to actual game performance. It’s really more schadenfreude I receive from their foibles than actual dislike or hatred.
Get your band and fans off our fucking field
and we’ll talk about incidents.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 22, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait a minute...that was the stupidest thing I've ever posted...
that was Wisconsin…OBrienetc. being her confused me…shit.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I’ll fear Painter (or any Purdue hoops coach) when he(they) stops squandering the "talent" ACL’s he has at his disposal.
/fixed
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by PurdueMatt on Aug 23, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Squandering talent?
Wouldn’t that be Izzo taking a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits and barely sneaking into the tournament at 19-14 while going an underwhelming 9-9 in conference?
One of the things you can’t accuse Painter of is squandering talent. In fact I think its pretty remarkable what they accomplished last year after losing Hummel. No one gave them a chance without Hummel but they knocked off the #1 team in the country, finished 2nd in the conference, and was ranked in the top 10 for a good portion of the season. The blowout win in the Breslin Center was sweet too.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
by PurdueMatt on Aug 23, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
how many blocks did JJ have in that game at the Breslin?
“demoralizing” was the word my brother used to describe it. So squandered….
Tough to beat this one tho
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>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Aug 23, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I still love seeing the youtube game of MSU @ Purdue from last Year
The one where Dickie V finds an MSU fan in the stands and says “DON’T CRY”… must have been MSULaxer…
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by JuJuan some Moore? on Aug 23, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
would explain a lot
being made fun of on national television… I have never seen an announcer so openly mock a team’s fans.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Aug 25, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Congratulations! You won at Breslin!
MSU generally doesn’t have a “bunch of 4 or 5 star recruits” in any given season. You might be confusing us with Duke or UNC or maybe even Kentucky. Which is understandable as we have played in more Final Fours over the last 12 years than any of those schools listed.
Maybe one day you guys will turn a one of your record 22 B1G titles into a National Championship. Hell, even a Elite 8 would be something. Students who were freshmen the last time Purdue played in the NC game are 60! Students who were freshmen when PU last appeared in a Final Four are pushing 50.
Since MSU has been eligible for B1G titles we have:
12 B1G Championships
25 NCAA appearances
8 Final Fours
3 NC game appearances
2 National Championships
Purdue in the same span:
9 B1G titles
25 NCAA Appearances
2 Final Fours
1 NC game appearance
0 National Championships.
So Congratulations! You won at Breslin. You did it before and you’ll do it again!
OH SNAP
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 23, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ooh look, Izzo's a good coach, guys!
Clearly that means Painter “squanders” his talent! Your logic is unassailable!
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
MSU generally doesn’t have a "bunch of 4 or 5 star recruits" in any given season.
Adreian Payne – 5 star
Keith Appling – 4 star
Derrick Nix – 4 star
Garrick Sherman – 4 star
Delvon Roe – 5 star
Chris Allen – 4 star (I know he’s gone now)
Kalin Lucas – 4 star
Durrell Summers – 4 star
Korie Lucious – 4 star (I know he’s gone now)
That’s not a bunch? Definitely many more than any other Big Ten program except maybe Ohio State.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
so who's squandering the talent, now?
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
by sea.of.white on Aug 25, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
*Players' ACLs
When it comes to ACLs, we’re always talking multiples.
“stops squandering the "talent" he has at his disposal.”
You mean their best playing tearing his ACL right before the tourney when they were dominating in 2009-10? Or when the best player tore his ACL again trying to come back to soon in 2010-11?
http://theboilermaker.blogspot.com/
by Bryan Steedman on Aug 22, 2011 10:33 PM CDT reply actions
MSULaxer
puts little facts behind his arguments. With that lineup in 09-10, Purdue DESTROYED the Spartans in the Bres. We were #3 in the nation when Hummel got hurt.
by Jackson Brunner on Aug 22, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
My overlook of this season:
6-6, with a 4-0 non-conference record. Purdue will do badly in conference play unless we stay healthy at a pristine state. Rob Henry is the man at quarterback…that much is very clear.
by Jackson Brunner on Aug 22, 2011 10:47 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, wise, Purdue fans...
