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Big Red in the B1G Week 4: It's Finally Here! -or- Why There's Nothing Like a B1G Saturday

It is finally here. The week that most Husker fans (and B1G fans in general) have been looking forward to since that fateful day when Jim "CtR" Delany stepped to the podium with Tom Osborne and welcomed Big Red into the family. The day that was circled in red when the schedules were released. The game of the year when the talking heads declared Big Red and Bucky to be favorites to win their divisions. While I am not completely sure all the rest of the B1G 'family members' are going to be nearly as warm and welcoming as Mr. Delany, I still believe everyone is happy to be here. This Saturday's game represents more than position for BCS games, the Division Lead, or Conference Championships, this game represents why Nebraska was asked to join the Big Ten, and why Nebraska said yes. 

While there will be a lot of talk this week about why Nebraska is overrated and Wisconsin will pound them to smithereens because the Wisconsin Offensive Linemen are bigger (Did you know the B1G is BIG?), the Badgers are a more complete team (Bucky destroyed their opponents and Nebraska sucks), and Taylor Martinez is going to be broke into ten pieces (you know, because the B1G is BIG and all... just want to establish that point because obviously Nebraska has never had defensive linemen), I'll save the trash for the comment threads. No, this week it's is all about why the Big Ten is the best conference in the nation, and why Husker fans couldn't be happier to be here.

Star-divide

Throughout the past week there were a lot of articles about conference realignment. The threads were blowing up about who would go where, who needed to go where, and what a fan's particular conference of choice needed to do to stay top dog. Admittedly, I got bogged down in the nitty gritty of it all because I am a Nebraska fan and therefore I am an expert on everything (fans everywhere shake their heads). The one article that struck me as most interesting, however, was one that I had missed altogether. The NY Times, of all people, had an interesting study on fan presence per team. Their College Sports section, The Quad, did research on what teams had the most fans by breaking down a team's market share of College Football fans via Google search data. What they found was interesting:

The Big Ten can afford to be picky. Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State are the three most popular college football teams in the country, according to our study. Seven Big Ten teams, including new addition Nebraska, rank in the top 20 nationally. And all but one Big Ten school is in the top 50, the lone exception being Northwestern, which has the Chicago market and strong academics going for it.

Think about that for a second. Of the Top 20 fanbases nationwide, the B1G has the top three AND has more than half of their teams placed. The vaunted SEC only has four in that space which happens to be the same as the ACC. While fanbases do not always mean ratings, sales, dominance, success, or really anything outside of one blog's pursuit for page hits, it still does shed some light on what makes the B1G so powerful. It is a collection of people that have the same general ideals, the same respect for college football tradition, and extremely strong ties to their teams. 

So why does this matter? Great question. I am so glad you asked. The Cornhuskers live and breathe this stuff. Listen, I know that many of you out here in OTE think Husker fans are arrogant and naive, and to be fair, some deserve that designation. I think it is something deeper than that, though. Nebraska fans assume we are going to win every game we play, we will try to reason and logic our way to the championship, we will make excuses for losses, and make sure you know when you lose. However if you take a step back and look at the big picture, it's generally because we share the same passion you all do. Big Ten fans can reason with anyone and believe their team is one good game away from a streak to the Rose Bowl. In that respect we are a lot alike.  

Even more so, Nebraskans understand tradition and pride. We want to be a part of Jump Around at Camp Randall, we want to see the 'i' get dotted at Ohio State, and we want to know about Kinnick and listen to his Heisman speech over and over because it's just that good. We want to hear the Big Bass Drum at West Lafayette, taste a Big Ass Turkey Leg at Iowa City, and see the Big House in all its glory. As fans of gameday, we want to go to East Lansing and shake hands with Sparty, learn the tailgating traditions at Ryan Field, go see the Bank in downtown Minneapolis, and check out Illinois' version of Memorial Stadium. There is tradition, and then there is the Big Ten. That's why we couldn't be happier to be here. Nebraska fans I know aren't any different than the fans I've met on these boards and in person since we joined up to the Big Ten. There is an understanding that you root for your team, then the conference minus your rival, and then your rival when they play an SEC school, Texas, or USC. Even Minnesota fans get this and are passionate enough to get riled when their chips are down.

Let's all be honest for a second. At this moment, as much as every fan base not named Alabama, Auburn, LSU, or Florida would like to admit, the SEC is dominating the landscape from a competitive stance. We can call it oversigning, paying players, the WWL bias, or a whole slew of other factors, but the fact still remains that they are doing what they do and doing it well. Still, if given the opportunity to choose between the SEC and the B1G, Nebraska fans would always choose the B1G, and it transcends football. While it is hard to describe, it really does just feel like everything is right with the world. From Volleyball to Soccer, academics to administration, and everything in between, Nebraskans will tell you that this just makes sense. It's not that the SEC is a bad conference either. I respect what they do. They are competitive, and arguably as deep in tradition as the Big Ten, but they don't have the same passion that epitomizes the B1G to its core, and at the end of the day, they just don't have the same pride that the Big Ten does. It's more than crazy fans. It's about people who are passionate AND knowledgeable, fired up AND respectful of the game. It's a conference that knows how to support Indiana try to scratch out wins, a conference that rallies behind Jerry Kill, and a conference that understands how to root for Michigan even when they forget how to play defense. It's about Bo, Woody, Paterno, and Fry. It's about Ron Dayne running past defendersCharles Woodson taking it to the house, and Orlando Pace leveling everyone in his way. Husker fans get this, and feed off of it. 

