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B1G Quarterbacks 2011, Part Two: Strongest QB Crop In Big Ten History?

We're working with the Marines to preview Big Ten QB's. Today, we look towards conference depth at the signalcaller position and the soon to be controversial Purdue QB situation. Please enjoy, good sirs and ladies.

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IS THIS THE STRONGEST CONTINGENT OF B1G QB'S EVER?

At first glance, I was inclined to say, why yes, yes it is. But then I looked at my ratings below and...I'm not so sure anymore.

NFL Level: Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, Dan Persa

Above-Average College QB's: Nathan Scheelhaase, Denard Robinson, Taylor Martinez

Exciting Yet Unproven: James Vandenberg, MarQueis Gray, the Marve/Henry combo

Mah / Who Knows?: Whoever starts at PSU, Indiana, and OSU

See what I'm saying? I would take last year's combination of Pryor, Tolzien, Stanzi, Robinson, Persa, Cousins, Scheelhaase, Chappell (who was pretty good for being at Indiana), and Weber (who threw a good ball) over the 2011 crop.

And don't tell me this is an irrelevant discussion. B1G football was 300 times more exciting last year because almost every single team featured an effective passing game that they could turn to if the run game was halted. Having an uber accurate slanger like Tolzien opened up lanes for White, Clay, and Ball all year. Remember that MSU comeback at Ryan Field? Only possible with the big arm of Cousins whipping spirals into the wind. Scheelhaase's emergence as a cool and calm leader probably saved Ron Zook's job.

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WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THE PURDUE QB BATTLE?

Sometimes it's good to have a clear cut starter, in fact, it's almost always good to have a clear cut starter. Why? IMO that allows roles to be defined. If someone doesn't know where they stand, it opens up the floodgates for argument and indecisiveness on the field and between coaches. So....I guess we should discuss Purdue's situation first. From BoilerTMill, he of Hammer and Rails fame, comes this analysis -

Our situation boils down to Rob Henry vs. Robert Marve. Henry is, of course, the promising sophomore that showed some growth over the course of the season last year. Marve is the star-crossed guy with a lot of talent, but has one last chance to fulfill it with a twice-repaired knee. Danny Hope has said both will play at times, and he even mentioned Caleb TerBush as a guy that can play.

Technically we have five quarterbacks on the roster with playing time at Purdue and four with starts:

Henry:  Started most of last year. He's a redshirt sophomore.

Marve: Four starts last year and 10 at Miami.

Justin Siller: Three starts at QB in 2008 and one last year where he last one play. He is a wide receiver now, but had some promise as a QB before missing 2009 with an academic suspension and most of 2010 with an injury. he played one play during the Big Ten season last year.

Caleb TerBush: Is a redshirt junior that has one game of experience: mop-up time in a 37-0 loss at Wisconsin in 2009. Missed all of last year due to academics.

Sean Robinson: He's a promising true sophomore that would have redshirted last year, but he had to play (and even start vs. Wisconsin and Illinois) because of injuries to Siller, Marve, and Henry plus TerBush's suspension. He will very likely be #4 this year and redshirt unless he is needed.

I think Henry is the future and will emerge as the starter, but I cannot help but feel for Marve. He is a solid passer and I don't think he was ever truly healthy last season. He will get a shot mostly on potential, but he has played one complete game without injury since 2008 with Miami. That was at Notre Dame last year. He left the Western Illinois and Ball State games with minor injuries last year and re-tore his ACL against Toledo.

Personally, I think we should settle on one guy, be it Henry or Marve. Henry is a great runner and needs to hone his passing game if he is the future, but he took big steps forward last year. Marve has never been able to showcase his talents. he was stuck in a QB rotation at Miami and it looks like he is again here.

If Purdue continues to be Mr. Irrelevant in the B1G race, I'm not sure so many people will give a damn about this intriguing quarterback battle. But if the Boilers can pull an upset or two, this becomes a very interesting position battle.