…turn it into a basketball argument. One with more wins and fewer (albeit, really, by how many?) ACL tears.
Well, what has Purdue ever done to MSU in football?
Clearly, Laxer’s hate is basketball based, even if he lets it bleed over into his football analysis…which I use loosely in this case.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know.
I’m too busy trying to fucking forget the goddamn zone-read ass-raping that was Purdue-NU 2010. Fuck fuck fuck.
That, and I don’t care about Purdue football, therefore, I don’t know.
You should care
Because Purdue football is Fitz’s kryptonite. We usually find a way to beat NU
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
Purdue actually has lots of close wins over MSU in football
Particularly in the Tiller era. Remember the blocked FG returned by Colvin? Or the Orton to Standeford bomb to win in 2002? There are many other examples.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
I think you would have had better luck if your post...
…wasn’t so glaringly bad at trying to objectively analyze a team. I don’t think any Purdue fan thinks where going to be much better than 6-6. But I don’t think anyone but yourself thinks Purdue will go 1-11.
1-11 is "a bit" extreme.
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 23, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
1-11?
Last year, starting RB out for season (lost before season). Starting QB out for season (lost in 4th game). Best WR out for season (lost in 2nd game). Backup QB out for season (academically ineligible). Freshman backup QB who led the team to 2 BIG wins mangles hand at OSU, and can’t really throw right again until the very end of the season. WR/QB who could have stepped in at RB plays in only win B1G game due to injury.
With all of this, Purdue won 4 games last year. So this year, with all but one of the aforementioned offensive skill players healthy at this point, Purdue will only be able to beat Rice?!?
Here is a list of all the one-win teams in D-1A last season:
Memphis
Akron
New Mexico
San Jose State
The point of the previous list is to show how rare it is for a team to win only one game in a season.
A 2-10 (0-8) prediction is as bad as any prediction should ever get for an B1G team (barring mass suspensions/expulsions or a disaster like a plane crash). A 1-11 prediction is just a wild prediction for the sake of a wild prediction.
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by babaoreally on Aug 23, 2011 2:17 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
1-11? Part 2
Worst overall record for a B1G team 2002-2010:
2002: IU & NU 3-9
2003: Ill 1-11
2004: Ill & IU 3-8
2005: Ill 2-9
2006: Ill 2-10
2007: Minn 1-11
2008: Mich & IU 3-9
2009: Ill 3-9
2010: Minn 3-9
In the last nine years, only two teams have failed to win at least two games in a season. In the last three years, no team has won less than three games.
I fail to see why the writer of this post thinks that Purdue will have a historically awful season this year.
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@babaoreally
I am pleased beyond reason
That IU is only on that list three times. Illinois has a share of the worst record 5 times. Woo hoo! Suck it, Illini!
by hoosierdaddynow on Aug 23, 2011 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If only
If there were any other Indiana fans, this comment would be green by now.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Aug 23, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey, now
Indiana fans are less of a mythological creature than Purdue’s Final Four appearances over the last 30 years.
by hoosierdaddynow on Aug 23, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No one tore their ACLs after the Minnesota game
Even Hummel tore his ACL in practice before the game that morning.
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Rob Henry
Throwing him third on the list of a bunch of QBs and saying that maybe one of them will work out shows that you didn’t really pay attention to Purdue last season. Henry was an effective running QB last year and is the #1 guy going into the season. He has a lot of work to do on his passing, but he looks promising.
I know the ACL and mustache comments are an attempt at humor, but it just doesn’t seem like there is any actual analysis or insight about Purdue football, just memes and jokes that we have all seen before.
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by babaoreally on Aug 23, 2011 2:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Just wait til the Illinois one.
I hear Ron Zook likes to water ski!
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by U-God on Aug 23, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
SPARTY, NO!
That was the only real analysis we ever got before there was a real MSU writer here. That and a UM fan arguing that MSU didn’t really matter.