So here's to the B1G kickoff week! I have no idea what will happen on Saturday. My head tells me Wisconsin will win by a lot, but there is something in my gut that says otherwise. The Nebraska faithful will tell you that the Pelini Brothers have a way of playing up (and sometimes down) to competition. Whether it was winning at Okie State and backing that up with a win versus Missouri, or taking Oklahoma to the ropes (and beating them the year before), Nebraska can be good when they understand the weight of the game. There will be a lot of hoopla between now and Saturday, and we all know Corso will be wearing that Badger head while the other guys on the panel laugh hysterically and the fans go crazy (night game in Madison... can we place bets on passed out fans? I'm guessing that number will be higher than normal. Nebraskans can drink and all, but not like the Bucky contingent... I hear they are legendary). Whatever happens, know this, I'm so damn proud to be a Big Ten member, and it's about time we got the real football started. It's good to be a part of B1G Saturdays!

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Illini fans only show up for basketball season. That, and for rallys to support their racist mascot.

by Chadnudj on Sep 27, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Higher attendance so far this season on average for Illinois than just about every game last year for the Wildcats.

And we’re just now entering conference play. Keep looking down at empty seats from your DJ booth.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 27, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question

If Northwestern played (somehow) in the ACC Championship, would the stadium be empty?

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 30, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I'm in no way claiming we have the stadium fanbase similar to that of the upper echelon teams in the conference

but an NU fan calling anyone other than a Hoosier out on attendance is hilarious.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 27, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure you're not an Io_a fan?

NU hears this all the time. It’s deserved to a degree b/c they don’t sellout (not that Illinois does either). NU fans usually counter with the small class sizes, the lack of it being a state school to draw other fans from the state and the fact that many graduates leave the area. However, a team like Illinois talking smack because they are on one of their cyclical upswings with Zook is humorous. They look good so far (minus the Western Michigan game), and are a deserve 7 point favorite this week. But would you really be surprised if NU passed all over you and won? Memorial Stadium is by no means intimidating, even if you do have more fans.

ps. Don’t forget to mock the NU bowl history in response!

by surfmen93 on Sep 27, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

When you're a midget

you shouldn’t make fun of others for being short.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 27, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

You rang?

Iowa replaces the ‘w’ Wizgerald steals with a bowl ‘w’.

"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy

by BentNotBroken on Sep 27, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just as...

…an Illinois fan calling out any other fan for lack of attendance/enthusiasm is hilarious.

Look, I can accept Iowa fans (or really any non-Indiana/Minny fans) making fun of Northwestern for the small attendance— they pack Kinnick week-in and week-out and BHGP is one of the most trafficked websites on all of SB Nation. (Never mind that NU’s student attendance is roughly 70%+ of the entire undergrad population for EVERY game….it’s not our fall we have a small school, but those who come to NU are rabid NU fans)

But for an Illinois fan to talk smack to Northwestern about attendance at football games is a step too far my friend. Stick to basketball, racist mascots, failing to beat NU in consecutive years (or go bowling in consecutive years) under Zook, and your barely active SB Nation website, Illini….

by Chadnudj on Sep 27, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stick to terrible arguments, an inability to ever win a bowl game, and an incredible commitment to not understanding how to properly use an ellipsis.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 27, 2011 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I mean shit, man.

If you want to act higher and mightier, don’t just randomly throw an assortment of dots, varying in number at the end of your sentences. You went to Northwestern, I thought you were supposed to be smarter. Next you’ll be coming back with your herp derp “Illinois fans know how to use the internet?” line. We invented Youtube.

"Many people need desperately to receive this message: 'I feel and think much as you do, care about many of the things you care about, although most people do not care about them. You are not alone.'"

by U-God on Sep 27, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

How exactly is Illinois' mascot racist?

Seriously? Of all the Native American mascots that are/were used by college teams, I think we have to run through 9/10ths of them as being more racist than the rather bland Illinois logo. Unless you’re adopting the zero-tolerance pig-headed NCAA standard whereby any reference to Native Americans is per se racist.

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 28, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chad...

There are times for it. There are times that are not so much for it. This time is one of the latter. Seriously, what gain is there by getting up in arms about it? Do we want to kick the shit out of the Illini? Yeah. Is it a pretty shitty argument by U-God (take note, sir) to bring up attendance? Yeah.

But racist mascot and internet usage? Ugh. You’re better than that.

And U-God, thanks for your grammar critique of Chad. Go find something constructive to do.

by MNWildcat on Sep 28, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't make me break out the actual numbers; I have a lot to do at work today.

Speaking of basketball, my high school graduation was held in Welsh-Ryan Arena. And my high school graduating class wasn’t particularly large. Needless to say, the arena never had more bodies in it the rest of the year.

by I-L-L-matic on Sep 27, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aww!

It’s like we have an actual rivalry! Finally, a fan base other than Iowa that actually gets worked up over Northwestern!

by TDozer on Sep 27, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

This year, particular, I'm feeling the hate.

I think it has a lot to do with the whole “Chicago’s Big Ten Team” snicker and #PersaStrong snicker marketing campaigns. Both are patently absurd, yet you have people in your fanbase (like Chad) taking them seriously and thinking they will work. That, and the Illini may actually be decent for two years in a row…which hasn’t happened in a looong time.

by I-L-L-matic on Sep 27, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, they are working

In that attendance is up significantly, and Northwestern has the highest season ticket holder base it’s had since 1998. Last year saw an increase in attendance per game of 12,000, and even without the Wrigley Field hook, we appear to be on track to match last year’s attendance. The crowd is even starting to look a little more purple.

So, uh, yeah, the marketing campaigns are working. They’re selling tickets. Squeeze 10,000 more casual fans out of a metropolitan area of 9 million, and Ryan Field sells out every game. The geographic appeal makes sense, as does pre-season hype of a really good player.