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look, it's all fun and games until Brian Hoyer is starting for the Patriots

And Wilson is athletic, has a gun, and when he sees the financial stability of holding a clipboard for two years versus playing in the AA farm system…

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by Graham Filler on Aug 3, 2011 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Alright

I’ll buy that for a dollar

by Skerz90 on Aug 3, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

1. These sidebars are awesome

2. Robert Marve will not make it halfway through the season.
3. DO YOU DARE UNDERESTIMATE THE BAUSERMAN?

by mikjones24 on Aug 3, 2011 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

rec

/seesEPICFAILmentioned
//unrecs

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on Aug 3, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I fixed something for you:

“Chappell (who was pretty good for being at Indiana)”

If you think IU football fans are long-suffering, you clearly haven't been tailgating with us lately.

by HoosierCheesehead on Aug 3, 2011 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

NFL Quarterbacks?

I think that we have 5 above average college QBs. I’m not ready to say that anyone is an NFL-caliber QB.

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by Bama Hawkeye on Aug 3, 2011 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty confident Cousins will be gone in the first two rounds

barring some monstrously bad injury.

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by Seer on Aug 3, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Monstrously bad injury?

How could one of those happen?

by mikjones24 on Aug 3, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I dunno..

Cousins projects pretty well for the next level. He’s got the arm, height, and pocket presence. Whether he’ll be a star is another story, but at the very least, he has a shot.

With the #1 overall pick in the Rapture Draft, God chooses the Macho King Randy Savage

by BuckeyeSki on Aug 3, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think Russell Wilson belongs in the second group

His completion percentage and efficiency rating weren’t spectacular at NCSU.

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by PurdueMatt on Aug 3, 2011 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe

but he DID break Andre Woodson’s record for pass attempts without a pick.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair, he did play in the ACC

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 4, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

Did we forget that Nebraska was in the B1G? Kinda hard to forget with all of those national titles hanging over our heads.

by mikjones24 on Aug 3, 2011 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I did notice that

Scheelhaase and shoelace were mentioned in the “above average qbs” and somehow martinez wasn’t, how the hell does scheelhaase get there and martinez isn’t even on the list?!

by Fake Pelini on Aug 3, 2011 9:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haven't even played a conference game yet, and Iowafan is already obsessed with Nebraska.

Yeah, the Huskers are going to fit in just fine here.

Assuming Taylor Martinez is the starter, his performance last year requires placing him into the “exciting yet unproven” category. Exciting for about five games, but the season was fourteen games long.

by jrf2027 on Aug 3, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nebraska's Quarterbacks

Are too awesome to be mentioned.

Same screen name since AOL- 'cause like many Nebraska fans, I'm stuck in the '90s.

by crowe1856 on Aug 3, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Callahan years hit us all hard.
‘cause like many Nebraska fans, I’m stuck in the ’90s.

A couple of my friends, during the last few weeks of the 2007 season, would watch the corresponding game from 1997 instead of the live game that week. It’s funny when you get to outstate Nebraska – some out there insist the years 2004 through 2007 didn’t even exist.

by jrf2027 on Aug 3, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

my bad

got him in there

doesn’t change my thought pattern though

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by Graham Filler on Aug 3, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Adam Weber threw a good deep ball

but couldn’t complete a timing pattern to save his life.

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by Jeffrick on Aug 3, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

We'll see what he does with the Broncos

The silver lining is that his boy Eric Decker can pull balls out of thin air (no pun intended)

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Aug 3, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Weber beats out Tebow within a couple years.

Weber was 2nd team all Big Ten as a soph. Who knows how good he could have been in the same system for 4 years?

Also, cannot underestimate his rapport with Decker. They know each other inside out.

by AhliBobwa on Aug 3, 2011 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far...

…Tebow is frankly a better NFL QB prospect than Weber ever will be. But Weber was not a bad college quarterback by any stretch — he was just horribly miscoached for his entire 4 year career.

by Chadnudj on Aug 4, 2011 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

They know each other inside out.

Gross.

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by PurdueMatt on Aug 4, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Weber was solid on mid range and deep balls.