Hopefully the Illini one has some basis in facts, for your guys’ sake.
I read articles that stated Hope was going to use a two QB system.
Does it really truly matter in which order I list the three most likely candidates to fill those two spots?
And again, your number #1 quarterback going into the season has trouble with his passing, and he plays a position where the primary responsibility is to, you know, PASS and yet I’m being unreasonable when I suggest that this might be a really bad season for Purdue football?
"Really bad" =/= 1-11
1-11 is epically, historically bad. You told us we would have one of the worst seasons in power-conference history.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I stopped coming to Off Tackle months ago because every article that even mentioned Purdue (very few) tended to be dripping with sarcastic disdain. I only found this article because it was linked to on H&R. I’m not really sure what the writers at this blog have against Purdue but it’s becoming obvious that you don’t really pay attention to anything that’s happening with our athletic teams. This article is filled with jokes about mustaches and ACL tears. There doesn’t seem to be a shred of evidence that MSULaxer even has read anything about our football team. He just knows that Danny Hope has a mustache and that several players had unfortunate and possibly career-ending ACL tears last year. If you would like to really cover B1G football don’t pick a writer that’s so obviously biased against the school he’s writing about. That would be like me trying to write an article about IU basketball. It wouldn’t turn out well. You need to start seriously covering all the schools in the Big Ten or stop calling yourselves a Big Ten blog. Just covering the schools you like and then making fun of the rest isn’t cutting it. If this post had given a well thought out argument as to why we’d go 1-11 then perhaps I wouldn’t be so harsh.
by PurduePrincess on Aug 23, 2011 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 8 recs
I agree, but...
not sure what you expect when you have someone like MSULaxer writing an article about Purdue. I would much rather read Ted or Graham’s views on Purdue. They would probably know which year Griese led Purdue to the Rose Bowl.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
If by "led" you mean finished 2nd in the B1G and was selected to go since the B1G (and National Champions) couldn't.
Then yes, Griese “led” the Boilers to the Rose Bowl in 1967.
by MSULaxer27 on Aug 23, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just learned that MSU were sort of National Champions that year
Which is probably why I don’t write articles about them. You know, the knowing nothing about them and such.
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Aug 23, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Led is the past tense of lead
Griese, as a good QB, was the leader of his team. That team went to the Rose Bowl. So that’s probably what he meant by using that word.
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by babaoreally on Aug 23, 2011 12:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly, and it's obnoxious shit like that that should disqualify him from writing aobut Purdue.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
also
Danny Hope has a mustache, may or may not have functioning ligaments.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 23, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
In fairness, these are mainly written tongue in cheek.
I also linked to a serious preview at the bottom of the article.
I could have written a piece using statistics, interviews, etc. or I could have used chicken bones and listened to what they told me. Either would be equally true.
Predictions are like…well you can fill in the rest.
Back in the olden days...
when this was still the Rivalry Esq. I could deal with your uneven coverage of Purdue football and mocking us as the Aquaman of the Big Ten because it seemed jovial and not meant as a mean spirited attack. However in recent months and particularly after the name change the articles that do rarely appear about Purdue, and the comment sections attached, make us out to be one of the most reviled teams in the conference. Perhaps if you actually had a representative of Purdue to write about us we could get articles that had more info than whatever MSUlaxer could glean from the Yahoo Sports Purdue depth chart and the now standard “lol they have brittle kneez” jokes. So thanks but no thanks Off Tackle Empire, if I ever want info on the four out of twelve schools you bother to cover I will just go their respective SBNation blogs.
It's a trick, get an ax
by tiptonian on Aug 23, 2011 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
ESPN is the same way.
Any article about us in the Big Ten blog gets mocked to no end by a few sophmoric Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Ohio State fans. They’ll get it up to 50+ comments just from taking shots at Purdue.
This horseshit is frustrating to say the least.
by Jackson Brunner on Aug 23, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but at least the assholes are confined to the comment section there.