Now, if you actually thought those campaigns were actually intended to win Dan Persa the Heisman, or to make Northwestern the dominant sports team in Chicago, then I really have to question your Illinois education. (snicker)

by TDozer on Sep 27, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I fully understand what those campaigns were for - raising the profile.

But I sincerely doubt you can attribute increased attendance to what is essentially a sports radio-driven marketing push (the fact that I have to hear everyone on the Score repeating this nonsense ad nauseum drives me fucking insane). I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that the team has been consistently decent in recent years. And the increased flow of hate (on my part at least) has a lot more to do with the fact that I can’t take Northwestern seriously, despite their recent success. You’re still (just) Northwestern. And you stole your Wildcat screech from Penn State.

by I-L-L-matic on Sep 27, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAH.

Calling Illinois as a whole a gentleman’s state…

But yeah, I’ll green your comment about Iowa. Well said.

by MNWildcat on Sep 27, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Cabin Country" is just off the top of this map

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is funny.

"The guts carry the feet, not the feet the guts."
- Cervantes

by crusader34 on Sep 27, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Replace "Fat Hicks"...

… with “Summer Home” or “Door County”, and you’ve got it spot on.

by GTom on Sep 27, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is also factually accurate.

One quibble: Every Chicagoan knows that the South begins south of I-80. The Deep South starts south of I-74. Anyone who has driven through Effingham on I-57 knows this to be true

by I-L-L-matic on Sep 27, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

^Truth

Shit gets real south of I-80…

Shit gets weird south of I-74…

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Sep 28, 2011 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holy Rec.

"GO HAWKS!" - only cure for Hawkeye Envy

by BentNotBroken on Sep 27, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't take credit

Tom Fornelli of CBS did it. It’s unbelievably accurate in my experience with FIBs.

by mikjones24 on Sep 27, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

TAKE BACK YOUR SLANDER SIR

I’ll not have such cheesehead slang directed at my civilized state.

by I-L-L-matic on Sep 27, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, FISHTAB then

"When a guy takes off his coat, he's not going to fight. When a guy takes off his wristwatch, watch out!"
- Al McGuire
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by Warrior Brad on Sep 28, 2011 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Why is everyone rec'ing a perfectly normal map?

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 28, 2011 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know.

They gave me International Student status at Northwestern… This is right, as far as I can tell.

by MNWildcat on Sep 28, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem here is that Chad really believed this
if you actually thought those campaigns were actually intended to win Dan Persa the Heisman

because FITZ SAID SO!!!

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 27, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

I still am pissed about losing to Army and I am hoping the close call with Western keeps Illinois from focusing. Let the battle for the monopoly piece commence.

by surfmen93 on Sep 27, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've got to be kidding me...
That, and for rallys to support their racist mascot.

To think I was going to respond and try to have an actual debate with you about the attendance. You should really drop the “racist mascot” junk…

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Sep 28, 2011 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

The racist comment was unnecessary

As an NU fan, I miss the Chief and I don’t think he was racist. However, there is some good hate going on this year and I don’t remember feeling this in past years. This I like.

by surfmen93 on Sep 28, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I only saw

Him live in person a couple of times but (as if you couldn’t tell from my previous comment) I feel strongly about it…but I digress.

I too like the fact that there is some animosity between NU and UI this year. For all of the recruits that Illinois has been able to get over the past few years NU has been able to keep them in check. I’m thinking (hoping) that last year was a turning point for the Illini in this (recent) series.

I wasn’t sure why at the time (I’ve never really seen NU has a rival despite the trophy, etc.) but I thoroughly enjoyed watching NU get gashed for run after run after run last year.

Semi-bold prediction(s): Illinois runs for 250+ yards
Persa throws for 300+ yards

Illinois: 35 NU: -4 …fine… 24

I can’t wait till Saturday

They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!

by Say Ramrod on Sep 28, 2011 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

Man, great post. Got me fired up.

I love the B1G.

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by Ted Glover on Sep 27, 2011 7:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Well done

and take same dramamine for Saturday night in Madison. When announcers talk about the stadium rocking, Camp Randall, at night, for game 1 v. Nebraska, will be literally, rocking (read this in your best Chris Traeger voice).

by txhawkeye on Sep 27, 2011 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Especially if you're in the upper deck

I saw my first game up there in years last weekend. It didn’t bother me too much but my buddy did not like it one bit. If it was swaying for South Dakota you can bet there will be some motion in the ocean on Saturday night.

by wallrock on Sep 27, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

See you in Madtown, sir.

I look forward to it. And if you happen to pass a blue house on Regent street near the liquor store…yell for Tex. I’ll have a beer ready for you.

by texwestern on Sep 27, 2011 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Small world...

In 2006, I partied in the tailgate lot right next door to your house for the MN/WI game and Brett Favre was handing out Miller Lite. What a great location!

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Though it’s not actually my house, just where I tailgate when I’m back in town for games, which isn’t often enough.

When I was there I lived on Randall Ave, just across from the Open Pantry.

by texwestern on Sep 27, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No shit...

My buddy went to grad school at UW and lived right there, across the street and down a block from the OP, and I knew another MN guy right across the street from him.

Aside from being a Gopher fan and driving the Wisconsin State Patrol Toll Road (I-94), it’s hard to have a bad time in Madison.

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Holy shit Batman

I live across from Open Pantry right now.

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by John Veldhuis on Sep 27, 2011 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

We don't start Big Ten play this week :(

Oh wait, we’re playing… Minnesota? Yeah we don’t start Big Ten play until next week.

by Alex Cook on Sep 27, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Yeah...

