2011 Closing Arguments - Purdue Part II
by MSULaxer27 on Aug 23, 2011 6:35 PM CDT
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Apparently my closing arguments for Purdue ruffled some feathers in BoilermakerNation. I hope that this update will be more agreeable to our friends from West Lafayette.
I didn't have the time to find any pictures of Unicorns.
Will Purdue finish 1-11? More than likely not.
If they go 3-1 in non-conference as most expect, they will probably finish at best 5-7.
Seriously though, here are some new questions:
If Purdue finishes with a losing record for the fourth year in a row and/or if they are not fighting for bowl eligibility when they play Indiana during the last weekend, Is Danny Hope looking for a new job?
Has the anomalous success under Coach Tiller given the Boilermaker fans unrealistic expectations?
Somebody in the B1G has to finish at the bottom and with the advent of divisions, that means two schools get to finish in last place. What has Purdue done to change the perception that their football team will be one of them?
Indiana hired a new coach with proven success on this level. They have expanded their football stadium and upgraded their facilities. They even signed a prized (wanted by more than Indiana and the MAC) recruit. What has Purdue done to keep up?
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This is the perfect post.
Runs to tell all his IU alum frien
/tears ACL
If you think IU football fans are long-suffering, you clearly haven't been tailgating with us lately.
by HoosierCheesehead on Aug 23, 2011 6:50 PM CDT reply actions
This makes you look pretty damn petty.
"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"
Doesn't it?
Counterpoints, in order:
Notice he revises his prediction to 5-7. Which I happen to agree with plus/minus a game or so.
To answer the question about Hope, he’s bowl-bound or out-bound this year.
Most of expect about 5-7…you said 1-11. So we’re being unrealistic for expecting 5-7? Come on.
No one said we won’t finish last in our division, etc. We said we wouldn’t finish 1-11.
Why are you talking about Indiana again?
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The Recruit Comment was pretty pointless
Kiel hasnt played a snap in college, and wont play this upcoming year, so he doesnt help Indiana at all. besides, he could easily suck ass.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 23, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Two rainbow pictures is redundent
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 23, 2011 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
Also, I don't think I've ever seen such epic levels of condescension in one post. Well done.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Personally, i could see purdue only winning 2 games this year
and going winless in the Big, but 1-11 probably isnt happening. That would mean they would lose 2 out of three of these games. Rice, Middle Tennessee, No Name AA school. thats not gonna happen. all three of those teams suck something awful.
so i would probably have Purdue at 3-9, losing to Middle Tennessee, but beating Minny in league play.
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 23, 2011 7:28 PM CDT reply actions
purdue dismisses this use of "reason"
as a backhanded way of trolling your most hated rival. for shame, sir.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Aug 23, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me, pretentions aOSU fan, but we'll speak for ourselves
justsome’s post is more respectful and reasonable that either of Laxer’s, which contain little of the reason you hold hear.
I still think we’ll be be better than 3-9, but at least justsome is being realistic, if rather negative.
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 23, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
U MAD?
i’ll never understand people getting so bent out of shape about predictions. chillax.
Show them Ohio's here.
by slidingscrapes on Aug 24, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well fuck, your still OMHR
i cant be that positive about you
"Your spelling and grammar errors belie a seriously skilled thought process"- therealCatnuts
by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 24, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The last two comments illustrate why I like Iowa fans
and hate aOSU fans. I yank an Iowan’s chain, he laughs and yanks back. The aOSU guy goes “U MAD?”
"Hey Jay, what time is it?"
"9:30"
"AND IU STILL SUCKS!"
by Boiler Bandsman on Aug 24, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
U MAD.
no question mark…
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 24, 2011 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what Purdue has done to improve
But I will listen to arguments.
Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
Health
it will be key this year… I think having our first stringers playing instead of 4th string QB, 3rd string RB (Or wide receivers playing RB) and 3rd string WRs would be enough to raise our stock at least a little bit from last year.
With the experience that all of our young people got last year (forced due to injury) I believe that it will help us immensely. We will see… I am not predicting us to be world beaters, but I SURE AS HELL am not predicting 1-11… You would have to be football illiterate to make that prediction!
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Aug 23, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus...
Rob Henry has a complete finger to throw with this year (even though he doesn’t have feeling in it yet), which should help him immensely in his development as a QB as well…
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Aug 23, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a scenario where Purdue can go 1-11
but it would involve mass injuries in the first two games. This would also raise the question of WTF has been going on in the West Lafeyette black hole the past 6-8 years for all these injuries?