Usually. I couldn’t believe it when I saw Laxer was picked to do the Purdue preview…come on, guys, either pick someone related to the school or someone impartial. Save this shit for the hate pieces in the offseason.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
To defend the site....
….we don’t have a Purdue writer, but we’re not actively preventing someone/anyone from becoming that Purdue writer. In fact, until a couple months ago/month ago, we didn’t have a MSU writer or Nebraska writer — 2 guys volunteered, which is why MSULaxer27 and KennardHusker are now on staff.
If you want to be a Purdue writer for OTE, I’m pretty sure we’d be MORE than happy to accomodate you. Just let Graham or Jon know….ditto to you Illini and Indiana fans, out there.
The main complaint is not the lack of a Purdue writer.
If we want Purdue-centric stuff written by a Purdue guy, Tmill’s stuff is better than about anyone’s.
The complaint is the total lack of impartiality, combined with a general air of disdain towards all things Purdue. I don’t mind the hate pieces, and I actually enjoy the comment wars…although not the biggy vs. BNB ones. But I expect more evenhanded writing in the prediction and analysis pieces. Sadly, this didn’t even come close.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a lack of impartiality...
…just a negative opinion overall.
Really, you’ve seen a general air of disdain toward all things Purdue here? Where?
We clearly make a ton of ACL-snapping/mustache jokes about Purdue…like we make Rhabdo/AIRBHG jokes about Iowa…or “Fitz has an insatiable hunger for ass”/“empty purple seat = Northwestern fan” jokes for Northwestern….or Hokemania/F*c$ Michigan/RichRod loves Josh Groban jokes for Michigan….or Tattoo-gate/free cars jokes for OSU….or “when’s basketball season?” jokes for Indiana….or Tim Brewster FAIL/Jerry Kill looks like a Gopher jokes for Minny….or SPARTY NO! jokes for MSU….or FIVENATIONALCHAMPIONSHIPSOMG! jokes for Nebraska…or “we’re completely irrelevant”/Zook waterskiing/no one in Champaign Urbana knows how to use the internet jokes for the Illini….or JoePa is a zombie jokes for Penn State….
In other words — it’s not bias. It’s just making fun of a team. Everyone’s a victim.
by Chadnudj on Aug 23, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I Agree
I’m not sure why some of my fellow Purdue chums are up in arms over the ACL deal. I thinks it’s a pretty funny gag. Other than that, OTE is a well run site where it’s not too series and the hate is all in good fun. Except for Iowa, those assholes. Really, this is the only piece I’ve seen in OTE re Purdue that was blatantly non-objective it was a joke. Otherwise my friends, keep up the good work.
by docjay0 on Aug 23, 2011 3:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I also agree
This is an excellent site that does a pretty good job spreading content around to 12 different teams. Every once in a while there will be a post that I don’t like or agree with, and that is the case with this one.
Manager at BT Powerhouse a Big Ten basketball blog
@babaoreally
by babaoreally on Aug 23, 2011 5:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"I don’t mind the hate pieces, and I actually enjoy the comment wars"
see above comment.
I’m not complaining about ACL jokes…I make them myself. But the analysis pieces are never fair to Purdue. Although this one is definitley far worse than most.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
you adressed IU fans.
That’s funny because that’s like writing santa clause a letter.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 23, 2011 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
As noted above
IU football fans are less of a mythological creature than Purdue Final Four appearances in the last 30 years. And by “Santa Clause”, I hope that your auto correct was just turned on, and you are not referring to the wretched string of Tim Allen movies a few years back.
by hoosierdaddynow on Aug 23, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Santa Claus, IN is actually full of Hoosier fans...
I should know, I dated one back in the day. He and I even went to football games in Bloomington (gasps!)
If you think IU football fans are long-suffering, you clearly haven't been tailgating with us lately.
by HoosierCheesehead on Aug 23, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Boiler fans as well
Manager at BT Powerhouse a Big Ten basketball blog
@babaoreally
by babaoreally on Aug 23, 2011 5:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
chricket tears acl?
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 23, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
dude...