…despite any possible issues Michigan’s defense and offense has, Denard Robinson is going to make this game ugly REALLY quick.

by OSUreds on Sep 27, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

…at least it better get ugly really quick. If it doesn’t, then Michigan has a big problem.

by OSUreds on Sep 27, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

1987... Ricky Foggie

I was there. Once in a long while the Jug goes West, usually when it’s least expected.

by surfmen93 on Sep 27, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

But Michigan usually doesn't have a Derp defense and a QB who yells "500"

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Michigan usually doesn't have a Derp defense and a QB who yells "500" before throwing a pass

Reply fail

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we don't have a Derp defense this year

It’s amazing that people are holding onto their preconceived notions contrary to on-field evidence regarding UM’s defense.

by Alex Cook on Sep 27, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I watched the last half of the ND game

I’ll consider it horrible until proven otherwise.

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The other three games proved otherwise

I bet you’d be thrilled with having a horrible unit 25% of the time.

by Alex Cook on Sep 27, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Gophers are playing horribly - duly noted

However, two wins against directional schools and an SDSU team who your coach should know everything about, is not convincing. Showing up and playing defense against a team that has a potent offense would be convincing.

Are you really saying that you feel confident that your defense could carry your offense through the next three games? If Robinson got hurt, just like last year, you’re convinced that the defense could hold Gray under 100 yards, stop Persa and the NW passing attack AND stop Kirk Cousins at MSU?

If so, I’ve got some really great investments to tell you about…

When we get the Pig, the Jug and the Axe, we'll have one hell of a picnic

by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like we can beat Minnesota and Northwestern with our defense

but I don’t even think we’d beat Michigan State at full strength anyways. It’s so funny that people are going from “SDSU has a really potent offense with Hillman and Lindley: they should run all over Michigan” to “oh, SDSU isn’t that good anyways, plus Hoke knows them like the back of his hand” because Michigan shut them down. Western has a pretty solid offense as well.

by Alex Cook on Sep 27, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

From the parts of the game I saw, SDSU moved the ball better than 7 points would normally indicate. There really did seem to be some “foot, meet bullet” moments in that game for the Aztecs. I am still not impressed by that defense.

They should still beat my Goofs

by IronMonkee on Sep 27, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once the game was 21 points in the fourth

they moved the ball. Before the game was out of reach, they totalled 250 yards which is a pretty good defensive performance considering all of the good field position the Aztecs had.

by Alex Cook on Sep 28, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Persa

Minny you could stop. NU with a healthy Persa? We’ll see about that.

by surfmen93 on Sep 28, 2011 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't get how Persa is going from

out to 100% overnight. I guess that’s because I don’t go to Northwestern.

by Alex Cook on Sep 28, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're better than us lowly state school types.

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by U-God on Sep 28, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

There are a few NU folks who prescribe to this view point, but most of us know that the big ten is full of great schools that develops legendary leaders (that was for you Mr Delaney). Usually the only thing we’re envious of is that because of the enrollment numbers the other big ten teams have more fans. Although I question why anyone would want to be a fan of the Illini ;).

by surfmen93 on Sep 28, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually didn't get into Northwestern

so that’s why I say that (and not interviewing/applying late didn’t really help me out, since I already decided on Michigan).

by Alex Cook on Sep 28, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I take pride in NU’s academics, and NU refusing to lower its standards for athletes, but don’t mistake that FOR A MINUTE for disrespecting the excellent academics of the other B1G universities and the commendable job all those schools do (especially in comparison with other conferences) in educating/graduating athletes

by Chadnudj on Sep 28, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

To echo surfmen93 and Chad, I have a ton of respect for Illinois as an academic institution, and for its graduates. My brother holds a masters from UIUC, and the handful of Illinois undergrads and alumni I’ve met in various settings have been phenomenal people.

The NU fans who think they’re “better than us lowly state school types” are called douchebags. If they went to any other school, they’d still be called douchebags, they’d just have something else to be douchebaggy about.

by TDozer on Sep 28, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did I say that?

I didn’t say Persa was 100%, but I could see how you saw that implication. My intent is that NU with Persa will be a tough team to stop because he is so accurate. We saw that most teams could not stop NU with Persa last year, and that’s with no running game to speak of. Michigan has a better defense this year for sure, but it might struggle with teams that have good offenses that have continuity. All indications are the Persa will be able to play and if he returns to form (big if) then Michigan will have it’s hands full. On the flip side, it may be moot b/c Denard could tear NU’s defense up. Regardless, I think it will be a good matchup/game.

by surfmen93 on Sep 28, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Healthy implies 100%

He won’t be fully healthy, and my guess is that he would have been playing if he was close. Even though he’s an accurate passer, he still isn’t going to be 100% throwing the ball either. Michigan will have its hands full with a spread offense and mobile QB regardless, but I think that an average performance from our offense and defense should get us the win.

by Alex Cook on Sep 28, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

All kidding aside

I’m jealous of you as Iowa has the bye this weekend. Probably so they can conserve energy for a 6-4 kind of slogfest the next weekend against Penn State.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 27, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

*ahem*IowarankedhigherthanNebraskainthatfanbasepoll*ahem*

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 27, 2011 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely true

I was surprised by that, but not really. Iowa is a much larger school than Nebraska and a larger state. Omaha may be the biggest Metropolitan area between the two states, but Iowa has the next four or five spots on that list for sure… Still, how cool is it to see the B1G higher than the SEC?

Always check the words with the red squiggly line. They mean you probably screwed up.

by KennardHusker on Sep 27, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Iowa also splits (although not entirely evenly) their state with another school.

Where Iowa gets a boost is from having a huge percentage of their students come from out-of-state, primarily the Chicagoland area (although Minnesotans are well-represented in IC). This is not to argue with your overall premise, just to further shed some light on these numbers. After all, you’re trying to learn about the league.