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Aug 24, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
We have a new director of sports performance
Duane Carlisle, who worked as the strength and conditioning coach with the San Francisco 49ers. From the sound of the players/Hope he has them doing a lot of “pre-hab” drills that they have never done before which is specifically geared towards preventing injury. I believe he also worked for Under Armour. I think (pray) he will make a HUGE difference in all of our sports!
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/021011aaa.html
Boiler Up! Hammer Down!
by JuJuan some Moore? on Aug 24, 2011 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
For the football info, I do appreciate it
Off Tackle Empire
The quintessential Big Ten smoking room.
by Graham Filler on Aug 24, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Sooo... this is probably too soon, but
on a scale of 1-100, how bad of an investment was that?
Always check the words with the red squiggly line. They mean you probably screwed up.
by KennardHusker on Aug 24, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
OH SNAP
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 24, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
/Fixed
OH SNAP
- Rob Henry’s ACL, 8/24/2011
In all seriousness, though….this Purdue ACL curse needs to stop. The Boiler players that seem to get hurt are all guys I’ve enjoyed watching play — at least, when they’re not playing my team (Henry just killed Northwestern last year).
by Chadnudj on Aug 24, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Getting Marve (although looking like he won’t be ready to go at the start of the season), Bolden, OJ Ross, and Justin Siller back from injury will be a shot in the arm. These are some of the most talented guys in the program. Offensive line has the most continuity and experience its had in several years. Ricard Allen and Josh Johnson are the best set of corners we’ve had in a long time.
As I said in the previous post, I think the floor is 4 wins and the ceiling is 7. Recruiting has been underwhelming under Hope and is cause for concern. Purdue badly needs a winning season to establish some momentum for the program. If Purdue doesn’t go to a bowl, the empty seats in Ross-Ade could force the AD to make a coaching change.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Honestly...
…1 guy said Purdue would be 1-11, just like one guy (okay, me) said Northwestern would be 11-1.
My recommendation? Treat our predictions like the Olympics — throw out the high score and low score. That should give you a fairly accurate feel for where we think your team will end up.
(Or….just take our total composite. With 11 writers voting, aberrant votes tend to get factored out.)
(Or remember these are predictions, and have absolutely zero bearing on anything regarding your teams’ fortunes this season.)
by Chadnudj on Aug 23, 2011 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
Obviously predictions are worth the internet paper they are typed upon. I think maybe we as a fanbase just suddenly let loose years of pent up bitterness on this blog today. Which, no, is not entirely fair to you guys. You run a tight blog with plenty of yuks and plenty of stats. I think we flipped because, as you pointed out, there has not been a Purdue volunteer to walk the ring into the Off Tackle Empire as it were and therefore the only pieces we get are the ones that are part of your jokey series. So half-baked apology accepted MSUlaxer, and please accept mine. May the Mighty Mustache smile upon you.
It's a trick, get an ax
Kittens aside
These questions are totally legitimate and hard-hitting. If they had been in your closing arguments before it would have made it a solid piece.
As to the questions:
1) Yes absolutely. He only survived last year on a hall pass due to injuries. Many, myself included, were Hope apologists until he lost the Bucket for us. At that point I jumped ship. If he fails again this year then we absolutely either need to actually boiler up and hire a suitable FBS coach or concede as a fanbase that we won’t ever be relevant. Which leads to…
2) Absolutely they did. I grew up on Tiller ball but I have heard the tales of the ages of woe. Purdue fans tasted glory under Tiller and they found it sweet. I don’t think it is necessary for us to concede and say “Oh we used to be horrible so let’s try that again.” I want the university to commit to the football program which also means we fans need to commit with our wallets. There is no reason we shouldn’t be able to go bowling every year and occasionally (every 4-6 years) push for at least a division crown.
3) I can’t say anything other than we are healthy. We lost Kerrigan which can only hurt us I believe. I suppose moving some coordinators around while also having some clarity at the QB position helps things. I also think we have some young leaders, such as Ricardo Allen, who will help us to overachieve this season. These factors don’t lead to a Rose bowl, but hopefully they lead to an at least .500 season.