The only throws he struggled with were short horizontal dump off passes under 10 yards. It was bizarre. A better coach would have realized this and just minimized how often he had to throw those kinds of balls.

by AhliBobwa on Aug 3, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol, what?

A good coach would have taught him to make the throw. You can’t abandon short passes and timing routes. Otherwise the D can just pin their ears back and come at you every time you drop back to pass because they know you won’t be dumping it off.

by GoAUpher on Aug 4, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

So wait.

Purdue, of the we’re engineers and make astronauts mindset, has not one but two potential starting QB’s on their roster who have lost an entire season to academic issues?

Kind of defeats that “we’re smart” meme, huh?

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 3, 2011 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I spoke with a former Purdue student who was there in the early 1990's.

He said that the Whirlpool factory where Purdue students worked (with time blocked out of their class schedules) was one of the centers of social activity. Somehow I didn’t find that surprising.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 3, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

In a related story...

no one has ever accused MSU of being smart.

If by “potential starting QB’s”, you mean 3rd or 4th on the depth chart, then yes – they are potentially starting. With our injury list last season, everybody on the team was potentially starting.

Now, approximately how many engineers and astronauts are on the football team? Right. And yes, we still have plenty of folks in the engineering and aero programs.

Also, I just so happened to have also worked at that ‘factory’ too (was a packaging plant). I can tell you that there was absolutely no social activity at that place. Anyone suggesting to the contrary either had zero life, or is lying.

And last, we’re not pretentious enough to have a “we’re smart” meme. Guessing that belongs to NW

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by sea.of.white on Aug 3, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm using his words.

I guess I missed the huge difference between students (non-engineering, packaging or otherwise) putting appliances in boxes in a plant and students putting appliances in boxes in a factory. He said that when he was employed there (and which helped him to find future employment) there was a lively social scene. Greeks, Independents etc. He said he had a great time.

And yes, PurdueMatt, using a ranking system that most University Presidents and academics loathe, MSU is (was) last in the B1G at 79.

by MSULaxer27 on Aug 3, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good thing Nebraska joined the conference....

so now MSU isn’t last in the US News university rankings.

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by PurdueMatt on Aug 3, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ricky Stanzi says hi.

He’ll get a nice paycheck for holding a clipboard while backing up Matt Cassell in KC.

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by Spartan D on Aug 3, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lord Willie = FAIL

Stanzi leads the pack… but there are others currently getting paychecks from NFL teams.

Adam Weber, Denver Broncos
Scott Tolzien, San Diego Chargers

and SOMEBODY would have picked up Pryor had he been eligible for the supplemental draft.

You fail.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Aug 3, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pryor?

Well, the NFL DID think that VY was a great QB. He “just winz gamez”, after all.

/VY sucks ass in the NFL

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Aug 3, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying Pryor would be a good QB in the NFL

Or even play QB for that matter (he’d do himself well to switch to wideout).

But somebody was going to pick him up, thus he would be a “QB member of the 2010 class getting a paycheck in the NFL”.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Aug 4, 2011 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too many QB's?

Well, we are the “Cradle of QB’s” aren’t we? lol

Maybe we should F’ing just pick one already then. My money is on Henry-he is a Team Captain now, #1 in fall camp and will be our guy. Book it.

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Aug 3, 2011 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh god, not the Book it.

I come from a land down unda

by BoilerRoo on Aug 3, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

PS

I also have a man crush on Dan Persa. Too bad he plays at NU and not PU. Well, he did tear his achilles………that’s sorta like the ACL of the foot. MAN! He’d fit right in at Purdue. How did we miss him as a recruit?

Dosvidaniya, bitches! BTFU!

by BoilerUpAT on Aug 3, 2011 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I see good things for Stanzi and Weber in the NFL

Weber was always good, he just made a terrible, terrible choice by going to Minny. A lot of people like to throw around “Student of the game” for every QB who has a pulse, but Stanzi may actually be one of the few who earned it with the amount of improvement he showed between his junior and senior years.

also, i laughed at Willie’s hilarious failure as a troll.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Aug 4, 2011 11:58 PM CDT reply actions  

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