In fact, part of the University of Illinois’ problem with fan passion (and even on-field performance) is that, for one reason or another, Illinoisans tend to leave the state and spread throughout the conference more than just about any other group. Prairie Staters are well-represented at Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana and even Michigan State. This is probably partially due to a centralized location, greater exposure to many different school by virtue of proximity to the region’s largest city and even a fair amount of selectivity on the part of the UIUC.

Sorry for the tangent.

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by Kyle McCann't on Sep 27, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was listening to UNL's president talk about this on the radio

It’s weird, Iowa is now the model school for Lincoln academically… and for good reason. He discussed the huge attendance numbers from OOS students at Iowa, specifically Illinois, and then juxtaposed it to Lincoln’s poor percentages from OOS students. As of Fall 2011, of 18,394 US based students, 15,260 were from Nebraska. That’s a terrible number. The largest feeder state is actually SD at 414. So yeah, we gotta get better at that. The kicker, however, is that while our University Medical School is rated extremely high, it isn’t tied directly to either of our Universities (UNO or UNL) (sidenote: huge reason we were kicked out of the AAU) and so out of state students are none-to-pumped to go to an undergraduate program that doesn’t have a feeder into grad school. If you look around Nebraska, there is a strong medical/graduate program @ Iowa, KU, and CU… So the normal feeder areas just don’t make it here.

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by KennardHusker on Sep 27, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

My understanding was that the non-affiliated med school

was the reason Nebraska lost AAU status. Sure there were other factors, but pretty much everyone agreed that if UNL had that affiliation they would still be in the AAU.

Part of what Nebraska can’t control from an out-of-state standpoint is that it simply doesn’t border enough large population centers. Iowa is an extremely easy drive from Chicago which is a huge draw for kids from Illinois.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 27, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The other big factor was that the AAU doesn't count research funded by the USDA.

So that pretty much knocked out all of UNL’s agricultural research, which is obviously a major emphasis there.

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by Cornbadger on Sep 27, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a double penalty

Not only is the insufficiently-competitive research money not counted, the faculty performing that research appear as dead weight in terms of research-dollars-per-faculty.

by Albino Tornado on Sep 27, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Creighton's got a good med school, doesn't it?

They’re in Omaha…

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by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yes, but that's kind of irrelevant...

UNMC (University of Nebraska Medical Center) is the med school that is part of the Nebraska University systems. Along with UN-L, UN-O, and UN-K (Central Nebraska), they comprise the major university system. Anyhow, UNMC is rated extremely high in many research domains, and care. In fact, it’s really a gem for our state’s healthcare at large. So that’s not necessarily the problem. The problem is that everyone wants to remain fairly autonomous. Thus, the med center is not part of the flagship school. Compare that to a place like Colorado. The University of Colorado, Boulder actually houses the Med Center, even though I believe much of the school is in Denver, not Boulder. That’s what most schools do, at least that’s my understanding…

As for Creighton, my school, it does have a good med school, but it’s not actually as highly ranked as UNMC (part of that is the catholic part of Creighton. some research is forbidden) and it is much more expensive for students who could otherwise get in-state tuition. Creighton has a very personal experience, or so I’ve heard, but it’s not a better destination. So yeah, it’s a great place to go, but not the premier place (again, in my opinion).

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by KennardHusker on Sep 27, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything about Creighton

A buddy from high school is going/went there, and I knew he was in Omaha, but I wasn’t sure if it was a descent school at all, or what kind of relationship it had with the Nebraska system.

I knew it was private, but those lines are sometimes fuzzy. The Mayo Clinic Med School is a completely separate school from the Minnesota Med School, but they have a very intertwined history and share a lot of resources between each other.

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by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Creighton tries to establish their own identity independent of Nebraska

The state, not just the University of Nebraska system or the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Creighton’s admissions office heavily recruits the suburbs of Kansas City, St. Louis, Milwaukee, the Twin Cities, and Chicago, but really doesn’t try to get students from outstate Nebraska to attend. For example, my hometown is less than two hours from Omaha, and I competed in high school academic competitions at Creighton, but I can never recall a Creighton recruiter coming to our school.

As for the athletic relationship between Creighton and UNL, a few years ago, a Creighton employee sent out one of those feel-good “quiz e-mails” to every employee on campus at the beginning of the college football season. You know, most correct answers are entered for a drawing for something. Problem is, the employee made the questions centered on Nebraska football. While I don’t believe the employee was fired, it did prompt a response from no less than Fr. John Schlegel, then the President of Creighton, about how the University of Nebraska-Lincoln is a separate school and that a quiz sent to Creighton employees should be centered on Creighton athletic events. Sure enough, the next quiz was all about the Creighton soccer team.

As an aside – Creighton has no problem accepting federal government dollars to build parking garages on campus. A few years ago, they received a pretty good hunk o’ pork to put up two parking garages, under the guise that it would “improve access to downtown and the Qwest Center Omaha,” both of which are approximately a mile away. I have never seen either of these garages used for other events.

by jrf2027 on Sep 27, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop being so polite at my attempt to troll you!

I did think that was cool though. alot of the SEC is regional love, not national love. OSU, Michigan and Penn State have deffinatly got national love. Iowa and Wisconsin have large alumni bases around the nation, as well as unconditional love in their respective states, so while it may surprise some that those were above Nebraska and others, i thought it fit since Nebraska isnt nearly as well known today as they were 5 years ago.

the big ten being higher didnt suprise me either. more tradition and more national love, and large alumni bases that move all over the nation. SEC is more of a regional conference than the Big Ten when it comes to fan bases

Is that thing just a football fan thing? because if it was a “all sports” fan thing, i think UNC would be alot higher than 30th. same with teams like Stanford and pac 12 teams.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 27, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, im hopeful that Nebraska gets their academics together

and rejoins the AAU, if for no other reason than because the big ten wants them to.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 27, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Being a member of the Big Ten, I'm not sure the AAU really matters anymore

If I understand the function of the AAU correctly, it seems more politically driven than anything, in the sense that they’re lobbying for the research and academics interests and funding for the members. Considering Nebraska drags home tons of USDA research – which is a boon for the state of Nebraska – I’m not sure AAU membership really holds any significance, except in name

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by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That "study"

Also claimed that Georgia Tech has more fans than Georgia and Auburn more fans than Alabama. It must be taken with a large grain of salt

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by Warrior Brad on Sep 27, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very good opening weekend the B1G coming up.