4) The short answer is, not much. We made the underwhelming hire of Danny Hope three years ago and have followed it with a return to sub-mediocrity. Indiana, and this pains me to type, made a good hire and yes has shown some commitment to their football program. We have actually regressed, I believe, in our commitment to the team. On the other hand, we have made major inroads recruiting in talent and speed rich Florida. If we really want to compete for B1G talent and titles we need to finish the Ross-Ade renovations and if Hope is fired by season’s end then find a FBS coach or coordinator that ,as opposed to having a tangential Purdue connection, has demonstrated success and foresight.
It's a trick, get an ax
IU looks like they made a good hire...
No need to go all lovey and mint your rival’s coach just yet. =)
I've had an absolutely shitty day today
And I open this, and I laugh.
Thanks dude. You have no idea.
Oh, and Purdue fan: 99% of what we do here is smartassery wrapped around jackassery sprinkled in with Tomfoolery. You take us WAY more seriously than we take ourselves. It’s football, have fun with it. When you go 9-3, come over here and tell us how much we all suck. Or do it now, that’s cool.
Just don’t tear your ACL doing so.
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
by Ted Glover on Aug 23, 2011 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I like your smartassery Ted. MSULaxer sprinkles in a little too much dumbassery for my liking.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
by PurdueMatt on Aug 24, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The last question
Somebody in the B1G has to finish at the bottom and with the advent of divisions, that means two schools get to finish in last place. What has Purdue done to change the perception that their football team will be one of them?
Purdue had a bunch of important offensive skill players get hurt last year. Purdue had a better record than one team in the division last year (IU). Unless the Boilers are just as unlucky with injuries this year, Purdue should be better than IU.
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I like this
mostly because it’s just one giant F U
HELP IS ON THE WAY
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by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 24, 2011 12:13 AM CDT reply actions
Compare to IU?
Sure, they have upgraded their High School football field but it is still mediocre at best. Have you seen our football facilities? Read an unbiased view:
http://www.omaha.com/article/20110709/BIGRED/707099842
And speaking of Kiel, so what? We have Appleby as our QB, who btw made the Elite 11 and Kiel did not. I think we will be just fine, we seem to have a knack for developing QB’s anyway. And speaking of recruiting, why don’t you take a look at our recruits and see how many we have landed that had offers from IU and compare the other way. Exactly.
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
Also, FYI
We didn’t start playing football when Tiller came to town. We have had other times in our history where we have been quite successful.
And yes, the most recent success has in fact left a taste in our mouth of winning, and we will be a force to be reckoned with again, most likely this year.
Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!
I don't think he knows about the Mark Hermann years
Or understands just how nationally relevant Purdue was during the Mollenkopf years.
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
Here is a picture of the most famous/infamous person ever photographed in Purdue apparel
even though they are invisible, I’m sure that their knee ligaments are absolutely fucked.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Aug 24, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to be missing your pic
In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.
by Pariahwulfen on Aug 24, 2011 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd still hit it
This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morrisette had a baby and named it "this exact situation"--Sterling Archer
Will Purdue finish 1-11? More than likely not.
If they go 3-1 in non-conference as most expect, they will probably finish at best 5-7.
Then why did you say they would go 1-11?
Ever Grateful. Ever True.
It was supposed to be funny...
…I guess, in a Bleacher Sports sort of way. He pretty much even had a pseudo slide show of pretty rainbows. Now if he could have embedded some audio of Paul Williams Rainbow Connection…
Here's how it went down:
I went through the B1G intra-conference schedule alphabetically and by the time I got to Purdue they had one game left to pick…I didn’t think they would win in Madison so I came up with 0-8.
I then went through the out of conference schedule.
Notre Dame: Loss.
MTSU: I thought a middle of the pack Sunbelt school could probably beat a bad B1G school (Purdue did lose to Toledo last year by 11 at home) especially in an opener with so many questions about the team: Loss
Which left two games to pick. Rice and SEMO. I didn’t think Purdue was an 0-12 horror show.
Rice: Win
SEMO: SEMO is a good I-AA school. They lost twice during the regular season. They made the I-AA playoffs and lost to the eventual I-AA champs. This is not 3-8 (in I-AA) Northern Colorado. A better App State team beat a much better UM at home in 2007. So I came up with a loss.
When I say I could easily see Purdue go 3-1 OOC, I could also easily see them go 1-3. I’m not a Purdue fan so I leaned toward the worst case scenario.
Question: Is 5-7 with wins over a I-AA, Sunbelt, Rice, IU and Minny something to celebrate? At least at 1-11 you’ll know that it’s time to start over.
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