If your spelling ability reflects the education you got at aOSU then I’m glad I went to Purdue. This rudeness towards fanbases on this site is getting ridiculous. If it were all in jest, I would understand, but it’s not. Your team won’t always be #1. Just ask Michigan/Minnesota. I understand there’s schaudenfraude in making fun of people when they’re down, but your team will be too someday. And making fun of hurt athletes is just going too far.
by PurduePrincess on Aug 23, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Even as an IU fan
I’d say that (1) Matt Painter is a very, very good coach. Is he a great coach, capable of winning National Championships? I’m not sure, but I would not rule it out. (2) I don’t think that this will be a very good Purdue football team, but 1-11 is a bit of a stretch. Whoever said a floor of 4 wins and a ceiling of 7 is probably spot on. The rest comes down to execution. (3) The ACL joke meme is old and lazy. There is a lot done around here that is tongue-in-cheek, much of it at Indiana’s expense, and that’s fine. I appreciate the insightful stuff that Graham and others provide regarding IU, Purdue and Illinois, and fully understand why there is less of it for those schools than there is for TSUN, fOSU, Iowa, etc. But when there is a total lack of insight, at least come up with a new joke.
by hoosierdaddynow on Aug 23, 2011 3:12 PM CDT reply actions
Mustache jokes are still OK, by the way
by hoosierdaddynow on Aug 23, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just curious, what sort of "insight" would you like me to come up with?
I mentioned:
Young defense last year that lost its best (and probably the B1G’s) defensive player. I asked if they will be better or worse.
They played a few different guys in the QB position last year and have yet to decide on a starter. The head coach has announced that they will use a two QB system (their highly regarded transfer is rehabbing a torn ACL).
I said they’ll be exciting to watch., but honestly, even if I were a PU fan, I don’t think there is a lot to look forward to this season.
Three straight losing seasons and no great news (New coach, stud recruits or anything) out of West Lafayette this off season doesn’t lead me, (with 2 exceptions) the rest of the staff here, or many national media (see Athlon etc), with great expectations for Purdue this year.
Rob Henry IS our starter
and they will prepare a backup to start as well each week (he has made numerous comments in this regard throughout the offseason). He does mention a two QB system, but he did that in ‘09 as well, and the other QB played in one game (at the end of the game in a blowout @Wisconsin). I don’t even think Marve is in consideration at this point because he is still rehabbing his non-surgically repaired knee. The Backup will be Caleb TerBush.
As for the defense, yes, we lost Kerrigan, but we have a lot of proven talent coming back. Ricardo Allen, Josh Johnson, Kawann Short, Bruce Gaston, Dwayne Beckford, Joe Holland, and Will Lucas all showed promise last year, and, with Gerald Gooden coming back from injury last season (he played knicked up a majority of last year) the news out of camp is that he is greatly improved at Defensive End and is in position to take over for Kerrigan.
As for recruiting, we never land stud recruits, that is not what we are about. We are more about taking under-appreciated players such as Drew Brees — injury in high school — or Ricardo Allen — labelled as “too short”, or unknown/under-recruited players such as Ryan Kerrigan and turn them into great talents. I will never predict us to win 10+ games because it just doesn’t happen to us that often, and likewise, I will never predict us to win anything less than 3 games for the same reason.
If you had come out of your “analysis” with a realistic prediction, then maybe I could take you seriously, but, 1-11 is just ridiculous!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Aug 23, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Santa Claus, IN is full of Hoosier fans...
I should know, I dated a guy from down there back in my glory days/time in Bloomington. We went to football games, even.
If you think IU football fans are long-suffering, you clearly haven't been tailgating with us lately.
by HoosierCheesehead on Aug 23, 2011 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
glory days!
Ah Springsteen.
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by Graham Filler on Aug 23, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's OK - I get it
No, really, I do.
Laxer finally found a way to break double figures on comments for his posts – shock factor.
>Hoosier by birth, Boilermaker by the grace of God
>Don't cry, MSU - It's just a game...
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