It will be nice to not have the media slobbering (as much) over the SEC games for one week. Wisconsin probably has to be the favorite this weekend: at Camp Randall, explosive offense, and a solid defense with a couple legitimate question marks. Nebraska may or may not be able to stop the offense with a talented defense that seemed to underachieve so far. They have a great running QB who can make plays on the ground, which could certainly be a problem for Wisconsin. But can anyone trust Taylor Martinez to have a great game passing? That is a must if Nebraska wants to win this weekend.

Honestly, I think there is a very good chance MSU/OSU will be closer than the final score for Nebraska/Wisconsin. Before last weekend, I would have thought OSU would have little chance to beat Sparty. But Miller’s encouraging performance and overall solid play last weekend were very encouraging. Of course, you can’t take too much from that: they played Colorado. I think MSU is still the favorite, but I feel a lot better about this game than I did a week ago.

by OSUreds on Sep 27, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks!

First off, no, no one can trust T-Mart throwing. However, he has a way of surprising people. If you watch tape of the Nebraska-Texas game, it wasn’t Martinez’ fault we lost. He dropped pass after pass into receivers and backs hands, and they dropped every one of them. I really do believe in this year’s crop of wideouts, and think they will challenge DBs if teams put 8 in the box. Still, Wisconsin deserves to be favored and should win this weekend. I have hope, but don’t expect too much. (caveat being if Nebraska manages to get their run game going… that can really change the game completely. I just hope we are down only seven at half. We can make it a really fun ride if that happens)

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by KennardHusker on Sep 27, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great article

As a Purdue fan, I was super excited to hear about Big Red joining the conference. When I heard that maybe Rutgers or Pitt would join, I just didn’t feel they had the same Mid-Western feel. Should be a great game. Too bad the Boilers got the shaft and don’t play Nebraska for a couple years. At least you will get to come to Mackey and see how that compares to playing bball at Kansas. Good Luck.

by bocktown on Sep 27, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a fellow Purdue fan

I’m actually quite glad we don’t have to play Nebraska while Danny Hope is our coach

by chops1221 on Sep 28, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the big thing might just be turnovers...

…if we could somehow scrape together a few of them (and avoid them ourselves) we can win. Perhaps the key is turning loose Eric Martin on Russell Wilson. I think we will need three or more turnovers, though, which will be tough. I figure that number is a must, considering the way our secondary is playing. It would help if, this time, guys like Austin Cassidy actually catch deflected passes that hit them right in their hands.

I don’t expect them to win on Saturday, but they’ve surprised me before. I think Pelini lives to draw up game plans for match-ups like this one. And his teams show toughness on the road. They will need it.

Great article about the B1G. As we know, it is a tradition-rich conference filled with awesome teams and passionate fan bases. Comparing our new neighborhood to our new digs is like lining up a Porsche next to a Yugo. Give me Camp Randall, the Big House, the Horseshoe, Kinnick Stadium, the Galloping Ghost, Strike Your Gait and Win, Purdue Pete and the drum, and Victory for MSU! We are finally where we belong!

by HailVarsity on Sep 27, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's cute that you feel that Nebraska has a chance.

I almost feel as if Wisconsin will be metaphorically stomping a kitty to death in front of a seven year old girl tonight, when I consider what they’re going to do to this illusion.

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by Bob Genghiskhan on Oct 1, 2011 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome Big Red

Excellent article, and we’re glad to have you. Nebraska was a home run and I have been impressed with the fans since they joined.

by surfmen93 on Sep 27, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

We've all been waiting for this.

Welcome and good luck. Except when you play Iowa.

Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.

by Kyle McCann't on Sep 27, 2011 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

hah
can we place bets on passed out fans?

Yes. Please do so with sharpies. As the gentlemen on Langdon Street might tell you, If they’re wearing their shoes, do as you choose.

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by Marshmoose on Sep 27, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Good thing about B1G play

Gophers start losing to teams they’re actually supposed to lose to

Hmmm.....needz moar winz

by NorthernStar on Sep 27, 2011 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Not excited for Penn State and Indiana?

We want to be a part of Jump Around at Camp Randall, we want to see the ‘i’ get dotted at Ohio State, and we want to know about Kinnick and listen to his Heisman speech over and over because it’s just that good. We want to hear the Big Bass Drum at West Lafayette, taste a Big Ass Turkey Leg at Iowa City, and see the Big House in all its glory. As fans of gameday, we want to go to East Lansing and shake hands with Sparty, learn the tailgating traditions at Ryan Field, go see the Bank in downtown Minneapolis, and check out Illinois’ version of Memorial Stadium.

Every team but Penn State and Indiana mentioned in the list of mighty B1G traditions. I can see Indiana being off the Nebraska radar, and I understand Iowa being mentioned twice – Nebraska is mighty excited about warring with their neighbor. But I’m a little baffled by the lack of excitement over the new protected cross-division game with Penn State. Ironically, the protected game is partly borne of PSU and UNL being the two newcomers to the conference. They should battle for the “Expansion Trophy,” or to be more B1G about it, “Ye Olde Expansion Canoe Paddle and/or Mason Jar.” But I noticed this same off-the-radar attitude among writers at Corn Nation re: Penn State. PSU is one of the top three most searched for college football programs on the webz, but can’t crack the top nine in the minds of Nebraska fans for new conference opponents? Even though we split a home-and-home in 2002 and 2003?

Excellent. That just means more sweet, sweet hate come November.

by PSUCharmas on Sep 27, 2011 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Big Red sucker punch - and you fell for it

You are now such hated rivals that it’s a protected rivalry. Big Red’s hate already runs so deep they don’t even mention you in the B1G tradition. The deftly placed leave off of Indiana completes the ruse. And you and your white out loving fans (there’s your hat tip) fell for it.

by surfmen93 on Sep 27, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glorious!!!

Big Red brings so many layers of perfectly calculated hate and deception, it leaves B1G fan bases baffled and whimpering weeks away from Nebraska’s inevitable mercy killing.

by PSUCharmas on Sep 27, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Husker fan, I am required to make passive aggressive swipes at PSU as often as possible

Yeah, so take that Nittany Lions!

Seriously, though, I really had a mention of the Shoe, the Big House, and Beaver Stadium (the name I can never remember… why is it a beaver? It makes no sense to me.) as the Colosseums of the B1G, but somehow it didn’t fit and I forgot to rework it in. It was late and I wanted to sleep. As for the Indiana miss? Well, they lost to North Texas and are probably less aware of Nebraska football than anyone.

Regarding a trophy game, I’m not even down with a trophy for the Iowa game… Let’s just play as crossover rivals for now and see what happens. Maybe we can go steal something from your campus and make that a travelling trophy. Anything manufactured turns into the Land Grant Trophy or the CyHawk Trophy… Corporate mandated solutions suck.

I am personally very excited to renew our series with Penn State, but let’s remember the last times we played. Nebraska got rolled in Happy Valley, and then we won the most awful game ever in Lincoln. I think those memories are not helping. Still, it should be a lot of fun this year. When I did predictions, I have Nebraska losing to Penn State and Wisconsin. If you don’t find a QB, I’m not sure that stays valid, but that’s a crazy environment you all got. I’d love to make it out there for the game, but I’m not exactly rich… so yeah.

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by KennardHusker on Sep 27, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beaver Stadium

Named for a former Pennsylvania governor and Penn State University president. Here’s some B1G lore for you, Penn State style. Penn State is ironically known as the only school with a football field named for a University president but a library named for the football coach.

Yep, Paterno Library. I used to work next door in the older Pattee Library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Beaver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_State_University_Libraries

by PSUCharmas on Sep 27, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting...

See, I learn something new every day! I really thought that you all just had an affinity for wooded creatures…

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by KennardHusker on Sep 27, 2011 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

And here I thought,,.

… its was named for all the drunk coeds at the tailgating paties!

by St8rBoiInMN on Sep 27, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously that's what most PSU people think, too

And it’s seemingly a more appropriate name on any given fall Saturday.

In fact, the next street downtown after College Avenue is Beaver Avenue, which due to the high-rise apartments that line both sides of the street, is commonly called “Beaver Canyon.” Every Saturday night of the school year, that road lives up to its suggestive name.

by PSUCharmas on Sep 28, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is a problem with the video...

Indiana players are actually making tackles here. As Ekeler pointed out earlier, that’s kind of been a secondary concern for them.

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by KennardHusker on Sep 27, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Woop, forgot to say this was a great article

major props to you Husker.

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by justsomehawkeyefan on Sep 27, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I concur.

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by BentNotBroken on Sep 27, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

awesome post

Perfect timing too, so fired up for big ten play this weekend!

by alvion on Sep 27, 2011 10:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Being in the B1G

 is awesome! It’s like this huge family where all the brothers basically argue and beat up each other. But cheer on same brothers when they go out of conference head hunting

by Omahusker on Sep 28, 2011 3:10 AM CDT reply actions  

This is absolute crap.
…but they [SEC] don’t have the same passion that epitomizes the B1G to its core, and at the end of the day, they just don’t have the same pride that the Big Ten does. It’s more than crazy fans. It’s about people who are passionate AND knowledgeable, fired up AND respectful of the game.

If you could, in some imaginary fairy tale land, quantify nebulous buzzwords and phrases like “passion” and “pride” and “respectful of the game,” whatever the hell that means, I’m fairly certain the SEC would do just fine.

I’d be very interested to see how you would support your claim that the SEC is a bunch of unknowledgeable, disrespectful, passionless (!) fans.

I’m glad that my conference doesn’t have to invent self-mythologizing horse**** to feel superior. I can just look at the scoreboard.

Also, that fan survey you cited is an awful turd of a study that shames an institution like the NYT by its very presence. As someone who spends an inordinate amount of time writing scientific papers, it makes me very sad to see people believe something as idiotically organized as that. There is no way on this or any other Earth that Georgia Tech has more fans than Georgia, and I say that as Gator fan.

Because if it's about Brantley going in the ocean, the answer is "No."

by Troll2Troll on Sep 28, 2011 3:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I have to concur with...

your reaction to the sentiment quoted in gray. And yes, this “study” is not to be taken seriously as a scientific endeavor.

In KennardHusker’s defense, we Husker fans are prone to gushing – either about our own team or our own conference – when times are good. We’re also notoriously quick (I think) to shout for the guillotine when the team underperforms.

Forgive us, we’re still on our honeymoon.

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by crusader34 on Sep 28, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never question a southerner's pride. Ever.

As a midwesterner living in NC, I wondered how long it’d take for someone to bite on that line. From Civil War recreationists to SEC Supremacists to Charlie Daniels fans (South’s Gonna Do It Again), I’ve never met a people more proud of being proud. Ironic considering it’s the Bible Belt and pride is one of the deadly sins. I’m not sure where the bible stands on jorts and tree poisoning.

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by crowe1856 on Sep 28, 2011 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see that someone has never met an Aggie...
I’ve never met a people more proud of being proud.

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by Warrior Brad on Sep 28, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait 'til next year

Aggie Pride + SEC Pride = ego explosion of near Longhorn proportions

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by crowe1856 on Sep 28, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here there

Let’s not get carried away now

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by Warrior Brad on Sep 28, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, when you've got so little in which you can actually demonstrate pride, you tend to overcompensate somehow.

The South has chosen to play up its own quaint little traditions. Fortunately, now that’s more about football and less about virulent racism, so things are getting better in the 11 state barnacle on the Union that is the south.

Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, OK U!

Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, OK U!

I’m a Sooner born and Sooner bred and when I die, I’ll be Sooner dead
Rah Oklahoma, Rah Oklahoma Rah Oklahoma, OK U!

by Bob Genghiskhan on Oct 1, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Listen, you missed the entire point if that's what you latched on to

Did I say that the SEC doesn’t have pride? Nope. Did I say the SEC was a bad conference? Nope. I actually said:

It’s not that the SEC is a bad conference either. I respect what they do. They are competitive, and arguably as deep in tradition as the Big Ten
I didn’t ever call anyone unknowledgeable, passionless, or disrespectful. Way to be another trolling SEC fan who can’t get past the notion that Nebraska would be happier in the B1G than the SEC. Look, I’m more than impressed with the SEC and their fans. When you all roll through Omaha during baseball season, you do a great job and are LSU fans are the best in the business. Still, for the sake of argument, there is something different about B1G fans that I have found refreshing. Don’t take it personal. It really wasn’t meant as a broad swipe, just a little one. Also, I did write this:
While fanbases do not always mean ratings, sales, dominance, success, or really anything outside of one blog’s pursuit for page hits
So yeah, I get the study by the NYT was flawed at best. It’ll be okay. The SEC is still king from a competitive standpoint. I’m just happy we are where we are.

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by KennardHusker on Sep 28, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not surprised by the results of this study... It seems pretty accurate.

The two outliers seem to be Georgia Tech and Auburn.

Possible Explanation for Georgia Tech: Alumni are slightly wealthier and more spread out. Also, Georgia Tech received much more national exposure throughout its history thanks to having regular rivalry games with Notre Dame. Also, GaTech’s last national title was in 1990, Georgia’s was in 1980. GaTech claims 4 National Titles, Georgia Claims 2. Georgia has also historically been better in basketball, MUCH better in the past 30 years. Surely this would translate into some additional football fans.

Possible Explanation for Auburn: Auburn has had more success in the past 20 years than Alabama. Auburn has won 7 of the last 9 Iron Bowls. Auburn has had two undefeated seasons this decade, Alabama only has one. Both have a National Title and a Hesiman Winner, but I think Cam definitely got more national exposure and had more “swag” than Ingram. Also, I’m sure a lot of “contrarian” fans jumped on the Auburn train after the ’04 season after they got hosed.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Sep 28, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

John Heisman was the man who built GaTech football. How’s that for tradition?

And about half the population of Georgia lives within 15 miles of Atlanta.

And for years Georgia Tech was traveling all up and down the east coast and playing nationally televised games against Notre Dame while Georgia rarely left the South.

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Sep 28, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I live in the South

Given the general attitude that many Southerners I interact with daily have that they invented college football, the point may be a bit more accurate than you would like to believe

I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.

by HoyaGoon on Sep 28, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is...

pride in being a southerner any worse than pride in being a midwesterner (aside from the inevitable jokes about northern cultural superiority, which would only further illustrate the point)?

I too am a midwesterner living in the South, first for five years in Virginia and now in Maryland. I’m proud of where I’m from; Marylanders, Mississippians and Floridians are just as entitled to that sentiment.

Would I rather be affiliated with the Big Ten than with the SEC? No question. But Troll2Troll’s gripe here is totally legitimate.

"The guts carry the feet, not the feet the guts."
- Cervantes

by crusader34 on Sep 28, 2011 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I disagree

Troll2Troll can celebrate his southern pride on his southern blog with his prideful southern friends. What’s loathsome is him going out of his way to tell Big Ten fans on a Big Ten blog that they’re living “in some imaginary fairy tale land” where there’s something special – something to be proud of – associated with the Big Ten. Because whatever it is that KennardHusker thinks is a special quality of Big Ten fans and Big Ten football is merely “self-mythologizing horse****”

by PSUCharmas on Sep 28, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, Mississippians and Floridians are not as entitled to that sentiment.

Pride should be based in accomplishment if it is to be legitimate.having marginally lower child mortality and illiteracy rates than Haiti or Arkansas is not an accomplishment; it’s a bare minimum requirement to avoid having the UN step in and dispense aid to your blighted hellhole of a home region.

Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner
Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, Boomer Sooner, OK U!

Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma
Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, OK U!

I’m a Sooner born and Sooner bred and when I die, I’ll be Sooner dead
Rah Oklahoma, Rah Oklahoma Rah Oklahoma, OK U!

by Bob Genghiskhan on Oct 1, 2011 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok,

granted. It’s a Big Ten board. That fact momentarily suspended, I think his point is valid.

I’m overjoyed to be in the best conference in the country. I hope we don’t get killed by its best team this Saturday.

GBR!

"The guts carry the feet, not the feet the guts."
- Cervantes

by crusader34 on Sep 28, 2011 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

crap.

I cannot seem to remember to “reply” rather than just re-post.

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- Cervantes

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